McC, My Irish ties go back before 1850, my husband's family however would not even have come to the U.S.. Even his oldest aunt and uncle were born on Bere Island, as I believe his dad would have been. Lucky for me they did come to the U.S. and had the ability to. We have no intention of leaving the U.S. and are proud to be American citizens, my son is USAF as his grandfather before him. At the same time we are haunted by the inscription on grandfather's gravestone and his obit. It reads: "WITH THIS CELTIC CROSS RAISED O'ER ME AND THE SHAMROCK ROUND IT TWINE, WILL TELL OF THE LAND THAT BORE ME AND THE ANCIENT FAITH THAT'S MINE." His obit in part says he "refused to sign an order swearing his allegiance to the British Empire" and "It is the intention of his former comrades of the IRA [earlier noted as the Irish Rifle Association, at Monroe, though he did fight for the IRA in the 1916 Easter Rebellion at the Four Courts in Dublin] at a later date to ship his body back to his Motherland, the land he suffered so much to try to make it a better place for Irishmen to live in." We've even talked to the family about having him 'moved' back to the island. So, I guess in our instance sentimentality plays a huge part, but it's mostly a sign of respect. My father-in-law, a retired colonel of the USAF never had an interest, for that matter I don't believe he ever visited Ireland. Like many other posters have said, I can't even remember any discussions about it, though I do wish I had taken the time to ask before it was too late. (So GOOD to know your daughter is asking!) Tell your daughter that my family's personal intention has just been exploring ways of 'preserving' the marks our families have left, if that makes sense. And, I might add, her questions have made me think more about this, so thank her. My first instinct was more because we can, and that in itself is a beautiful thing. As Gary pointed out, the ability to become an Irish citizen itself is out of respect of the Republic for heirs such as my husband. I've been looking into DAR as my paternal grandmother's family have been here since before and fought in the Revolutionary War. Heck I have found I even had family on both sides of the Civil War. That has been cause for much thought, and that too is a good thing. Getting into your 'roots' can be profound; I'm just sorry I waited until I was the 'senior' member of the family! As to foreigners applying for U.S. citizenship, well, many of our families did just that, so not sure what your daughter is questioning there and how it relates. Well enough of my diatribe :), Lisa O' -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of el. McC. Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:29 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 Just out of curiousity......why do you want Irish citizenship/ passports? Is it just convenience or a feeling for Irishness? Also, do you feel the same for "foreigners" applying for US citizenship? This is a question for all.......... something that my daughter asked about. Slán. > Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:16:07 -0700 > From: asyoulikeit@snet.net > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > Thank you Lisa, I did not know that. > > --- On Thu, 10/29/09, Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: > > > From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 5:11 PM > > > I was referring to the second generation foreign born's ability to get Irish > citizenship. I was wondering if once my husband has citizenship, his > children and grandchildren would also be eligible. > > Another poster advised me no, it was only available to 1st & 2nd generation > foreign born children. > > Lisa > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Maggie Appleton > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:58 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > What is the second generation rule? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:14:34 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > How DO you submit a request for an Irish passport/Foreign Birth > Registration? My husband is second generation and I would like to request > one for him. Does anyone know if once he has one the 2 generation 'rule' > begins again? Just wondering if his registration would later entitle our > grandchildren to one as well. > > I guess I'm putting the horse before the cart as I have yet to get an > official birth certificate or baptism for his grandfather as well. Did they > issue birth certificates as of 1895? John and Bridget were born and buried > on Bere Island. > > I have checked and see the closest Irish Embassy to me is in Houston, TX. > Do I physically have to go there? I have done a bit of internet searching, > but find nothing particular to USA residents, though I have emailed the > London FBR office for assistance as well. > > Lisa O'Sullivan > Texas > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of John Slattery > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:53 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > Kevin, > > I had no trouble four years ago submitting a Baptism certificate for my > grandfather,(from Waterford City - 1850),as this was all that was available > for that period; so hopefully, they would accept Church certification of the > Baptism as a replacement for a missing Birth certificate. > > Geraldine Slattery, > Australia. > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Kevin MacKinnon > Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 1:17 AM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > > I have tried twice now to get a birth certificate for my g-grandmother > Catharine O'Sullivan (born in Adrigole 1978) without success. They told me > that its likely that the birth was never registered. If that is the case, > is an Irish passport for my father out of the question?? 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Im leaving this thread.......mainly because of the abusive e mails Im receiving off list. Next one I get Ill post straight to the list. Though Im sure the idiots have used a temp. e mail addss. ( Ever heard of IP addss's?) All I added was for people to re read the original post.......it appears some have a problem with what's actually written and what they are reading. Those of you who have been so abusive.......... I feel very sorry for you.......I really do. The term" get a life "comes to mind. Slán. _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop