The first fox that came to Dursey Island at the western of the Beara Peninsula was brought there in a big bag by a French sailor. He went for a meal and dropped the bag with the fox into a hay-shed. But, by the time he came back, the fox had eaten his way out of the bag ---- and the population of hens and ducks on the island had dropped considerably before an island man and the fox parted company as a result of the fox having gone to his eternal reward. Long ago there lived a very wealthy man in Beara. He was very old and knew that his days were nearly over. But he did not want to give his money to a miserly neighbour who was itching to get a hold of it. So the man hid his money under a big stone before he died. The miserly neighbour then began searching and searching for the money, but he could not find it. Years went by, and eventually he came across the big stone. He had just about succeeded in lifting the stone and getting the money underneath, when he slipped and fell into a river in flood close by. Like the fox in the previous story, the miser had ended his days ---- and the money, when found, helped in a small way to improve the following year's budget !! ---- Riobard.

Sue, This family in the 1871 Wales census is definitely mine. John and Margaret Shea were my great grandparents. The census I looked at did not show an age for Timothy Murphy. If he was 74, perhaps he was the father of Margaret (Murphy) Shea, but as she was 27, he seems a bit old to be. The wedding information that Riobard sent me for John and Margaret's marriage in Allihies in 1860, stated that John was the son of James O'Shea and Catherine Haley (Healy). Witnesses were Cornelius Healy and Timothy Murphy. Seeing them in the same household in 1871 in another mining community in Wales makes me feel pretty certain they are all related. The first four children of John and Margaret are in that Wales census. They are in Fall River, Mass in the 1880 census and eventually the rest of their 12 children (including my grandmother) were born there. There is a second line of Sheas in Fall River that go back to a Cornelius and because of all the interaction between the two lines I have felt they are related, if only I could go back to the common ancestor. Now you tell me that Bartholomew was the brother of James Shea. The Cornelius in Fall River, was the son of a Bartholomew and if my source who gave me that line is correct, he was married to a Johanna Sullivan. Cornelius married Honorah O'Leary. I have long suspected that James and Bartholomew might be brothers and if we can pinpoint dates and sources for sure, then you may have given me the link I have been looking for. If this is too much to discuss on the Beara list, perhaps we can continue it off site in our personal emails? I am excited to delve more into this with you. Joan -----Original Message----- From: Susan Haines <sehaines42@gmail.com> To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Mar 15, 2012 1:58 pm Subject: Re: [BEARA] In the olden days. Hello, the John Shea got my attention, so I looked them up. The 1871 ales census, Merthyr Tydfil, shows a Timothy Murphy, age 74, living ith John and Margaret Shea, along with many others, including his other, Catherine Shea. There is also a Dennis Murphy and a Healy looks like Cornelius). My gr gr grandfather was James Shea, though I on't believe he was from Allihies. However, I can't find where he was rom? Mary Healy was a sponsor at the birth of the daughter of artholomew Shea (James Shea's brother) in Merthry. Next door neighbor is a Mary Shea whose daughter, Ellen, seems to have arried William, I think, Harrington. I don't just off hand see other Murphys. Do you know more about this John Shea? Brothers? sisters? Sue On 3/15/2012 11:22 AM, mccarthyjh@aol.com wrote: Terry, I wonder if you have any ages or time frame for the Timothy Murphy who married ora O'Sullivan. There is a Timothy Murphy who was a witness at the 1860 marriage in Allihies f my John Shea and Margaret Murphy. This Timothy is living with them in Wales n the 1871 census and listed as a widower, but no age given. He was probably elated to Margaret Murphy and I am trying to trace the relationship. Joan -----Original Message----- From: Teresa Barnes<barnes149@cox.net> To: Colettad<Colettad@cox.net>; beara<beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Mar 14, 2012 11:52 pm Subject: Re: [BEARA] In the olden days. Riobard, ou are still the greatest!!!!!! Every time I open your books I find nother link to my family!!! I love the stories, hope you have to time to end them to us once in awhile. We all owe you so much! Hi Coletta, ou posted a note on the Beara list. I was wondering if you have any nformation on my Sullivan Suonish? I only know that may gggrandfather michael Holland b1817, died 1897 of ilmacowen married his 3rd cousin Mary O’ Sullivan born ?, died 1862 aughter of John O'Sullivan (Suonish), of Eskavaude, Reentrisk, Allihies arish. Fr. James Devine P.P. officiated. Witnesses : Daniel Sullivan and eremiah Sullivan. arriage information from Riobard O'Dwyer I also know she had a sister Nora. Nora O'Sullivan was also from Reentrisk. he was an aunt of Tady O'Sullivan Suonish of Ekivade, Reentrisk, and of Tim 'Sullivan Suonish N.T., Cluin, Allihies, and was a great grandaunt of ernie (Den Mick) O'Sullivan N.T., Cahermore. Nora married Timothy (Tadhg) urphy (Bawn) Do you have any information on any of them. Any help would be greatly ppreciated. Best Wishes and Happy St. Patricks day to all of Beara list erry olland/ Sullivan (Suonish) of Beara olorado transplant to Arizona ----Original Message----- rom: Coletta ent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:21 PM o: beara@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [BEARA] In the olden days. Riobard, hank you for preserving and sharing these bits of history. They are so very eartwarming. You're the greatest. oletta In Arizona 'Sullivan Suonish of Bere Island -----Original Message----- rom: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On ehalf Of Riobard O' Dwyer ent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:33 AM o: beara@rootsweb.com ubject: [BEARA] In the olden days. Talking about the future, we are told that the dead will arise and appear o many. Thinking about that the other day, I thought to myself: "Where ill the rest of them have gone ?" wonder if your people had the same customs as our people in Beara. When eople came to a wake, a clay pipe filled with tobacco would be given to he men to smoke, and some snuff would be given to the women to inhale. In he middle of the night the Rosary would be said around the corpse. When he coffin was brought out, it was first placed on two chairs outside the oor, and the local woman, who was always known for caoining/lamenting out oudly, would begin (sometimes fortified with a few drops of "the rayture"/whiskey). After the coffin had passed on, the chairs would be urned upside down outside the door.The coffin would usually be brought on cart, with the husband or wife sitting on top of the coffin. It was a ustom that the husband or wife would wear the clothes of the dead person o Mass the following Sunday. ---- Riobard. ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in he subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in he subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

There was a woman living near Eyeries long ago, and her name was Maire Ni Mhurchu (pronounced like Mawire Nee Vuracuu) (or Mary Murphy). It was said that she was in the fairies, and the people were scared of her. She used often travel by night, and she wore a big black shawl. It was felt that she had some power from the devil. The local Parish Priest denounced her from the altar, but everything she told the people turned out to be true. There was a little townland near the sea below Ardgroom. This particular woman in the townland happened to get sick. As the people of Ardgroom believed in the power of fairies, they felt that it was how the fairies in Co. Kerry had taken her away and put another woman in her place. Off went her husband to Maire Ni Mhurchu and told him the story of how his wife was probably taken by the fairies. Maire said that she had. She told him that the Kerry fairies had taken her to a crumbled old house a few miles away, and that the man was to get up on his horse, and gallop as fast as he could to the house, because the Kerry fairies were gone away to frighten some other people. He was to grab hold of his wife, lift her up on his horse and gallop home like the wind before the Kerry fairies found out that she was gone. By the time they got home, the other fairy woman, who had been put in the bed instead of his wife, had disappeared. And the husband and his wife lived happily ever after. ---- Riobard,

Hello, the John Shea got my attention, so I looked them up. The 1871 Wales census, Merthyr Tydfil, shows a Timothy Murphy, age 74, living with John and Margaret Shea, along with many others, including his mother, Catherine Shea. There is also a Dennis Murphy and a Healy (looks like Cornelius). My gr gr grandfather was James Shea, though I don't believe he was from Allihies. However, I can't find where he was from? Mary Healy was a sponsor at the birth of the daughter of Bartholomew Shea (James Shea's brother) in Merthry. Next door neighbor is a Mary Shea whose daughter, Ellen, seems to have married William, I think, Harrington. I don't just off hand see other Murphys. Do you know more about this John Shea? Brothers? sisters? Sue On 3/15/2012 11:22 AM, mccarthyjh@aol.com wrote: > Terry, > > I wonder if you have any ages or time frame for the Timothy Murphy who married Nora O'Sullivan. > > There is a Timothy Murphy who was a witness at the 1860 marriage in Allihies of my John Shea and Margaret Murphy. This Timothy is living with them in Wales in the 1871 census and listed as a widower, but no age given. He was probably related to Margaret Murphy and I am trying to trace the relationship. > > Joan > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Teresa Barnes<barnes149@cox.net> > To: Colettad<Colettad@cox.net>; beara<beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Mar 14, 2012 11:52 pm > Subject: Re: [BEARA] In the olden days. > > > Riobard, > ou are still the greatest!!!!!! Every time I open your books I find > nother link to my family!!! I love the stories, hope you have to time to > end them to us once in awhile. We all owe you so much! > Hi Coletta, > ou posted a note on the Beara list. I was wondering if you have any > nformation on my Sullivan Suonish? > I only know that may gggrandfather michael Holland b1817, died 1897 of > ilmacowen married his 3rd cousin Mary O’ Sullivan born ?, died 1862 > aughter of John O'Sullivan (Suonish), of Eskavaude, Reentrisk, Allihies > arish. Fr. James Devine P.P. officiated. Witnesses : Daniel Sullivan and > eremiah Sullivan. > arriage information from Riobard O'Dwyer > I also know she had a sister Nora. Nora O'Sullivan was also from Reentrisk. > he was an aunt of Tady O'Sullivan Suonish of Ekivade, Reentrisk, and of Tim > 'Sullivan Suonish N.T., Cluin, Allihies, and was a great grandaunt of > ernie (Den Mick) O'Sullivan N.T., Cahermore. Nora married Timothy (Tadhg) > urphy (Bawn) > Do you have any information on any of them. Any help would be greatly > ppreciated. > Best Wishes and Happy St. Patricks day to all of Beara list > erry > olland/ Sullivan (Suonish) of Beara > olorado transplant to Arizona > > > ----Original Message----- > rom: Coletta > ent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:21 PM > o: beara@rootsweb.com > ubject: Re: [BEARA] In the olden days. > Riobard, > hank you for preserving and sharing these bits of history. They are so very > eartwarming. You're the greatest. > oletta In Arizona > 'Sullivan Suonish of Bere Island > -----Original Message----- > rom: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > ehalf Of Riobard O' Dwyer > ent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:33 AM > o: beara@rootsweb.com > ubject: [BEARA] In the olden days. > Talking about the future, we are told that the dead will arise and appear > o many. Thinking about that the other day, I thought to myself: "Where > ill the rest of them have gone ?" > wonder if your people had the same customs as our people in Beara. When > eople came to a wake, a clay pipe filled with tobacco would be given to > he men to smoke, and some snuff would be given to the women to inhale. In > he middle of the night the Rosary would be said around the corpse. When > he coffin was brought out, it was first placed on two chairs outside the > oor, and the local woman, who was always known for caoining/lamenting out > oudly, would begin (sometimes fortified with a few drops of "the > rayture"/whiskey). After the coffin had passed on, the chairs would be > urned upside down outside the door.The coffin would usually be brought on > cart, with the husband or wife sitting on top of the coffin. It was a > ustom that the husband or wife would wear the clothes of the dead person > o Mass the following Sunday. > ---- Riobard. > ------------------------------- > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > EARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > he subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > EARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > he subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Terry, I wonder if you have any ages or time frame for the Timothy Murphy who married Nora O'Sullivan. There is a Timothy Murphy who was a witness at the 1860 marriage in Allihies of my John Shea and Margaret Murphy. This Timothy is living with them in Wales in the 1871 census and listed as a widower, but no age given. He was probably related to Margaret Murphy and I am trying to trace the relationship. Joan -----Original Message----- From: Teresa Barnes <barnes149@cox.net> To: Colettad <Colettad@cox.net>; beara <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Mar 14, 2012 11:52 pm Subject: Re: [BEARA] In the olden days. Riobard, ou are still the greatest!!!!!! Every time I open your books I find nother link to my family!!! I love the stories, hope you have to time to end them to us once in awhile. We all owe you so much! Hi Coletta, ou posted a note on the Beara list. I was wondering if you have any nformation on my Sullivan Suonish? I only know that may gggrandfather michael Holland b1817, died 1897 of ilmacowen married his 3rd cousin Mary O’ Sullivan born ?, died 1862 aughter of John O'Sullivan (Suonish), of Eskavaude, Reentrisk, Allihies arish. Fr. James Devine P.P. officiated. Witnesses : Daniel Sullivan and eremiah Sullivan. arriage information from Riobard O'Dwyer I also know she had a sister Nora. Nora O'Sullivan was also from Reentrisk. he was an aunt of Tady O'Sullivan Suonish of Ekivade, Reentrisk, and of Tim 'Sullivan Suonish N.T., Cluin, Allihies, and was a great grandaunt of ernie (Den Mick) O'Sullivan N.T., Cahermore. Nora married Timothy (Tadhg) urphy (Bawn) Do you have any information on any of them. Any help would be greatly ppreciated. Best Wishes and Happy St. Patricks day to all of Beara list erry olland/ Sullivan (Suonish) of Beara olorado transplant to Arizona ----Original Message----- rom: Coletta ent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:21 PM o: beara@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [BEARA] In the olden days. Riobard, hank you for preserving and sharing these bits of history. They are so very eartwarming. You're the greatest. oletta In Arizona 'Sullivan Suonish of Bere Island -----Original Message----- rom: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On ehalf Of Riobard O' Dwyer ent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:33 AM o: beara@rootsweb.com ubject: [BEARA] In the olden days. Talking about the future, we are told that the dead will arise and appear o many. Thinking about that the other day, I thought to myself: "Where ill the rest of them have gone ?" wonder if your people had the same customs as our people in Beara. When eople came to a wake, a clay pipe filled with tobacco would be given to he men to smoke, and some snuff would be given to the women to inhale. In he middle of the night the Rosary would be said around the corpse. When he coffin was brought out, it was first placed on two chairs outside the oor, and the local woman, who was always known for caoining/lamenting out oudly, would begin (sometimes fortified with a few drops of "the rayture"/whiskey). After the coffin had passed on, the chairs would be urned upside down outside the door.The coffin would usually be brought on cart, with the husband or wife sitting on top of the coffin. It was a ustom that the husband or wife would wear the clothes of the dead person o Mass the following Sunday. ---- Riobard. ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in he subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in he subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Oh Riobard, another gem. Thank you ~Coletta -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Riobard O' Dwyer Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:06 AM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: [BEARA] Mary Murphy & the fairies !! There was a woman living near Eyeries long ago, and her name was Maire Ni Mhurchu (pronounced like Mawire Nee Vuracuu) (or Mary Murphy). It was said that she was in the fairies, and the people were scared of her. She used often travel by night, and she wore a big black shawl. It was felt that she had some power from the devil. The local Parish Priest denounced her from the altar, but everything she told the people turned out to be true. There was a little townland near the sea below Ardgroom. This particular woman in the townland happened to get sick. As the people of Ardgroom believed in the power of fairies, they felt that it was how the fairies in Co. Kerry had taken her away and put another woman in her place. Off went her husband to Maire Ni Mhurchu and told him the story of how his wife was probably taken by the fairies. Maire said that she had. She told him that the Kerry fairies had taken her to a crumbled old house a few miles away, and that the man was to get up on his horse, and gallop as fast as he could to the house, because the Kerry fairies were gone away to frighten some other people. He was to grab hold of his wife, lift her up on his horse and gallop home like the wind before the Kerry fairies found out that she was gone. By the time they got home, the other fairy woman, who had been put in the bed instead of his wife, had disappeared. And the husband and his wife lived happily ever after. ---- Riobard, ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Riobard, You are still the greatest!!!!!! Every time I open your books I find another link to my family!!! I love the stories, hope you have to time to send them to us once in awhile. We all owe you so much! Hi Coletta, you posted a note on the Beara list. I was wondering if you have any information on my Sullivan Suonish? I only know that may gggrandfather michael Holland b1817, died 1897 of Kilmacowen married his 3rd cousin Mary O’ Sullivan born ?, died 1862 daughter of John O'Sullivan (Suonish), of Eskavaude, Reentrisk, Allihies Parish. Fr. James Devine P.P. officiated. Witnesses : Daniel Sullivan and Jeremiah Sullivan. marriage information from Riobard O'Dwyer I also know she had a sister Nora. Nora O'Sullivan was also from Reentrisk. She was an aunt of Tady O'Sullivan Suonish of Ekivade, Reentrisk, and of Tim O'Sullivan Suonish N.T., Cluin, Allihies, and was a great grandaunt of Bernie (Den Mick) O'Sullivan N.T., Cahermore. Nora married Timothy (Tadhg) Murphy (Bawn) Do you have any information on any of them. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Best Wishes and Happy St. Patricks day to all of Beara list Terry Holland/ Sullivan (Suonish) of Beara Colorado transplant to Arizona -----Original Message----- From: Coletta Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:21 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] In the olden days. Riobard, Thank you for preserving and sharing these bits of history. They are so very heartwarming. You're the greatest. Coletta In Arizona O'Sullivan Suonish of Bere Island -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Riobard O' Dwyer Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:33 AM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: [BEARA] In the olden days. Talking about the future, we are told that the dead will arise and appear to many. Thinking about that the other day, I thought to myself: "Where will the rest of them have gone ?" I wonder if your people had the same customs as our people in Beara. When people came to a wake, a clay pipe filled with tobacco would be given to the men to smoke, and some snuff would be given to the women to inhale. In the middle of the night the Rosary would be said around the corpse. When the coffin was brought out, it was first placed on two chairs outside the door, and the local woman, who was always known for caoining/lamenting out loudly, would begin (sometimes fortified with a few drops of "the crayture"/whiskey). After the coffin had passed on, the chairs would be turned upside down outside the door.The coffin would usually be brought on a cart, with the husband or wife sitting on top of the coffin. It was a custom that the husband or wife would wear the clothes of the dead person to Mass the following Sunday. ---- Riobard. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Riobard, Thank you for preserving and sharing these bits of history. They are so very heartwarming. You're the greatest. Coletta In Arizona O'Sullivan Suonish of Bere Island -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Riobard O' Dwyer Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:33 AM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: [BEARA] In the olden days. Talking about the future, we are told that the dead will arise and appear to many. Thinking about that the other day, I thought to myself: "Where will the rest of them have gone ?" I wonder if your people had the same customs as our people in Beara. When people came to a wake, a clay pipe filled with tobacco would be given to the men to smoke, and some snuff would be given to the women to inhale. In the middle of the night the Rosary would be said around the corpse. When the coffin was brought out, it was first placed on two chairs outside the door, and the local woman, who was always known for caoining/lamenting out loudly, would begin (sometimes fortified with a few drops of "the crayture"/whiskey). After the coffin had passed on, the chairs would be turned upside down outside the door.The coffin would usually be brought on a cart, with the husband or wife sitting on top of the coffin. It was a custom that the husband or wife would wear the clothes of the dead person to Mass the following Sunday. ---- Riobard. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Riobard for another fascinating story about the customs of our ancestors. Sent from my iPad On Mar 14, 2012, at 8:15 AM, KTRACY1999@aol.com wrote: > Dear Riobard, > > I am always ready to read more about the customs or anything else about > the Beara area from you! > > My heartfelt thanks to you for all that you have given me in my family > research and the time I spent with you and Joan two years ago is a special time > I will never forget. > > Kathleen Tracy~CT. > Researching: Mary SHEA and Timothy LYNCH, Cappyaughna, Glengarriff. > > ORIGINAL POSTING: > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 10:33:08 +0000 > From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <bearariobard@gmail.com> > Subject: [BEARA] In the olden days. > > > Talking about the future, we are told that the dead will arise and appear > to many. Thinking about that the other day, I thought to myself: "Where > will the rest of them have gone ?" > I wonder if your people had the same customs as our people in Beara. When > people came to a wake, a clay pipe filled with tobacco would be given to > the men to smoke, and some snuff would be given to the women to inhale. In > the middle of the night the Rosary would be said around the corpse. When > the coffin was brought out, it was first placed on two chairs outside the > door, and the local woman, who was always known for caoining/lamenting out > loudly, would begin (sometimes fortified with a few drops of "the > crayture"/whiskey). After the coffin had passed on, the chairs would be > turned upside down outside the door.The coffin would usually be brought on > a cart, with the husband or wife sitting on top of the coffin. It was a > custom that the husband or wife would wear the clothes of the dead person > to Mass the following Sunday. > ---- Riobard. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Riobard, I am always ready to read more about the customs or anything else about the Beara area from you! My heartfelt thanks to you for all that you have given me in my family research and the time I spent with you and Joan two years ago is a special time I will never forget. Kathleen Tracy~CT. Researching: Mary SHEA and Timothy LYNCH, Cappyaughna, Glengarriff. ORIGINAL POSTING: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 10:33:08 +0000 From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <bearariobard@gmail.com> Subject: [BEARA] In the olden days. Talking about the future, we are told that the dead will arise and appear to many. Thinking about that the other day, I thought to myself: "Where will the rest of them have gone ?" I wonder if your people had the same customs as our people in Beara. When people came to a wake, a clay pipe filled with tobacco would be given to the men to smoke, and some snuff would be given to the women to inhale. In the middle of the night the Rosary would be said around the corpse. When the coffin was brought out, it was first placed on two chairs outside the door, and the local woman, who was always known for caoining/lamenting out loudly, would begin (sometimes fortified with a few drops of "the crayture"/whiskey). After the coffin had passed on, the chairs would be turned upside down outside the door.The coffin would usually be brought on a cart, with the husband or wife sitting on top of the coffin. It was a custom that the husband or wife would wear the clothes of the dead person to Mass the following Sunday. ---- Riobard.

HI Riobard and all..... since I was at the funeral of an old neighbor in my home townland yesterday and there is just four more of the older generation left........ with just four of my generation older than me next in line, it is, it would seem an appropriate subject. Sean McCarthy the man who penned Shanagolden, Red Haired Mary and all those other fine ballads was a friend of mine for years and whenever we visited a graveyard, he had a saying " Sweet loving heart of Jezus Siodhachain when you know more inside the wall than outside, then it is time you were thinking of going inside yourself " ! After a walk around our local graveyard yesterday, I now qualify on that score in the village where I went to mass and where my parents and grandparents earthly remains are buried. Just a poem for now however on this theme from a Christian perspective : Riobard's query has inherent within it questions and assumptions about the nature of life and death so I will send Bill a short essay on Celtic death concepts and customs for posting on our sister page in the next couple of days rather than disrupt normal post here as no doubt there will be a follow up and plenty comment.. Slan is beannacht, Donal O' Note : Alice from Fermanagh and her husband Con from Donegal, both RIP, left Ireland in the thirties with just two suitcase and retired in Scotland owning two adjoining boarding houses in Glasgow where they lived and worked. These have since been turned into a fourstar hotel. Alice was a most remarkable woman, a 'late bloomer' that took off in all directions in her forties including getting a car and learning to drive. She loved taking her children to Loch Lomand for picnics and walks around the lake to give them an appreciation of countryside and nature like she herself knew in her own childhood. In her seventies Alice wrote a book " It's A Long Way From Roslea " She has a cousin in Colorado ( Hi daughter Karen) in her eighties who is also Matriarch of a large clan, another remarkable woman who some years back, got the freedom of her local town and a parade in her honor. Loch Lomond Farewell (for Alice Herron, RIP, and for her family) Did you walk again Loch Lomond’s hills with The waters bright beneath, Sharp thorn whins in Full yellow bloom – The purples on the heath; While gentle winds Blowing up the glen Made water ripples run, Each sparkling wave A golden sheen in The setting evening sun. Did you remember By gone times as A winsome tear you cried, Thinking of your children’s play – Or their footsteps at your side; When you brought them Here from city streets To the birdsong and the bees, With child and grandchild You will now live on In memories such as these. Did you pause And linger there To recall your early life, But vanished now All pain and tears Worry, work and strife; So look around you One last time with Eyes that now can see, The smiling man That calls to you is Mary’s son from Galilee. On 3/13/12, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: > Talking about the future, we are told that the dead will arise and appear > to many. Thinking about that the other day, I thought to myself: "Where > will the rest of them have gone ?" > I wonder if your people had the same customs as our people in Beara. When > people came to a wake, a clay pipe filled with tobacco would be given to > the men to smoke, and some snuff would be given to the women to inhale. In > the middle of the night the Rosary would be said around the corpse. When > the coffin was brought out, it was first placed on two chairs outside the > door, and the local woman, who was always known for caoining/lamenting out > loudly, would begin (sometimes fortified with a few drops of "the > crayture"/whiskey). After the coffin had passed on, the chairs would be > turned upside down outside the door.The coffin would usually be brought on > a cart, with the husband or wife sitting on top of the coffin. It was a > custom that the husband or wife would wear the clothes of the dead person > to Mass the following Sunday. > ---- Riobard. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

Talking about the future, we are told that the dead will arise and appear to many. Thinking about that the other day, I thought to myself: "Where will the rest of them have gone ?" I wonder if your people had the same customs as our people in Beara. When people came to a wake, a clay pipe filled with tobacco would be given to the men to smoke, and some snuff would be given to the women to inhale. In the middle of the night the Rosary would be said around the corpse. When the coffin was brought out, it was first placed on two chairs outside the door, and the local woman, who was always known for caoining/lamenting out loudly, would begin (sometimes fortified with a few drops of "the crayture"/whiskey). After the coffin had passed on, the chairs would be turned upside down outside the door.The coffin would usually be brought on a cart, with the husband or wife sitting on top of the coffin. It was a custom that the husband or wife would wear the clothes of the dead person to Mass the following Sunday. ---- Riobard.

Go raibh céad míle maith agat, a Riobáird, as do shár-obair.  Is rí-bhárd thú agus rí-laoch thú i measc na nGael.   Go maire Beara agus a muintir go deo! Le gach dea-ghuí, Gearóid --- On Tue, 2/21/12, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> Subject: [BEARA] Goodbye to my Records from Beara. To: beara@rootsweb.com, bearariobard@gmail.com Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 8:13 AM Dear people of Beara@rootsweb. com                                                              The time has come to pass on and say goodbye to my Records from Beara which will shortly be housed by the NEHGS, the Genealogical, etc. Society, the oldest library collection in the world, founded in Boston in 1845, and will be available, to all researchers, from their address in 99-101 Newbury Street, Boston, Mass.,  reasonably shortly ---- in possibly six months, or so. For circa 50 years, and often into the early hours of the morning, I have spent, all on my own, researching our Beara ancestors of the 6 Parishes of the Peninsula, and trying to trace them all over the world. As a result of my research I had, as you might say, driven myself "into the ground" so much so that I spent time in Hospital and at home, during which my wife Joan thought that I had about two weeks to live at one stage. But, however, I pulled myself together and battled back, and "tore into my research work" once more. I am delighted to have saved what would have been lost forever. The people (and especially the old people, who have long since gone to their eternal reward R.I.P.) and the Priests of the various Parishes were really helpful, So was my faithful accordion, now 53 years old but still going strong. I had once to purchase a new trousers, as the one I was wearing at the time got torn by the furze and briars in one of the Cemeteries, as I was often even on my hands and knees, trying to "make out" what was written on the headstones.                                                             During all that time I travelled thousands of miles. However, one the things that kept me going over those years was the happiness that my work has brought to the high number of people all over the world who would have never been able to trace their ancestors, or who would never have met, or have been put in contact with many relatives that they had never before heard of,                                                             As a result, many, many people have come to visit the lovely, scenic, Beara Peninsula, the land of their ancestors. My wife Joan and I have had the pleasure of meeting several of the nicest and most appreciative people you could find. Many have arrived at our door in the the middle of my meals or of my research work on Family Trees, but we have always made them welcome in our home, and I have often played Irish traditional music on my accordion for them, and have done our utmost to make their visit to the Peninsula of their ancestors a most memorable and happy one.                                                             Now, in some of the lovely words of the Poet Tim McCarthy, I will finish with our best wishes to all:       "Dear Beara, my memories shall ever be cherished        Whatever my fate or my fortune may be,        And though I am destined to sail o'er the ocean,        My thoughts shall forever turn fondly to thee".                            ---- Riobard, ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All,: this may not be specific to the query in question but this information may also be of some value. Cork City Library have a very good ' Cork Collection' and that included a good selection of early bound copies of some Cork Newspapers. It also has a very good selection of other books and records. http://www.corkcitylibraries.ie/central/corklocalstudies/ The Cork County Library also has a very good local special collection. This reference was probably already given elsewhere but it is still worth another reminder. I do not know what the staffing levels or the budgets are like in both Libraries at present. However over the years both institutions had some of the most mannerly, helpful, knowledgeable and efficient staff to be found anywhere. For those outside the country an em mail query may produce results depending on staff time available. This was probably given before : it is the general Cork records archives list and for those who do not have it, the site address is worth copying and keeping. http://www.corkarchives.ie/collections/ Slan is beannacht, Donal O On 3/6/12, Teresa Barnes <barnes149@cox.net> wrote: > Bill, > Hope all is well~ > If it lists the year on the index of the Cork examiner as completed, where > would I find the completed obits? > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Gawne > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 11:24 AM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BEARA] Irish obit index > > This may be useful to someone. It would be better if the index > provided a link to the actual obituary, but at least this will tell > you where to look. I found a few Lowney names from Castletownbere, so > it is providing some Beara coverage. > > http://www.irelandoldnews.com/obits/ > > > -- Bill > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Terry, and all you good folks reading this in the Beara list, I suppose contacting the offices of the Cork Examiner might help. Other than that, I've no blessed idea. I'm doing well, since you ask. Just very busy since January with a new project. Bill Teresa Barnes <barnes149@cox.net> writes: > Bill, > Hope all is well~ > If it lists the year on the index of the Cork examiner as completed, where > would I find the completed obits? > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Gawne > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 11:24 AM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BEARA] Irish obit index > > This may be useful to someone. It would be better if the index > provided a link to the actual obituary, but at least this will tell > you where to look. I found a few Lowney names from Castletownbere, so > it is providing some Beara coverage. > > http://www.irelandoldnews.com/obits/ > > > -- Bill > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Bill

Bill, Hope all is well~ If it lists the year on the index of the Cork examiner as completed, where would I find the completed obits? Terry -----Original Message----- From: Bill Gawne Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 11:24 AM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: [BEARA] Irish obit index This may be useful to someone. It would be better if the index provided a link to the actual obituary, but at least this will tell you where to look. I found a few Lowney names from Castletownbere, so it is providing some Beara coverage. http://www.irelandoldnews.com/obits/ -- Bill ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:00 AM, <beara-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hello Wendy and Jim, > Your posts 1. Allihies (gwynneth39@comcast.net) and 2. Re: Allihies ( greenane@verizon.net) gave me hope that I might find a connection to my family. My great-grandmother, Mary Clara Conroy, married my great-grandfather, Cornelius Harrington, in Houghton, MI in 1863. Per Cornelius' death certificate, he was from "BearHaven" and had ties to Allihies, but even with the help of Riobard we have been unable to track down other family members of that generation. Do these two names show up anywhere on your family trees? They had family in Boston (Daniel/Donal Harrington in Fall River, MA), but after Michigan, they moved to Butte, Montana then Silver Lake, Utah then Spokane, Washington where they bought land and invested in silver mines. Their children were John H., Patrick C., Jerome Joseph, Cornelius C., Margaret A., Michael, Kathryn/Katherine, Timothy L, and Clara Mary. Will keep fingers crossed! Kind regards, Betsy Harrington > > > > > -- >

Just watched "60 Minutes" on CBS here in Chicago. They were interviewing the Archbishop of Dublin about the Priest scandal when lo and behold they took you to Allihies. They gave some lovely shots of Allihies, the Strand, a view of the sea from the cemetery and a lovely view of the village from the air. My husband was thrilled as he was born and bred in Allihies. They also talked to a couple of people and showed you the church in Allihies as well as the people and Priest during Mass. Wendy Conroy.

Hi Wendy,I spent alot of time in Allihies as a kid,but the name Conroy doesnt ring a bellMy Mother was O'neill of cahirmeelabo and she Married my dad in Bere Island. I spent almost every Summer there back in th forties with my cousins who were Harringtons but some of them were called Neills(it could only happen in Allihies). Anyway I was thrilled to see the old place.I am Jim Murphy from Bere Island now living in Boston Beara abu Jim. On 03/04/12, gwynneth39@comcast.net wrote: Just watched "60 Minutes" on CBS here in Chicago. They were interviewing the Archbishop of Dublin about the Priest scandal when lo and behold they took you to Allihies. They gave some lovely shots of Allihies, the Strand, a view of the sea from the cemetery and a lovely view of the village from the air. My husband was thrilled as he was born and bred in Allihies. They also talked to a couple of people and showed you the church in Allihies as well as the people and Priest during Mass. Wendy Conroy. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [1]BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:BEARA-request@rootsweb.com

Again Bill, Thank you so much for all your little hints during the year! You are terrific and greatly appreciated! Linda A. On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 13:24:21 -0500 Bill Gawne <gawne@cesmail.net> wrote: > This may be useful to someone. It would be better if the index > provided a link to the actual obituary, but at least this will tell > you where to look. I found a few Lowney names from Castletownbere, so > it is providing some Beara coverage. > > http://www.irelandoldnews.com/obits/ > > > -- Bill > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message CONFIDENTIALITY:This email contains confidential information. If you receive it in error, please destroy/delete all text and attachments and notify sender. Thank You