Dear Elan and Bryan,   I don't have any leads in Brighton for you, but thought you might like to know a bit about the City's background and where the records are housed.    Most of the streets in Brighton still exist and are within 2 miles of my house.   St. John the Baptist R.C. Church is still surviving and very well used, with an Irish priest in charge, and is still the principal Roman Catholic Church in Brighton.  King George IV's Wife Maria Fitzherbert is buried there.  It was the 4th Catholic Church to be built after the Reformation, in Classical Greek style with pillars at the front and a triangular bit on top.  Myself and siblings were also christened there.    Egremont is only a few hundred yards from the Church, and the seafront.   Hove is the adjoining Town to Brighton, to the west, forming the City of Brighton and Hove (only a City since 2000 when the Queen made it so), with approximately 300,000 residents (about half of that when your relatives were there).   Steyning was the old County Record Keeping Office for births, marraiges and deaths and is a few miles to the west of Brighton.  East Sussex Records Office is in Lewes, in an ancient tithe barn (the County Town of administration for East Sussex, being about 8 miles north of Brighton), and West Sussex County Records Office is situated in Chichester, 33 miles west of Brighton.  These are the modern records offices.    Also, for people locally, there are records of rate books and street directories in the main Hove Library and in the Brighton Local History Centre at the Museum (part of King George IV's Palace, the Royal Pavillion), covering those residing in the Town.   Sussex used to be one County, but is now divided into two Counties: East and West Sussex since approximately the early 1970s, with different administration.  Steyning sits in West and Brighton and Hove in the East.  Each County has its own law courts.   Trams and horse buses had limited usage in Brighton, being built on 7 hills like Rome, so they were phased out and trolley buses replaced them, followed by motor buses in quick succession.   The old Brighton Workhouse is still standing proudly at the top of a hill in Elm Grove near to the Racecourse.  It transformed from a Workhouse into Brighton General Hospital, and the census records for inmates are available, during its time as the Workhouse.  (I was actually born there after it became a hospital).   I have never heard of Arnold Street, so it could have been knocked down and rebuilt upon over time.  There is an Albert Road though.  St. Philip's Church, I think, is still existing, but would need to check this.   Hope this helps a bit.  Good luck with your treehunting!   PS. Coincidentally, I also had an Uncle who was at the Somme and Passchendaele (Ypres) and luckily survived until a grand old age (on the English side of my family).     Kind regards,   Mary Funnell Bunny Villas 121 Ringmer Road North Moulsecoomb Brighton East Sussex BN1-9JA Telephone 01273 606345 --- On Wed, 18/3/09, Elan & Bryan Walton <bewalt@voyageur.ca> wrote: From: Elan & Bryan Walton <bewalt@voyageur.ca> Subject: [BEARA] Searching for CROWLEY family members To: BEARA@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, 18 March, 2009, 10:53 PM Has been a number of years since have been on the list and wanted to post again my search. Looking for family of Daniel from Ireland, Denis, Rose, John, Daniel, Catherine, Annie, William or Charles Crowley. Daniel Crowley B: c.1810-1820 (Ireland) Wife unknown I only know of this Daniel from the Marriage Certificate of Denis below. Denis Crowley B: c.1849 Ireland (1891 Census list birthplace as Ireland, Co. Cork) D: 13 September, 1896 (On certificate of death: died at Union Workhouse, Rye, age 50) M: 6 April, 1886 to: Married Rosetta (Rose) Hutson B: c.1865 Sussex, Eastbourne (1891 Census lists age as 27 yrs) D: unknown Denis and Rosetta's marriage certificate lists Denis' father as Daniel a labourer and Rosetta's father as Mark Hutson, gardener. Denis was age 37 and Rosetta age 21, married at the St. John the Baptist Chapel, Brighton, Sussex and living at 80 Egremont Street. On 1891 Census they were living at 69 Egremont Street. The marriage was witnessed by Denis Crowley and Norah Crowley (? relatives)- there was a Denis and Norah living at 3 Egremont Street on 1891 Census). Rosetta apparently remarried and her last name was Owens - she is on 1901 Census with all the children except the 2 eldest and also a new baby. Denis and Rosetta's Children (6 + 1 of Rosetta): 1)Rose Crowley, B: c.1882 (age 9 on 1891 Census) - apparently married a James Green (Jimmy) and they lived in Brixton, London with no children 2)John Crowley, B: c.1884 (age 7 on 1891 Census) - no other info. 3)Daniel Crowley, B: 13 March, 1886 Brighton (have birth certificate, is age 5 on 1891 Census) D: October 30, 1914, died in battle for Ypres Belgium, was Lance Corporal in Royal Sussex Regiment. He is listed as age 25 on death certificate and that he died in France or death presumed. - may possibly have married at age 22 to a Mary Balls and had a son named Franciess 4) Kate (Catharine, Catherine, Kathleen) Crowley, B: 16 November, 1889, Brighton (have birth certificate, is age 1 on 1891 Census) D: 24 June, 1980 (have death certificate) at Hove, East Sussex M: December, 1909, Steyning England to: Alfred Hollingdale, B: 2 August, 1885, D: c.1983, they lived at 18 Conway St, Hove. Children: a) Gladys Hollingdale, B: c.1911, D: c.1972 (this is my father's cousin June's mother) M: to Frank Coles Children: 1)Dennis Coles, B: c.1934, D: c.1934 (June said he lived about 7 days) 2)June Coles, B: 30 August, 1936 in Hove M: to Michael Sargent B: 1936, 22 March, 1958 at St Philips Church June and Michael had a daughter who was stillborn, no other children Gladys had a 2nd husband named Ben Smith b)Alfred D. Hollingdale, B: Dec.1912, D:c.1983/84 M: wife name unknown, they had 2 sons Dennis and Christopher c)Nellie Kathleen Hollingdale, B: March 1917, D: Dec.1922 5)Annie Crowley, B: 18 July, 1892, Brighton, (have birth certificate) D: unknown M: Edward Baker (Ted), they owned the Red Lion, in Brixton, London Children: a)Edward Baker, wife Joyce, 2 daughters Patsy & Susan b)Rose Baker, husband William, daughter Margaret, moved to Australia c)Ruby Baker, husband Edgar, son? d)William Baker (Billy Boy), wife Doris, no children 6)William James (Vincent in Canada) Crowley - this was my grandfather B: 1 November, 1896, Brighton, England at Workhouse W.D. D: 14 March, 1952, Kenora, Ontario, Canada M: 21 November, 1928, Roblin, Manitoba, Canada to Oral Elizabeth Sharpen Children: a)Charles B. Crowley, B:4 November, 1929 Kenora, Ontario, M:20 December, 1958 to Eileen Simoneau, 1 son Dean, 2 children of Eileen's previous marriage b)James William Crowley - my father B:5 December, 1932 Kenora, Ontario M:3 Sept.1955 to Joyce Doreen Gosselin in Fort Frances, Ontario Children: there are 6 of us, I am the youngest. c)twin girls c.1935, died shortly after birth d)Robert E. Crowley, B: 3August1941, Kenora, Ontario M:17July, 1965 to Karen Bergen, one son Rob 7)Charles Frederick Crowley - this was my great uncle B: 25 November, 1898, Brighton, England at 1 Arnold Street D: 25 November, 1982, Kenora, Ontario, Canada M: 1 June, 1946, Kingston, Ontario, Canada to Yvette B:1June1914 in Quebec Children: 2 adopted sons - Gaston and Roger June's grandmother Kate Crowley also spoke of a ½ sister known as Fanny Hunt. Other names that were mentioned by family include Grace, Jack, and a Sonny who was killed by a tram as a boy in Brighton. Any leads or suggestions of next steps would be greatly appreciated. Elan Walton (nee Crowley) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message