Donal: What a wonderful explanation on how nickname surnames came about. I would like to use this on the Eoganacht septs website to help others understand as well. With your permission of course. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Sullivan Dandy Riobard : while we too had the 'Dandees' and the 'Johndees' in the Sliabh Luchra part of the County, occasionally the name was acquired by someone who wore 'sunday clothes' every day or who dressed unusually neat. This 'Dandy' was often held by returned Yanks who were dressed rather snappy. To one returned yank anyone that he did not agree with was a 'God dammed gopher' and so he and his family quickly became 'The Gophers' Like a lot home births in the fifties, I was born in my grandmother's house as the midwife was in the second next farm. Once without thinking when passing this town land in business clothes I stopped the car and hopped in over a ditch carrying a brief case ( not a sight any farmer welcomes, it usually means trouble ) The farmer came round on his tractor stopped and then suddenly realized who was there and exploded " Wisha the devil fire you sideways into kingdom come, Dan, Biddy, Ellie, Jackie, you have put the heart crossways in me"! Whatever my Gaelic or English names or surnames in common usage, there in that townland where I was born, I will always be named for, and my identity will come through my late mother and grandmother! It was quite common in Sliabh Luachra for even grandchildren of a woman of character to carry her personal name or nickname instead of a surname. I 'ran the post' as a relief postman in when I was seventeen and it was only when delivering letters that I found out who some people were correctly named even though they were in the same end of the parish and I had known them all my life.. Slan is beannacht, Donal O On 1/22/12, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Marge, Leesa, and Kathleen, > To answer Marge's > question: ALL Branch Names wouldn't be confined to specific townlands or > areas. > To Leesa: Sullivan "the > Boat" would come from boatmen. > To answer Kathleen: > Sullivan "Dandy". The Dandy comes from Dan D. A family at home were known > as the Johndees ---- from John D. > --- Riobard. > > On 22 January 2012 19:48, carrignua <carrignua@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Does anyone know the origin of Sillivan "The Boat?" Is it evan a >> branch >> name? >> Ny Nother didn't have any Irish and didn't know how "The Boat" was tacked >> on >> to her name and that of her brothers and sisters. There was no boat in >> the >> family as far back as she could remember. >> Leesa in Oregon >> Daughter of Nora "The Boat" >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> >> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:12 AM >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Sullivan Dandy >> >> >> Does anyone know of the origin of the Sullivan Dandy surname? >> >> They were originally came from area known as Beara Peninsula on the >> border >> of County Kerry (East of Kenmare) and County Cork. >> >> Kathleen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> >> To: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com>; <beara@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy - family tree and branch YDNA >> >> >> > Donal: >> > I found the pdf file. It does appear that he did blood group studies >> > and >> > not YDNA. Blood group will not have enough information, unfortunately. >> > >> > I am looking forward to reading this paper in depth to see if I can >> > glean >> > anything that relates to our YDNA research and family study research. >> > >> > Our research is based on DNA genealogy which links family history and >> YDNA >> > to identify actual family trees and branches. Population genetics is >> > based on probabilities and possibilities. Of course, because our YDNA >> > results are limited to those who have taken the YDNA test and have >> > joined >> > our projects (Eoganacht septs, South Irish and Sullivan) many of the >> > family trees will still only represent probabilities and possibilities. >> > We need YDNA of those who are identified as clearly belonging to >> Eoganacht >> > septs and clans to add to the backbone of our research. We have a long >> > list of those with strong family histories that form the backbone of >> > our >> > research. >> > >> > Would you know of the existence of an in-depth Eoganacht surname lists >> > including cadet branches? My list includes the following to date which >> > I >> > know is just the tip of the iceberg (most in the list are Sullivan >> > clans >> > and cadets): >> > >> > Barrule, Barry, Bawn, Bogue, Bowe, Bowes, Breac, Brohill, Buaig, >> Cahalane, >> > Ceartan, Claddy, Cohu, Connelly, Crah, Croumhane, Cumba, Doran, Doyle, >> > Drummand, Fune, Giles, Gill, Glanny, Glas, Gow, Hayes, Hea, Hurrig, >> Keagh, >> > Labhras, Lowney, Lynch, MacArthy, MacAuliffe, MacCarthy, MacCragh, >> > MacCrohan, O'Donoghue, MacGillicudy, MacGrath, Maol, Masters, >> > McAuliffe, >> > McCarter, McCarthy, McCarty, McGill, McGillicuddy, McGillicudy, >> > McShane, >> > Mongan, Mor, O'Bogue, O'Callaghan, O'Cannifree, O'Cohalane/O'Coughlan, >> > O'Connell, O'Cronin, O'Dennehy, O'Donnell, O'Duggan, O'Feehan, >> O'Flahiffe, >> > O'Flynn, O'Keefe, O'Kirby, O'Leary, O'Long, O'Mahoney, O'Moriarty, >> > O'Neill, O'Sullivan, Rabach, Rochtirre, Rua, Seer, Shearhig, Silver, >> > Skilty, Sughrues, Sullivan, Suonish, Tailor, Ukirre, Uonhi, Vallif, >> > Vera >> > >> > I also need to find histories for all Eoganacht septs and clans that >> match >> > the surnames. I am building the larger picture of the Eoganachts >> > through >> > their descendent YDNA. To date approximately 50% have the South Irish >> > modal haplotype. My research includes all those descendents with >> > Eoganacht surnames, as well as those who are South Irish and do-not >> > have >> > Eoganacht surnames. With the inclusive approach, I believe the >> > complete >> > picture of the Eoganachts will be understood. >> > >> > Perhaps you can refer me to those who have studied the Eoganachts in >> > detail. I would like to collaborate with them to build out the complete >> > picture of the Eoganachts. >> > >> > Kathleen >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> >> > To: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net>; <beara@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:37 PM >> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy - family tree and branch YDNA >> > >> > >> > Hi Kathleen, >> > >> > are you aware of the studies conducted by Dr Albert Casey into blood >> > types in Sliabh Luachra in the 50/60 ? As the work was done by a >> > qualified professional, you may find something of use in his work in >> > your own research. >> > >> > If you do not know of these studies, this reference will give you a >> > starting point. >> > >> > Casey's Remarkable Collection >> > www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/pdf/caseyaid.pdfFile<http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Eirlker/pdf/caseyaid.pdfFile>Format: >> > PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View >> > collection of works edited by Dr. Albert Eugene Casey entitled O'Kief, >> > .... And Collector of Historical Records” by T.E. Dowling 3 in Sliabh >> > Luachra, ... here and there are found pages of craniometrics, >> > pathologies, blood group studies, etc. which >> > >> > Slan is beannacht, Donal O ... >> > >> > >> > On 1/21/12, sbcglobal <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >> Marge: >> >> I have been working with Dr. Anatole Klyosov regarding the building of >> >> a >> >> repeatable process using his work for calculating mutation rates for >> >> family >> >> trees and branches. I do the work, regarding the interpretation of >> >> his >> >> work, and he has been gracious enough to review my work for accuracy >> >> and >> >> whether it fairly represents his work. >> >> >> >> The result is that we can build family trees and branches within a >> >> reasonable range. That this means to us is that if I can find enough >> >> YDNA >> >> results in a cluster (related) that I can build a family tree that can >> >> fairly represent relationships to rebuild septs and clans. >> >> >> >> My next work break is Feb 17th, at which time I'll start the cluster >> >> analysis for all the south Irish modal haplotypes I have in our >> >> current >> >> study group. I overlap these results with our family stories (such as >> >> the >> >> one you contributed for your family). Then we view the family tree >> >> results >> >> interpreting relationships with the confirmed cluster YDNA and family >> >> stories. This will yield a compelling story. >> >> >> >> I'm looking forward conferring with you and finding out the additional >> >> family stories you have uncovered. >> >> >> >> I have a long list of branch names for the Sullivan's and need to >> >> build >> >> out >> >> all branch names for the other Eoganacht septs and clans. Let me know >> if >> >> you come across any that you can send me. >> >> >> >> Kathleen >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Marge Sullivan" <hjmcs@optonline.net> >> >> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:45 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy >> >> >> >> >> >>> Dear Riobard: >> >>> >> >>> Do branch names tend to be confined to specific townlands, or >> >>> areas----at >> >>> least early on. I'm wondering if some are more likely to occur in >> >>> Beara, >> >>> than other areas of Cork. Of course, people did move around, but >> >>> perhaps >> >>> there was some tendency to stay close to a "homebase" or ancestral >> >>> lands. >> >>> Something like that. >> >>> >> >>> Marge >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: Riobard O' Dwyer >> >>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:17 AM >> >>> To: beara@rootsweb.com >> >>> Subject: [BEARA] Genealogy >> >>> >> >>> It may be a good thing, when asking questions, as well as putting >> >>> down >> >>> the >> >>> Christian name and surname of the person, to add the maiden name and >> >>> surname of the wife, and the place of residence (now) of the couple >> >>> (as >> >>> well as the place of residence of the wife before she married); the >> same >> >>> (if known) of the parents of both, and also with the maiden name of >> >>> the >> >>> wife in question there; the dates of birth, or approx. dates of >> >>> birth, >> >>> or >> >>> even the approx. years of birth, or if possible, the number or approx >> >>> number of children in the various families; or anything to help a >> person >> >>> try and do the necessary. You mightn't have much of the above, but >> >>> send >> >>> all >> >>> you have. Often, the Priest doing the Baptism might put down the >> Branch >> >>> name instead of the proper surname. There are about 25 different >> >>> Branch >> >>> names of the Sullivans/O'Sullivans; several for the Harringtons, >> >>> McCarthys, >> >>> etc., and if a person wasn't aware of these Branch names when >> >>> sometimes >> >>> trying to sort out what the Priest has put down in the Parish >> >>> Records, >> >>> he >> >>> or she may be banging his/her head against a wall. >> >>> Riobard. >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>> quotes >> >>> in >> >>> the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>> quotes >> >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> >> in >> >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Riobard: Thank you very much. It would appear that there are cadets names that are older than others. Newer ones are still be created to distinguish betweens the numerous Sullivans. For the Eoganacht project I have the following names (most in the list are Sullivan cadet surnames): Barrule, Barry, Bawn, Bogue, Bowe, Bowes, Breac, Brohill, Buaig, Cahalane, Ceartan, Claddy, Cohu, Connelly, Crah, Croumhane, Cumba, Donaho, Donahoo, Donahue, Donehew, Donehoo, Donehue, Donihoo, Donoghoe, Donoghue, Donohew, Donoho, Donohoe, Donohue, Donougher, Donoughue, Doran, Doyle, Drummand, Dunahoo, Dunchue, Dunehew, Dunnahoo, Fune, Giles, Gill, Glanny, Glas, Gow, Hayes, Hea, Hurrig, Keagh, Labhras, Lowney, Lynch, MacArthy, MacAuliffe, MacCarthy, MacCragh, MacCrohan, MacGillicudy, MacGrath, Mahaney, Mahanna, Mahannah, Mahany, Mahoney, Mahony, Maney, Maol, Marney, Masters, Mathúna, McAuliffe, McCarter, McCarthy, McCarty, McGill, McGillicuddy, McGillicudy, McShane, Mongan, Mor, O'Bogue, O'Callaghan, O'Cannifree, O'Cohalane/O'Coughlan, O'Connell, O'Cronin, O'Dennehy, O'Donnell, O'Donoghue, O'Duggan, O'Feehan, O'Flahiffe, O'Flynn, O'Keefe, O'Kirby, O'Leary, O'Long, O'Mahoney, O'Moriarty, O'Neill, O'Sullivan, Rabach, Rochtirre, Rua, Seay, Seer, Shay, Shea, Shearhig, Shee, Silver, Skilty, Sughrues, Sullivan, Suonish, Tailor, Ukirre, Uonhi, Vallif, Vera I work from the 7 Eoganacht septs to the clans, then the cadet surnames. I am very challenged to find the complete list of Eoganacht surnames. Donal mentioned that he may be able to send me a list from the Sliabh Luachra area. Any links you can send me to get the bigger picture of the Eoganacht surnames would be very helpful. I use the list of surnames in our on-going YDNA genealogy study of the Eoganachts. At this point, I believe many Eoganacht surnames are going unidentified because of I have insufficient evidence gathered to know the full range of Eoganacht surnames. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: Riobard O' Dwyer To: beara@rootsweb.com Cc: sbcglobal Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Sullivan Dandy Dear Marge, Leesa, and Kathleen, To answer Marge's question: ALL Branch Names wouldn't be confined to specific townlands or areas. To Leesa: Sullivan "the Boat" would come from boatmen. To answer Kathleen: Sullivan "Dandy". The Dandy comes from Dan D. A family at home were known as the Johndees ---- from John D. --- Riobard. On 22 January 2012 19:48, carrignua <carrignua@comcast.net> wrote: Does anyone know the origin of Sillivan "The Boat?" Is it evan a branch name? Ny Nother didn't have any Irish and didn't know how "The Boat" was tacked on to her name and that of her brothers and sisters. There was no boat in the family as far back as she could remember. Leesa in Oregon Daughter of Nora "The Boat" ----- Original Message ----- From: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Sullivan Dandy Does anyone know of the origin of the Sullivan Dandy surname? They were originally came from area known as Beara Peninsula on the border of County Kerry (East of Kenmare) and County Cork. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> To: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com>; <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy - family tree and branch YDNA > Donal: > I found the pdf file. It does appear that he did blood group studies and > not YDNA. Blood group will not have enough information, unfortunately. > > I am looking forward to reading this paper in depth to see if I can glean > anything that relates to our YDNA research and family study research. > > Our research is based on DNA genealogy which links family history and YDNA > to identify actual family trees and branches. Population genetics is > based on probabilities and possibilities. Of course, because our YDNA > results are limited to those who have taken the YDNA test and have joined > our projects (Eoganacht septs, South Irish and Sullivan) many of the > family trees will still only represent probabilities and possibilities. > We need YDNA of those who are identified as clearly belonging to Eoganacht > septs and clans to add to the backbone of our research. We have a long > list of those with strong family histories that form the backbone of our > research. > > Would you know of the existence of an in-depth Eoganacht surname lists > including cadet branches? My list includes the following to date which I > know is just the tip of the iceberg (most in the list are Sullivan clans > and cadets): > > Barrule, Barry, Bawn, Bogue, Bowe, Bowes, Breac, Brohill, Buaig, Cahalane, > Ceartan, Claddy, Cohu, Connelly, Crah, Croumhane, Cumba, Doran, Doyle, > Drummand, Fune, Giles, Gill, Glanny, Glas, Gow, Hayes, Hea, Hurrig, Keagh, > Labhras, Lowney, Lynch, MacArthy, MacAuliffe, MacCarthy, MacCragh, > MacCrohan, O'Donoghue, MacGillicudy, MacGrath, Maol, Masters, McAuliffe, > McCarter, McCarthy, McCarty, McGill, McGillicuddy, McGillicudy, McShane, > Mongan, Mor, O'Bogue, O'Callaghan, O'Cannifree, O'Cohalane/O'Coughlan, > O'Connell, O'Cronin, O'Dennehy, O'Donnell, O'Duggan, O'Feehan, O'Flahiffe, > O'Flynn, O'Keefe, O'Kirby, O'Leary, O'Long, O'Mahoney, O'Moriarty, > O'Neill, O'Sullivan, Rabach, Rochtirre, Rua, Seer, Shearhig, Silver, > Skilty, Sughrues, Sullivan, Suonish, Tailor, Ukirre, Uonhi, Vallif, Vera > > I also need to find histories for all Eoganacht septs and clans that match > the surnames. I am building the larger picture of the Eoganachts through > their descendent YDNA. To date approximately 50% have the South Irish > modal haplotype. My research includes all those descendents with > Eoganacht surnames, as well as those who are South Irish and do-not have > Eoganacht surnames. With the inclusive approach, I believe the complete > picture of the Eoganachts will be understood. > > Perhaps you can refer me to those who have studied the Eoganachts in > detail. I would like to collaborate with them to build out the complete > picture of the Eoganachts. > > Kathleen > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> > To: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net>; <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:37 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy - family tree and branch YDNA > > > Hi Kathleen, > > are you aware of the studies conducted by Dr Albert Casey into blood > types in Sliabh Luachra in the 50/60 ? As the work was done by a > qualified professional, you may find something of use in his work in > your own research. > > If you do not know of these studies, this reference will give you a > starting point. > > Casey's Remarkable Collection > www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/pdf/caseyaid.pdfFile Format: > PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View > collection of works edited by Dr. Albert Eugene Casey entitled O'Kief, > .... And Collector of Historical Records” by T.E. Dowling 3 in Sliabh > Luachra, ... here and there are found pages of craniometrics, > pathologies, blood group studies, etc. which > > Slan is beannacht, Donal O ... > > > On 1/21/12, sbcglobal <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> Marge: >> I have been working with Dr. Anatole Klyosov regarding the building of a >> repeatable process using his work for calculating mutation rates for >> family >> trees and branches. I do the work, regarding the interpretation of his >> work, and he has been gracious enough to review my work for accuracy and >> whether it fairly represents his work. >> >> The result is that we can build family trees and branches within a >> reasonable range. That this means to us is that if I can find enough >> YDNA >> results in a cluster (related) that I can build a family tree that can >> fairly represent relationships to rebuild septs and clans. >> >> My next work break is Feb 17th, at which time I'll start the cluster >> analysis for all the south Irish modal haplotypes I have in our current >> study group. I overlap these results with our family stories (such as >> the >> one you contributed for your family). Then we view the family tree >> results >> interpreting relationships with the confirmed cluster YDNA and family >> stories. This will yield a compelling story. >> >> I'm looking forward conferring with you and finding out the additional >> family stories you have uncovered. >> >> I have a long list of branch names for the Sullivan's and need to build >> out >> all branch names for the other Eoganacht septs and clans. Let me know if >> you come across any that you can send me. >> >> Kathleen >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marge Sullivan" <hjmcs@optonline.net> >> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:45 AM >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy >> >> >>> Dear Riobard: >>> >>> Do branch names tend to be confined to specific townlands, or >>> areas----at >>> least early on. I'm wondering if some are more likely to occur in >>> Beara, >>> than other areas of Cork. Of course, people did move around, but >>> perhaps >>> there was some tendency to stay close to a "homebase" or ancestral >>> lands. >>> Something like that. >>> >>> Marge >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Riobard O' Dwyer >>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:17 AM >>> To: beara@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [BEARA] Genealogy >>> >>> It may be a good thing, when asking questions, as well as putting down >>> the >>> Christian name and surname of the person, to add the maiden name and >>> surname of the wife, and the place of residence (now) of the couple (as >>> well as the place of residence of the wife before she married); the same >>> (if known) of the parents of both, and also with the maiden name of the >>> wife in question there; the dates of birth, or approx. dates of birth, >>> or >>> even the approx. years of birth, or if possible, the number or approx >>> number of children in the various families; or anything to help a person >>> try and do the necessary. You mightn't have much of the above, but send >>> all >>> you have. Often, the Priest doing the Baptism might put down the Branch >>> name instead of the proper surname. There are about 25 different Branch >>> names of the Sullivans/O'Sullivans; several for the Harringtons, >>> McCarthys, >>> etc., and if a person wasn't aware of these Branch names when sometimes >>> trying to sort out what the Priest has put down in the Parish Records, >>> he >>> or she may be banging his/her head against a wall. >>> Riobard. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Riobard (O'Dwyer)

Does anyone know the origin of Sillivan "The Boat?" Is it evan a branch name? Ny Nother didn't have any Irish and didn't know how "The Boat" was tacked on to her name and that of her brothers and sisters. There was no boat in the family as far back as she could remember. Leesa in Oregon Daughter of Nora "The Boat" ----- Original Message ----- From: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Sullivan Dandy Does anyone know of the origin of the Sullivan Dandy surname? They were originally came from area known as Beara Peninsula on the border of County Kerry (East of Kenmare) and County Cork. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> To: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com>; <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy - family tree and branch YDNA > Donal: > I found the pdf file. It does appear that he did blood group studies and > not YDNA. Blood group will not have enough information, unfortunately. > > I am looking forward to reading this paper in depth to see if I can glean > anything that relates to our YDNA research and family study research. > > Our research is based on DNA genealogy which links family history and YDNA > to identify actual family trees and branches. Population genetics is > based on probabilities and possibilities. Of course, because our YDNA > results are limited to those who have taken the YDNA test and have joined > our projects (Eoganacht septs, South Irish and Sullivan) many of the > family trees will still only represent probabilities and possibilities. > We need YDNA of those who are identified as clearly belonging to Eoganacht > septs and clans to add to the backbone of our research. We have a long > list of those with strong family histories that form the backbone of our > research. > > Would you know of the existence of an in-depth Eoganacht surname lists > including cadet branches? My list includes the following to date which I > know is just the tip of the iceberg (most in the list are Sullivan clans > and cadets): > > Barrule, Barry, Bawn, Bogue, Bowe, Bowes, Breac, Brohill, Buaig, Cahalane, > Ceartan, Claddy, Cohu, Connelly, Crah, Croumhane, Cumba, Doran, Doyle, > Drummand, Fune, Giles, Gill, Glanny, Glas, Gow, Hayes, Hea, Hurrig, Keagh, > Labhras, Lowney, Lynch, MacArthy, MacAuliffe, MacCarthy, MacCragh, > MacCrohan, O'Donoghue, MacGillicudy, MacGrath, Maol, Masters, McAuliffe, > McCarter, McCarthy, McCarty, McGill, McGillicuddy, McGillicudy, McShane, > Mongan, Mor, O'Bogue, O'Callaghan, O'Cannifree, O'Cohalane/O'Coughlan, > O'Connell, O'Cronin, O'Dennehy, O'Donnell, O'Duggan, O'Feehan, O'Flahiffe, > O'Flynn, O'Keefe, O'Kirby, O'Leary, O'Long, O'Mahoney, O'Moriarty, > O'Neill, O'Sullivan, Rabach, Rochtirre, Rua, Seer, Shearhig, Silver, > Skilty, Sughrues, Sullivan, Suonish, Tailor, Ukirre, Uonhi, Vallif, Vera > > I also need to find histories for all Eoganacht septs and clans that match > the surnames. I am building the larger picture of the Eoganachts through > their descendent YDNA. To date approximately 50% have the South Irish > modal haplotype. My research includes all those descendents with > Eoganacht surnames, as well as those who are South Irish and do-not have > Eoganacht surnames. With the inclusive approach, I believe the complete > picture of the Eoganachts will be understood. > > Perhaps you can refer me to those who have studied the Eoganachts in > detail. I would like to collaborate with them to build out the complete > picture of the Eoganachts. > > Kathleen > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> > To: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net>; <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:37 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy - family tree and branch YDNA > > > Hi Kathleen, > > are you aware of the studies conducted by Dr Albert Casey into blood > types in Sliabh Luachra in the 50/60 ? As the work was done by a > qualified professional, you may find something of use in his work in > your own research. > > If you do not know of these studies, this reference will give you a > starting point. > > Casey's Remarkable Collection > www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/pdf/caseyaid.pdfFile Format: > PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View > collection of works edited by Dr. Albert Eugene Casey entitled O'Kief, > .... And Collector of Historical Records” by T.E. Dowling 3 in Sliabh > Luachra, ... here and there are found pages of craniometrics, > pathologies, blood group studies, etc. which > > Slan is beannacht, Donal O ... > > > On 1/21/12, sbcglobal <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> Marge: >> I have been working with Dr. Anatole Klyosov regarding the building of a >> repeatable process using his work for calculating mutation rates for >> family >> trees and branches. I do the work, regarding the interpretation of his >> work, and he has been gracious enough to review my work for accuracy and >> whether it fairly represents his work. >> >> The result is that we can build family trees and branches within a >> reasonable range. That this means to us is that if I can find enough >> YDNA >> results in a cluster (related) that I can build a family tree that can >> fairly represent relationships to rebuild septs and clans. >> >> My next work break is Feb 17th, at which time I'll start the cluster >> analysis for all the south Irish modal haplotypes I have in our current >> study group. I overlap these results with our family stories (such as >> the >> one you contributed for your family). Then we view the family tree >> results >> interpreting relationships with the confirmed cluster YDNA and family >> stories. This will yield a compelling story. >> >> I'm looking forward conferring with you and finding out the additional >> family stories you have uncovered. >> >> I have a long list of branch names for the Sullivan's and need to build >> out >> all branch names for the other Eoganacht septs and clans. Let me know if >> you come across any that you can send me. >> >> Kathleen >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marge Sullivan" <hjmcs@optonline.net> >> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:45 AM >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy >> >> >>> Dear Riobard: >>> >>> Do branch names tend to be confined to specific townlands, or >>> areas----at >>> least early on. I'm wondering if some are more likely to occur in >>> Beara, >>> than other areas of Cork. Of course, people did move around, but >>> perhaps >>> there was some tendency to stay close to a "homebase" or ancestral >>> lands. >>> Something like that. >>> >>> Marge >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Riobard O' Dwyer >>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:17 AM >>> To: beara@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [BEARA] Genealogy >>> >>> It may be a good thing, when asking questions, as well as putting down >>> the >>> Christian name and surname of the person, to add the maiden name and >>> surname of the wife, and the place of residence (now) of the couple (as >>> well as the place of residence of the wife before she married); the same >>> (if known) of the parents of both, and also with the maiden name of the >>> wife in question there; the dates of birth, or approx. dates of birth, >>> or >>> even the approx. years of birth, or if possible, the number or approx >>> number of children in the various families; or anything to help a person >>> try and do the necessary. You mightn't have much of the above, but send >>> all >>> you have. Often, the Priest doing the Baptism might put down the Branch >>> name instead of the proper surname. There are about 25 different Branch >>> names of the Sullivans/O'Sullivans; several for the Harringtons, >>> McCarthys, >>> etc., and if a person wasn't aware of these Branch names when sometimes >>> trying to sort out what the Priest has put down in the Parish Records, >>> he >>> or she may be banging his/her head against a wall. >>> Riobard. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know of the origin of the Sullivan Dandy surname? They were originally came from area known as Beara Peninsula on the border of County Kerry (East of Kenmare) and County Cork. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> To: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com>; <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy - family tree and branch YDNA > Donal: > I found the pdf file. It does appear that he did blood group studies and > not YDNA. Blood group will not have enough information, unfortunately. > > I am looking forward to reading this paper in depth to see if I can glean > anything that relates to our YDNA research and family study research. > > Our research is based on DNA genealogy which links family history and YDNA > to identify actual family trees and branches. Population genetics is > based on probabilities and possibilities. Of course, because our YDNA > results are limited to those who have taken the YDNA test and have joined > our projects (Eoganacht septs, South Irish and Sullivan) many of the > family trees will still only represent probabilities and possibilities. > We need YDNA of those who are identified as clearly belonging to Eoganacht > septs and clans to add to the backbone of our research. We have a long > list of those with strong family histories that form the backbone of our > research. > > Would you know of the existence of an in-depth Eoganacht surname lists > including cadet branches? My list includes the following to date which I > know is just the tip of the iceberg (most in the list are Sullivan clans > and cadets): > > Barrule, Barry, Bawn, Bogue, Bowe, Bowes, Breac, Brohill, Buaig, Cahalane, > Ceartan, Claddy, Cohu, Connelly, Crah, Croumhane, Cumba, Doran, Doyle, > Drummand, Fune, Giles, Gill, Glanny, Glas, Gow, Hayes, Hea, Hurrig, Keagh, > Labhras, Lowney, Lynch, MacArthy, MacAuliffe, MacCarthy, MacCragh, > MacCrohan, O'Donoghue, MacGillicudy, MacGrath, Maol, Masters, McAuliffe, > McCarter, McCarthy, McCarty, McGill, McGillicuddy, McGillicudy, McShane, > Mongan, Mor, O'Bogue, O'Callaghan, O'Cannifree, O'Cohalane/O'Coughlan, > O'Connell, O'Cronin, O'Dennehy, O'Donnell, O'Duggan, O'Feehan, O'Flahiffe, > O'Flynn, O'Keefe, O'Kirby, O'Leary, O'Long, O'Mahoney, O'Moriarty, > O'Neill, O'Sullivan, Rabach, Rochtirre, Rua, Seer, Shearhig, Silver, > Skilty, Sughrues, Sullivan, Suonish, Tailor, Ukirre, Uonhi, Vallif, Vera > > I also need to find histories for all Eoganacht septs and clans that match > the surnames. I am building the larger picture of the Eoganachts through > their descendent YDNA. To date approximately 50% have the South Irish > modal haplotype. My research includes all those descendents with > Eoganacht surnames, as well as those who are South Irish and do-not have > Eoganacht surnames. With the inclusive approach, I believe the complete > picture of the Eoganachts will be understood. > > Perhaps you can refer me to those who have studied the Eoganachts in > detail. I would like to collaborate with them to build out the complete > picture of the Eoganachts. > > Kathleen > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> > To: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net>; <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:37 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy - family tree and branch YDNA > > > Hi Kathleen, > > are you aware of the studies conducted by Dr Albert Casey into blood > types in Sliabh Luachra in the 50/60 ? As the work was done by a > qualified professional, you may find something of use in his work in > your own research. > > If you do not know of these studies, this reference will give you a > starting point. > > Casey's Remarkable Collection > www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/pdf/caseyaid.pdfFile Format: > PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View > collection of works edited by Dr. Albert Eugene Casey entitled O'Kief, > .... And Collector of Historical Records” by T.E. Dowling 3 in Sliabh > Luachra, ... here and there are found pages of craniometrics, > pathologies, blood group studies, etc. which > > Slan is beannacht, Donal O ... > > > On 1/21/12, sbcglobal <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> Marge: >> I have been working with Dr. Anatole Klyosov regarding the building of a >> repeatable process using his work for calculating mutation rates for >> family >> trees and branches. I do the work, regarding the interpretation of his >> work, and he has been gracious enough to review my work for accuracy and >> whether it fairly represents his work. >> >> The result is that we can build family trees and branches within a >> reasonable range. That this means to us is that if I can find enough >> YDNA >> results in a cluster (related) that I can build a family tree that can >> fairly represent relationships to rebuild septs and clans. >> >> My next work break is Feb 17th, at which time I'll start the cluster >> analysis for all the south Irish modal haplotypes I have in our current >> study group. I overlap these results with our family stories (such as >> the >> one you contributed for your family). Then we view the family tree >> results >> interpreting relationships with the confirmed cluster YDNA and family >> stories. This will yield a compelling story. >> >> I'm looking forward conferring with you and finding out the additional >> family stories you have uncovered. >> >> I have a long list of branch names for the Sullivan's and need to build >> out >> all branch names for the other Eoganacht septs and clans. Let me know if >> you come across any that you can send me. >> >> Kathleen >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marge Sullivan" <hjmcs@optonline.net> >> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:45 AM >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy >> >> >>> Dear Riobard: >>> >>> Do branch names tend to be confined to specific townlands, or >>> areas----at >>> least early on. I'm wondering if some are more likely to occur in >>> Beara, >>> than other areas of Cork. Of course, people did move around, but >>> perhaps >>> there was some tendency to stay close to a "homebase" or ancestral >>> lands. >>> Something like that. >>> >>> Marge >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Riobard O' Dwyer >>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:17 AM >>> To: beara@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [BEARA] Genealogy >>> >>> It may be a good thing, when asking questions, as well as putting down >>> the >>> Christian name and surname of the person, to add the maiden name and >>> surname of the wife, and the place of residence (now) of the couple (as >>> well as the place of residence of the wife before she married); the same >>> (if known) of the parents of both, and also with the maiden name of the >>> wife in question there; the dates of birth, or approx. dates of birth, >>> or >>> even the approx. years of birth, or if possible, the number or approx >>> number of children in the various families; or anything to help a person >>> try and do the necessary. You mightn't have much of the above, but send >>> all >>> you have. Often, the Priest doing the Baptism might put down the Branch >>> name instead of the proper surname. There are about 25 different Branch >>> names of the Sullivans/O'Sullivans; several for the Harringtons, >>> McCarthys, >>> etc., and if a person wasn't aware of these Branch names when sometimes >>> trying to sort out what the Priest has put down in the Parish Records, >>> he >>> or she may be banging his/her head against a wall. >>> Riobard. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >

Dear Bob, Ask the drake. Rioard. On 21 January 2012 16:36, <rradclif@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Can anyone help me with the branch of the O'Sullivans called 'duck' > > Thanks > > Bob Radcliffe > > > Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:17:03 +0000 > > From: bearariobard@gmail.com > > To: beara@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [BEARA] Genealogy > > > > It may be a good thing, when asking questions, as well as putting down > the > > Christian name and surname of the person, to add the maiden name and > > surname of the wife, and the place of residence (now) of the couple (as > > well as the place of residence of the wife before she married); the same > > (if known) of the parents of both, and also with the maiden name of the > > wife in question there; the dates of birth, or approx. dates of birth, > or > > even the approx. years of birth, or if possible, the number or approx > > number of children in the various families; or anything to help a person > > try and do the necessary. You mightn't have much of the above, but send > all > > you have. Often, the Priest doing the Baptism might put down the Branch > > name instead of the proper surname. There are about 25 different Branch > > names of the Sullivans/O'Sullivans; several for the Harringtons, > McCarthys, > > etc., and if a person wasn't aware of these Branch names when sometimes > > trying to sort out what the Priest has put down in the Parish Records, he > > or she may be banging his/her head against a wall. > > Riobard. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)*

Hi Kathleen, are you aware of the studies conducted by Dr Albert Casey into blood types in Sliabh Luachra in the 50/60 ? As the work was done by a qualified professional, you may find something of use in his work in your own research. If you do not know of these studies, this reference will give you a starting point. Casey's Remarkable Collection www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/pdf/caseyaid.pdfFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View collection of works edited by Dr. Albert Eugene Casey entitled O'Kief, .... And Collector of Historical Records” by T.E. Dowling 3 in Sliabh Luachra, ... here and there are found pages of craniometrics, pathologies, blood group studies, etc. which Slan is beannacht, Donal O ... On 1/21/12, sbcglobal <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Marge: > I have been working with Dr. Anatole Klyosov regarding the building of a > repeatable process using his work for calculating mutation rates for family > trees and branches. I do the work, regarding the interpretation of his > work, and he has been gracious enough to review my work for accuracy and > whether it fairly represents his work. > > The result is that we can build family trees and branches within a > reasonable range. That this means to us is that if I can find enough YDNA > results in a cluster (related) that I can build a family tree that can > fairly represent relationships to rebuild septs and clans. > > My next work break is Feb 17th, at which time I'll start the cluster > analysis for all the south Irish modal haplotypes I have in our current > study group. I overlap these results with our family stories (such as the > one you contributed for your family). Then we view the family tree results > interpreting relationships with the confirmed cluster YDNA and family > stories. This will yield a compelling story. > > I'm looking forward conferring with you and finding out the additional > family stories you have uncovered. > > I have a long list of branch names for the Sullivan's and need to build out > all branch names for the other Eoganacht septs and clans. Let me know if > you come across any that you can send me. > > Kathleen > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marge Sullivan" <hjmcs@optonline.net> > To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:45 AM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy > > >> Dear Riobard: >> >> Do branch names tend to be confined to specific townlands, or areas----at >> least early on. I'm wondering if some are more likely to occur in Beara, >> than other areas of Cork. Of course, people did move around, but perhaps >> there was some tendency to stay close to a "homebase" or ancestral lands. >> Something like that. >> >> Marge >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Riobard O' Dwyer >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:17 AM >> To: beara@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [BEARA] Genealogy >> >> It may be a good thing, when asking questions, as well as putting down the >> Christian name and surname of the person, to add the maiden name and >> surname of the wife, and the place of residence (now) of the couple (as >> well as the place of residence of the wife before she married); the same >> (if known) of the parents of both, and also with the maiden name of the >> wife in question there; the dates of birth, or approx. dates of birth, or >> even the approx. years of birth, or if possible, the number or approx >> number of children in the various families; or anything to help a person >> try and do the necessary. You mightn't have much of the above, but send >> all >> you have. Often, the Priest doing the Baptism might put down the Branch >> name instead of the proper surname. There are about 25 different Branch >> names of the Sullivans/O'Sullivans; several for the Harringtons, >> McCarthys, >> etc., and if a person wasn't aware of these Branch names when sometimes >> trying to sort out what the Priest has put down in the Parish Records, he >> or she may be banging his/her head against a wall. >> Riobard. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

It may be a good thing, when asking questions, as well as putting down the Christian name and surname of the person, to add the maiden name and surname of the wife, and the place of residence (now) of the couple (as well as the place of residence of the wife before she married); the same (if known) of the parents of both, and also with the maiden name of the wife in question there; the dates of birth, or approx. dates of birth, or even the approx. years of birth, or if possible, the number or approx number of children in the various families; or anything to help a person try and do the necessary. You mightn't have much of the above, but send all you have. Often, the Priest doing the Baptism might put down the Branch name instead of the proper surname. There are about 25 different Branch names of the Sullivans/O'Sullivans; several for the Harringtons, McCarthys, etc., and if a person wasn't aware of these Branch names when sometimes trying to sort out what the Priest has put down in the Parish Records, he or she may be banging his/her head against a wall. Riobard.

Kersten, The Civil records started on January 1st 1861. From then on I have the deaths Records in the Beara Peninsula (Adrigole, Allihies (including Dursey Island), Eyeries, Bere Island, Castletownbere, and Glengarriff (Co. Cork)/Bonane (Co. Kerry). The records consist of the date of death, name of the person, where the person was from, whether single or married, the cause of death, and who was with him/her at the time of death. My information as to the name of the person, where the person is from (& sometimes whether single or married, & at times to where they went) is, at the moment, with the various family trees, in 3 Volumes (Vol. 1; Vol. 11; and Vol. 111) of what are known as The Annals of Beara printed by, and available from (at present) http://www.lulu.com/ I also have the names of the various graveyards and of those buried within. My information on all those things that are not in Vol. 1; Vol. 11; and Vol. 111 (informaton in the various in Volumes 1-111 would need a wheel-barrow to carry them), is by me at home (at the moment), but it takes alot of time to unearth it, and, unfortunately, I have not yet succeeded, due to lack of time at times. --- Riobard, On 20 January 2012 17:55, <kerstentm@snowcrest.net> wrote: > Riobard, > Thanks for sharing this. I've just gotten through tracking my > Muldoon ancestors in Killyconny, County Cavan, and was > aghast to see how they suffered. The newspaper articles > made it very clear that they were desperate. Two cousins > who lived in Collops were sent to jail for stealing a cow. > All I can say is they must have been starving. > So for two questions for the Beara list, are the workhouse > records on-line? I'm happy to know where it was located and > will start searching. I've always wondered where my great great > grandparents, Jack (John) and Mary HarringtonMurphy went. > We've all > searched for their burial records with no success and for the > previous generations as well. I do know that one son took > over the farm and then it was sold. Have had good success > tracking the Murphy relatives in their travels through America > even in obscure mining towns. And have wondered if there > are death records in the Eyeries Church records? Or did > people just get so overwhelmed during the famine that it > was hard to keep track? Thanks for the stories, Theresa > Kersten (Murphy, Harrington (Uonhi and Og)) > > > Times were terrible in Ireland during the Famine, but they were desperate > > well after that. Just looking at a list of people who were forced to go, > > or > > had to go, into the Workhouse in Derrymihan, near Castletownbere (they > > were > > from all over Beara) from Feb. 1865 to April 1873 were people of all > ages. > > Prevalent at the time were phthisis (or T.B.), asthma, all sorts of > fever, > > bronchitis, cancer of various types, preumonia, asthma, jaundice, > > rheumatism, measles. One child brought in was 3 months old. There were > > several widows, sailors, farmers, a publican, a bagpiper,.a soldier, a > > baker, weavers, labourers, servants, miners, a national teacher, a > > shoemaker. There were (many times over) paupers as a result of the > Famine, > > quite a number of people in their 90s, and a hardy woman of 110. > > Riobard. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. > http://www.snowcrest.net > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)*

Donal: I found the pdf file. It does appear that he did blood group studies and not YDNA. Blood group will not have enough information, unfortunately. I am looking forward to reading this paper in depth to see if I can glean anything that relates to our YDNA research and family study research. Our research is based on DNA genealogy which links family history and YDNA to identify actual family trees and branches. Population genetics is based on probabilities and possibilities. Of course, because our YDNA results are limited to those who have taken the YDNA test and have joined our projects (Eoganacht septs, South Irish and Sullivan) many of the family trees will still only represent probabilities and possibilities. We need YDNA of those who are identified as clearly belonging to Eoganacht septs and clans to add to the backbone of our research. We have a long list of those with strong family histories that form the backbone of our research. Would you know of the existence of an in-depth Eoganacht surname lists including cadet branches? My list includes the following to date which I know is just the tip of the iceberg (most in the list are Sullivan clans and cadets): Barrule, Barry, Bawn, Bogue, Bowe, Bowes, Breac, Brohill, Buaig, Cahalane, Ceartan, Claddy, Cohu, Connelly, Crah, Croumhane, Cumba, Doran, Doyle, Drummand, Fune, Giles, Gill, Glanny, Glas, Gow, Hayes, Hea, Hurrig, Keagh, Labhras, Lowney, Lynch, MacArthy, MacAuliffe, MacCarthy, MacCragh, MacCrohan, O'Donoghue, MacGillicudy, MacGrath, Maol, Masters, McAuliffe, McCarter, McCarthy, McCarty, McGill, McGillicuddy, McGillicudy, McShane, Mongan, Mor, O'Bogue, O'Callaghan, O'Cannifree, O'Cohalane/O'Coughlan, O'Connell, O'Cronin, O'Dennehy, O'Donnell, O'Duggan, O'Feehan, O'Flahiffe, O'Flynn, O'Keefe, O'Kirby, O'Leary, O'Long, O'Mahoney, O'Moriarty, O'Neill, O'Sullivan, Rabach, Rochtirre, Rua, Seer, Shearhig, Silver, Skilty, Sughrues, Sullivan, Suonish, Tailor, Ukirre, Uonhi, Vallif, Vera I also need to find histories for all Eoganacht septs and clans that match the surnames. I am building the larger picture of the Eoganachts through their descendent YDNA. To date approximately 50% have the South Irish modal haplotype. My research includes all those descendents with Eoganacht surnames, as well as those who are South Irish and do-not have Eoganacht surnames. With the inclusive approach, I believe the complete picture of the Eoganachts will be understood. Perhaps you can refer me to those who have studied the Eoganachts in detail. I would like to collaborate with them to build out the complete picture of the Eoganachts. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> To: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net>; <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy - family tree and branch YDNA Hi Kathleen, are you aware of the studies conducted by Dr Albert Casey into blood types in Sliabh Luachra in the 50/60 ? As the work was done by a qualified professional, you may find something of use in his work in your own research. If you do not know of these studies, this reference will give you a starting point. Casey's Remarkable Collection www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/pdf/caseyaid.pdfFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View collection of works edited by Dr. Albert Eugene Casey entitled O'Kief, .... And Collector of Historical Records” by T.E. Dowling 3 in Sliabh Luachra, ... here and there are found pages of craniometrics, pathologies, blood group studies, etc. which Slan is beannacht, Donal O ... On 1/21/12, sbcglobal <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Marge: > I have been working with Dr. Anatole Klyosov regarding the building of a > repeatable process using his work for calculating mutation rates for > family > trees and branches. I do the work, regarding the interpretation of his > work, and he has been gracious enough to review my work for accuracy and > whether it fairly represents his work. > > The result is that we can build family trees and branches within a > reasonable range. That this means to us is that if I can find enough YDNA > results in a cluster (related) that I can build a family tree that can > fairly represent relationships to rebuild septs and clans. > > My next work break is Feb 17th, at which time I'll start the cluster > analysis for all the south Irish modal haplotypes I have in our current > study group. I overlap these results with our family stories (such as the > one you contributed for your family). Then we view the family tree > results > interpreting relationships with the confirmed cluster YDNA and family > stories. This will yield a compelling story. > > I'm looking forward conferring with you and finding out the additional > family stories you have uncovered. > > I have a long list of branch names for the Sullivan's and need to build > out > all branch names for the other Eoganacht septs and clans. Let me know if > you come across any that you can send me. > > Kathleen > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marge Sullivan" <hjmcs@optonline.net> > To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:45 AM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy > > >> Dear Riobard: >> >> Do branch names tend to be confined to specific townlands, or areas----at >> least early on. I'm wondering if some are more likely to occur in Beara, >> than other areas of Cork. Of course, people did move around, but perhaps >> there was some tendency to stay close to a "homebase" or ancestral lands. >> Something like that. >> >> Marge >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Riobard O' Dwyer >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:17 AM >> To: beara@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [BEARA] Genealogy >> >> It may be a good thing, when asking questions, as well as putting down >> the >> Christian name and surname of the person, to add the maiden name and >> surname of the wife, and the place of residence (now) of the couple (as >> well as the place of residence of the wife before she married); the same >> (if known) of the parents of both, and also with the maiden name of the >> wife in question there; the dates of birth, or approx. dates of birth, >> or >> even the approx. years of birth, or if possible, the number or approx >> number of children in the various families; or anything to help a person >> try and do the necessary. You mightn't have much of the above, but send >> all >> you have. Often, the Priest doing the Baptism might put down the Branch >> name instead of the proper surname. There are about 25 different Branch >> names of the Sullivans/O'Sullivans; several for the Harringtons, >> McCarthys, >> etc., and if a person wasn't aware of these Branch names when sometimes >> trying to sort out what the Priest has put down in the Parish Records, he >> or she may be banging his/her head against a wall. >> Riobard. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Riobard: Do branch names tend to be confined to specific townlands, or areas----at least early on. I'm wondering if some are more likely to occur in Beara, than other areas of Cork. Of course, people did move around, but perhaps there was some tendency to stay close to a "homebase" or ancestral lands. Something like that. Marge -----Original Message----- From: Riobard O' Dwyer Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:17 AM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: [BEARA] Genealogy It may be a good thing, when asking questions, as well as putting down the Christian name and surname of the person, to add the maiden name and surname of the wife, and the place of residence (now) of the couple (as well as the place of residence of the wife before she married); the same (if known) of the parents of both, and also with the maiden name of the wife in question there; the dates of birth, or approx. dates of birth, or even the approx. years of birth, or if possible, the number or approx number of children in the various families; or anything to help a person try and do the necessary. You mightn't have much of the above, but send all you have. Often, the Priest doing the Baptism might put down the Branch name instead of the proper surname. There are about 25 different Branch names of the Sullivans/O'Sullivans; several for the Harringtons, McCarthys, etc., and if a person wasn't aware of these Branch names when sometimes trying to sort out what the Priest has put down in the Parish Records, he or she may be banging his/her head against a wall. Riobard. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone help me with the branch of the O'Sullivans called 'duck' Thanks Bob Radcliffe > Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:17:03 +0000 > From: bearariobard@gmail.com > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BEARA] Genealogy > > It may be a good thing, when asking questions, as well as putting down the > Christian name and surname of the person, to add the maiden name and > surname of the wife, and the place of residence (now) of the couple (as > well as the place of residence of the wife before she married); the same > (if known) of the parents of both, and also with the maiden name of the > wife in question there; the dates of birth, or approx. dates of birth, or > even the approx. years of birth, or if possible, the number or approx > number of children in the various families; or anything to help a person > try and do the necessary. You mightn't have much of the above, but send all > you have. Often, the Priest doing the Baptism might put down the Branch > name instead of the proper surname. There are about 25 different Branch > names of the Sullivans/O'Sullivans; several for the Harringtons, McCarthys, > etc., and if a person wasn't aware of these Branch names when sometimes > trying to sort out what the Priest has put down in the Parish Records, he > or she may be banging his/her head against a wall. > Riobard. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marge: I have been working with Dr. Anatole Klyosov regarding the building of a repeatable process using his work for calculating mutation rates for family trees and branches. I do the work, regarding the interpretation of his work, and he has been gracious enough to review my work for accuracy and whether it fairly represents his work. The result is that we can build family trees and branches within a reasonable range. That this means to us is that if I can find enough YDNA results in a cluster (related) that I can build a family tree that can fairly represent relationships to rebuild septs and clans. My next work break is Feb 17th, at which time I'll start the cluster analysis for all the south Irish modal haplotypes I have in our current study group. I overlap these results with our family stories (such as the one you contributed for your family). Then we view the family tree results interpreting relationships with the confirmed cluster YDNA and family stories. This will yield a compelling story. I'm looking forward conferring with you and finding out the additional family stories you have uncovered. I have a long list of branch names for the Sullivan's and need to build out all branch names for the other Eoganacht septs and clans. Let me know if you come across any that you can send me. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marge Sullivan" <hjmcs@optonline.net> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy > Dear Riobard: > > Do branch names tend to be confined to specific townlands, or areas----at > least early on. I'm wondering if some are more likely to occur in Beara, > than other areas of Cork. Of course, people did move around, but perhaps > there was some tendency to stay close to a "homebase" or ancestral lands. > Something like that. > > Marge > > -----Original Message----- > From: Riobard O' Dwyer > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:17 AM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BEARA] Genealogy > > It may be a good thing, when asking questions, as well as putting down the > Christian name and surname of the person, to add the maiden name and > surname of the wife, and the place of residence (now) of the couple (as > well as the place of residence of the wife before she married); the same > (if known) of the parents of both, and also with the maiden name of the > wife in question there; the dates of birth, or approx. dates of birth, or > even the approx. years of birth, or if possible, the number or approx > number of children in the various families; or anything to help a person > try and do the necessary. You mightn't have much of the above, but send > all > you have. Often, the Priest doing the Baptism might put down the Branch > name instead of the proper surname. There are about 25 different Branch > names of the Sullivans/O'Sullivans; several for the Harringtons, > McCarthys, > etc., and if a person wasn't aware of these Branch names when sometimes > trying to sort out what the Priest has put down in the Parish Records, he > or she may be banging his/her head against a wall. > Riobard. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

The Irish Great Famine and other famines: this afternoon I got a request from a Canadian site to do an article on the Famine. In this I will be dealing with the smaller famines and previous larger ones prior the Great Famine from the perspective of English policy in Ireland, as I will the Great Famine itself. I will post a a link to the site for those interested, (Bill obliging) when carried. Slan is beannacht, Donal On 1/20/12, kerstentm@snowcrest.net <kerstentm@snowcrest.net> wrote: > Riobard, > Thanks for sharing this. I've just gotten through tracking my > Muldoon ancestors in Killyconny, County Cavan, and was > aghast to see how they suffered. The newspaper articles > made it very clear that they were desperate. Two cousins > who lived in Collops were sent to jail for stealing a cow. > All I can say is they must have been starving. > So for two questions for the Beara list, are the workhouse > records on-line? I'm happy to know where it was located and > will start searching. I've always wondered where my great great > grandparents, Jack (John) and Mary HarringtonMurphy went. > We've all > searched for their burial records with no success and for the > previous generations as well. I do know that one son took > over the farm and then it was sold. Have had good success > tracking the Murphy relatives in their travels through America > even in obscure mining towns. And have wondered if there > are death records in the Eyeries Church records? Or did > people just get so overwhelmed during the famine that it > was hard to keep track? Thanks for the stories, Theresa > Kersten (Murphy, Harrington (Uonhi and Og)) > >> Times were terrible in Ireland during the Famine, but they were desperate >> well after that. Just looking at a list of people who were forced to go, >> or >> had to go, into the Workhouse in Derrymihan, near Castletownbere (they >> were >> from all over Beara) from Feb. 1865 to April 1873 were people of all ages. >> Prevalent at the time were phthisis (or T.B.), asthma, all sorts of fever, >> bronchitis, cancer of various types, preumonia, asthma, jaundice, >> rheumatism, measles. One child brought in was 3 months old. There were >> several widows, sailors, farmers, a publican, a bagpiper,.a soldier, a >> baker, weavers, labourers, servants, miners, a national teacher, a >> shoemaker. There were (many times over) paupers as a result of the Famine, >> quite a number of people in their 90s, and a hardy woman of 110. >> Riobard. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. > http://www.snowcrest.net > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

This Canadian will certainly be interested! Reg-Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] The Workhouse. > The Irish Great Famine and other famines: this afternoon I got a > request from a Canadian site to do an article on the Famine. In this I > will be dealing with the smaller famines and previous larger ones > prior the Great Famine from the perspective of English policy in > Ireland, as I will the Great Famine itself. I will post a a link to > the site for those interested, (Bill obliging) when carried. > > Slan is beannacht, Donal > > On 1/20/12, kerstentm@snowcrest.net <kerstentm@snowcrest.net> wrote: >> Riobard, >> Thanks for sharing this. I've just gotten through tracking my >> Muldoon ancestors in Killyconny, County Cavan, and was >> aghast to see how they suffered. The newspaper articles >> made it very clear that they were desperate. Two cousins >> who lived in Collops were sent to jail for stealing a cow. >> All I can say is they must have been starving. >> So for two questions for the Beara list, are the workhouse >> records on-line? I'm happy to know where it was located and >> will start searching. I've always wondered where my great great >> grandparents, Jack (John) and Mary HarringtonMurphy went. >> We've all >> searched for their burial records with no success and for the >> previous generations as well. I do know that one son took >> over the farm and then it was sold. Have had good success >> tracking the Murphy relatives in their travels through America >> even in obscure mining towns. And have wondered if there >> are death records in the Eyeries Church records? Or did >> people just get so overwhelmed during the famine that it >> was hard to keep track? Thanks for the stories, Theresa >> Kersten (Murphy, Harrington (Uonhi and Og)) >> >>> Times were terrible in Ireland during the Famine, but they were >>> desperate >>> well after that. Just looking at a list of people who were forced to go, >>> or >>> had to go, into the Workhouse in Derrymihan, near Castletownbere (they >>> were >>> from all over Beara) from Feb. 1865 to April 1873 were people of all >>> ages. >>> Prevalent at the time were phthisis (or T.B.), asthma, all sorts of >>> fever, >>> bronchitis, cancer of various types, preumonia, asthma, jaundice, >>> rheumatism, measles. One child brought in was 3 months old. There were >>> several widows, sailors, farmers, a publican, a bagpiper,.a soldier, a >>> baker, weavers, labourers, servants, miners, a national teacher, a >>> shoemaker. There were (many times over) paupers as a result of the >>> Famine, >>> quite a number of people in their 90s, and a hardy woman of 110. >>> Riobard. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. >> http://www.snowcrest.net >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Times were terrible in Ireland during the Famine, but they were desperate well after that. Just looking at a list of people who were forced to go, or had to go, into the Workhouse in Derrymihan, near Castletownbere (they were from all over Beara) from Feb. 1865 to April 1873 were people of all ages. Prevalent at the time were phthisis (or T.B.), asthma, all sorts of fever, bronchitis, cancer of various types, preumonia, asthma, jaundice, rheumatism, measles. One child brought in was 3 months old. There were several widows, sailors, farmers, a publican, a bagpiper,.a soldier, a baker, weavers, labourers, servants, miners, a national teacher, a shoemaker. There were (many times over) paupers as a result of the Famine, quite a number of people in their 90s, and a hardy woman of 110. Riobard.

Riobard, Thanks for sharing this. I've just gotten through tracking my Muldoon ancestors in Killyconny, County Cavan, and was aghast to see how they suffered. The newspaper articles made it very clear that they were desperate. Two cousins who lived in Collops were sent to jail for stealing a cow. All I can say is they must have been starving. So for two questions for the Beara list, are the workhouse records on-line? I'm happy to know where it was located and will start searching. I've always wondered where my great great grandparents, Jack (John) and Mary HarringtonMurphy went. We've all searched for their burial records with no success and for the previous generations as well. I do know that one son took over the farm and then it was sold. Have had good success tracking the Murphy relatives in their travels through America even in obscure mining towns. And have wondered if there are death records in the Eyeries Church records? Or did people just get so overwhelmed during the famine that it was hard to keep track? Thanks for the stories, Theresa Kersten (Murphy, Harrington (Uonhi and Og)) > Times were terrible in Ireland during the Famine, but they were desperate > well after that. Just looking at a list of people who were forced to go, > or > had to go, into the Workhouse in Derrymihan, near Castletownbere (they > were > from all over Beara) from Feb. 1865 to April 1873 were people of all ages. > Prevalent at the time were phthisis (or T.B.), asthma, all sorts of fever, > bronchitis, cancer of various types, preumonia, asthma, jaundice, > rheumatism, measles. One child brought in was 3 months old. There were > several widows, sailors, farmers, a publican, a bagpiper,.a soldier, a > baker, weavers, labourers, servants, miners, a national teacher, a > shoemaker. There were (many times over) paupers as a result of the Famine, > quite a number of people in their 90s, and a hardy woman of 110. > Riobard. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. http://www.snowcrest.net

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Donal, A sobering experience, no doubt. We all are heading in the same direction. But, before I go ---- for the sake of history in Ardgroom in the Beara Peninsula ---- I must record the four haysheds one was supposed to become acquainted with before he departed this world:- Johnny Tom's, Mikie Florry's, Flor Jack's, and Johnny Morley's. A four-pronged pike was also handy for the farmer then as well !! --- Riobard. On 19 January 2012 17:00, donal O'Siodhachain <dospoet@gmail.com> wrote: > Indeed Riobard, Indeed they were ! Once at carnival time in > Knocknagree, the late John Willy Breen climbed up the ladder into the > hay barn......... and twenty-five couples were counted down. Most men > were smokers back then, so what could have happened do not bear > thinking about! > > As to remembering and recording past events, I do not mind telling you > that this year have got off to a shaky start; six good friends 'Gone > West' and all around my own age. Time to do some serious writing while > I still have time, it has been a wake up call and a sobering > experience! > > Slan is beannacht, Donal > > > > On 1/19/12, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: > > Donal, > > 'The hay sheds must have been put to more use than for providing > > hay down in Limerick !! > > Riobard. > > > > On 18 January 2012 22:44, donal O'Siodhachain <dospoet@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Yep Riobard and not just indoors either.......... more than the odd > >> poor devil caught courting in the wrong place at the wrong in the pre > >> motorcar days often and failing to keep an eye out because of the > >> business in hand, ' got the print of a four prong pike across his > >> arse' from an irate parent, well up my end of the county anyway. > >> > >> One of my funniest teen memories is seeing someone I knew and a > >> farmers daughter from a parish that shall be nameless, ( lets save > >> Bill an International law suit ) both in various states of undress in > >> full flight along the headlands a fine summer evening......... and the > >> father in full charge behind bellowing like a bull with the fore prong > >> fork held like a 98 pike man. Some tyre rubber burned out of that > >> townland that particular evening I am telling you and none of us back > >> there in a hurry! > >> > >> Ah God, such innocent times almost fifty years ago; sure a father > >> would nearly be expected to turn down the bed clothes these days and > >> give them a cup of tea afterwards! > >> > >> Slan is beannacht, Donal. > >> > >> On 1/18/12, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > *I have often heard of many ways of protecting one's house, but a > >> > fourpronged pike inside the door, for use if necessary is a new one on > >> me. > >> > Who says there is no ingenuity in Beara !! > >> > Riobard. > >> > * > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in > >> > the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)*

Indeed Riobard, Indeed they were ! Once at carnival time in Knocknagree, the late John Willy Breen climbed up the ladder into the hay barn......... and twenty-five couples were counted down. Most men were smokers back then, so what could have happened do not bear thinking about! As to remembering and recording past events, I do not mind telling you that this year have got off to a shaky start; six good friends 'Gone West' and all around my own age. Time to do some serious writing while I still have time, it has been a wake up call and a sobering experience! Slan is beannacht, Donal On 1/19/12, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: > Donal, > 'The hay sheds must have been put to more use than for providing > hay down in Limerick !! > Riobard. > > On 18 January 2012 22:44, donal O'Siodhachain <dospoet@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Yep Riobard and not just indoors either.......... more than the odd >> poor devil caught courting in the wrong place at the wrong in the pre >> motorcar days often and failing to keep an eye out because of the >> business in hand, ' got the print of a four prong pike across his >> arse' from an irate parent, well up my end of the county anyway. >> >> One of my funniest teen memories is seeing someone I knew and a >> farmers daughter from a parish that shall be nameless, ( lets save >> Bill an International law suit ) both in various states of undress in >> full flight along the headlands a fine summer evening......... and the >> father in full charge behind bellowing like a bull with the fore prong >> fork held like a 98 pike man. Some tyre rubber burned out of that >> townland that particular evening I am telling you and none of us back >> there in a hurry! >> >> Ah God, such innocent times almost fifty years ago; sure a father >> would nearly be expected to turn down the bed clothes these days and >> give them a cup of tea afterwards! >> >> Slan is beannacht, Donal. >> >> On 1/18/12, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: >> > *I have often heard of many ways of protecting one's house, but a >> > fourpronged pike inside the door, for use if necessary is a new one on >> me. >> > Who says there is no ingenuity in Beara !! >> > Riobard. >> > * >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in >> > the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

Donal, 'The hay sheds must have been put to more use than for providing hay down in Limerick !! Riobard. On 18 January 2012 22:44, donal O'Siodhachain <dospoet@gmail.com> wrote: > Yep Riobard and not just indoors either.......... more than the odd > poor devil caught courting in the wrong place at the wrong in the pre > motorcar days often and failing to keep an eye out because of the > business in hand, ' got the print of a four prong pike across his > arse' from an irate parent, well up my end of the county anyway. > > One of my funniest teen memories is seeing someone I knew and a > farmers daughter from a parish that shall be nameless, ( lets save > Bill an International law suit ) both in various states of undress in > full flight along the headlands a fine summer evening......... and the > father in full charge behind bellowing like a bull with the fore prong > fork held like a 98 pike man. Some tyre rubber burned out of that > townland that particular evening I am telling you and none of us back > there in a hurry! > > Ah God, such innocent times almost fifty years ago; sure a father > would nearly be expected to turn down the bed clothes these days and > give them a cup of tea afterwards! > > Slan is beannacht, Donal. > > On 1/18/12, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: > > *I have often heard of many ways of protecting one's house, but a > > fourpronged pike inside the door, for use if necessary is a new one on > me. > > Who says there is no ingenuity in Beara !! > > Riobard. > > * > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)*