Hi Mary If you were to look at this from the other direction: Do you know all your grandparent's siblings i.e. children of your ggrandmother? Although I am not a believer of the first name culture it can provide some valuable hints. Have you studied the witnesses and sponsors of this family for a clue? *IF*they were still in Bantry area at this time I would expect the immediate family to fill these roles for your grandparent. Another thought is that it may be easier/more effective to try and eliminate one of this pair than to find the perfect match. Best of luck John On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Mary Ellen Moran <jacmare@hotmail.com>wrote: > > Hi John... > > Here's what I know...my gr. grandfather married Julia at St. Finbarr's RC > Church in Bantry. Her father John was a farmer in Courloum and his father a > laborer in Bantry. > > If my gr. grandmother is a daughter of John & Mary K...I can trace > descendents to today as Julia's younger sister Catherine married and had 9 > children - two of them having children presently living in or near > Glengarriff. As for the other John & Mary C...two of Julia's siblings > (Robert & Michael) married women at St. Finbarr's and had children but only > two of these offspring carry the family names. It gets very confusing - all > I really have are baptismal and marriage records from St. Finbarr's. Thank > you for your interest and bless you for any insights. Mary Ellen > > > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:15:18 -0400 > > From: john.steitz@gmail.com > > To: beara@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Need some help! > > > > may I suggest that you build a tree for both and work through census > years > > and see if one diverges away. Where was this family at this time? > > > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Mary Ellen Moran <jacmare@hotmail.com > >wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay...forget that last e-mail...sometimes the mind just goes blank...I > > > have the mother's maiden names!!! I just don't know which mother is my > > > gr.gr.grandmother and I don't know where to turn next! Mary Ellen > > > > > > > From: jacmare@hotmail.com > > > > To: beara@rootsweb.com > > > > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:29:58 -0400 > > > > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Need some help! > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you John...I really appreciate your quick response to my > dilemma. I > > > do have the sponsors names for both Julias as well as their siblings. > Most > > > of the sponsors are relatives with both the mom & dad's surnames. Are > there > > > birth records anywhere that record the mother's maiden name??? > Thanks...Mary > > > Ellen > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:36:20 -0400 > > > > > From: john.steitz@gmail.com > > > > > To: beara@rootsweb.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Need some help! > > > > > > > > > > May I suggest you look at the Baptism sponsor names if you haven't > > > already. > > > > > This could give you a clue. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Mary Ellen Moran < > jacmare@hotmail.com > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello to all you Beara listers. I love the site and know if > anyone > > > has an > > > > > > answer, one of you will. I have reached a brick wall in trying to > > > trace my > > > > > > great grandmother. I cannot determine if she is the daughter of > John > > > & Mary > > > > > > C(#1 family)who had a daughter named Julia in Sept. of 1845 or if > she > > > is the > > > > > > daughter of John & Mary K (#2 family) who had a daughter named > Julia > > > in Nov. > > > > > > of 1845. Since the mother's name is not on the baptismal > certificate, > > > how > > > > > > do I determine which Julia is my great grandmother? Both Johns > have > > > the > > > > > > same surname! I'm leaning toward family #2 because of the > siblings' > > > names > > > > > > which are repeated in my grandmother's family. Are there any > other > > > records > > > > > > that could be searched? Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Best > > > > > > wishes, Mary Ellen > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. > > > > > > > > > > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes > > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Rediscover Hotmail®: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry > > > > > > > > http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mobile1_042009 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. > > > > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Rediscover Hotmail®: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry > > http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mobile1_042009 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >
Thank you John...I will give your suggestions a try and hope for the best...Mary Ellen > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:03:25 -0400 > From: john.steitz@gmail.com > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Need some help! > > Hi Mary > If you were to look at this from the other direction: Do you know all your > grandparent's siblings i.e. children of your ggrandmother? Although I am not > a believer of the first name culture it can provide some valuable hints. > Have you studied the witnesses and sponsors of this family for a clue? > *IF*they were still in Bantry area at this time I would expect the > immediate > family to fill these roles for your grandparent. Another thought is that it > may be easier/more effective to try and eliminate one of this pair than to > find the perfect match. > Best of luck > John > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Mary Ellen Moran <jacmare@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > > > Hi John... > > > > Here's what I know...my gr. grandfather married Julia at St. Finbarr's RC > > Church in Bantry. Her father John was a farmer in Courloum and his father a > > laborer in Bantry. > > > > If my gr. grandmother is a daughter of John & Mary K...I can trace > > descendents to today as Julia's younger sister Catherine married and had 9 > > children - two of them having children presently living in or near > > Glengarriff. As for the other John & Mary C...two of Julia's siblings > > (Robert & Michael) married women at St. Finbarr's and had children but only > > two of these offspring carry the family names. It gets very confusing - all > > I really have are baptismal and marriage records from St. Finbarr's. Thank > > you for your interest and bless you for any insights. Mary Ellen > > > > > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:15:18 -0400 > > > From: john.steitz@gmail.com > > > To: beara@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Need some help! > > > > > > may I suggest that you build a tree for both and work through census > > years > > > and see if one diverges away. Where was this family at this time? > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Mary Ellen Moran <jacmare@hotmail.com > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Okay...forget that last e-mail...sometimes the mind just goes blank...I > > > > have the mother's maiden names!!! I just don't know which mother is my > > > > gr.gr.grandmother and I don't know where to turn next! Mary Ellen > > > > > > > > > From: jacmare@hotmail.com > > > > > To: beara@rootsweb.com > > > > > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:29:58 -0400 > > > > > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Need some help! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you John...I really appreciate your quick response to my > > dilemma. I > > > > do have the sponsors names for both Julias as well as their siblings. > > Most > > > > of the sponsors are relatives with both the mom & dad's surnames. Are > > there > > > > birth records anywhere that record the mother's maiden name??? > > Thanks...Mary > > > > Ellen > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:36:20 -0400 > > > > > > From: john.steitz@gmail.com > > > > > > To: beara@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Need some help! > > > > > > > > > > > > May I suggest you look at the Baptism sponsor names if you haven't > > > > already. > > > > > > This could give you a clue. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Mary Ellen Moran < > > jacmare@hotmail.com > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello to all you Beara listers. I love the site and know if > > anyone > > > > has an > > > > > > > answer, one of you will. I have reached a brick wall in trying to > > > > trace my > > > > > > > great grandmother. I cannot determine if she is the daughter of > > John > > > > & Mary > > > > > > > C(#1 family)who had a daughter named Julia in Sept. of 1845 or if > > she > > > > is the > > > > > > > daughter of John & Mary K (#2 family) who had a daughter named > > Julia > > > > in Nov. > > > > > > > of 1845. Since the mother's name is not on the baptismal > > certificate, > > > > how > > > > > > > do I determine which Julia is my great grandmother? Both Johns > > have > > > > the > > > > > > > same surname! I'm leaning toward family #2 because of the > > siblings' > > > > names > > > > > > > which are repeated in my grandmother's family. Are there any > > other > > > > records > > > > > > > that could be searched? Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Best > > > > > > > wishes, Mary Ellen > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > > quotes > > > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Rediscover Hotmail®: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry > > > > > > > > > > > http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mobile1_042009 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. > > > > > > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Rediscover Hotmail®: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry > > > > http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mobile1_042009 > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009