Re: Rohane McCarthy <<<Terrance, Rohane is, what we call here, just a Branch-name of the McCarthys ---- such as McCarthy(Strock), McCarthy(Bawnee). I have sent my research work, in which you can find the answers to all those questions, on to the huge N.E.H.G.S. Library in Boston. ----- Riobard. >>>> Explaining the custom is precisely what I needed. ..... I think you once wrote something to the effect that inquiring about a McCarthy or a Sullivan from Castletownbere would, in a sense, asking about a Sullivan or McCarthy in New York. I understood the concept that Castletownbere could refer to anywhere on the Beara, but had not thought about the need for various branches... so, thank you for that explanayion. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 84 Today's Topics: 1. Re: new McCarthy Beara query (Riobard O' Dwyer) 2. Re: new McCarthy Beara query (Riobard O' Dwyer) 3. Re: BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 (terrance) 4. Butte visitors. (Riobard O' Dwyer) 5. Re: BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 (Riobard O' Dwyer) 6. Re: Butte visitors. (Dianna Porter) 7. Re: Two more stories. (Riobard O' Dwyer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:19:27 +0000 From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 In answer to Terrance's question: "Is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane ?" The answer is "No". Tradition has it that this section of McCarthys in Beara came originally from the district of Carrigrohane, which is very close to Cork City. The surname McCarthy in Gaelic, Mac Carthaigh, means son of Carthach {Mac in Gaelic means SON]. Carthach, from whom the name originated, was King of Cashel [Co. Tipperary] around 1040 A.D. ----- Riobard. On 23 March 2013 01:25, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is very > puzzling: > see page 1145 volume II > MCCARTHY (WEAVER) > > (BALLYCROVANE) > > Back in the 1840?s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy > Rohane. Denis went ?cliamhain isteach? to a small part of the Hanley farm > when he married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. > Timothy Rohane married Catherine O?Sullivan. They were parents of Denny > (the Weaver) McCarthy. > > > > The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of Timothy > Rohane and Catherine O?Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? > > > > > > GRMMA, > > > > Terrance O?Dwyer > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:31:15 +0000 From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Terrance, I haven't seen any other question. The O'Dwyers are mighty people for asking questions !! ----- Riobard. On 23 March 2013 12:19, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: > In answer to Terrance's question: "Is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane ?" > The > answer is "No". Tradition has it that this section of McCarthys in Beara > came originally from the district of Carrigrohane, which is very close to > Cork City. The surname McCarthy in Gaelic, Mac Carthaigh, means son of > Carthach {Mac in Gaelic means SON]. Carthach, from whom the name > originated, was King of Cashel [Co. Tipperary] around 1040 A.D. > ----- Riobard. > > On 23 March 2013 01:25, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is very > > puzzling: > > see page 1145 volume II > > MCCARTHY (WEAVER) > > > > (BALLYCROVANE) > > > > Back in the 1840?s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy > > Rohane. Denis went ?cliamhain isteach? to a small part of the Hanley > > farm > > when he married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. > > Timothy Rohane married Catherine O?Sullivan. They were parents of Denny > > (the Weaver) McCarthy. > > > > > > > > The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of > Timothy > > Rohane and Catherine O?Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? > > > > > > > > > > > > GRMMA, > > > > > > > > Terrance O?Dwyer > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 09:42:15 -0500 From: "terrance" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original This is fascinating, and consequently, the mighty questions continue: So, is it correct to conclude that the name Rohane presumes McCarthy? .... in some sense, was this like the adding or dropping the O', as in Dwyer & O'Dwyer? And, might other names have used Rohane? Might Murphy or Sullivan. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 Today's Topics: 1. new McCarthy Beara query (terrance) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 20:25:35 -0500 From: "terrance" <[email protected]> Subject: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query To: "Beara" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is very puzzling: see page 1145 volume II MCCARTHY (WEAVER) (BALLYCROVANE) Back in the 1840?s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy Rohane. Denis went ?cliamhain isteach? to a small part of the Hanley farm when he married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. Timothy Rohane married Catherine O?Sullivan. They were parents of Denny (the Weaver) McCarthy. The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of Timothy Rohane and Catherine O?Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? GRMMA, Terrance O?Dwyer ------------------------------ To contact the BEARA list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the BEARA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 ************************************ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:38:39 +0000 From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> Subject: [BEARA] Butte visitors. To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 *In middle of "spilling" rain, a party of 6 lovely people from Butte, Montana, led by Jim Barry, arrived at my door yesterday evening. As usual, I invited them in with a heart and a half. They were there to meet me. I hope that good people mightn't get the impression from all my research that I am a first cousin to Our Lord !!. Anyhow, we had a great evening. Being from Butte, there always is a particular welcome for visitors from that part of Montana to which many, many, many, workers from most parts of Bearawho worked in the copper mines in Allihies emigrated when work here in the local copper mines slackened off. Many of those miners used bring some earth from Beara to the mines of Butte in case they would never again see Beara. and the earth would be placed on their graves in memory of our Peninsula from which they came. After giving them a cead mile failte (= a hundred thousand welcomes) in Beara style, we all sat down to a most interesting evening's entertainment. I remember many of the people from Butte, while I was there, meeting such as Fr. Sarsfield O'Sullivan and his sister Vernie, John "the Yank" Harrington, Tom Mulcahy, Nealie Healy (from Barrakilla, Ardgroom) and his wife, Tracey Thornton, Ellen Crain, and many other fine helpful people who couldn't have been nicer to Joan and myself. I was in Butte many years ago making, with Fr. Sars, the Film "From Beara to Butte" about the copper miners who emigrated to Butte from Beara. I told them --- Jim and the people who were with him --- about the evening when I had a great session with "the Yank" (who lived to be over 100) playing his single-row melodion and me with my accordion ---- the two of us lifting the roof with jigs, reels and hornpipes; the story of when I was walking down a street in Butte when a man came up to me and asked "Are you the guy who was in the newspaper yesterday ?" "How do you know ?" says I. "Well" says he,"the map of Ireland is written all over your face !!"; and about the day "the Yank" & I were playing our Irish music on the aeroplane terrace in Butte. A big c rowd were around us. An air hostess must have heard us, because, when I got on the aeroplane to travel on, she asked me if I would play my accordion for the passengers, so, on the flight, my accordion was taken out and I entertained the passengers with plenty traditional Irish music all the way from Butte to Salt Lake City. I told them then about the Siege of the oldCastle in Dunboy near Castletownbere wh ich was destroyed when an English army of a few thousand men attacked the garrison of 143 in the Castle in the year 1601. I showed them a cannon ball which was dug from the ruins of the Castle by a Cork archaeologist some years ago when he was excavating. And then. of course, I took out my accordion and played some lively Irish traditional music for them. After about an hour enjoying themselves with us, I told them about the museum further west in Allihies (to which they headed) which shows many things associated with the local copper mines and the miners who later emigrated to Butte. They also spent a most interesting hour there as well. Despite the lashing rain, they headed back to Killarney waving heartily to Joan and myself standing in our door and sprinkling a drop of Holy water after them for a safe journey. ---- Riobard. * ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:55:31 +0000 From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Terrance, Rohane is, what we call here, just a Branch-name of the McCarthys ---- such as McCarthy(Strock), McCarthy(Bawnee). I have sent my research work, in which you can find the answers to all those questions, on to the huge N.E.H.G.S. Library in Boston. ----- Riobard. On 23 March 2013 14:42, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > This is fascinating, and consequently, the mighty questions continue: So, > is it correct to conclude that the name Rohane presumes McCarthy? .... in > some sense, was this like the adding or dropping the O', as in Dwyer & > O'Dwyer? And, might other names have used Rohane? Might Murphy or > Sullivan. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:00 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. new McCarthy Beara query (terrance) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 20:25:35 -0500 > From: "terrance" <[email protected]> > Subject: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query > To: "Beara" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is very > puzzling: > see page 1145 volume II > MCCARTHY (WEAVER) > > (BALLYCROVANE) > > Back in the 1840?s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy > Rohane. > Denis went ?cliamhain isteach? to a small part of the Hanley farm when he > married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. Timothy > Rohane married Catherine O?Sullivan. They were parents of Denny (the > Weaver) > McCarthy. > > > > The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of Timothy > Rohane and Catherine O?Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? > > > > > > GRMMA, > > > > Terrance O?Dwyer > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the BEARA list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the BEARA mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 > ************************************ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 09:41:46 -0600 From: Dianna Porter <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Butte visitors. To: beara riobard <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am sure one of their favorite memories when they return will be of spending time with you and Joan. I know that is how it is with our family members who have met you. You and Joan are family treasures for many of us. Dianna PorterButte > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:38:39 +0000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BEARA] Butte visitors. > > *In middle of "spilling" rain, a party of 6 lovely people from Butte, > Montana, led by Jim Barry, arrived at my door yesterday evening. As usual, > I invited them in with a heart and a half. They were there to meet me. I > hope that good people mightn't get the impression from all my research > that > I am a first cousin to Our Lord !!. Anyhow, we had a great evening. Being > from Butte, there always is a particular welcome for visitors from that > part of Montana to which many, many, many, workers from most parts of > Bearawho worked in the copper > mines in Allihies emigrated when work here in the local copper mines > slackened off. Many of those miners used bring some earth from Beara to > the > mines of Butte in case they would never again see Beara. and the earth > would be placed on their graves in memory of our Peninsula from which they > came. After giving them a cead mile failte (= a hundred thousand welcomes) > in Beara style, we all sat down to a most interesting evening's > entertainment. > I remember many of the people from Butte, while I was there, meeting such > as Fr. Sarsfield O'Sullivan and his sister Vernie, John "the Yank" > Harrington, Tom Mulcahy, Nealie Healy (from Barrakilla, Ardgroom) and his > wife, Tracey Thornton, Ellen Crain, and many other fine helpful people who > couldn't have been nicer to Joan and myself. I was in Butte many years ago > making, with Fr. Sars, the Film "From Beara to Butte" about the copper > miners who emigrated to Butte from Beara. I told them --- Jim and the > people who were with him --- about the evening when I had a great session > with "the Yank" (who lived to be over 100) playing his single-row melodion > and me with my accordion ---- the two of us lifting the roof with jigs, > reels and hornpipes; the story of when I was walking down a street in > Butte > when a man came up to me and asked "Are you the guy who was in the > newspaper yesterday ?" "How do you know ?" says I. "Well" says he,"the map > of Ireland is written all over your face !!"; and about the day "the Yank" > & I were playing our Irish music on the aeroplane terrace in Butte. A big > c > rowd were around us. An air hostess must have heard us, because, when I > got > on the aeroplane to travel on, she asked me if I would play my accordion > for the passengers, so, on the flight, my accordion was taken out and I > entertained the passengers with plenty traditional Irish music all the way > from Butte to Salt Lake City. I told them then about the Siege of the > oldCastle in Dunboy near Castletownbere wh > ich was destroyed when an English army of a few thousand men attacked the > garrison of 143 in the Castle in the year 1601. I showed them a cannon > ball > which was dug from the ruins of the Castle by a Cork archaeologist some > years ago when he was excavating. And then. of course, I took out my > accordion and played some lively Irish traditional music for them. After > about an hour enjoying themselves with us, I told them about the museum > further west in Allihies (to which they headed) which shows many things > associated with the local copper mines and the miners who later emigrated > to Butte. They also spent a most interesting hour there as well. Despite > the lashing rain, they headed back to Killarney waving heartily to Joan > and > myself standing in our door and sprinkling a drop of Holy water after them > for a safe journey. > ---- Riobard. > * > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 18:52:49 +0000 From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Two more stories. To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 23 March 2013 18:50, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: > *Joan's uncle Dan in Butte was a bit of a character. He was a Copper > Miner there. One time, when he had gathered a few dollars, he decided to > bring a few of his relatives out for a meal in a local restaurant. They > had got about half-way in the meal when Dan felt that the food he was > getting wasn't up to standard. So, up he got and ordered his relatives > out of the restaurant. Dan was the last heading out the door when the > owner, who saw this happening, jumped off the stairs and landed on Dan's > back. After a bit of a tussle, Dan escaped without paying for the "grub". > Times were tough in Butte those days, but Dan was well-able to look after > himself.* > *Now, on to Co. Tipperary. One of my grandsons, Dannie, aged just* *5 > years of age, was in a school play*.* In it were other boys of the same > age.* *They were acting God, Our Lord, and the 12 Apostles*. *Dannie got > the part of God, and another lad from the same area got the part of Our > Lord.* *Everything was going fine, until, half-way through,* *"God", who > was up later than usual the night before, taken up with practicing his > part > in the play, started to fall asleep. Looking up, "Our Lord" spotted "God" > falling asleep. "Will you wake up out of that, boy"* *shouted "Our Lord" > at "God" who, I'm telling you, woke up fairly fast.* *There is no doubt > about it but "Our Lord" keeps "God" on his toes up in Tipperary !!* > *----- Riobard.* > > > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------ To contact the BEARA list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the BEARA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 84 ************************************