Please end my census ignorance! What is the 1909 census? I thought the censi? in Ireland, Canada and England were 1901 and 1911 while the US were in 1900 and 1910 Cheers Bob Radcliffe Toronto > From: bposullivan@smcm.edu > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:59:37 -0400 > Subject: Re: [BEARA] O'Sullivan or Sullivan? > > Some of my cousins, also in America, are Sullivans. My father, Patrick O'Sullivan, always assumed that his brothers dropped the O when they emigrated, but it turns out that my grandfather and great-grandfather (both named Cornelius); my grandfather even signed the 1909 census with that name. But my dad always thought his name was O'Sullivan! And he didn't think find the difference in names particualrly important or interesting--somehow, the subject apparently never came up until one of my cousins started to do some genealogical research. > > I get the impression that my family saw Sullivan and O'Sullivan as interchangeable, with the "O'" almost analogous to a middle initial that one sometimes includes in one's signature and sometimes omits. But could the "O'" possibly have been a kind of assertion of Irish identity on the part of my grandparents and on behalf of my father? My dad was the youngest in his family, and he was born in 1920; most of his siblings, if not all of them, were born before the Easter Rising. I wonder if my grandparents could have included the "O'" in their youngest son's name, and perhaps put in back in their own, in the spirit of the Irish independence movement and revival of Irish culture. It's probably a longshot, but I thought I'd put it out there--it would be kind of cool, I think. > > Brian > ________________________________________ > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lisa O [ohlisao@att.net] > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:30 AM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] O'Sullivan or Sullivan? > > Thanks Seamus, > > Not sure I explained my question well enough. John O'Sullivan is listed as > such in most records, but he signed himself just Sullivan on the census, > which is the first time we'd seen the name without the O'. The O was > integral to the family in the US and never dropped, and from all previous > accounts had always been 'attached'. That's why we were surprised I guess. > Maybe it had more to do with 'fitting in', or rather, being less conspicuous > during the unrest in Ireland?? And yes, the family is/were strong > Catholics. I do see your point though, as I have used more than one name :) > > Lisa > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of seamus O'More > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:32 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] O'Sullivan or Sullivan? > > Lisa, > "O" means grandson. The O'Sullivan's were strong Catholic's in Co. Cork and > using the "O" meant it. Where they came over to the state's they dropped it > in most case's seemed easier to fit in. If they went back they added it > back. In hunting the family lines down use what they did at the time they > did. It is what they called themselves. If you have put the "O" back where > it belongs then that's you not them. Names are just that names. Like numbers > you 1 is 1 and 2 is 2. Just how it is. O'Sullivan in 1897 is O'Sullivan in > 1897.... Sullivan in 1897 is Sullivan in 1897. See easy ay? Write down their > names as they used them. Too much thought is unnessisary. > Seamus O'More (aka James Moore) > Pepole know I am the James Moore who calles himself Seamus O'More. > Slan > Seamus > > > --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: > > From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> > Subject: [BEARA] O'Sullivan or Sullivan? > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 3:13 PM > > Anyone have any a suggestion to how I should note my family on our Gedcom. > I found our O'Sullvan's listed on the 1901 census as Sullivan, written by > John and signed as such. This is a new development and makes me wonder how > I should proceed to search for John's father Roger and grandparents. Do you > think I should try to find Roger Sullivan now?? > > > > Lisa > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message