Thank you Lisa, I did not know that. --- On Thu, 10/29/09, Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 To: beara@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 5:11 PM I was referring to the second generation foreign born's ability to get Irish citizenship.  I was wondering if once my husband has citizenship, his children and grandchildren would also be eligible. Another poster advised me no, it was only available to 1st & 2nd generation foreign born children. Lisa -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maggie Appleton Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:58 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 What is the second generation rule? ________________________________ From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> To: beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:14:34 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 How DO you submit a request for an Irish passport/Foreign Birth Registration?  My husband is second generation and I would like to request one for him.  Does anyone know if once he has one the 2 generation 'rule' begins again?  Just wondering if his registration  would later entitle our grandchildren to one as well. I guess I'm putting the horse before the cart as I have yet to get an official birth certificate or baptism for his grandfather as well.  Did they issue birth certificates as of 1895?  John and Bridget were born and buried on Bere Island. I have checked and see the closest Irish Embassy to me is in Houston, TX. Do I physically have to go there?  I have done a bit of internet searching, but find nothing particular to USA residents, though I have emailed the London FBR office for assistance as well. Lisa O'Sullivan Texas -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Slattery Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:53 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 Kevin, I had no trouble four years ago submitting a Baptism certificate for my grandfather,(from Waterford City - 1850),as this was all that was available for that period; so hopefully, they would accept Church certification of the Baptism as a replacement for a missing Birth certificate. Geraldine Slattery, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kevin MacKinnon Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 1:17 AM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 I have tried twice now to get a birth certificate for my g-grandmother Catharine O'Sullivan (born in Adrigole 1978) without success.  They told me that its likely that the birth was never registered.  If that is the case, is an Irish passport for my father out of the question??  I know (thru Riobard) that her baptismal records are available. Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just out of curiousity......why do you want Irish citizenship/ passports? Is it just convenience or a feeling for Irishness? Also, do you feel the same for "foreigners" applying for US citizenship? This is a question for all.......... something that my daughter asked about. Slán. > Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:16:07 -0700 > From: asyoulikeit@snet.net > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > Thank you Lisa, I did not know that. > > --- On Thu, 10/29/09, Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: > > > From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 5:11 PM > > > I was referring to the second generation foreign born's ability to get Irish > citizenship. I was wondering if once my husband has citizenship, his > children and grandchildren would also be eligible. > > Another poster advised me no, it was only available to 1st & 2nd generation > foreign born children. > > Lisa > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Maggie Appleton > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:58 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > What is the second generation rule? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:14:34 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > How DO you submit a request for an Irish passport/Foreign Birth > Registration? My husband is second generation and I would like to request > one for him. Does anyone know if once he has one the 2 generation 'rule' > begins again? Just wondering if his registration would later entitle our > grandchildren to one as well. > > I guess I'm putting the horse before the cart as I have yet to get an > official birth certificate or baptism for his grandfather as well. Did they > issue birth certificates as of 1895? John and Bridget were born and buried > on Bere Island. > > I have checked and see the closest Irish Embassy to me is in Houston, TX. > Do I physically have to go there? I have done a bit of internet searching, > but find nothing particular to USA residents, though I have emailed the > London FBR office for assistance as well. > > Lisa O'Sullivan > Texas > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of John Slattery > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:53 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > Kevin, > > I had no trouble four years ago submitting a Baptism certificate for my > grandfather,(from Waterford City - 1850),as this was all that was available > for that period; so hopefully, they would accept Church certification of the > Baptism as a replacement for a missing Birth certificate. > > Geraldine Slattery, > Australia. > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Kevin MacKinnon > Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 1:17 AM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > > I have tried twice now to get a birth certificate for my g-grandmother > Catharine O'Sullivan (born in Adrigole 1978) without success. They told me > that its likely that the birth was never registered. If that is the case, > is an Irish passport for my father out of the question?? I know (thru > Riobard) that her baptismal records are available. > Thanks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop

To satisfy your curiosity, many men and women who made great personal sacrifices to eventually achieve an Irish Republic were forced to leave their homeland before their dream was realized. Indeed, many of them were forced to leave because they did more for Irish independence than their friends and relatives who remained behind. Out of respect for this great diaspora, the Republic properly extended citizenship to their immediate descendants. We are not "foreigners" applying for Irish citizenship, we are Irish citizens who were born in foriegn lands. Your question about "convenience" or "feeling of Irishness" is insulting. Gary B. Sullivan ----- Original Message ----- From: "el. McC." <ancestryhelp123@hotmail.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 Just out of curiousity......why do you want Irish citizenship/ passports? Is it just convenience or a feeling for Irishness? Also, do you feel the same for "foreigners" applying for US citizenship? This is a question for all.......... something that my daughter asked about. Slán. > Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:16:07 -0700 > From: asyoulikeit@snet.net > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > Thank you Lisa, I did not know that. > > --- On Thu, 10/29/09, Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: > > > From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 5:11 PM > > > I was referring to the second generation foreign born's ability to get > Irish > citizenship. I was wondering if once my husband has citizenship, his > children and grandchildren would also be eligible. > > Another poster advised me no, it was only available to 1st & 2nd > generation > foreign born children. > > Lisa > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Maggie Appleton > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:58 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > What is the second generation rule? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:14:34 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > How DO you submit a request for an Irish passport/Foreign Birth > Registration? My husband is second generation and I would like to request > one for him. Does anyone know if once he has one the 2 generation 'rule' > begins again? Just wondering if his registration would later entitle our > grandchildren to one as well. > > I guess I'm putting the horse before the cart as I have yet to get an > official birth certificate or baptism for his grandfather as well. Did > they > issue birth certificates as of 1895? John and Bridget were born and > buried > on Bere Island. > > I have checked and see the closest Irish Embassy to me is in Houston, TX. > Do I physically have to go there? I have done a bit of internet > searching, > but find nothing particular to USA residents, though I have emailed the > London FBR office for assistance as well. > > Lisa O'Sullivan > Texas > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of John Slattery > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:53 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > Kevin, > > I had no trouble four years ago submitting a Baptism certificate for my > grandfather,(from Waterford City - 1850),as this was all that was > available > for that period; so hopefully, they would accept Church certification of > the > Baptism as a replacement for a missing Birth certificate. > > Geraldine Slattery, > Australia. > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Kevin MacKinnon > Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 1:17 AM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > > I have tried twice now to get a birth certificate for my g-grandmother > Catharine O'Sullivan (born in Adrigole 1978) without success. They told > me > that its likely that the birth was never registered. If that is the case, > is an Irish passport for my father out of the question?? I know (thru > Riobard) that her baptismal records are available. > Thanks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. 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i also find the question ? insulting . a brief history,my mother was from kerry,my wife is from galway my father was born in natick,mass but was brought up in cork.he was a member of barry's detachment.he was under a death sentence but because he was an american citizen the left him alone.when collins was killed he left. in his prosses of geting as ticket he was told that he had to have a british passport.he contacted the american counselet and after he looked into it he asked my father if he had his birth certificate,he did, and was told to get the british passport and throw it over the side when they cleared the harbor,and present his birth certificate when he got here.the persuction of ira members during the "troubles" was rampard.even the priests were turned aginst them.my unkles on my mother's side fled except for one.uy unkles and aunts sent him money to come out.when he and a friend asked the priest to vouch for them he refused.the friend's sister worked for the local minister and he got a recomedation from him.my unkle stayed,bitter at the church and bought fields with the money.so you tell this pompous jackass he does not have the brains god gave a weasle or the class god gave the pig.    jim sullivan --- On Thu, 10/29/09, julie <sullivan11@frontiernet.net> wrote: From: julie <sullivan11@frontiernet.net> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 To: beara@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 5:38 PM To satisfy your curiosity, many men and women who made great personal sacrifices to eventually achieve an Irish Republic were forced to leave their homeland before their dream was realized. Indeed, many of them were forced to leave because they did more for Irish independence than their friends and relatives who remained behind. Out of respect for this great diaspora, the Republic properly extended citizenship to their immediate descendants. We are not "foreigners" applying for Irish citizenship, we are Irish citizens who were born in foriegn lands. Your question about "convenience" or "feeling of Irishness" is insulting. Gary B. Sullivan ----- Original Message ----- From: "el. McC." <ancestryhelp123@hotmail.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 Just out of curiousity......why do you want Irish citizenship/ passports? Is it just convenience or a feeling for Irishness? Also, do you feel the same for "foreigners" applying for US citizenship? This is a question for all.......... something that my daughter asked about. Slán. > Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:16:07 -0700 > From: asyoulikeit@snet.net > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > Thank you Lisa, I did not know that. > > --- On Thu, 10/29/09, Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: > > > From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 5:11 PM > > > I was referring to the second generation foreign born's ability to get > Irish > citizenship.  I was wondering if once my husband has citizenship, his > children and grandchildren would also be eligible. > > Another poster advised me no, it was only available to 1st & 2nd > generation > foreign born children. > > Lisa > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Maggie Appleton > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:58 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > What is the second generation rule? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:14:34 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > How DO you submit a request for an Irish passport/Foreign Birth > Registration?  My husband is second generation and I would like to request > one for him.  Does anyone know if once he has one the 2 generation 'rule' > begins again?  Just wondering if his registration  would later entitle our > grandchildren to one as well. > > I guess I'm putting the horse before the cart as I have yet to get an > official birth certificate or baptism for his grandfather as well.  Did > they > issue birth certificates as of 1895?  John and Bridget were born and > buried > on Bere Island. > > I have checked and see the closest Irish Embassy to me is in Houston, TX. > Do I physically have to go there?  I have done a bit of internet > searching, > but find nothing particular to USA residents, though I have emailed the > London FBR office for assistance as well. > > Lisa O'Sullivan > Texas > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of John Slattery > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:53 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > Kevin, > > I had no trouble four years ago submitting a Baptism certificate for my > grandfather,(from Waterford City - 1850),as this was all that was > available > for that period; so hopefully, they would accept Church certification of > the > Baptism as a replacement for a missing Birth certificate. > > Geraldine Slattery, > Australia. > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Kevin MacKinnon > Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 1:17 AM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > > I have tried twice now to get a birth certificate for my g-grandmother > Catharine O'Sullivan (born in Adrigole 1978) without success.  They told > me > that its likely that the birth was never registered.  If that is the case, > is an Irish passport for my father out of the question??  I know (thru > Riobard) that her baptismal records are available. > Thanks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. 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