Remember the impotance of the "O" The Ard Righ was also elected from the "derbfine" of his family.  Righ were chosen from the derbfine This derbfine was tagged with an "Mc", "Mac" or "O" it was for purpose of voting on clan matters( went back about 4 gens in the same family. All related to the same father or grandad,( hence grandson's and their cousin's, who are grandson's, just from another son, that's all). It was important for the clans to know who was in the derbfine. (The bards job) Now it was also important to the english to distroy this power base. So no more O's and Mac's or Mc's was made a LAW and then they thought, no more clan. Still there are O'Sullivan's in the year 2009.  What does this show? God bless you all Sesamus --- On Fri, 7/17/09, TheChilts <ad2wh@talktalk.net> wrote: From: TheChilts <ad2wh@talktalk.net> Subject: Re: [BEARA] O'Sullivan or Sullivan? To: beara@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 5:36 AM Hi Guys, My 'Irish expert' has explained to me that where 'Mac' precedes a name it stands for 'son of' and that the 'O' actually means 'descendant of' rather than just grandson.  Also claiamhain isteach means 'son in-law'. You will notice that where this is stated, there is no male member in the family that he has married into.  Have I got this right Jim ?? Regards - Ann Berry -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronald Barnes Sent: 17 July 2009 05:51 To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] O'Sullivan or Sullivan? Hi, You seem to be knowledgeable, and though I don't want to show my ignorance I am going to ask.  Could you tell me what they mean when they say he went "cliamyhain isteach" to Catherine or whomever of some other town.  I see this several times in Riobards book of Eyeries. when talking about someone marries a lady from another town. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "seamus O'More" <seamusjames@yahoo.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] O'Sullivan or Sullivan? Lisa, "O" means grandson. The O'Sullivan's were strong Catholic's in Co. Cork and using the "O" meant it. Where they came over to the state's they dropped it in most case's seemed easier to fit in. If they went back they added it back. In hunting the family lines down use what they did at the time they did. It is what they called themselves. If you have put the "O" back where it belongs then that's you not them. Names are just that names. Like numbers you 1 is 1 and 2 is 2. Just how it is. O'Sullivan in 1897 is O'Sullivan in 1897.... Sullivan in 1897 is Sullivan in 1897. See easy ay? Write down their names as they used them. Too much thought is unnessisary. Seamus O'More (aka James Moore) Pepole know I am the James Moore who calles himself Seamus O'More. Slan Seamus --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> Subject: [BEARA] O'Sullivan or Sullivan? To: beara@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 3:13 PM Anyone have any a suggestion to how I should note my family on our Gedcom. I found our O'Sullvan's listed on the 1901 census as Sullivan, written by John and signed as such. This is a new development and makes me wonder how I should proceed to search for John's father Roger and grandparents. Do you think I should try to find Roger Sullivan now?? Lisa ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message