Holland is only an Anglicisation of the old Gaelic surname O h-Ualachain or Houlihan. ---- Riobard. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Dennehy" <margaretdennehy@hotmail.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [BEARA] BEARA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 371 My maternal grandfather Daniel Houlihan (Suvane) from Inches near Eyeries was known by the name Holland when he was in the USA. Does anyone know the reason for using the alternative surname? Happy New Year to all. Margaret Dennehy.> From: beara-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: BEARA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 371> To: beara@rootsweb.com> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:00:25 -0700> > > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Traditions of naming a child (Stephanie Anderson)> 2. Traditions of naming a child (Stephanie Anderson)> 3. Re: Traditions of naming a child (Terry Curran)> 4. Re: Traditions of naming a child (Bill Gawne)> 5. Re: Traditions of naming a child (Stephanie Anderson)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:38:35 -0500> From: Stephanie Anderson <spitfire_sh@hotmail.com>> Subject: [BEARA] Traditions of naming a child> To: <beara@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <BLU133-W44BC0F3680E5F25DACD8E48DEF0@phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > So I have had the pleasure of making it home this holiday season and I have come across some letter my grandmother had written or received from other relatives. It makes me laugh, one of them (not my grandmother) found Riobard's book in a library in Montana and was looking through it. They read through the entries and one of the names we are researching is Houlihan. Well this relative writes to my grandmother and says, I think that since it says (Suavane) Houlihan it must be what they call all Houlihan's. Well, unfortunatelly she was wrong and we are of the Cain Houlihan branch.> > Anyway, another thing I read in a letter was that it was tradition to name the first son after the paternal grandfather and the second son after the maternal grandfather. Same goes for the daughters first daughter after the first paternal grandmother and second after the maternal grandmother.> > Does anyone have a clue if this is even remotely true?> > Thanks and happy holidays!> Stephanie> > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:03:04 -0500> From: Stephanie Anderson <spitfire_sh@hotmail.com>> Subject: [BEARA] Traditions of naming a child> To: <jpsullivan38@yahoo.com>, Beara List <beara@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <BLU133-W5443E6AEF690B6A4AD2B6F8DEC0@phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > So I have had the pleasure of making it home this holiday season and I have come across some letter my grandmother had written or received from other relatives. It makes me laugh, one of them (not my grandmother) found Riobard's book in a library in Montana and was looking through it. They read through the entries and one of the names we are researching is Houlihan. Well this relative writes to my grandmother and says, I think that since it says (Suvane) Houlihan it must be what they call all Houlihan's. Well, unfortunatelly she was wrong and we are of the Cain Houlihan branch. Anyway, another thing I read in a letter was that it was tradition to name the first son after the paternal grandfather and the second son after the maternal grandfather. Same goes for the daughters first daughter after the first paternal grandmother and second after the maternal grandmother. Does anyone have a clue if this is even remotely true? Thanks and happy holidays!Stephanie> > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:13:51 +0000 (GMT)> From: Terry Curran <terrycur16@yahoo.es>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Traditions of naming a child> To: beara@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <763241.79865.qm@web28511.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8> > Hi Stephanie> It called the Irish naming patten, it was never the order of the day, just a sort of tradition, some family followed this better than others.> ?> Terry> ?> http://kennytree.com/Irish/irish_naming_pattern.htm> ?> ?> > > --- El mar, 23/12/08, Stephanie Anderson <spitfire_sh@hotmail.com> escribi?:> > De: Stephanie Anderson <spitfire_sh@hotmail.com>> Asunto: [BEARA] Traditions of naming a child> Para: beara@rootsweb.com> Fecha: martes, 23 diciembre, 2008 12:38> > So I have had the pleasure of making it home this holiday season and I have> come across some letter my grandmother had written or received from other> relatives. It makes me laugh, one of them (not my grandmother) found> Riobard's book in a library in Montana and was looking through it. They> read through the entries and one of the names we are researching is Houlihan. > Well this relative writes to my grandmother and says, I think that since it says> (Suavane) Houlihan it must be what they call all Houlihan's. Well,> unfortunatelly she was wrong and we are of the Cain Houlihan branch.> > Anyway, another thing I read in a letter was that it was tradition to name the> first son after the paternal grandfather and the second son after the maternal> grandfather. Same goes for the daughters first daughter after the first> paternal grandmother and second after the maternal grandmother.> > Does anyone have a clue if this is even remotely true?> > Thanks and happy holidays!> Stephanie> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the> quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:28:57 -0500> From: Bill Gawne <gawne@cesmail.net>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Traditions of naming a child> To: beara@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:> <20081222232857.hjjn4ao00004wsg8-tnjar@webmail.spamcop.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes";> format="flowed"> > Hi Stephanie, all,> > Stephanie Anderson <spitfire_sh@hotmail.com> writes:> > > They read through the entries and one of the names we are > > researching is Houlihan.> > Do you know that the Houlihans in Beara also sometimes went by the > name Holland? It adds to the fun of tracing the ancestors.> > > Anyway, another thing I read in a letter was that it was tradition > > to name the first son after the paternal grandfather and the second > > son after the maternal grandfather. Same goes for the daughters > > first daughter after the first paternal grandmother and second after > > the maternal grandmother.> >> > Does anyone have a clue if this is even remotely true?> > Yes, it is. If you look back in the archive, you can find a message > at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/beara/2004-01/1075059520> > Quoting in part from it:> > First son after father's father> Second son after mother's father> Third son after father> Fourth son after father's oldest brother> Fifth son after mother's oldest brother> > First daughter after mother's mother (or father's mother)> Second daughter after father's mother (or mother's mother)> Third daughter after mother> Fourth daughter after mother's oldest sister> Fifth daughter after father's oldest sister> > > -- Bill> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:46:50 -0500> From: Stephanie Anderson <spitfire_sh@hotmail.com>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Traditions of naming a child> To: Beara List <beara@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <BLU133-W485695A1A6FABBCA0E8B018DEC0@phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > Yes, thank you I did know about the Holland name. That is what my maiden name was, and we later found out we were Houlihan when we found a marriage certificate for my gg grandfather's sister.> > I am glad to know there is some truth to the story. It may help us try to figure out some more family members.> > Thanks for the quick response.> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:28:57 -0500> From: gawne@cesmail.net> To: beara@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Traditions of naming a child> > Hi Stephanie, all,> > Stephanie Anderson <spitfire_sh@hotmail.com> writes:> > > They read through the entries and one of the names we are > > researching is Houlihan.> > Do you know that the Houlihans in Beara also sometimes went by the > name Holland? It adds to the fun of tracing the ancestors.> > > Anyway, another thing I read in a letter was that it was tradition > > to name the first son after the paternal grandfather and the second > > son after the maternal grandfather. Same goes for the daughters > > first daughter after the first paternal grandmother and second after > > the maternal grandmother.> >> > Does anyone have a clue if this is even remotely true?> > Yes, it is. If you look back in the archive, you can find a message > at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/beara/2004-01/1075!> 059520> > Quoting in part from it:> > First son after father's father> Second son after mother's father> Third son after father> Fourth son after father's oldest brother> Fifth son after mother's oldest brother> > First daughter after mother's mother (or father's mother)> Second daughter after father's mother (or mother's mother)> Third daughter after mother> Fourth daughter after mother's oldest sister> Fifth daughter after father's oldest sister> > > -- Bill> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > ------------------------------> > To contact the BEARA list administrator, send an email to> BEARA-admin@rootsweb.com.> > To post a message to the BEARA mailing list, send an email to BEARA@rootsweb.com.> > __________________________________________________________> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the> email with no additional text.> > > End of BEARA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 371> ************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Get a bird’s eye view of the world with Multimap http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454059/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message