I would also be interested in any information on the Lynch's from Glengarriff/ Eyeries/Cahirkeem. Marita- Seattle On Jan 22, 2012, at 4:15 PM, KTRACY1999@aol.com wrote: > > I would love someone to tell me if the Lynch's or the Shea's of > Glengarriff had a branch name. > > Kathleen~CT. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Reg, some glitch there in the last post, so I will try to post these addresses again. As before, just remove the spaces to make a live link! http: // groups. yahoo. com/ group/ hilloftara/ message/ 14806 http:/ /www. seandalaiocht. com/ 1/ post/ 2010/3/ archaeology-ireland-journal- index. html http:/ /www. dispatch .com/ content/ stories/ science/2 012/01/ 22/ technology-offers-peek-into-past. html Slan is beannacht, Donal O On 1/26/12, donal O'Siodhachain <dospoet@gmail.com> wrote: > Reg a chara uasal, > > Oops, 'senior moment' here, sorry, I forgot about Bills em site > address 'stripper' so here goes again, just remove the spaces and all > should be live again. > > there is quite a bit done on Tara actually, it is only a matter of > knowing where to look for it in the public domain. Here is your > starting point, Google.... > > Dr george eogan + tara archaeology exploration > > This should throw up around 45,000 references for you, but a word of > warning 'watch the ol blood pressure' when you start reading as most > of the most of the entries of recent years concern the opposition to > attempts of the Government to run a bloody main arterial road close to > the hill and through proven archaeological remains of significance and > probably of vital importance, in an act of unparalleled State > vandalism unseen in Ireland since the days of Cromwell! > > This is the last reference I have in my files from last month and you > can start from there. > http:// groups. yahoo. com/ group/ hilloftara/ message/ 14806 > > Good hunting, George, who it is my privilege to know and to have > associated with at one stage of my life, have over twenty years of > exploration and excavation done. Once you work out your own search > definitions you should be able to get some very satisfying information > as a wealth of material of from George's and other digs have been > written up only to source it. > > You may also find this useful..... Archaeology Ireland ( quarterly > magazine ) as this is the main one for professionals or others > interested in this whole area. This reference Reg from March last year > is especially useful and it will take you straight into the business > end of things. > > http:// www. seandalaiocht. com/1/post/ 2010/3/ > archaeology-ireland-journal-index. html > > Enjoy and keep me posted on progress ! As to your question, Much of > the 'above ground' structures of Newgrange, having been build of stone > and earth, survived into our own time. With Tara the 'above ground', > feasting and other halls were all made out of wood with tached roofs > and even without wars and fires etc, they had finite time of a few > generations at most. > > I get the Daily Grail. com newsletter as I find the the eclectic mix it > presents has a bit of everything and I find it great to keep a finger > on the pulse of what is happening in a broad spectrum of interest. > This is from todays and relate to similar technology, but from nearer > your own neck of the woods. > > http:// www. dispatch.com/ content/stories/ science/ 2012/01/22/ > technology-offers-peek-into-past. html > > Slan is beannacht, Donal O > > On 1/26/12, donal O'Siodhachain <dospoet@gmail.com> wrote: >> Reg a chara uasal, >> >> there is quite a bit done on Tara actually, it is only a matter of >> knowing where to look for it in the public domain. Here is your >> starting point, Google.... >> >> Dr george eogan + tara archaeology exploration >> >> This should throw up around 45,000 references for you, but a word of >> warning 'watch the ol blood pressure' when you start reading as most >> of the most of the entries of recent years concern the opposition to >> attempts of the Government to run a bloody main arterial road close to >> the hill and through proven archaeological remains of significance and >> probably of vital importance, in an act of unparalleled State >> vandalism unseen in Ireland since the days of Cromwell! >> >> This is the last reference I have in my files from last month and you >> can start from there. >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hilloftara/message/14806 >> >> Good hunting, George, who it is my privilege to know and to have >> associated with at one stage of my life, have over twenty years of >> exploration and excavation done. Once you work out your own search >> definitions you should be able to get some very satisfying information >> as a wealth of material of from George's and other digs have been >> written up only to source it. >> >> You may also find this useful..... Archaeology Ireland ( quarterly >> magazine ) as this is the main one for professionals or others >> interested in this whole area. This reference Reg from March last year >> is especially useful and it will take you straight into the business >> end of things. >> >> http://www.seandalaiocht.com/1/post/2010/3/archaeology-ireland-journal-index.html >> >> Enjoy and keep me posted on progress ! As to your question, Much of >> the 'above ground' structures of Newgrange, having been build of stone >> and earth, survived into our own time. With Tara the 'above ground', >> feasting and other halls were all made out of wood with tached roofs >> and even without wars and fires etc, they had finite time of a few >> generations at most. >> >> I get the Daily Grail.com newsletter as I find the the eclectic mix it >> presents has a bit of everything and I find it great to keep a finger >> on the pulse of what is happening in a broad spectrum of interest. >> This is from todays and relate to similar technology, but from nearer >> your own neck of the woods. >> >> http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/science/2012/01/22/technology-offers-peek-into-past.html >> >> Slan is beannacht, Donal O >> >> >> >> On 1/25/12, Reg Volk <regvolk@shaw.ca> wrote: >>> Thanks, donal. >>> >>> I have actually been to Newgrange and it has a great 'interpretive' >>> center. >>> >>> But I just do not get why Newgrange has so much and Tara so little?? >>> >>> CHEERS-Reg >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> >>> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 1:34 PM >>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Tara Ancestry >>> >>> >>>> Reg, off the top of my head, nothing comes to mind. A guy, Breennan I >>>> think, did a large format book on NewGrange that is worth a look at as >>>> while his conclusions as to the use of the structure are speculative >>>> and are a possibility rather than a probability, the line drawings and >>>> illustrations are pretty good. >>>> >>>> If back to base the weekend, I should have a copy in my library and >>>> post details. I will also enquire re Tara. Also look up the legend of >>>> Cael and Crede in the Fianna sagas for a Caels poem to creed for a >>>> good description of a house of the period. Also the Cattle raid at >>>> Cooley has a dialogue between Queen Mave and her husband the king of >>>> Connacht in bed where they compare their respective assets. It is a >>>> fine insight into some of the goods of a High Status family at that >>>> period. >>>> >>>> Newgrange is Northern Europe's oldest building, for those who do not >>>> know of it, this is a good starting point. A google search of >>>> 'Newgrange Ireland' will throw up a good selection of entries also. >>>> http://www.knowth.com/newgrange.htm >>>> >>>> Slan is beannacht, Donal. >>>> >>>> PS For those who follow my political writings, I am banned from >>>> slugger otoole.com indefinitely. Long story, Brit spook 'clever >>>> Charlies' were using pseudo poster personas to denigrate Irish >>>> Nationalism and Republicanism and I set out to expose this, so it >>>> upset a few people! >>>> >>>> On 1/25/12, Reg Volk <regvolk@shaw.ca> wrote: >>>>> Maybe a little out of the purvey of the list but... >>>>> >>>>> I am looking for a good book of drawings /illustrations of what Tara >>>>> may >>>>> have looked like (inside?) in various time periods. Yes I have seen >>>>> lots >>>>> >>>>> of >>>>> current pictures. Anything available? as this may have been the home >>>>> of >>>>> many of our Irish ascendants. >>>>> >>>>> Yes I realize this may/would be imaginary but surely someone has had a >>>>> go?? >>>>> >>>>> CHEERS-Reg-Canada >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes >>>>> >>>>> in >>>>> the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >

Reg a chara uasal, Oops, 'senior moment' here, sorry, I forgot about Bills em site address 'stripper' so here goes again, just remove the spaces and all should be live again. there is quite a bit done on Tara actually, it is only a matter of knowing where to look for it in the public domain. Here is your starting point, Google.... Dr george eogan + tara archaeology exploration This should throw up around 45,000 references for you, but a word of warning 'watch the ol blood pressure' when you start reading as most of the most of the entries of recent years concern the opposition to attempts of the Government to run a bloody main arterial road close to the hill and through proven archaeological remains of significance and probably of vital importance, in an act of unparalleled State vandalism unseen in Ireland since the days of Cromwell! This is the last reference I have in my files from last month and you can start from there. http:// groups. yahoo. com/ group/ hilloftara/ message/ 14806 Good hunting, George, who it is my privilege to know and to have associated with at one stage of my life, have over twenty years of exploration and excavation done. Once you work out your own search definitions you should be able to get some very satisfying information as a wealth of material of from George's and other digs have been written up only to source it. You may also find this useful..... Archaeology Ireland ( quarterly magazine ) as this is the main one for professionals or others interested in this whole area. This reference Reg from March last year is especially useful and it will take you straight into the business end of things. http:// www. seandalaiocht. com/1/post/ 2010/3/ archaeology-ireland-journal-index. html Enjoy and keep me posted on progress ! As to your question, Much of the 'above ground' structures of Newgrange, having been build of stone and earth, survived into our own time. With Tara the 'above ground', feasting and other halls were all made out of wood with tached roofs and even without wars and fires etc, they had finite time of a few generations at most. I get the Daily Grail. com newsletter as I find the the eclectic mix it presents has a bit of everything and I find it great to keep a finger on the pulse of what is happening in a broad spectrum of interest. This is from todays and relate to similar technology, but from nearer your own neck of the woods. http:// www. dispatch.com/ content/stories/ science/ 2012/01/22/ technology-offers-peek-into-past. html Slan is beannacht, Donal O On 1/26/12, donal O'Siodhachain <dospoet@gmail.com> wrote: > Reg a chara uasal, > > there is quite a bit done on Tara actually, it is only a matter of > knowing where to look for it in the public domain. Here is your > starting point, Google.... > > Dr george eogan + tara archaeology exploration > > This should throw up around 45,000 references for you, but a word of > warning 'watch the ol blood pressure' when you start reading as most > of the most of the entries of recent years concern the opposition to > attempts of the Government to run a bloody main arterial road close to > the hill and through proven archaeological remains of significance and > probably of vital importance, in an act of unparalleled State > vandalism unseen in Ireland since the days of Cromwell! > > This is the last reference I have in my files from last month and you > can start from there. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hilloftara/message/14806 > > Good hunting, George, who it is my privilege to know and to have > associated with at one stage of my life, have over twenty years of > exploration and excavation done. Once you work out your own search > definitions you should be able to get some very satisfying information > as a wealth of material of from George's and other digs have been > written up only to source it. > > You may also find this useful..... Archaeology Ireland ( quarterly > magazine ) as this is the main one for professionals or others > interested in this whole area. This reference Reg from March last year > is especially useful and it will take you straight into the business > end of things. > > http://www.seandalaiocht.com/1/post/2010/3/archaeology-ireland-journal-index.html > > Enjoy and keep me posted on progress ! As to your question, Much of > the 'above ground' structures of Newgrange, having been build of stone > and earth, survived into our own time. With Tara the 'above ground', > feasting and other halls were all made out of wood with tached roofs > and even without wars and fires etc, they had finite time of a few > generations at most. > > I get the Daily Grail.com newsletter as I find the the eclectic mix it > presents has a bit of everything and I find it great to keep a finger > on the pulse of what is happening in a broad spectrum of interest. > This is from todays and relate to similar technology, but from nearer > your own neck of the woods. > > http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/science/2012/01/22/technology-offers-peek-into-past.html > > Slan is beannacht, Donal O > > > > On 1/25/12, Reg Volk <regvolk@shaw.ca> wrote: >> Thanks, donal. >> >> I have actually been to Newgrange and it has a great 'interpretive' >> center. >> >> But I just do not get why Newgrange has so much and Tara so little?? >> >> CHEERS-Reg >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> >> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 1:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Tara Ancestry >> >> >>> Reg, off the top of my head, nothing comes to mind. A guy, Breennan I >>> think, did a large format book on NewGrange that is worth a look at as >>> while his conclusions as to the use of the structure are speculative >>> and are a possibility rather than a probability, the line drawings and >>> illustrations are pretty good. >>> >>> If back to base the weekend, I should have a copy in my library and >>> post details. I will also enquire re Tara. Also look up the legend of >>> Cael and Crede in the Fianna sagas for a Caels poem to creed for a >>> good description of a house of the period. Also the Cattle raid at >>> Cooley has a dialogue between Queen Mave and her husband the king of >>> Connacht in bed where they compare their respective assets. It is a >>> fine insight into some of the goods of a High Status family at that >>> period. >>> >>> Newgrange is Northern Europe's oldest building, for those who do not >>> know of it, this is a good starting point. A google search of >>> 'Newgrange Ireland' will throw up a good selection of entries also. >>> http://www.knowth.com/newgrange.htm >>> >>> Slan is beannacht, Donal. >>> >>> PS For those who follow my political writings, I am banned from >>> slugger otoole.com indefinitely. Long story, Brit spook 'clever >>> Charlies' were using pseudo poster personas to denigrate Irish >>> Nationalism and Republicanism and I set out to expose this, so it >>> upset a few people! >>> >>> On 1/25/12, Reg Volk <regvolk@shaw.ca> wrote: >>>> Maybe a little out of the purvey of the list but... >>>> >>>> I am looking for a good book of drawings /illustrations of what Tara >>>> may >>>> have looked like (inside?) in various time periods. Yes I have seen >>>> lots >>>> >>>> of >>>> current pictures. Anything available? as this may have been the home >>>> of >>>> many of our Irish ascendants. >>>> >>>> Yes I realize this may/would be imaginary but surely someone has had a >>>> go?? >>>> >>>> CHEERS-Reg-Canada >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> >>>> in >>>> the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >

Reg a chara uasal, there is quite a bit done on Tara actually, it is only a matter of knowing where to look for it in the public domain. Here is your starting point, Google.... Dr george eogan + tara archaeology exploration This should throw up around 45,000 references for you, but a word of warning 'watch the ol blood pressure' when you start reading as most of the most of the entries of recent years concern the opposition to attempts of the Government to run a bloody main arterial road close to the hill and through proven archaeological remains of significance and probably of vital importance, in an act of unparalleled State vandalism unseen in Ireland since the days of Cromwell! This is the last reference I have in my files from last month and you can start from there. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hilloftara/message/14806 Good hunting, George, who it is my privilege to know and to have associated with at one stage of my life, have over twenty years of exploration and excavation done. Once you work out your own search definitions you should be able to get some very satisfying information as a wealth of material of from George's and other digs have been written up only to source it. You may also find this useful..... Archaeology Ireland ( quarterly magazine ) as this is the main one for professionals or others interested in this whole area. This reference Reg from March last year is especially useful and it will take you straight into the business end of things. http://www.seandalaiocht.com/1/post/2010/3/archaeology-ireland-journal-index.html Enjoy and keep me posted on progress ! As to your question, Much of the 'above ground' structures of Newgrange, having been build of stone and earth, survived into our own time. With Tara the 'above ground', feasting and other halls were all made out of wood with tached roofs and even without wars and fires etc, they had finite time of a few generations at most. I get the Daily Grail.com newsletter as I find the the eclectic mix it presents has a bit of everything and I find it great to keep a finger on the pulse of what is happening in a broad spectrum of interest. This is from todays and relate to similar technology, but from nearer your own neck of the woods. http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/science/2012/01/22/technology-offers-peek-into-past.html Slan is beannacht, Donal O On 1/25/12, Reg Volk <regvolk@shaw.ca> wrote: > Thanks, donal. > > I have actually been to Newgrange and it has a great 'interpretive' center. > > But I just do not get why Newgrange has so much and Tara so little?? > > CHEERS-Reg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> > To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 1:34 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Tara Ancestry > > >> Reg, off the top of my head, nothing comes to mind. A guy, Breennan I >> think, did a large format book on NewGrange that is worth a look at as >> while his conclusions as to the use of the structure are speculative >> and are a possibility rather than a probability, the line drawings and >> illustrations are pretty good. >> >> If back to base the weekend, I should have a copy in my library and >> post details. I will also enquire re Tara. Also look up the legend of >> Cael and Crede in the Fianna sagas for a Caels poem to creed for a >> good description of a house of the period. Also the Cattle raid at >> Cooley has a dialogue between Queen Mave and her husband the king of >> Connacht in bed where they compare their respective assets. It is a >> fine insight into some of the goods of a High Status family at that >> period. >> >> Newgrange is Northern Europe's oldest building, for those who do not >> know of it, this is a good starting point. A google search of >> 'Newgrange Ireland' will throw up a good selection of entries also. >> http://www.knowth.com/newgrange.htm >> >> Slan is beannacht, Donal. >> >> PS For those who follow my political writings, I am banned from >> slugger otoole.com indefinitely. Long story, Brit spook 'clever >> Charlies' were using pseudo poster personas to denigrate Irish >> Nationalism and Republicanism and I set out to expose this, so it >> upset a few people! >> >> On 1/25/12, Reg Volk <regvolk@shaw.ca> wrote: >>> Maybe a little out of the purvey of the list but... >>> >>> I am looking for a good book of drawings /illustrations of what Tara may >>> have looked like (inside?) in various time periods. Yes I have seen lots >>> >>> of >>> current pictures. Anything available? as this may have been the home of >>> many of our Irish ascendants. >>> >>> Yes I realize this may/would be imaginary but surely someone has had a >>> go?? >>> >>> CHEERS-Reg-Canada >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> >>> in >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Reg or anyone who could make a connection for me. My g grandfather was Adam Faulkner from county Antrim Born oct. 31, 1837. He was the son of William Faulkner and Anne Marie Holmes. Adam arrived in the U.S. on the 16th of May 1857 the 1860 census has him married to Eliz. Kyle and living in Bristol, R.I. I have . Thanks for any help. found other Faulkners in Bristol and don't know if they are related. I would like to know if there is any information about his parents and family in Ireland. Winter in E.Pennsylvania has not been too bad. Our first snowfall was three days ago and had quickly disappeared. Looking forward to spring. Dot -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Reg Volk Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 2:57 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: [BEARA] Research?? Thoroughly enjoying Irish author, James Stephen's Faery Tales-especially the one about Carl and Cael's race! i.e. how to keep foreigners out of Ireland! It can be read online thru Gutenberg. I do have some extra Winter time on my hands and would be glad to look at anyone's Irish research/brickwalls-but ye must try to be specific! i.e. what do you have/what do you still look for? regvolk@shaw.ca Cold in British Columbia Canada.-I am in the Okanagan valley-yes a fruit/wine producing area! (30C + in the summer) Supposed to get to -20C tonight but it won't last- OC is normal. How are YOU holding up to Winter??-what keeps you warm? CHEERS-Stay Warm-Reg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dot Ironically, my birthday is also October 31st! There seems to also be sons William and George with this family. Do you have anything on them? Another site seems to indicate there is also a William and Ann, as children, unless the parent's birth years are mixed up?? Antrim is actually outside of this list area. CHEERS-Reg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dot Leinhauser" <Dot@TeqKnow.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Research?? > Hi Reg or anyone who could make a connection for me. > > My g grandfather was Adam Faulkner from county Antrim Born oct. 31, 1837. > He was the son of William Faulkner and Anne Marie Holmes. Adam arrived in > the U.S. on the 16th of May 1857 the 1860 census has him married to Eliz. > Kyle and living in Bristol, R.I. I have . Thanks for any help. > found other Faulkners in Bristol and don't know if they are related. > > I would like to know if there is any information about his parents and > family in Ireland. > > Winter in E.Pennsylvania has not been too bad. Our first snowfall was > three > days ago and had quickly disappeared. Looking forward to spring. Dot > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Reg Volk > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 2:57 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BEARA] Research?? > > Thoroughly enjoying Irish author, James Stephen's Faery Tales-especially > the > one about Carl and Cael's race! i.e. how to keep foreigners out of > Ireland! > It can be read online thru Gutenberg. > > I do have some extra Winter time on my hands and would be glad to look at > anyone's Irish research/brickwalls-but ye must try to be specific! i.e. > what > do you have/what do you still look for? > > regvolk@shaw.ca > > Cold in British Columbia Canada.-I am in the Okanagan valley-yes a > fruit/wine producing area! (30C + in the summer) Supposed to get to -20C > tonight but it won't last- OC is normal. > > How are YOU holding up to Winter??-what keeps you warm? > > CHEERS-Stay Warm-Reg > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Reg, off the top of my head, nothing comes to mind. A guy, Breennan I think, did a large format book on NewGrange that is worth a look at as while his conclusions as to the use of the structure are speculative and are a possibility rather than a probability, the line drawings and illustrations are pretty good. If back to base the weekend, I should have a copy in my library and post details. I will also enquire re Tara. Also look up the legend of Cael and Crede in the Fianna sagas for a Caels poem to creed for a good description of a house of the period. Also the Cattle raid at Cooley has a dialogue between Queen Mave and her husband the king of Connacht in bed where they compare their respective assets. It is a fine insight into some of the goods of a High Status family at that period. Newgrange is Northern Europe's oldest building, for those who do not know of it, this is a good starting point. A google search of 'Newgrange Ireland' will throw up a good selection of entries also. http://www.knowth.com/newgrange.htm Slan is beannacht, Donal. PS For those who follow my political writings, I am banned from slugger otoole.com indefinitely. Long story, Brit spook 'clever Charlies' were using pseudo poster personas to denigrate Irish Nationalism and Republicanism and I set out to expose this, so it upset a few people! On 1/25/12, Reg Volk <regvolk@shaw.ca> wrote: > Maybe a little out of the purvey of the list but... > > I am looking for a good book of drawings /illustrations of what Tara may > have looked like (inside?) in various time periods. Yes I have seen lots of > current pictures. Anything available? as this may have been the home of > many of our Irish ascendants. > > Yes I realize this may/would be imaginary but surely someone has had a go?? > > CHEERS-Reg-Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks, donal. I have actually been to Newgrange and it has a great 'interpretive' center. But I just do not get why Newgrange has so much and Tara so little?? CHEERS-Reg ----- Original Message ----- From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Tara Ancestry > Reg, off the top of my head, nothing comes to mind. A guy, Breennan I > think, did a large format book on NewGrange that is worth a look at as > while his conclusions as to the use of the structure are speculative > and are a possibility rather than a probability, the line drawings and > illustrations are pretty good. > > If back to base the weekend, I should have a copy in my library and > post details. I will also enquire re Tara. Also look up the legend of > Cael and Crede in the Fianna sagas for a Caels poem to creed for a > good description of a house of the period. Also the Cattle raid at > Cooley has a dialogue between Queen Mave and her husband the king of > Connacht in bed where they compare their respective assets. It is a > fine insight into some of the goods of a High Status family at that > period. > > Newgrange is Northern Europe's oldest building, for those who do not > know of it, this is a good starting point. A google search of > 'Newgrange Ireland' will throw up a good selection of entries also. > http://www.knowth.com/newgrange.htm > > Slan is beannacht, Donal. > > PS For those who follow my political writings, I am banned from > slugger otoole.com indefinitely. Long story, Brit spook 'clever > Charlies' were using pseudo poster personas to denigrate Irish > Nationalism and Republicanism and I set out to expose this, so it > upset a few people! > > On 1/25/12, Reg Volk <regvolk@shaw.ca> wrote: >> Maybe a little out of the purvey of the list but... >> >> I am looking for a good book of drawings /illustrations of what Tara may >> have looked like (inside?) in various time periods. Yes I have seen lots >> of >> current pictures. Anything available? as this may have been the home of >> many of our Irish ascendants. >> >> Yes I realize this may/would be imaginary but surely someone has had a >> go?? >> >> CHEERS-Reg-Canada >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Maybe a little out of the purvey of the list but... I am looking for a good book of drawings /illustrations of what Tara may have looked like (inside?) in various time periods. Yes I have seen lots of current pictures. Anything available? as this may have been the home of many of our Irish ascendants. Yes I realize this may/would be imaginary but surely someone has had a go?? CHEERS-Reg-Canada

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Hi Maggie, not too difficult, there is a family in the Sliabh Luachra called 'The Buckley Alainns' Alainn is handsome, good looking, lovely appearance etc. This nickname arose from a family member and while it was not very common, as the people so labeled had to be exceptionally good looking to merit the title ( or sometimes applied sarcastically to an person not well blessed with good looks, so do not get carried away! ) There is also a more esoteric explanation that I needs a little more detail. ( trying to curtail the post lengths out of respect to other posters) When the language changed, the nick names followed into English and some such as 'The Lovelies' when taken out of their cultural context can seem to jar. No such difficulty in Irish. " Dathi O Bruadar a poet of the 17th, century exasperated at the lack of subtlety in the incoming language described English as ' A but fit to sell pigs in ! Slan is beannacht. Donal O On 1/23/12, donal O'Siodhachain <dospoet@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Kathleen, > > of course you can.... that is why I post here and why I suggested our > sister page to Bill for longer articles, I do so to be helpful and > share knowledge. However I should also say that my historical posts > on another site have been described as 'designed to pull Orange tits' > ....as if I would. Well not more than twice a week anyway! > > You may have missed the explanation that I gave some months back for > the branch of the Sullivans who go by the 'nick name' of 'Coolies' or > 'Coolys' ( Bear in mind that when English officialdom were recording > names they spelled out the sound as it seemed to the recorder. It is > not unusual to find the same person referred to with different > spelling by two individuals even in the same document) > > 'Coolie' families can be found from Cul Aodha in West Cork to Letrim > all along the route of Donal Cam's retreat. 'Cul'.....means back, > rear, bottom (of sack) etc. Troid...quarrel, dispute, fight etc. Na > Cul Troidi in Gaelic sounded like 'cool three' to English ears, > > In Donal Cam's retreat, given the harsh conditions of war wounds, > experienced people knew that once they got certain wounds, on the > balance they would die in the coming day or days even it they could > still march and do a limited fight. Such men were expendable and > fought in the rearguard. Many died there in combat or from previous > wounds but some did survive and all along the trail these recovered > survivors became part of the local community. The men were as good in > bed as in the battlefield, so there are a fair amount of 'Coolie' who > are Sullivans still around along the line of the march. One of my > brothers is actually married to one such descendant.. > > I will recall and list for you some more of these names and I am sure > it will also jog Riobard's memory to come up with a few more. > > For now a favorite joke of the Late Ronald Regan re nicknames..... > > During WW2 a German paratrooper is parachuted at night into the West > of Ireland over a where he is to make contact with a local. Village > located Ok, he lands successfully, buries his chute and uniform and > heads into village. He counts out five houses from the end of the > village, knocks on the door. > > A man opens the door, the German in his best English accent says " > The moon always rises in the West" No Response ! The German repeats it > again and adds " you are Mr Murphy, no? " > > The mans face lights up " Ah Jezus I am with you now, alright, but you > started at the wrong end of the village, you should be up five houses > on the other side, I am Murphy 'The Post', sure tis Murphy 'The Spy' > you want".! > > In WW 2 a plane did make a forced landing in my home region, it was > not well guarded by the Local Defense Force and the local teenagers > were allowed all over it. One fired the engine, it just spluttered but > it was nose down and the prop tip clipped the backside of another teen > lad. He was known as 'the pilot' until the day he died! > > Slan is beannacht, Donal O > > On 1/22/12, sbcglobal <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> Donal: >> What a wonderful explanation on how nickname surnames came about. I >> would >> like to use this on the Eoganacht septs website to help others understand >> as >> well. With your permission of course. >> >> Kathleen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> >> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Sullivan Dandy >> >> >> Riobard : while we too had the 'Dandees' and the 'Johndees' in the >> Sliabh Luchra part of the County, occasionally the name was acquired >> by someone who wore 'sunday clothes' every day or who dressed >> unusually neat. This 'Dandy' was often held by returned Yanks who were >> dressed rather snappy. >> >> To one returned yank anyone that he did not agree with was a 'God >> dammed gopher' and so he and his family quickly became 'The Gophers' >> >> Like a lot home births in the fifties, I was born in my grandmother's >> house as the midwife was in the second next farm. Once without >> thinking when passing this town land in business clothes I stopped the >> car and hopped in over a ditch carrying a brief case ( not a sight any >> farmer welcomes, it usually means trouble ) >> >> The farmer came round on his tractor stopped and then suddenly >> realized who was there and exploded " Wisha the devil fire you >> sideways into kingdom come, Dan, Biddy, Ellie, Jackie, you have put >> the heart crossways in me"! Whatever my Gaelic or English names or >> surnames in common usage, there in that townland where I was born, I >> will always be named for, and my identity will come through my late >> mother and grandmother! >> >> It was quite common in Sliabh Luachra for even grandchildren of a >> woman of character to carry her personal name or nickname instead of a >> surname. I 'ran the post' as a relief postman in when I was seventeen >> and it was only when delivering letters that I found out who some >> people were correctly named even though they were in the same end of >> the parish and I had known them all my life.. >> >> Slan is beannacht, Donal O >> >> On 1/22/12, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Dear Marge, Leesa, and Kathleen, >>> To answer Marge's >>> question: ALL Branch Names wouldn't be confined to specific townlands or >>> areas. >>> To Leesa: Sullivan "the >>> Boat" would come from boatmen. >>> To answer Kathleen: >>> Sullivan "Dandy". The Dandy comes from Dan D. A family at home were >>> known >>> as the Johndees ---- from John D. >>> --- Riobard. >>> >>> On 22 January 2012 19:48, carrignua <carrignua@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Does anyone know the origin of Sillivan "The Boat?" Is it evan a >>>> branch >>>> name? >>>> Ny Nother didn't have any Irish and didn't know how "The Boat" was >>>> tacked >>>> on >>>> to her name and that of her brothers and sisters. There was no boat in >>>> the >>>> family as far back as she could remember. >>>> Leesa in Oregon >>>> Daughter of Nora "The Boat" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> >>>> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:12 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Sullivan Dandy >>>> >>>> >>>> Does anyone know of the origin of the Sullivan Dandy surname? >>>> >>>> They were originally came from area known as Beara Peninsula on the >>>> border >>>> of County Kerry (East of Kenmare) and County Cork. >>>> >>>> Kathleen >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> >>>> To: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com>; <beara@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:12 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy - family tree and branch YDNA >>>> >>>> >>>> > Donal: >>>> > I found the pdf file. It does appear that he did blood group studies >>>> > and >>>> > not YDNA. Blood group will not have enough information, >>>> > unfortunately. >>>> > >>>> > I am looking forward to reading this paper in depth to see if I can >>>> > glean >>>> > anything that relates to our YDNA research and family study research. >>>> > >>>> > Our research is based on DNA genealogy which links family history and >>>> YDNA >>>> > to identify actual family trees and branches. Population genetics is >>>> > based on probabilities and possibilities. Of course, because our >>>> > YDNA >>>> > results are limited to those who have taken the YDNA test and have >>>> > joined >>>> > our projects (Eoganacht septs, South Irish and Sullivan) many of the >>>> > family trees will still only represent probabilities and >>>> > possibilities. >>>> > We need YDNA of those who are identified as clearly belonging to >>>> Eoganacht >>>> > septs and clans to add to the backbone of our research. We have a >>>> > long >>>> > list of those with strong family histories that form the backbone of >>>> > our >>>> > research. >>>> > >>>> > Would you know of the existence of an in-depth Eoganacht surname >>>> > lists >>>> > including cadet branches? My list includes the following to date >>>> > which >>>> > I >>>> > know is just the tip of the iceberg (most in the list are Sullivan >>>> > clans >>>> > and cadets): >>>> > >>>> > Barrule, Barry, Bawn, Bogue, Bowe, Bowes, Breac, Brohill, Buaig, >>>> Cahalane, >>>> > Ceartan, Claddy, Cohu, Connelly, Crah, Croumhane, Cumba, Doran, >>>> > Doyle, >>>> > Drummand, Fune, Giles, Gill, Glanny, Glas, Gow, Hayes, Hea, Hurrig, >>>> Keagh, >>>> > Labhras, Lowney, Lynch, MacArthy, MacAuliffe, MacCarthy, MacCragh, >>>> > MacCrohan, O'Donoghue, MacGillicudy, MacGrath, Maol, Masters, >>>> > McAuliffe, >>>> > McCarter, McCarthy, McCarty, McGill, McGillicuddy, McGillicudy, >>>> > McShane, >>>> > Mongan, Mor, O'Bogue, O'Callaghan, O'Cannifree, >>>> > O'Cohalane/O'Coughlan, >>>> > O'Connell, O'Cronin, O'Dennehy, O'Donnell, O'Duggan, O'Feehan, >>>> O'Flahiffe, >>>> > O'Flynn, O'Keefe, O'Kirby, O'Leary, O'Long, O'Mahoney, O'Moriarty, >>>> > O'Neill, O'Sullivan, Rabach, Rochtirre, Rua, Seer, Shearhig, Silver, >>>> > Skilty, Sughrues, Sullivan, Suonish, Tailor, Ukirre, Uonhi, Vallif, >>>> > Vera >>>> > >>>> > I also need to find histories for all Eoganacht septs and clans that >>>> match >>>> > the surnames. I am building the larger picture of the Eoganachts >>>> > through >>>> > their descendent YDNA. To date approximately 50% have the South >>>> > Irish >>>> > modal haplotype. My research includes all those descendents with >>>> > Eoganacht surnames, as well as those who are South Irish and do-not >>>> > have >>>> > Eoganacht surnames. With the inclusive approach, I believe the >>>> > complete >>>> > picture of the Eoganachts will be understood. >>>> > >>>> > Perhaps you can refer me to those who have studied the Eoganachts in >>>> > detail. I would like to collaborate with them to build out the >>>> > complete >>>> > picture of the Eoganachts. >>>> > >>>> > Kathleen >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> >>>> > To: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net>; <beara@rootsweb.com> >>>> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:37 PM >>>> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy - family tree and branch YDNA >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Hi Kathleen, >>>> > >>>> > are you aware of the studies conducted by Dr Albert Casey into blood >>>> > types in Sliabh Luachra in the 50/60 ? As the work was done by a >>>> > qualified professional, you may find something of use in his work in >>>> > your own research. >>>> > >>>> > If you do not know of these studies, this reference will give you a >>>> > starting point. >>>> > >>>> > Casey's Remarkable Collection >>>> > www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/pdf/caseyaid.pdfFile<http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Eirlker/pdf/caseyaid.pdfFile>Format: >>>> > PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View >>>> > collection of works edited by Dr. Albert Eugene Casey entitled >>>> > O'Kief, >>>> > .... And Collector of Historical Records” by T.E. Dowling 3 in Sliabh >>>> > Luachra, ... here and there are found pages of craniometrics, >>>> > pathologies, blood group studies, etc. which >>>> > >>>> > Slan is beannacht, Donal O ... >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On 1/21/12, sbcglobal <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>> >> Marge: >>>> >> I have been working with Dr. Anatole Klyosov regarding the building >>>> >> of >>>> >> a >>>> >> repeatable process using his work for calculating mutation rates for >>>> >> family >>>> >> trees and branches. I do the work, regarding the interpretation of >>>> >> his >>>> >> work, and he has been gracious enough to review my work for accuracy >>>> >> and >>>> >> whether it fairly represents his work. >>>> >> >>>> >> The result is that we can build family trees and branches within a >>>> >> reasonable range. That this means to us is that if I can find >>>> >> enough >>>> >> YDNA >>>> >> results in a cluster (related) that I can build a family tree that >>>> >> can >>>> >> fairly represent relationships to rebuild septs and clans. >>>> >> >>>> >> My next work break is Feb 17th, at which time I'll start the cluster >>>> >> analysis for all the south Irish modal haplotypes I have in our >>>> >> current >>>> >> study group. I overlap these results with our family stories (such >>>> >> as >>>> >> the >>>> >> one you contributed for your family). Then we view the family tree >>>> >> results >>>> >> interpreting relationships with the confirmed cluster YDNA and >>>> >> family >>>> >> stories. This will yield a compelling story. >>>> >> >>>> >> I'm looking forward conferring with you and finding out the >>>> >> additional >>>> >> family stories you have uncovered. >>>> >> >>>> >> I have a long list of branch names for the Sullivan's and need to >>>> >> build >>>> >> out >>>> >> all branch names for the other Eoganacht septs and clans. Let me >>>> >> know >>>> if >>>> >> you come across any that you can send me. >>>> >> >>>> >> Kathleen >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >> From: "Marge Sullivan" <hjmcs@optonline.net> >>>> >> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> >>>> >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:45 AM >>>> >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>> Dear Riobard: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Do branch names tend to be confined to specific townlands, or >>>> >>> areas----at >>>> >>> least early on. I'm wondering if some are more likely to occur in >>>> >>> Beara, >>>> >>> than other areas of Cork. Of course, people did move around, but >>>> >>> perhaps >>>> >>> there was some tendency to stay close to a "homebase" or ancestral >>>> >>> lands. >>>> >>> Something like that. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Marge >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> >>> From: Riobard O' Dwyer >>>> >>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:17 AM >>>> >>> To: beara@rootsweb.com >>>> >>> Subject: [BEARA] Genealogy >>>> >>> >>>> >>> It may be a good thing, when asking questions, as well as putting >>>> >>> down >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> Christian name and surname of the person, to add the maiden name >>>> >>> and >>>> >>> surname of the wife, and the place of residence (now) of the couple >>>> >>> (as >>>> >>> well as the place of residence of the wife before she married); the >>>> same >>>> >>> (if known) of the parents of both, and also with the maiden name of >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> wife in question there; the dates of birth, or approx. dates of >>>> >>> birth, >>>> >>> or >>>> >>> even the approx. years of birth, or if possible, the number or >>>> >>> approx >>>> >>> number of children in the various families; or anything to help a >>>> person >>>> >>> try and do the necessary. You mightn't have much of the above, but >>>> >>> send >>>> >>> all >>>> >>> you have. Often, the Priest doing the Baptism might put down the >>>> Branch >>>> >>> name instead of the proper surname. There are about 25 different >>>> >>> Branch >>>> >>> names of the Sullivans/O'Sullivans; several for the Harringtons, >>>> >>> McCarthys, >>>> >>> etc., and if a person wasn't aware of these Branch names when >>>> >>> sometimes >>>> >>> trying to sort out what the Priest has put down in the Parish >>>> >>> Records, >>>> >>> he >>>> >>> or she may be banging his/her head against a wall. >>>> >>> Riobard. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>>> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> >>> quotes >>>> >>> in >>>> >>> the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>>> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> >>> quotes >>>> >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> ------------------------------- >>>> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> >> in >>>> >> the subject and the body of the message >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in >>>> the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >

Hi Kathleen, of course you can.... that is why I post here and why I suggested our sister page to Bill for longer articles, I do so to be helpful and share knowledge. However I should also say that my historical posts on another site have been described as 'designed to pull Orange tits' ....as if I would. Well not more than twice a week anyway! You may have missed the explanation that I gave some months back for the branch of the Sullivans who go by the 'nick name' of 'Coolies' or 'Coolys' ( Bear in mind that when English officialdom were recording names they spelled out the sound as it seemed to the recorder. It is not unusual to find the same person referred to with different spelling by two individuals even in the same document) 'Coolie' families can be found from Cul Aodha in West Cork to Letrim all along the route of Donal Cam's retreat. 'Cul'.....means back, rear, bottom (of sack) etc. Troid...quarrel, dispute, fight etc. Na Cul Troidi in Gaelic sounded like 'cool three' to English ears, In Donal Cam's retreat, given the harsh conditions of war wounds, experienced people knew that once they got certain wounds, on the balance they would die in the coming day or days even it they could still march and do a limited fight. Such men were expendable and fought in the rearguard. Many died there in combat or from previous wounds but some did survive and all along the trail these recovered survivors became part of the local community. The men were as good in bed as in the battlefield, so there are a fair amount of 'Coolie' who are Sullivans still around along the line of the march. One of my brothers is actually married to one such descendant.. I will recall and list for you some more of these names and I am sure it will also jog Riobard's memory to come up with a few more. For now a favorite joke of the Late Ronald Regan re nicknames..... During WW2 a German paratrooper is parachuted at night into the West of Ireland over a where he is to make contact with a local. Village located Ok, he lands successfully, buries his chute and uniform and heads into village. He counts out five houses from the end of the village, knocks on the door. A man opens the door, the German in his best English accent says " The moon always rises in the West" No Response ! The German repeats it again and adds " you are Mr Murphy, no? " The mans face lights up " Ah Jezus I am with you now, alright, but you started at the wrong end of the village, you should be up five houses on the other side, I am Murphy 'The Post', sure tis Murphy 'The Spy' you want".! In WW 2 a plane did make a forced landing in my home region, it was not well guarded by the Local Defense Force and the local teenagers were allowed all over it. One fired the engine, it just spluttered but it was nose down and the prop tip clipped the backside of another teen lad. He was known as 'the pilot' until the day he died! Slan is beannacht, Donal O On 1/22/12, sbcglobal <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Donal: > What a wonderful explanation on how nickname surnames came about. I would > like to use this on the Eoganacht septs website to help others understand as > well. With your permission of course. > > Kathleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> > To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:44 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Sullivan Dandy > > > Riobard : while we too had the 'Dandees' and the 'Johndees' in the > Sliabh Luchra part of the County, occasionally the name was acquired > by someone who wore 'sunday clothes' every day or who dressed > unusually neat. This 'Dandy' was often held by returned Yanks who were > dressed rather snappy. > > To one returned yank anyone that he did not agree with was a 'God > dammed gopher' and so he and his family quickly became 'The Gophers' > > Like a lot home births in the fifties, I was born in my grandmother's > house as the midwife was in the second next farm. Once without > thinking when passing this town land in business clothes I stopped the > car and hopped in over a ditch carrying a brief case ( not a sight any > farmer welcomes, it usually means trouble ) > > The farmer came round on his tractor stopped and then suddenly > realized who was there and exploded " Wisha the devil fire you > sideways into kingdom come, Dan, Biddy, Ellie, Jackie, you have put > the heart crossways in me"! Whatever my Gaelic or English names or > surnames in common usage, there in that townland where I was born, I > will always be named for, and my identity will come through my late > mother and grandmother! > > It was quite common in Sliabh Luachra for even grandchildren of a > woman of character to carry her personal name or nickname instead of a > surname. I 'ran the post' as a relief postman in when I was seventeen > and it was only when delivering letters that I found out who some > people were correctly named even though they were in the same end of > the parish and I had known them all my life.. > > Slan is beannacht, Donal O > > On 1/22/12, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: >> Dear Marge, Leesa, and Kathleen, >> To answer Marge's >> question: ALL Branch Names wouldn't be confined to specific townlands or >> areas. >> To Leesa: Sullivan "the >> Boat" would come from boatmen. >> To answer Kathleen: >> Sullivan "Dandy". The Dandy comes from Dan D. A family at home were known >> as the Johndees ---- from John D. >> --- Riobard. >> >> On 22 January 2012 19:48, carrignua <carrignua@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know the origin of Sillivan "The Boat?" Is it evan a >>> branch >>> name? >>> Ny Nother didn't have any Irish and didn't know how "The Boat" was tacked >>> on >>> to her name and that of her brothers and sisters. There was no boat in >>> the >>> family as far back as she could remember. >>> Leesa in Oregon >>> Daughter of Nora "The Boat" >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> >>> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:12 AM >>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Sullivan Dandy >>> >>> >>> Does anyone know of the origin of the Sullivan Dandy surname? >>> >>> They were originally came from area known as Beara Peninsula on the >>> border >>> of County Kerry (East of Kenmare) and County Cork. >>> >>> Kathleen >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> >>> To: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com>; <beara@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:12 PM >>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy - family tree and branch YDNA >>> >>> >>> > Donal: >>> > I found the pdf file. It does appear that he did blood group studies >>> > and >>> > not YDNA. Blood group will not have enough information, unfortunately. >>> > >>> > I am looking forward to reading this paper in depth to see if I can >>> > glean >>> > anything that relates to our YDNA research and family study research. >>> > >>> > Our research is based on DNA genealogy which links family history and >>> YDNA >>> > to identify actual family trees and branches. Population genetics is >>> > based on probabilities and possibilities. Of course, because our YDNA >>> > results are limited to those who have taken the YDNA test and have >>> > joined >>> > our projects (Eoganacht septs, South Irish and Sullivan) many of the >>> > family trees will still only represent probabilities and possibilities. >>> > We need YDNA of those who are identified as clearly belonging to >>> Eoganacht >>> > septs and clans to add to the backbone of our research. We have a long >>> > list of those with strong family histories that form the backbone of >>> > our >>> > research. >>> > >>> > Would you know of the existence of an in-depth Eoganacht surname lists >>> > including cadet branches? My list includes the following to date which >>> > I >>> > know is just the tip of the iceberg (most in the list are Sullivan >>> > clans >>> > and cadets): >>> > >>> > Barrule, Barry, Bawn, Bogue, Bowe, Bowes, Breac, Brohill, Buaig, >>> Cahalane, >>> > Ceartan, Claddy, Cohu, Connelly, Crah, Croumhane, Cumba, Doran, Doyle, >>> > Drummand, Fune, Giles, Gill, Glanny, Glas, Gow, Hayes, Hea, Hurrig, >>> Keagh, >>> > Labhras, Lowney, Lynch, MacArthy, MacAuliffe, MacCarthy, MacCragh, >>> > MacCrohan, O'Donoghue, MacGillicudy, MacGrath, Maol, Masters, >>> > McAuliffe, >>> > McCarter, McCarthy, McCarty, McGill, McGillicuddy, McGillicudy, >>> > McShane, >>> > Mongan, Mor, O'Bogue, O'Callaghan, O'Cannifree, O'Cohalane/O'Coughlan, >>> > O'Connell, O'Cronin, O'Dennehy, O'Donnell, O'Duggan, O'Feehan, >>> O'Flahiffe, >>> > O'Flynn, O'Keefe, O'Kirby, O'Leary, O'Long, O'Mahoney, O'Moriarty, >>> > O'Neill, O'Sullivan, Rabach, Rochtirre, Rua, Seer, Shearhig, Silver, >>> > Skilty, Sughrues, Sullivan, Suonish, Tailor, Ukirre, Uonhi, Vallif, >>> > Vera >>> > >>> > I also need to find histories for all Eoganacht septs and clans that >>> match >>> > the surnames. I am building the larger picture of the Eoganachts >>> > through >>> > their descendent YDNA. To date approximately 50% have the South Irish >>> > modal haplotype. My research includes all those descendents with >>> > Eoganacht surnames, as well as those who are South Irish and do-not >>> > have >>> > Eoganacht surnames. With the inclusive approach, I believe the >>> > complete >>> > picture of the Eoganachts will be understood. >>> > >>> > Perhaps you can refer me to those who have studied the Eoganachts in >>> > detail. I would like to collaborate with them to build out the complete >>> > picture of the Eoganachts. >>> > >>> > Kathleen >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> >>> > To: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net>; <beara@rootsweb.com> >>> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:37 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy - family tree and branch YDNA >>> > >>> > >>> > Hi Kathleen, >>> > >>> > are you aware of the studies conducted by Dr Albert Casey into blood >>> > types in Sliabh Luachra in the 50/60 ? As the work was done by a >>> > qualified professional, you may find something of use in his work in >>> > your own research. >>> > >>> > If you do not know of these studies, this reference will give you a >>> > starting point. >>> > >>> > Casey's Remarkable Collection >>> > www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/pdf/caseyaid.pdfFile<http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Eirlker/pdf/caseyaid.pdfFile>Format: >>> > PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View >>> > collection of works edited by Dr. Albert Eugene Casey entitled O'Kief, >>> > .... And Collector of Historical Records” by T.E. Dowling 3 in Sliabh >>> > Luachra, ... here and there are found pages of craniometrics, >>> > pathologies, blood group studies, etc. which >>> > >>> > Slan is beannacht, Donal O ... >>> > >>> > >>> > On 1/21/12, sbcglobal <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> >> Marge: >>> >> I have been working with Dr. Anatole Klyosov regarding the building of >>> >> a >>> >> repeatable process using his work for calculating mutation rates for >>> >> family >>> >> trees and branches. I do the work, regarding the interpretation of >>> >> his >>> >> work, and he has been gracious enough to review my work for accuracy >>> >> and >>> >> whether it fairly represents his work. >>> >> >>> >> The result is that we can build family trees and branches within a >>> >> reasonable range. That this means to us is that if I can find enough >>> >> YDNA >>> >> results in a cluster (related) that I can build a family tree that can >>> >> fairly represent relationships to rebuild septs and clans. >>> >> >>> >> My next work break is Feb 17th, at which time I'll start the cluster >>> >> analysis for all the south Irish modal haplotypes I have in our >>> >> current >>> >> study group. I overlap these results with our family stories (such as >>> >> the >>> >> one you contributed for your family). Then we view the family tree >>> >> results >>> >> interpreting relationships with the confirmed cluster YDNA and family >>> >> stories. This will yield a compelling story. >>> >> >>> >> I'm looking forward conferring with you and finding out the additional >>> >> family stories you have uncovered. >>> >> >>> >> I have a long list of branch names for the Sullivan's and need to >>> >> build >>> >> out >>> >> all branch names for the other Eoganacht septs and clans. Let me know >>> if >>> >> you come across any that you can send me. >>> >> >>> >> Kathleen >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >> From: "Marge Sullivan" <hjmcs@optonline.net> >>> >> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> >>> >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:45 AM >>> >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> Dear Riobard: >>> >>> >>> >>> Do branch names tend to be confined to specific townlands, or >>> >>> areas----at >>> >>> least early on. I'm wondering if some are more likely to occur in >>> >>> Beara, >>> >>> than other areas of Cork. Of course, people did move around, but >>> >>> perhaps >>> >>> there was some tendency to stay close to a "homebase" or ancestral >>> >>> lands. >>> >>> Something like that. >>> >>> >>> >>> Marge >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> From: Riobard O' Dwyer >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:17 AM >>> >>> To: beara@rootsweb.com >>> >>> Subject: [BEARA] Genealogy >>> >>> >>> >>> It may be a good thing, when asking questions, as well as putting >>> >>> down >>> >>> the >>> >>> Christian name and surname of the person, to add the maiden name and >>> >>> surname of the wife, and the place of residence (now) of the couple >>> >>> (as >>> >>> well as the place of residence of the wife before she married); the >>> same >>> >>> (if known) of the parents of both, and also with the maiden name of >>> >>> the >>> >>> wife in question there; the dates of birth, or approx. dates of >>> >>> birth, >>> >>> or >>> >>> even the approx. years of birth, or if possible, the number or approx >>> >>> number of children in the various families; or anything to help a >>> person >>> >>> try and do the necessary. You mightn't have much of the above, but >>> >>> send >>> >>> all >>> >>> you have. Often, the Priest doing the Baptism might put down the >>> Branch >>> >>> name instead of the proper surname. There are about 25 different >>> >>> Branch >>> >>> names of the Sullivans/O'Sullivans; several for the Harringtons, >>> >>> McCarthys, >>> >>> etc., and if a person wasn't aware of these Branch names when >>> >>> sometimes >>> >>> trying to sort out what the Priest has put down in the Parish >>> >>> Records, >>> >>> he >>> >>> or she may be banging his/her head against a wall. >>> >>> Riobard. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> >>> quotes >>> >>> in >>> >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> >>> quotes >>> >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ------------------------------- >>> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> >> in >>> >> the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

No, none that I know of went to Butte. Mine went to Bridgeport, CT. -- Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney in Kildare

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU! That was very nice. I have so much email. Getting caught up. Did I ask you already if any of your family came to Butte Montana? We have all those names here. Bette -----Original Message----- From: kerrykuzzin @dslextreme.com Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 9:41 AM To: beara ; Kerry List ; KILDARE-L Subject: [BEARA] Happy New Year Please click on the link to receive a New Year Greeting from me. http://www.jacquielawson.com/viewcard.asp?code=3277709831094&source=jl999 Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney in Kildare ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4711 - Release Date: 12/29/11

Riobard : while we too had the 'Dandees' and the 'Johndees' in the Sliabh Luchra part of the County, occasionally the name was acquired by someone who wore 'sunday clothes' every day or who dressed unusually neat. This 'Dandy' was often held by returned Yanks who were dressed rather snappy. To one returned yank anyone that he did not agree with was a 'God dammed gopher' and so he and his family quickly became 'The Gophers' Like a lot home births in the fifties, I was born in my grandmother's house as the midwife was in the second next farm. Once without thinking when passing this town land in business clothes I stopped the car and hopped in over a ditch carrying a brief case ( not a sight any farmer welcomes, it usually means trouble ) The farmer came round on his tractor stopped and then suddenly realized who was there and exploded " Wisha the devil fire you sideways into kingdom come, Dan, Biddy, Ellie, Jackie, you have put the heart crossways in me"! Whatever my Gaelic or English names or surnames in common usage, there in that townland where I was born, I will always be named for, and my identity will come through my late mother and grandmother! It was quite common in Sliabh Luachra for even grandchildren of a woman of character to carry her personal name or nickname instead of a surname. I 'ran the post' as a relief postman in when I was seventeen and it was only when delivering letters that I found out who some people were correctly named even though they were in the same end of the parish and I had known them all my life.. Slan is beannacht, Donal O On 1/22/12, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Marge, Leesa, and Kathleen, > To answer Marge's > question: ALL Branch Names wouldn't be confined to specific townlands or > areas. > To Leesa: Sullivan "the > Boat" would come from boatmen. > To answer Kathleen: > Sullivan "Dandy". The Dandy comes from Dan D. A family at home were known > as the Johndees ---- from John D. > --- Riobard. > > On 22 January 2012 19:48, carrignua <carrignua@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Does anyone know the origin of Sillivan "The Boat?" Is it evan a branch >> name? >> Ny Nother didn't have any Irish and didn't know how "The Boat" was tacked >> on >> to her name and that of her brothers and sisters. There was no boat in >> the >> family as far back as she could remember. >> Leesa in Oregon >> Daughter of Nora "The Boat" >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> >> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:12 AM >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Sullivan Dandy >> >> >> Does anyone know of the origin of the Sullivan Dandy surname? >> >> They were originally came from area known as Beara Peninsula on the border >> of County Kerry (East of Kenmare) and County Cork. >> >> Kathleen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> >> To: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com>; <beara@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy - family tree and branch YDNA >> >> >> > Donal: >> > I found the pdf file. It does appear that he did blood group studies >> > and >> > not YDNA. Blood group will not have enough information, unfortunately. >> > >> > I am looking forward to reading this paper in depth to see if I can >> > glean >> > anything that relates to our YDNA research and family study research. >> > >> > Our research is based on DNA genealogy which links family history and >> YDNA >> > to identify actual family trees and branches. Population genetics is >> > based on probabilities and possibilities. Of course, because our YDNA >> > results are limited to those who have taken the YDNA test and have >> > joined >> > our projects (Eoganacht septs, South Irish and Sullivan) many of the >> > family trees will still only represent probabilities and possibilities. >> > We need YDNA of those who are identified as clearly belonging to >> Eoganacht >> > septs and clans to add to the backbone of our research. We have a long >> > list of those with strong family histories that form the backbone of our >> > research. >> > >> > Would you know of the existence of an in-depth Eoganacht surname lists >> > including cadet branches? My list includes the following to date which >> > I >> > know is just the tip of the iceberg (most in the list are Sullivan clans >> > and cadets): >> > >> > Barrule, Barry, Bawn, Bogue, Bowe, Bowes, Breac, Brohill, Buaig, >> Cahalane, >> > Ceartan, Claddy, Cohu, Connelly, Crah, Croumhane, Cumba, Doran, Doyle, >> > Drummand, Fune, Giles, Gill, Glanny, Glas, Gow, Hayes, Hea, Hurrig, >> Keagh, >> > Labhras, Lowney, Lynch, MacArthy, MacAuliffe, MacCarthy, MacCragh, >> > MacCrohan, O'Donoghue, MacGillicudy, MacGrath, Maol, Masters, McAuliffe, >> > McCarter, McCarthy, McCarty, McGill, McGillicuddy, McGillicudy, McShane, >> > Mongan, Mor, O'Bogue, O'Callaghan, O'Cannifree, O'Cohalane/O'Coughlan, >> > O'Connell, O'Cronin, O'Dennehy, O'Donnell, O'Duggan, O'Feehan, >> O'Flahiffe, >> > O'Flynn, O'Keefe, O'Kirby, O'Leary, O'Long, O'Mahoney, O'Moriarty, >> > O'Neill, O'Sullivan, Rabach, Rochtirre, Rua, Seer, Shearhig, Silver, >> > Skilty, Sughrues, Sullivan, Suonish, Tailor, Ukirre, Uonhi, Vallif, Vera >> > >> > I also need to find histories for all Eoganacht septs and clans that >> match >> > the surnames. I am building the larger picture of the Eoganachts >> > through >> > their descendent YDNA. To date approximately 50% have the South Irish >> > modal haplotype. My research includes all those descendents with >> > Eoganacht surnames, as well as those who are South Irish and do-not have >> > Eoganacht surnames. With the inclusive approach, I believe the complete >> > picture of the Eoganachts will be understood. >> > >> > Perhaps you can refer me to those who have studied the Eoganachts in >> > detail. I would like to collaborate with them to build out the complete >> > picture of the Eoganachts. >> > >> > Kathleen >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> >> > To: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net>; <beara@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:37 PM >> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy - family tree and branch YDNA >> > >> > >> > Hi Kathleen, >> > >> > are you aware of the studies conducted by Dr Albert Casey into blood >> > types in Sliabh Luachra in the 50/60 ? As the work was done by a >> > qualified professional, you may find something of use in his work in >> > your own research. >> > >> > If you do not know of these studies, this reference will give you a >> > starting point. >> > >> > Casey's Remarkable Collection >> > www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/pdf/caseyaid.pdfFile<http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Eirlker/pdf/caseyaid.pdfFile>Format: >> > PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View >> > collection of works edited by Dr. Albert Eugene Casey entitled O'Kief, >> > .... And Collector of Historical Records” by T.E. Dowling 3 in Sliabh >> > Luachra, ... here and there are found pages of craniometrics, >> > pathologies, blood group studies, etc. which >> > >> > Slan is beannacht, Donal O ... >> > >> > >> > On 1/21/12, sbcglobal <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >> Marge: >> >> I have been working with Dr. Anatole Klyosov regarding the building of >> >> a >> >> repeatable process using his work for calculating mutation rates for >> >> family >> >> trees and branches. I do the work, regarding the interpretation of his >> >> work, and he has been gracious enough to review my work for accuracy >> >> and >> >> whether it fairly represents his work. >> >> >> >> The result is that we can build family trees and branches within a >> >> reasonable range. That this means to us is that if I can find enough >> >> YDNA >> >> results in a cluster (related) that I can build a family tree that can >> >> fairly represent relationships to rebuild septs and clans. >> >> >> >> My next work break is Feb 17th, at which time I'll start the cluster >> >> analysis for all the south Irish modal haplotypes I have in our current >> >> study group. I overlap these results with our family stories (such as >> >> the >> >> one you contributed for your family). Then we view the family tree >> >> results >> >> interpreting relationships with the confirmed cluster YDNA and family >> >> stories. This will yield a compelling story. >> >> >> >> I'm looking forward conferring with you and finding out the additional >> >> family stories you have uncovered. >> >> >> >> I have a long list of branch names for the Sullivan's and need to build >> >> out >> >> all branch names for the other Eoganacht septs and clans. Let me know >> if >> >> you come across any that you can send me. >> >> >> >> Kathleen >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Marge Sullivan" <hjmcs@optonline.net> >> >> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:45 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy >> >> >> >> >> >>> Dear Riobard: >> >>> >> >>> Do branch names tend to be confined to specific townlands, or >> >>> areas----at >> >>> least early on. I'm wondering if some are more likely to occur in >> >>> Beara, >> >>> than other areas of Cork. Of course, people did move around, but >> >>> perhaps >> >>> there was some tendency to stay close to a "homebase" or ancestral >> >>> lands. >> >>> Something like that. >> >>> >> >>> Marge >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: Riobard O' Dwyer >> >>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:17 AM >> >>> To: beara@rootsweb.com >> >>> Subject: [BEARA] Genealogy >> >>> >> >>> It may be a good thing, when asking questions, as well as putting down >> >>> the >> >>> Christian name and surname of the person, to add the maiden name and >> >>> surname of the wife, and the place of residence (now) of the couple >> >>> (as >> >>> well as the place of residence of the wife before she married); the >> same >> >>> (if known) of the parents of both, and also with the maiden name of >> >>> the >> >>> wife in question there; the dates of birth, or approx. dates of >> >>> birth, >> >>> or >> >>> even the approx. years of birth, or if possible, the number or approx >> >>> number of children in the various families; or anything to help a >> person >> >>> try and do the necessary. You mightn't have much of the above, but >> >>> send >> >>> all >> >>> you have. Often, the Priest doing the Baptism might put down the >> Branch >> >>> name instead of the proper surname. There are about 25 different >> >>> Branch >> >>> names of the Sullivans/O'Sullivans; several for the Harringtons, >> >>> McCarthys, >> >>> etc., and if a person wasn't aware of these Branch names when >> >>> sometimes >> >>> trying to sort out what the Priest has put down in the Parish Records, >> >>> he >> >>> or she may be banging his/her head against a wall. >> >>> Riobard. >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>> quotes >> >>> in >> >>> the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>> quotes >> >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> >> in >> >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

Up there it must be the latter (being Anglicized). Some of the other Duffy families were called "the Flakes" and "the Hawks". Maggie ----- Original Message ----- From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> To: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net>; <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Sullivan Dandy Hi Maggie, not too difficult, there is a family in the Sliabh Luachra called 'The Buckley Alainns' Alainn is handsome, good looking, lovely appearance etc. This nickname arose from a family member and while it was not very common, as the people so labeled had to be exceptionally good looking to merit the title ( or sometimes applied sarcastically to an person not well blessed with good looks, so do not get carried away! ) There is also a more esoteric explanation that I needs a little more detail. ( trying to curtail the post lengths out of respect to other posters) When the language changed, the nick names followed into English and some such as 'The Lovelies' when taken out of their cultural context can seem to jar. No such difficulty in Irish. " Dathi O Bruadar a poet of the 17th, century exasperated at the lack of subtlety in the incoming language described English as ' A but fit to sell pigs in ! Slan is beannacht. Donal O On 1/23/12, donal O'Siodhachain <dospoet@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Kathleen, > > of course you can.... that is why I post here and why I suggested our > sister page to Bill for longer articles, I do so to be helpful and > share knowledge. However I should also say that my historical posts > on another site have been described as 'designed to pull Orange tits' > ....as if I would. Well not more than twice a week anyway! > > You may have missed the explanation that I gave some months back for > the branch of the Sullivans who go by the 'nick name' of 'Coolies' or > 'Coolys' ( Bear in mind that when English officialdom were recording > names they spelled out the sound as it seemed to the recorder. It is > not unusual to find the same person referred to with different > spelling by two individuals even in the same document) > > 'Coolie' families can be found from Cul Aodha in West Cork to Letrim > all along the route of Donal Cam's retreat. 'Cul'.....means back, > rear, bottom (of sack) etc. Troid...quarrel, dispute, fight etc. Na > Cul Troidi in Gaelic sounded like 'cool three' to English ears, > > In Donal Cam's retreat, given the harsh conditions of war wounds, > experienced people knew that once they got certain wounds, on the > balance they would die in the coming day or days even it they could > still march and do a limited fight. Such men were expendable and > fought in the rearguard. Many died there in combat or from previous > wounds but some did survive and all along the trail these recovered > survivors became part of the local community. The men were as good in > bed as in the battlefield, so there are a fair amount of 'Coolie' who > are Sullivans still around along the line of the march. One of my > brothers is actually married to one such descendant.. > > I will recall and list for you some more of these names and I am sure > it will also jog Riobard's memory to come up with a few more. > > For now a favorite joke of the Late Ronald Regan re nicknames..... > > During WW2 a German paratrooper is parachuted at night into the West > of Ireland over a where he is to make contact with a local. Village > located Ok, he lands successfully, buries his chute and uniform and > heads into village. He counts out five houses from the end of the > village, knocks on the door. > > A man opens the door, the German in his best English accent says " > The moon always rises in the West" No Response ! The German repeats it > again and adds " you are Mr Murphy, no? " > > The mans face lights up " Ah Jezus I am with you now, alright, but you > started at the wrong end of the village, you should be up five houses > on the other side, I am Murphy 'The Post', sure tis Murphy 'The Spy' > you want".! > > In WW 2 a plane did make a forced landing in my home region, it was > not well guarded by the Local Defense Force and the local teenagers > were allowed all over it. One fired the engine, it just spluttered but > it was nose down and the prop tip clipped the backside of another teen > lad. He was known as 'the pilot' until the day he died! > > Slan is beannacht, Donal O > > On 1/22/12, sbcglobal <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> Donal: >> What a wonderful explanation on how nickname surnames came about. I >> would >> like to use this on the Eoganacht septs website to help others understand >> as >> well. With your permission of course. >> >> Kathleen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> >> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Sullivan Dandy >> >> >> Riobard : while we too had the 'Dandees' and the 'Johndees' in the >> Sliabh Luchra part of the County, occasionally the name was acquired >> by someone who wore 'sunday clothes' every day or who dressed >> unusually neat. This 'Dandy' was often held by returned Yanks who were >> dressed rather snappy. >> >> To one returned yank anyone that he did not agree with was a 'God >> dammed gopher' and so he and his family quickly became 'The Gophers' >> >> Like a lot home births in the fifties, I was born in my grandmother's >> house as the midwife was in the second next farm. Once without >> thinking when passing this town land in business clothes I stopped the >> car and hopped in over a ditch carrying a brief case ( not a sight any >> farmer welcomes, it usually means trouble ) >> >> The farmer came round on his tractor stopped and then suddenly >> realized who was there and exploded " Wisha the devil fire you >> sideways into kingdom come, Dan, Biddy, Ellie, Jackie, you have put >> the heart crossways in me"! Whatever my Gaelic or English names or >> surnames in common usage, there in that townland where I was born, I >> will always be named for, and my identity will come through my late >> mother and grandmother! >> >> It was quite common in Sliabh Luachra for even grandchildren of a >> woman of character to carry her personal name or nickname instead of a >> surname. I 'ran the post' as a relief postman in when I was seventeen >> and it was only when delivering letters that I found out who some >> people were correctly named even though they were in the same end of >> the parish and I had known them all my life.. >> >> Slan is beannacht, Donal O >> >> On 1/22/12, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Dear Marge, Leesa, and Kathleen, >>> To answer Marge's >>> question: ALL Branch Names wouldn't be confined to specific townlands or >>> areas. >>> To Leesa: Sullivan "the >>> Boat" would come from boatmen. >>> To answer Kathleen: >>> Sullivan "Dandy". The Dandy comes from Dan D. A family at home were >>> known >>> as the Johndees ---- from John D. >>> --- Riobard. >>> >>> On 22 January 2012 19:48, carrignua <carrignua@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Does anyone know the origin of Sillivan "The Boat?" Is it evan a >>>> branch >>>> name? >>>> Ny Nother didn't have any Irish and didn't know how "The Boat" was >>>> tacked >>>> on >>>> to her name and that of her brothers and sisters. There was no boat in >>>> the >>>> family as far back as she could remember. >>>> Leesa in Oregon >>>> Daughter of Nora "The Boat" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> >>>> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:12 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Sullivan Dandy >>>> >>>> >>>> Does anyone know of the origin of the Sullivan Dandy surname? >>>> >>>> They were originally came from area known as Beara Peninsula on the >>>> border >>>> of County Kerry (East of Kenmare) and County Cork. >>>> >>>> Kathleen >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> >>>> To: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com>; <beara@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:12 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy - family tree and branch YDNA >>>> >>>> >>>> > Donal: >>>> > I found the pdf file. It does appear that he did blood group studies >>>> > and >>>> > not YDNA. Blood group will not have enough information, >>>> > unfortunately. >>>> > >>>> > I am looking forward to reading this paper in depth to see if I can >>>> > glean >>>> > anything that relates to our YDNA research and family study research. >>>> > >>>> > Our research is based on DNA genealogy which links family history and >>>> YDNA >>>> > to identify actual family trees and branches. Population genetics is >>>> > based on probabilities and possibilities. Of course, because our >>>> > YDNA >>>> > results are limited to those who have taken the YDNA test and have >>>> > joined >>>> > our projects (Eoganacht septs, South Irish and Sullivan) many of the >>>> > family trees will still only represent probabilities and >>>> > possibilities. >>>> > We need YDNA of those who are identified as clearly belonging to >>>> Eoganacht >>>> > septs and clans to add to the backbone of our research. We have a >>>> > long >>>> > list of those with strong family histories that form the backbone of >>>> > our >>>> > research. >>>> > >>>> > Would you know of the existence of an in-depth Eoganacht surname >>>> > lists >>>> > including cadet branches? My list includes the following to date >>>> > which >>>> > I >>>> > know is just the tip of the iceberg (most in the list are Sullivan >>>> > clans >>>> > and cadets): >>>> > >>>> > Barrule, Barry, Bawn, Bogue, Bowe, Bowes, Breac, Brohill, Buaig, >>>> Cahalane, >>>> > Ceartan, Claddy, Cohu, Connelly, Crah, Croumhane, Cumba, Doran, >>>> > Doyle, >>>> > Drummand, Fune, Giles, Gill, Glanny, Glas, Gow, Hayes, Hea, Hurrig, >>>> Keagh, >>>> > Labhras, Lowney, Lynch, MacArthy, MacAuliffe, MacCarthy, MacCragh, >>>> > MacCrohan, O'Donoghue, MacGillicudy, MacGrath, Maol, Masters, >>>> > McAuliffe, >>>> > McCarter, McCarthy, McCarty, McGill, McGillicuddy, McGillicudy, >>>> > McShane, >>>> > Mongan, Mor, O'Bogue, O'Callaghan, O'Cannifree, >>>> > O'Cohalane/O'Coughlan, >>>> > O'Connell, O'Cronin, O'Dennehy, O'Donnell, O'Duggan, O'Feehan, >>>> O'Flahiffe, >>>> > O'Flynn, O'Keefe, O'Kirby, O'Leary, O'Long, O'Mahoney, O'Moriarty, >>>> > O'Neill, O'Sullivan, Rabach, Rochtirre, Rua, Seer, Shearhig, Silver, >>>> > Skilty, Sughrues, Sullivan, Suonish, Tailor, Ukirre, Uonhi, Vallif, >>>> > Vera >>>> > >>>> > I also need to find histories for all Eoganacht septs and clans that >>>> match >>>> > the surnames. I am building the larger picture of the Eoganachts >>>> > through >>>> > their descendent YDNA. To date approximately 50% have the South >>>> > Irish >>>> > modal haplotype. My research includes all those descendents with >>>> > Eoganacht surnames, as well as those who are South Irish and do-not >>>> > have >>>> > Eoganacht surnames. With the inclusive approach, I believe the >>>> > complete >>>> > picture of the Eoganachts will be understood. >>>> > >>>> > Perhaps you can refer me to those who have studied the Eoganachts in >>>> > detail. I would like to collaborate with them to build out the >>>> > complete >>>> > picture of the Eoganachts. >>>> > >>>> > Kathleen >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> >>>> > To: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net>; <beara@rootsweb.com> >>>> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:37 PM >>>> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy - family tree and branch YDNA >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Hi Kathleen, >>>> > >>>> > are you aware of the studies conducted by Dr Albert Casey into blood >>>> > types in Sliabh Luachra in the 50/60 ? As the work was done by a >>>> > qualified professional, you may find something of use in his work in >>>> > your own research. >>>> > >>>> > If you do not know of these studies, this reference will give you a >>>> > starting point. >>>> > >>>> > Casey's Remarkable Collection >>>> > www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/pdf/caseyaid.pdfFile<http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Eirlker/pdf/caseyaid.pdfFile>Format: >>>> > PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View >>>> > collection of works edited by Dr. Albert Eugene Casey entitled >>>> > O'Kief, >>>> > .... And Collector of Historical Records” by T.E. Dowling 3 in Sliabh >>>> > Luachra, ... here and there are found pages of craniometrics, >>>> > pathologies, blood group studies, etc. which >>>> > >>>> > Slan is beannacht, Donal O ... >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On 1/21/12, sbcglobal <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>> >> Marge: >>>> >> I have been working with Dr. Anatole Klyosov regarding the building >>>> >> of >>>> >> a >>>> >> repeatable process using his work for calculating mutation rates for >>>> >> family >>>> >> trees and branches. I do the work, regarding the interpretation of >>>> >> his >>>> >> work, and he has been gracious enough to review my work for accuracy >>>> >> and >>>> >> whether it fairly represents his work. >>>> >> >>>> >> The result is that we can build family trees and branches within a >>>> >> reasonable range. That this means to us is that if I can find >>>> >> enough >>>> >> YDNA >>>> >> results in a cluster (related) that I can build a family tree that >>>> >> can >>>> >> fairly represent relationships to rebuild septs and clans. >>>> >> >>>> >> My next work break is Feb 17th, at which time I'll start the cluster >>>> >> analysis for all the south Irish modal haplotypes I have in our >>>> >> current >>>> >> study group. I overlap these results with our family stories (such >>>> >> as >>>> >> the >>>> >> one you contributed for your family). Then we view the family tree >>>> >> results >>>> >> interpreting relationships with the confirmed cluster YDNA and >>>> >> family >>>> >> stories. This will yield a compelling story. >>>> >> >>>> >> I'm looking forward conferring with you and finding out the >>>> >> additional >>>> >> family stories you have uncovered. >>>> >> >>>> >> I have a long list of branch names for the Sullivan's and need to >>>> >> build >>>> >> out >>>> >> all branch names for the other Eoganacht septs and clans. Let me >>>> >> know >>>> if >>>> >> you come across any that you can send me. >>>> >> >>>> >> Kathleen >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >> From: "Marge Sullivan" <hjmcs@optonline.net> >>>> >> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> >>>> >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:45 AM >>>> >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>> Dear Riobard: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Do branch names tend to be confined to specific townlands, or >>>> >>> areas----at >>>> >>> least early on. I'm wondering if some are more likely to occur in >>>> >>> Beara, >>>> >>> than other areas of Cork. Of course, people did move around, but >>>> >>> perhaps >>>> >>> there was some tendency to stay close to a "homebase" or ancestral >>>> >>> lands. >>>> >>> Something like that. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Marge >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> >>> From: Riobard O' Dwyer >>>> >>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:17 AM >>>> >>> To: beara@rootsweb.com >>>> >>> Subject: [BEARA] Genealogy >>>> >>> >>>> >>> It may be a good thing, when asking questions, as well as putting >>>> >>> down >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> Christian name and surname of the person, to add the maiden name >>>> >>> and >>>> >>> surname of the wife, and the place of residence (now) of the couple >>>> >>> (as >>>> >>> well as the place of residence of the wife before she married); the >>>> same >>>> >>> (if known) of the parents of both, and also with the maiden name of >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> wife in question there; the dates of birth, or approx. dates of >>>> >>> birth, >>>> >>> or >>>> >>> even the approx. years of birth, or if possible, the number or >>>> >>> approx >>>> >>> number of children in the various families; or anything to help a >>>> person >>>> >>> try and do the necessary. You mightn't have much of the above, but >>>> >>> send >>>> >>> all >>>> >>> you have. Often, the Priest doing the Baptism might put down the >>>> Branch >>>> >>> name instead of the proper surname. There are about 25 different >>>> >>> Branch >>>> >>> names of the Sullivans/O'Sullivans; several for the Harringtons, >>>> >>> McCarthys, >>>> >>> etc., and if a person wasn't aware of these Branch names when >>>> >>> sometimes >>>> >>> trying to sort out what the Priest has put down in the Parish >>>> >>> Records, >>>> >>> he >>>> >>> or she may be banging his/her head against a wall. >>>> >>> Riobard. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>>> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> >>> quotes >>>> >>> in >>>> >>> the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>>> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> >>> quotes >>>> >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> ------------------------------- >>>> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> >> in >>>> >> the subject and the body of the message >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in >>>> the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Marge, Leesa, and Kathleen, To answer Marge's question: ALL Branch Names wouldn't be confined to specific townlands or areas. To Leesa: Sullivan "the Boat" would come from boatmen. To answer Kathleen: Sullivan "Dandy". The Dandy comes from Dan D. A family at home were known as the Johndees ---- from John D. --- Riobard. On 22 January 2012 19:48, carrignua <carrignua@comcast.net> wrote: > Does anyone know the origin of Sillivan "The Boat?" Is it evan a branch > name? > Ny Nother didn't have any Irish and didn't know how "The Boat" was tacked > on > to her name and that of her brothers and sisters. There was no boat in the > family as far back as she could remember. > Leesa in Oregon > Daughter of Nora "The Boat" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> > To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:12 AM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Sullivan Dandy > > > Does anyone know of the origin of the Sullivan Dandy surname? > > They were originally came from area known as Beara Peninsula on the border > of County Kerry (East of Kenmare) and County Cork. > > Kathleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> > To: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com>; <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:12 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy - family tree and branch YDNA > > > > Donal: > > I found the pdf file. It does appear that he did blood group studies and > > not YDNA. Blood group will not have enough information, unfortunately. > > > > I am looking forward to reading this paper in depth to see if I can glean > > anything that relates to our YDNA research and family study research. > > > > Our research is based on DNA genealogy which links family history and > YDNA > > to identify actual family trees and branches. Population genetics is > > based on probabilities and possibilities. Of course, because our YDNA > > results are limited to those who have taken the YDNA test and have joined > > our projects (Eoganacht septs, South Irish and Sullivan) many of the > > family trees will still only represent probabilities and possibilities. > > We need YDNA of those who are identified as clearly belonging to > Eoganacht > > septs and clans to add to the backbone of our research. We have a long > > list of those with strong family histories that form the backbone of our > > research. > > > > Would you know of the existence of an in-depth Eoganacht surname lists > > including cadet branches? My list includes the following to date which I > > know is just the tip of the iceberg (most in the list are Sullivan clans > > and cadets): > > > > Barrule, Barry, Bawn, Bogue, Bowe, Bowes, Breac, Brohill, Buaig, > Cahalane, > > Ceartan, Claddy, Cohu, Connelly, Crah, Croumhane, Cumba, Doran, Doyle, > > Drummand, Fune, Giles, Gill, Glanny, Glas, Gow, Hayes, Hea, Hurrig, > Keagh, > > Labhras, Lowney, Lynch, MacArthy, MacAuliffe, MacCarthy, MacCragh, > > MacCrohan, O'Donoghue, MacGillicudy, MacGrath, Maol, Masters, McAuliffe, > > McCarter, McCarthy, McCarty, McGill, McGillicuddy, McGillicudy, McShane, > > Mongan, Mor, O'Bogue, O'Callaghan, O'Cannifree, O'Cohalane/O'Coughlan, > > O'Connell, O'Cronin, O'Dennehy, O'Donnell, O'Duggan, O'Feehan, > O'Flahiffe, > > O'Flynn, O'Keefe, O'Kirby, O'Leary, O'Long, O'Mahoney, O'Moriarty, > > O'Neill, O'Sullivan, Rabach, Rochtirre, Rua, Seer, Shearhig, Silver, > > Skilty, Sughrues, Sullivan, Suonish, Tailor, Ukirre, Uonhi, Vallif, Vera > > > > I also need to find histories for all Eoganacht septs and clans that > match > > the surnames. I am building the larger picture of the Eoganachts through > > their descendent YDNA. To date approximately 50% have the South Irish > > modal haplotype. My research includes all those descendents with > > Eoganacht surnames, as well as those who are South Irish and do-not have > > Eoganacht surnames. With the inclusive approach, I believe the complete > > picture of the Eoganachts will be understood. > > > > Perhaps you can refer me to those who have studied the Eoganachts in > > detail. I would like to collaborate with them to build out the complete > > picture of the Eoganachts. > > > > Kathleen > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> > > To: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net>; <beara@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:37 PM > > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy - family tree and branch YDNA > > > > > > Hi Kathleen, > > > > are you aware of the studies conducted by Dr Albert Casey into blood > > types in Sliabh Luachra in the 50/60 ? As the work was done by a > > qualified professional, you may find something of use in his work in > > your own research. > > > > If you do not know of these studies, this reference will give you a > > starting point. > > > > Casey's Remarkable Collection > > www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/pdf/caseyaid.pdfFile<http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Eirlker/pdf/caseyaid.pdfFile>Format: > > PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View > > collection of works edited by Dr. Albert Eugene Casey entitled O'Kief, > > .... And Collector of Historical Records” by T.E. Dowling 3 in Sliabh > > Luachra, ... here and there are found pages of craniometrics, > > pathologies, blood group studies, etc. which > > > > Slan is beannacht, Donal O ... > > > > > > On 1/21/12, sbcglobal <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> Marge: > >> I have been working with Dr. Anatole Klyosov regarding the building of a > >> repeatable process using his work for calculating mutation rates for > >> family > >> trees and branches. I do the work, regarding the interpretation of his > >> work, and he has been gracious enough to review my work for accuracy and > >> whether it fairly represents his work. > >> > >> The result is that we can build family trees and branches within a > >> reasonable range. That this means to us is that if I can find enough > >> YDNA > >> results in a cluster (related) that I can build a family tree that can > >> fairly represent relationships to rebuild septs and clans. > >> > >> My next work break is Feb 17th, at which time I'll start the cluster > >> analysis for all the south Irish modal haplotypes I have in our current > >> study group. I overlap these results with our family stories (such as > >> the > >> one you contributed for your family). Then we view the family tree > >> results > >> interpreting relationships with the confirmed cluster YDNA and family > >> stories. This will yield a compelling story. > >> > >> I'm looking forward conferring with you and finding out the additional > >> family stories you have uncovered. > >> > >> I have a long list of branch names for the Sullivan's and need to build > >> out > >> all branch names for the other Eoganacht septs and clans. Let me know > if > >> you come across any that you can send me. > >> > >> Kathleen > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Marge Sullivan" <hjmcs@optonline.net> > >> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:45 AM > >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy > >> > >> > >>> Dear Riobard: > >>> > >>> Do branch names tend to be confined to specific townlands, or > >>> areas----at > >>> least early on. I'm wondering if some are more likely to occur in > >>> Beara, > >>> than other areas of Cork. Of course, people did move around, but > >>> perhaps > >>> there was some tendency to stay close to a "homebase" or ancestral > >>> lands. > >>> Something like that. > >>> > >>> Marge > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Riobard O' Dwyer > >>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:17 AM > >>> To: beara@rootsweb.com > >>> Subject: [BEARA] Genealogy > >>> > >>> It may be a good thing, when asking questions, as well as putting down > >>> the > >>> Christian name and surname of the person, to add the maiden name and > >>> surname of the wife, and the place of residence (now) of the couple (as > >>> well as the place of residence of the wife before she married); the > same > >>> (if known) of the parents of both, and also with the maiden name of the > >>> wife in question there; the dates of birth, or approx. dates of birth, > >>> or > >>> even the approx. years of birth, or if possible, the number or approx > >>> number of children in the various families; or anything to help a > person > >>> try and do the necessary. You mightn't have much of the above, but send > >>> all > >>> you have. Often, the Priest doing the Baptism might put down the > Branch > >>> name instead of the proper surname. There are about 25 different Branch > >>> names of the Sullivans/O'Sullivans; several for the Harringtons, > >>> McCarthys, > >>> etc., and if a person wasn't aware of these Branch names when sometimes > >>> trying to sort out what the Priest has put down in the Parish Records, > >>> he > >>> or she may be banging his/her head against a wall. > >>> Riobard. > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes > >>> in > >>> the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes > >>> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > >> in > >> the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)*

Donal: You and Riobard have clarified the nicknames, later becoming surnames. The personal stories really help us to understand how they came about. I'll post your replies on this page: http://eoganachtsepts.com/Name%20Variants.htm that explains the reason for Eoganacht name variants. Thank you for the wealth of information. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> To: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net>; <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Sullivan Dandy Hi Kathleen, of course you can.... that is why I post here and why I suggested our sister page to Bill for longer articles, I do so to be helpful and share knowledge. However I should also say that my historical posts on another site have been described as 'designed to pull Orange tits' ....as if I would. Well not more than twice a week anyway! You may have missed the explanation that I gave some months back for the branch of the Sullivans who go by the 'nick name' of 'Coolies' or 'Coolys' ( Bear in mind that when English officialdom were recording names they spelled out the sound as it seemed to the recorder. It is not unusual to find the same person referred to with different spelling by two individuals even in the same document) 'Coolie' families can be found from Cul Aodha in West Cork to Letrim all along the route of Donal Cam's retreat. 'Cul'.....means back, rear, bottom (of sack) etc. Troid...quarrel, dispute, fight etc. Na Cul Troidi in Gaelic sounded like 'cool three' to English ears, In Donal Cam's retreat, given the harsh conditions of war wounds, experienced people knew that once they got certain wounds, on the balance they would die in the coming day or days even it they could still march and do a limited fight. Such men were expendable and fought in the rearguard. Many died there in combat or from previous wounds but some did survive and all along the trail these recovered survivors became part of the local community. The men were as good in bed as in the battlefield, so there are a fair amount of 'Coolie' who are Sullivans still around along the line of the march. One of my brothers is actually married to one such descendant.. I will recall and list for you some more of these names and I am sure it will also jog Riobard's memory to come up with a few more. For now a favorite joke of the Late Ronald Regan re nicknames..... During WW2 a German paratrooper is parachuted at night into the West of Ireland over a where he is to make contact with a local. Village located Ok, he lands successfully, buries his chute and uniform and heads into village. He counts out five houses from the end of the village, knocks on the door. A man opens the door, the German in his best English accent says " The moon always rises in the West" No Response ! The German repeats it again and adds " you are Mr Murphy, no? " The mans face lights up " Ah Jezus I am with you now, alright, but you started at the wrong end of the village, you should be up five houses on the other side, I am Murphy 'The Post', sure tis Murphy 'The Spy' you want".! In WW 2 a plane did make a forced landing in my home region, it was not well guarded by the Local Defense Force and the local teenagers were allowed all over it. One fired the engine, it just spluttered but it was nose down and the prop tip clipped the backside of another teen lad. He was known as 'the pilot' until the day he died! Slan is beannacht, Donal O On 1/22/12, sbcglobal <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Donal: > What a wonderful explanation on how nickname surnames came about. I would > like to use this on the Eoganacht septs website to help others understand > as > well. With your permission of course. > > Kathleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> > To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:44 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Sullivan Dandy > > > Riobard : while we too had the 'Dandees' and the 'Johndees' in the > Sliabh Luchra part of the County, occasionally the name was acquired > by someone who wore 'sunday clothes' every day or who dressed > unusually neat. This 'Dandy' was often held by returned Yanks who were > dressed rather snappy. > > To one returned yank anyone that he did not agree with was a 'God > dammed gopher' and so he and his family quickly became 'The Gophers' > > Like a lot home births in the fifties, I was born in my grandmother's > house as the midwife was in the second next farm. Once without > thinking when passing this town land in business clothes I stopped the > car and hopped in over a ditch carrying a brief case ( not a sight any > farmer welcomes, it usually means trouble ) > > The farmer came round on his tractor stopped and then suddenly > realized who was there and exploded " Wisha the devil fire you > sideways into kingdom come, Dan, Biddy, Ellie, Jackie, you have put > the heart crossways in me"! Whatever my Gaelic or English names or > surnames in common usage, there in that townland where I was born, I > will always be named for, and my identity will come through my late > mother and grandmother! > > It was quite common in Sliabh Luachra for even grandchildren of a > woman of character to carry her personal name or nickname instead of a > surname. I 'ran the post' as a relief postman in when I was seventeen > and it was only when delivering letters that I found out who some > people were correctly named even though they were in the same end of > the parish and I had known them all my life.. > > Slan is beannacht, Donal O > > On 1/22/12, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: >> Dear Marge, Leesa, and Kathleen, >> To answer Marge's >> question: ALL Branch Names wouldn't be confined to specific townlands or >> areas. >> To Leesa: Sullivan "the >> Boat" would come from boatmen. >> To answer Kathleen: >> Sullivan "Dandy". The Dandy comes from Dan D. A family at home were known >> as the Johndees ---- from John D. >> --- Riobard. >> >> On 22 January 2012 19:48, carrignua <carrignua@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know the origin of Sillivan "The Boat?" Is it evan a >>> branch >>> name? >>> Ny Nother didn't have any Irish and didn't know how "The Boat" was >>> tacked >>> on >>> to her name and that of her brothers and sisters. There was no boat in >>> the >>> family as far back as she could remember. >>> Leesa in Oregon >>> Daughter of Nora "The Boat" >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> >>> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:12 AM >>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Sullivan Dandy >>> >>> >>> Does anyone know of the origin of the Sullivan Dandy surname? >>> >>> They were originally came from area known as Beara Peninsula on the >>> border >>> of County Kerry (East of Kenmare) and County Cork. >>> >>> Kathleen >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> >>> To: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com>; <beara@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:12 PM >>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy - family tree and branch YDNA >>> >>> >>> > Donal: >>> > I found the pdf file. It does appear that he did blood group studies >>> > and >>> > not YDNA. Blood group will not have enough information, >>> > unfortunately. >>> > >>> > I am looking forward to reading this paper in depth to see if I can >>> > glean >>> > anything that relates to our YDNA research and family study research. >>> > >>> > Our research is based on DNA genealogy which links family history and >>> YDNA >>> > to identify actual family trees and branches. Population genetics is >>> > based on probabilities and possibilities. Of course, because our YDNA >>> > results are limited to those who have taken the YDNA test and have >>> > joined >>> > our projects (Eoganacht septs, South Irish and Sullivan) many of the >>> > family trees will still only represent probabilities and >>> > possibilities. >>> > We need YDNA of those who are identified as clearly belonging to >>> Eoganacht >>> > septs and clans to add to the backbone of our research. We have a >>> > long >>> > list of those with strong family histories that form the backbone of >>> > our >>> > research. >>> > >>> > Would you know of the existence of an in-depth Eoganacht surname lists >>> > including cadet branches? My list includes the following to date >>> > which >>> > I >>> > know is just the tip of the iceberg (most in the list are Sullivan >>> > clans >>> > and cadets): >>> > >>> > Barrule, Barry, Bawn, Bogue, Bowe, Bowes, Breac, Brohill, Buaig, >>> Cahalane, >>> > Ceartan, Claddy, Cohu, Connelly, Crah, Croumhane, Cumba, Doran, Doyle, >>> > Drummand, Fune, Giles, Gill, Glanny, Glas, Gow, Hayes, Hea, Hurrig, >>> Keagh, >>> > Labhras, Lowney, Lynch, MacArthy, MacAuliffe, MacCarthy, MacCragh, >>> > MacCrohan, O'Donoghue, MacGillicudy, MacGrath, Maol, Masters, >>> > McAuliffe, >>> > McCarter, McCarthy, McCarty, McGill, McGillicuddy, McGillicudy, >>> > McShane, >>> > Mongan, Mor, O'Bogue, O'Callaghan, O'Cannifree, O'Cohalane/O'Coughlan, >>> > O'Connell, O'Cronin, O'Dennehy, O'Donnell, O'Duggan, O'Feehan, >>> O'Flahiffe, >>> > O'Flynn, O'Keefe, O'Kirby, O'Leary, O'Long, O'Mahoney, O'Moriarty, >>> > O'Neill, O'Sullivan, Rabach, Rochtirre, Rua, Seer, Shearhig, Silver, >>> > Skilty, Sughrues, Sullivan, Suonish, Tailor, Ukirre, Uonhi, Vallif, >>> > Vera >>> > >>> > I also need to find histories for all Eoganacht septs and clans that >>> match >>> > the surnames. I am building the larger picture of the Eoganachts >>> > through >>> > their descendent YDNA. To date approximately 50% have the South Irish >>> > modal haplotype. My research includes all those descendents with >>> > Eoganacht surnames, as well as those who are South Irish and do-not >>> > have >>> > Eoganacht surnames. With the inclusive approach, I believe the >>> > complete >>> > picture of the Eoganachts will be understood. >>> > >>> > Perhaps you can refer me to those who have studied the Eoganachts in >>> > detail. I would like to collaborate with them to build out the >>> > complete >>> > picture of the Eoganachts. >>> > >>> > Kathleen >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> >>> > To: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net>; <beara@rootsweb.com> >>> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:37 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy - family tree and branch YDNA >>> > >>> > >>> > Hi Kathleen, >>> > >>> > are you aware of the studies conducted by Dr Albert Casey into blood >>> > types in Sliabh Luachra in the 50/60 ? As the work was done by a >>> > qualified professional, you may find something of use in his work in >>> > your own research. >>> > >>> > If you do not know of these studies, this reference will give you a >>> > starting point. >>> > >>> > Casey's Remarkable Collection >>> > www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/pdf/caseyaid.pdfFile<http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Eirlker/pdf/caseyaid.pdfFile>Format: >>> > PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View >>> > collection of works edited by Dr. Albert Eugene Casey entitled O'Kief, >>> > .... And Collector of Historical Records” by T.E. Dowling 3 in Sliabh >>> > Luachra, ... here and there are found pages of craniometrics, >>> > pathologies, blood group studies, etc. which >>> > >>> > Slan is beannacht, Donal O ... >>> > >>> > >>> > On 1/21/12, sbcglobal <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> >> Marge: >>> >> I have been working with Dr. Anatole Klyosov regarding the building >>> >> of >>> >> a >>> >> repeatable process using his work for calculating mutation rates for >>> >> family >>> >> trees and branches. I do the work, regarding the interpretation of >>> >> his >>> >> work, and he has been gracious enough to review my work for accuracy >>> >> and >>> >> whether it fairly represents his work. >>> >> >>> >> The result is that we can build family trees and branches within a >>> >> reasonable range. That this means to us is that if I can find enough >>> >> YDNA >>> >> results in a cluster (related) that I can build a family tree that >>> >> can >>> >> fairly represent relationships to rebuild septs and clans. >>> >> >>> >> My next work break is Feb 17th, at which time I'll start the cluster >>> >> analysis for all the south Irish modal haplotypes I have in our >>> >> current >>> >> study group. I overlap these results with our family stories (such >>> >> as >>> >> the >>> >> one you contributed for your family). Then we view the family tree >>> >> results >>> >> interpreting relationships with the confirmed cluster YDNA and family >>> >> stories. This will yield a compelling story. >>> >> >>> >> I'm looking forward conferring with you and finding out the >>> >> additional >>> >> family stories you have uncovered. >>> >> >>> >> I have a long list of branch names for the Sullivan's and need to >>> >> build >>> >> out >>> >> all branch names for the other Eoganacht septs and clans. Let me >>> >> know >>> if >>> >> you come across any that you can send me. >>> >> >>> >> Kathleen >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >> From: "Marge Sullivan" <hjmcs@optonline.net> >>> >> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> >>> >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:45 AM >>> >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> Dear Riobard: >>> >>> >>> >>> Do branch names tend to be confined to specific townlands, or >>> >>> areas----at >>> >>> least early on. I'm wondering if some are more likely to occur in >>> >>> Beara, >>> >>> than other areas of Cork. Of course, people did move around, but >>> >>> perhaps >>> >>> there was some tendency to stay close to a "homebase" or ancestral >>> >>> lands. >>> >>> Something like that. >>> >>> >>> >>> Marge >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> From: Riobard O' Dwyer >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:17 AM >>> >>> To: beara@rootsweb.com >>> >>> Subject: [BEARA] Genealogy >>> >>> >>> >>> It may be a good thing, when asking questions, as well as putting >>> >>> down >>> >>> the >>> >>> Christian name and surname of the person, to add the maiden name and >>> >>> surname of the wife, and the place of residence (now) of the couple >>> >>> (as >>> >>> well as the place of residence of the wife before she married); the >>> same >>> >>> (if known) of the parents of both, and also with the maiden name of >>> >>> the >>> >>> wife in question there; the dates of birth, or approx. dates of >>> >>> birth, >>> >>> or >>> >>> even the approx. years of birth, or if possible, the number or >>> >>> approx >>> >>> number of children in the various families; or anything to help a >>> person >>> >>> try and do the necessary. You mightn't have much of the above, but >>> >>> send >>> >>> all >>> >>> you have. Often, the Priest doing the Baptism might put down the >>> Branch >>> >>> name instead of the proper surname. There are about 25 different >>> >>> Branch >>> >>> names of the Sullivans/O'Sullivans; several for the Harringtons, >>> >>> McCarthys, >>> >>> etc., and if a person wasn't aware of these Branch names when >>> >>> sometimes >>> >>> trying to sort out what the Priest has put down in the Parish >>> >>> Records, >>> >>> he >>> >>> or she may be banging his/her head against a wall. >>> >>> Riobard. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> >>> quotes >>> >>> in >>> >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> >>> quotes >>> >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ------------------------------- >>> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> >> in >>> >> the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message >

I would love someone to tell me if the Lynch's or the Shea's of Glengarriff had a branch name. Kathleen~CT.

Nothing to do with Beara geneaology, but in Longford my father's family were known as "the Lovelys". I've often wondered where THAT came from! Maggie Duffy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <bearariobard@gmail.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Sullivan Dandy Dear Marge, Leesa, and Kathleen, To answer Marge's question: ALL Branch Names wouldn't be confined to specific townlands or areas. To Leesa: Sullivan "the Boat" would come from boatmen. To answer Kathleen: Sullivan "Dandy". The Dandy comes from Dan D. A family at home were known as the Johndees ---- from John D. --- Riobard. On 22 January 2012 19:48, carrignua <carrignua@comcast.net> wrote: > Does anyone know the origin of Sillivan "The Boat?" Is it evan a branch > name? > Ny Nother didn't have any Irish and didn't know how "The Boat" was tacked > on > to her name and that of her brothers and sisters. There was no boat in > the > family as far back as she could remember. > Leesa in Oregon > Daughter of Nora "The Boat" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> > To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:12 AM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Sullivan Dandy > > > Does anyone know of the origin of the Sullivan Dandy surname? > > They were originally came from area known as Beara Peninsula on the border > of County Kerry (East of Kenmare) and County Cork. > > Kathleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> > To: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com>; <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:12 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy - family tree and branch YDNA > > > > Donal: > > I found the pdf file. It does appear that he did blood group studies > > and > > not YDNA. Blood group will not have enough information, unfortunately. > > > > I am looking forward to reading this paper in depth to see if I can > > glean > > anything that relates to our YDNA research and family study research. > > > > Our research is based on DNA genealogy which links family history and > YDNA > > to identify actual family trees and branches. Population genetics is > > based on probabilities and possibilities. Of course, because our YDNA > > results are limited to those who have taken the YDNA test and have > > joined > > our projects (Eoganacht septs, South Irish and Sullivan) many of the > > family trees will still only represent probabilities and possibilities. > > We need YDNA of those who are identified as clearly belonging to > Eoganacht > > septs and clans to add to the backbone of our research. We have a long > > list of those with strong family histories that form the backbone of our > > research. > > > > Would you know of the existence of an in-depth Eoganacht surname lists > > including cadet branches? My list includes the following to date which > > I > > know is just the tip of the iceberg (most in the list are Sullivan clans > > and cadets): > > > > Barrule, Barry, Bawn, Bogue, Bowe, Bowes, Breac, Brohill, Buaig, > Cahalane, > > Ceartan, Claddy, Cohu, Connelly, Crah, Croumhane, Cumba, Doran, Doyle, > > Drummand, Fune, Giles, Gill, Glanny, Glas, Gow, Hayes, Hea, Hurrig, > Keagh, > > Labhras, Lowney, Lynch, MacArthy, MacAuliffe, MacCarthy, MacCragh, > > MacCrohan, O'Donoghue, MacGillicudy, MacGrath, Maol, Masters, McAuliffe, > > McCarter, McCarthy, McCarty, McGill, McGillicuddy, McGillicudy, McShane, > > Mongan, Mor, O'Bogue, O'Callaghan, O'Cannifree, O'Cohalane/O'Coughlan, > > O'Connell, O'Cronin, O'Dennehy, O'Donnell, O'Duggan, O'Feehan, > O'Flahiffe, > > O'Flynn, O'Keefe, O'Kirby, O'Leary, O'Long, O'Mahoney, O'Moriarty, > > O'Neill, O'Sullivan, Rabach, Rochtirre, Rua, Seer, Shearhig, Silver, > > Skilty, Sughrues, Sullivan, Suonish, Tailor, Ukirre, Uonhi, Vallif, Vera > > > > I also need to find histories for all Eoganacht septs and clans that > match > > the surnames. I am building the larger picture of the Eoganachts > > through > > their descendent YDNA. To date approximately 50% have the South Irish > > modal haplotype. My research includes all those descendents with > > Eoganacht surnames, as well as those who are South Irish and do-not have > > Eoganacht surnames. With the inclusive approach, I believe the complete > > picture of the Eoganachts will be understood. > > > > Perhaps you can refer me to those who have studied the Eoganachts in > > detail. I would like to collaborate with them to build out the complete > > picture of the Eoganachts. > > > > Kathleen > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> > > To: "sbcglobal" <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net>; <beara@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:37 PM > > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy - family tree and branch YDNA > > > > > > Hi Kathleen, > > > > are you aware of the studies conducted by Dr Albert Casey into blood > > types in Sliabh Luachra in the 50/60 ? As the work was done by a > > qualified professional, you may find something of use in his work in > > your own research. > > > > If you do not know of these studies, this reference will give you a > > starting point. > > > > Casey's Remarkable Collection > > www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/pdf/caseyaid.pdfFile<http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Eirlker/pdf/caseyaid.pdfFile>Format: > > PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View > > collection of works edited by Dr. Albert Eugene Casey entitled O'Kief, > > .... And Collector of Historical Records” by T.E. Dowling 3 in Sliabh > > Luachra, ... here and there are found pages of craniometrics, > > pathologies, blood group studies, etc. which > > > > Slan is beannacht, Donal O ... > > > > > > On 1/21/12, sbcglobal <krkerwin@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> Marge: > >> I have been working with Dr. Anatole Klyosov regarding the building of > >> a > >> repeatable process using his work for calculating mutation rates for > >> family > >> trees and branches. I do the work, regarding the interpretation of his > >> work, and he has been gracious enough to review my work for accuracy > >> and > >> whether it fairly represents his work. > >> > >> The result is that we can build family trees and branches within a > >> reasonable range. That this means to us is that if I can find enough > >> YDNA > >> results in a cluster (related) that I can build a family tree that can > >> fairly represent relationships to rebuild septs and clans. > >> > >> My next work break is Feb 17th, at which time I'll start the cluster > >> analysis for all the south Irish modal haplotypes I have in our current > >> study group. I overlap these results with our family stories (such as > >> the > >> one you contributed for your family). Then we view the family tree > >> results > >> interpreting relationships with the confirmed cluster YDNA and family > >> stories. This will yield a compelling story. > >> > >> I'm looking forward conferring with you and finding out the additional > >> family stories you have uncovered. > >> > >> I have a long list of branch names for the Sullivan's and need to build > >> out > >> all branch names for the other Eoganacht septs and clans. Let me know > if > >> you come across any that you can send me. > >> > >> Kathleen > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Marge Sullivan" <hjmcs@optonline.net> > >> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:45 AM > >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Genealogy > >> > >> > >>> Dear Riobard: > >>> > >>> Do branch names tend to be confined to specific townlands, or > >>> areas----at > >>> least early on. I'm wondering if some are more likely to occur in > >>> Beara, > >>> than other areas of Cork. Of course, people did move around, but > >>> perhaps > >>> there was some tendency to stay close to a "homebase" or ancestral > >>> lands. > >>> Something like that. > >>> > >>> Marge > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Riobard O' Dwyer > >>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:17 AM > >>> To: beara@rootsweb.com > >>> Subject: [BEARA] Genealogy > >>> > >>> It may be a good thing, when asking questions, as well as putting down > >>> the > >>> Christian name and surname of the person, to add the maiden name and > >>> surname of the wife, and the place of residence (now) of the couple > >>> (as > >>> well as the place of residence of the wife before she married); the > same > >>> (if known) of the parents of both, and also with the maiden name of > >>> the > >>> wife in question there; the dates of birth, or approx. dates of > >>> birth, > >>> or > >>> even the approx. years of birth, or if possible, the number or approx > >>> number of children in the various families; or anything to help a > person > >>> try and do the necessary. You mightn't have much of the above, but > >>> send > >>> all > >>> you have. Often, the Priest doing the Baptism might put down the > Branch > >>> name instead of the proper surname. There are about 25 different > >>> Branch > >>> names of the Sullivans/O'Sullivans; several for the Harringtons, > >>> McCarthys, > >>> etc., and if a person wasn't aware of these Branch names when > >>> sometimes > >>> trying to sort out what the Priest has put down in the Parish Records, > >>> he > >>> or she may be banging his/her head against a wall. > >>> Riobard. > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes > >>> in > >>> the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes > >>> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > >> in > >> the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message