Sent from my HTC One on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network ----- Reply message ----- From: beara-request@rootsweb.com To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Subject: BEARA Digest, Vol 10, Issue 60 Date: Sat, Jul 11, 2015 11:29 AM Today's Topics: 1. Re: Irish Catholics can now trace ancestry online back to1740s (TLKids65ll@aol.com) 2. Re: research in Dublin (Riobard O' Dwyer) 3. Re: Irish Catholics can now trace ancestry online back to1740s (Susan Haines) 4. Re: research in Dublin (Nancy Avis) 5. Re: Irish Catholics can now trace ancestry online back to 1740s (Susan Daily) 6. Re: Irish Catholics can now trace ancestry online back to1740s (Bill Gawne) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 08:43:20 -0400 From: TLKids65ll@aol.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Irish Catholics can now trace ancestry online back to1740s To: barnes149@cox.net, cullivans@gmail.com, beara@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <147dd6.432402cf.42d26968@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" You're getting further than I have been able. I've only been able to get to the home page and have no idea how to proceed from there. I see a place to look up parishes only I'm supposed to know the Parish and I don't. That's about as far as I've been able to go. Am I going to the right site? Thanks so much for your info and your help. Loretta McDermott McGinn In a message dated 7/10/2015 9:19:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, beara@rootsweb.com writes: Could someone take a look at a record for me, Allihies parrish, marriages Feb 1843, page 195. third item down Michael Houlihan and Mary Sullivan I am getting something marriage of Michael Houlihan & Mari Sullivan of Reenstrick something? Also can not figure out the notation below their names on the left Hate to bother anyone but obviously didn't learn Latin or Irish. Am I reading these right? Any help greatly appreciated Terry -----Original Message----- From: Susan Daily via Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 9:14 AM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Irish Catholics can now trace ancestry online back to1740s [Oops I didn't finish writing my email!!] Keep in mind that in Latin, the spelling of the words and names is affected by whether the person is feminine (typically ends with an A) or masculine (typically ends in UM), or if the name is the the subject of the sentence or the object! (My old Latin and English teachers would be proud of me, lol.) So that is why Michael is spelled differently twice: with the UM meaning he is the subject of the baptism sentence, and with IS which is the object (I think?). ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 14:39:15 +0100 From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <bearariobard@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [BEARA] research in Dublin To: Nancy Avis <npavis@yahoo.com>, "beara@rootsweb.com" <beara@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CALXe21f+2APVyUH8Vwq3CyXiWvhbaY=w+vgo4=s-SsFcoQxhaA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Nancy, I wish I could help you more, but there are restrictions on me. There would have been no need for you to go to Dublin, because I had all the research here. Nobody else in the world had all the stuff I had have/had about Beara Genealogy, but you should find all I sent to the NEHGS Museum in Boston. As regards Denis Sheehan & Mary Downing, the little bit I can now tell you is: that apart from young Denis, there were Jeremiah (born in April 1827), John, Michael, Mary, Patrick, William, Ellen (the 1st Ellen who died young), Catherine, Mark, Eliza, and the 2nd Ellen (born in Dec. 1851. They were born in various places (Killaugh, Kilkinnihan, the townland of Allihies, and Cahirmore ---- all in the Parish of Allihies (the Copper Mines Parish). Some were born during the Famine times in Ireland. As regards Denis Sheehan & Ellen Spring (a native of Co. Kerry), they had the following children: Elizabeth, Georginia (born in Aug. 1871), Teresa (known as Terry), John (known as Sonny), Denny, and Patrick. They all were born in the townland of Cahirmore, in the Allihies Parish. There could have been others in the 1st family ( Denis Sheehan & Mary Downing), but about 3 pages were cut out of the Allihies Parish Records with a scissors by somebody. Best wishes, Riobard (who else ? !!), On 10 July 2015 at 14:31, Nancy Avis via <beara@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I'm going to Ireland later this year and planning stay extra time in Dublin to do research. (wish I could go down to the Beara Peninsula where my ancestors are from but logistically and time wise can't make it). > Anyway was planning to go to the National Library of Ireland and the National Archives of Ireland to do research. Great the Catholic registers are online - plus have been using the Irish Genealogy site too for lots of info. I will look up as much as I can before I leave too. > > Which place have you found to be the most helpful in your research. I've been searching their sites to see what records they and researching their sites but any tips and info you can provide will be helpful. I'm hoping to search some death records of ancestors too. > > My ancestors from the Beara Peninsula are Denis Sheehan and his wife Mary Downing, his son Denis Sheehan married Ellen Spring and they had my great grandmother - Georgina Sheehan. Thanks. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Riobard (O'Dwyer) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:12:26 -0400 From: Susan Haines <sehaines42@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Irish Catholics can now trace ancestry online back to1740s To: TLKids65ll <TLKids65ll@aol.com>, "beara@rootsweb.com" <beara@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <A2BFC803-8C0F-41F1-8F1E-46627AC9EB5C@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I finally went to ir?shgenealogy to find a specific and see if I could find that one in the original listing - no luck so far! I am wondering if the irishgen. Listing is directly from these records? And, Loretta, I sympathize because I don't know parishes for the ones I really want. Sue > On Jul 11, 2015, at 8:43 AM, TLKids65ll via <beara@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > You're getting further than I have been able. I've only been able to get > to the home page and have no idea how to proceed from there. I see a place > to look up parishes only I'm supposed to know the Parish and I don't. > That's about as far as I've been able to go. > > Am I going to the right site? > > Thanks so much for your info and your help. > > Loretta McDermott McGinn > > > In a message dated 7/10/2015 9:19:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > beara@rootsweb.com writes: > > Could someone take a look at a record for me, Allihies parrish, marriages > Feb 1843, page 195. third item down > Michael Houlihan and Mary Sullivan > I am getting something marriage of Michael Houlihan & Mari Sullivan of > Reenstrick something? > Also can not figure out the notation below their names on the left > Hate to bother anyone but obviously didn't learn Latin or Irish. > Am I reading these right? > Any help greatly appreciated > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan Daily via > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 9:14 AM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Irish Catholics can now trace ancestry online back > to1740s > > [Oops I didn't finish writing my email!!] > > Keep in mind that in Latin, the spelling of the words and names is affected > by whether the person is feminine (typically ends with an A) or masculine > (typically ends in UM), or if the name is the the subject of the sentence > or the object! (My old Latin and English teachers would be proud of me, > lol.) So that is why Michael is spelled differently twice: with the UM > meaning he is the subject of the baptism sentence, and with IS which is the > object (I think?). > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:44:48 -0400 From: Nancy Avis <npavis@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [BEARA] research in Dublin To: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <bearariobard@gmail.com> Cc: "beara@rootsweb.com" <beara@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <33466828-4DBE-4830-939A-0C6CF00D480C@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for all the info - luckily I'm not going to ireland just for genealogy research - going on a tour first and staying a few extra days in dublin Sent from my iPad > On Jul 11, 2015, at 9:39 AM, "Riobard O' Dwyer" <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Nancy, > I wish I could help you more, but there are restrictions > on me. There would have been no need for you to go to Dublin, because > I had all the research here. Nobody else in the world had all the > stuff I had have/had about Beara Genealogy, but you should find all I > sent to the NEHGS Museum in Boston. As regards Denis Sheehan & Mary > Downing, the little bit I can now tell you is: that apart from young > Denis, there were Jeremiah (born in April 1827), John, Michael, Mary, > Patrick, William, Ellen (the 1st Ellen who died young), Catherine, > Mark, Eliza, and the 2nd Ellen (born in Dec. 1851. They were born in > various places (Killaugh, Kilkinnihan, the townland of Allihies, and > Cahirmore ---- all in the Parish of Allihies (the Copper Mines > Parish). Some were born during the Famine times in Ireland. > As regards Denis Sheehan & Ellen Spring (a native of Co. > Kerry), they had the following children: Elizabeth, Georginia (born in > Aug. 1871), Teresa (known as Terry), John (known as Sonny), Denny, and > Patrick. They all were born in the townland of Cahirmore, in the > Allihies Parish. > There could have been others in the 1st family ( Denis > Sheehan & Mary Downing), but about 3 pages were cut out of the > Allihies Parish Records with a scissors by somebody. > Best wishes, > Riobard (who else ? !!), > > >> On 10 July 2015 at 14:31, Nancy Avis via <beara@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> I'm going to Ireland later this year and planning stay extra time in Dublin to do research. (wish I could go down to the Beara Peninsula where my ancestors are from but logistically and time wise can't make it). >> Anyway was planning to go to the National Library of Ireland and the National Archives of Ireland to do research. Great the Catholic registers are online - plus have been using the Irish Genealogy site too for lots of info. I will look up as much as I can before I leave too. >> >> Which place have you found to be the most helpful in your research. I've been searching their sites to see what records they and researching their sites but any tips and info you can provide will be helpful. I'm hoping to search some death records of ancestors too. >> >> My ancestors from the Beara Peninsula are Denis Sheehan and his wife Mary Downing, his son Denis Sheehan married Ellen Spring and they had my great grandmother - Georgina Sheehan. Thanks. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Riobard (O'Dwyer) ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 10:25:59 -0500 From: Susan Daily <cullivans@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Irish Catholics can now trace ancestry online back to 1740s To: "beara@rootsweb.com" <beara@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAGMnGi-VXSfLK4p2tzjno-Tb2CVZ6vHUN6k+HQRZBab2p6wzdQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Yes, the latinization of the names can lead to misinterpretations for sure! Michaelum (for Michael) when hand written can be misinterpreted as Nicholas! I had this occur in my mother's family from Leitrim, which actually caused a falling out with another genealogist who was firm in his interpretation. From my book: The first Cooke mentioned in the Cloone Parish records is Michael Cooke, the son of Michael and Catherine McCabe. The record, in Latin, reads ?In Sunaghmore bapt. Michalem Filum Micahelis Cook et Catharena McAbe; Jacobus et Sara McQuillan Susceptorabus.? Filum means ?son of?, Susceptorabus means ?sponsors?, and ?et? means ?and?. The priests were not consistent with their Latin spellings of given names or general words. In Part III, where godparents are mentioned, I?ve left the surname spellings as the priest entered them into the record. On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 8:28 AM, John Caffrey via <beara@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Lol! Spelling, prior to auto correct, was much more flexible. It certainly > keeps the hunt more interesting. > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Susan Haines via > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 7:47 AM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Irish Catholics can now trace ancestry online back to > 1740s > > I am hardly the expert but I also have ancestors Dionysios/Dionysium or > Denis; Demetrium is Jeremiah, I believe. some one correct me if I am > wrong. > There are other "interesting" spellings. > > On 7/9/2015 9:57 PM, Nancy Avis via wrote: > > Looks like alot of it is in Latin. What's interesting is I have > ancestors > named Denis and they are written as Dionysios which googling says in > English > means Denis and says it's a Greek personal name > > From: Reg Volk via <beara@rootsweb.com> > > To: kerstentm <kerstentm@snowcrest.net>; "beara@rootsweb.com" > <beara@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 8:13 PM > > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Irish Catholics can now trace ancestry online > > back to 1740s > > > > Yes, Chrome works but I honestly cannot read hardly any of this. I am in > Cork county, Caheragh parish, Dromorneen townland, looking for > Regans...anybody? > > > > Many Thanks > > > > Reg > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Jul 9, 2015, at 11:56 AM, kerstentm via <beara@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> > >> Susan, > >> Thanks, but I just figured it out. The toolbar depends on your > >> browser, my internet explorer wasn't bringing it up, but Chrome does. > >> Yeah! I have the feeling that digging through all these records will > >> enhance our appreciation for Riobard and all his work. Theresa > >> > >>> Here is the link, in case it isn't clear: http://registers.nli.ie/ > >>> > >>> As for toolbars, make sure you have your java script running and > >>> that you aren't blocking any other add-on that might be required. > >>> > >>> They do show a table of contents at the beginning, at least for my > >>> Leitrim parish of Cloone. There was a random 1820 baptism page (the > >>> very first > >>> records) in the middle of the book, but they placed the image of it > >>> at the beginning of the baptisms (which seemed to start only at > >>> 1823), so that was great to see. > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------- > >> This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. > >> http://www.snowcrest.net > > > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 11:29:09 -0400 From: "Bill Gawne" <wcgawne@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Irish Catholics can now trace ancestry online back to1740s To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000701d0bbee$552a7200$ff7f5600$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Terry, all, I find this marriage -- not in the handwritten records, which I find illegible -- but in http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/e479ea0509225 Marriage of MICHAEL HOULIHAN of NR and MARY SULLIVAN of NR on 10 February 1843 Area - KERRY (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ALLIHIES Husband Wife Name MICHAEL HOULIHAN MARY SULLIVAN Address NR NR Occupation NR NR Father NR HOULIHAN NR SULLIVAN Mother NR NR NR NR Further details in the record Husband Age NR Husband Marital Status NR Wife Age NR Wife Denomination RC Wife Marital Status NR Husband's Father's Occupation NR Wife's Father's Occupation NR Witness 1 DANIEL SULLIVAN Witness 2 JEREMIAH SULLIVAN About the record Book Number Page Entry Number Record_Identifier 1 N/R 3 KY-RC-MA-3052 Bill Gawne -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Barnes via Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 9:17 PM To: Susan Daily; beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Irish Catholics can now trace ancestry online back to1740s Could someone take a look at a record for me, Allihies parrish, marriages Feb 1843, page 195. third item down Michael Houlihan and Mary Sullivan I am getting something marriage of Michael Houlihan & Mari Sullivan of Reenstrick something? Also can not figure out the notation below their names on the left Hate to bother anyone but obviously didn't learn Latin or Irish. Am I reading these right? Any help greatly appreciated Terry ------------------------------ To contact the BEARA list administrator, send an email to BEARA-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the BEARA mailing list, send an email to BEARA@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BEARA Digest, Vol 10, Issue 60 *************************************