Dear Kathleen, Crohur (Cruhuur phonetically) or Conchubhar is the more modern version of Cornelius. Cud (Cuud phonetically) is a very ancient Gaeilge/Irish form of Cornelius. ---- Riobard. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen O'Brien Blair" <ktho@comcast.net> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Murphy. > Dear Riobard: > > Is CUDEEN the phonetic spelling or the Gaeilge spelling? I can't find it > in > my little Irish dictionary, but if it's older Gaeilge (pre '48) that's > probably why. What is the old word for Cornelius? It might help me tracing > my Cornelius O'Brien if I know what to look for on the census records > here. > > My g-grandfather Cornelius O'Brien is the lynchpin in our immigrant trace > back to Ireland. Aunt Ruth McArdle said he was born in 1850 either in Cork > or in the Bronx. My father (Edwin O'Brien) said, his father (Edward > O'Brien) > told him that they'd come from Clare (either Miltown-Malbay, Ennis, or > somewhere around O'Briensbridge), not Cork. The problem was that Edward's > father Cornelius died in some kind of a cave-in accident when Edward was > very young, and, so, that was why the uncertainty as to more exact > origins, > or even the name of Cornelius' father and mother. Either that, or the > obscurity was part of the assimilation process. > > If I assume that Con's parents may have caught the boat to emigrate from > Cobh, Cork, that means they would have had to have left before 1849, when > it > was re-named Queenstown. I suppose it is possible that if the re-naming > happened at mid-year of 1849, they might have left in 1849 just prior to > that event. In any case, he would have had to have been born in port just > before they left if indeed he was born there, and not in Westchester after > they arrived. > > Adding to the mystery is the face that the Bronx weren't in 1850 - it was > West Farms or Westchester Farms, in Westchester County. However, the work > for the new Croton Aqueduct was completed in 1842, but connecting sewers > systems were still being built in the 1850's, so an immigrant laborer > might > get work either on the farms in Westchester or on the sewer projects, > which > would explain how they located there, and not in Manhattan. It would also > explain how Cornelius could have been killed in a cave-in if he was part > of > a digging crew. > > Needles in haystacks - that's my middle name :) > > Best Regards, > > Kathleen O'Brien Blair > McMinnville, Oregon > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Riobard O'Dwyer > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:29 AM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BEARA] Murphy. > > There are many branch-names of Murphys. BAWN = fair-haired. > CUDEEN comes from an old Gaelic name for Cornelius. MAHEESH comes from a > combination of two Gaelic words:- MAITH (silent "t") meaning good, and > AOIS > meaning age. Obviously the person around whom this branch-name originated > lived to a great old age. BAOI originating from Dursey Island. > ---- Riobard. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >