Healy is typically a Surname from Cork, I have never seen it used in any other form. Best wishes..........Kieran Healy

Dear Susan,   I don't know about the Irish custom of giving a middle name a surname, but my ancestors on the English side (from Lancashire, going back to 1500AD.) and their neighbours often gave this middle/surname to children, where the mother or grandmother had married into the family (this middle/surname being the mother's or grandmother's maiden surname).    It seems to have happened several times down through the generations.  Also, two of our Lancashire middle/surnames are Preston and Eccleston, which are also a town and village in Lancashire, from whence nearby they came.    (Many Lancashire catholic families emigrated to Ireland during the Cromwellian persecutions (1600s).  Lancashire was one of the last stanchly catholic areas, and the landowners had the choice of remaining catholic and giving up their lands, or converting to church of England and retaining their lands.  Many were tortured, including one of my ancestors Edmund Bamber who was hung, drawn and quartered and held at Lancaster Castle (one of the last catholic martyrs and a priest - 1640s)).   This is a good way of "casting the net a bit wider" in finding relatives, particular in that north eastern England neck of the woods, as so many religiously persecuted immigrants arrived from England onto Irish shores, and some of the customs would have filtered down through the generations.    Good luck with your Healys,   Kind regards, Mary Funnell Brighton, East Sussex, England   (P.S. I have some lovely photographs and memories of the Healy Pass, takes me back to when my mum and nanny were alive and in the photographs).   ________________________________ From: Susan Twomey <mtpv@arcatanet.com> To: beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 24 March 2012, 19:03 Subject: [BEARA] Healy Riobard and all, Thanks so much for all of your insights and stories about the Oak forests! I recently discovered that my great grandfather Pat McKenna who was born c. 1835 in Listowel, Kerry was given the middle name Healy.  His parents Pat McKenna and Sarah/Sally Stack of Listowel/Duagh, Kerry were married there c. 1832 and then settled in the Upper Pennisula of Michigan c. 1860. I don't know of any other relative with this name HEALY, so I am wondering where it came from...a well-loved person or place his parents would have known at the time? /Susan Thanks On Mar 24, 2012, at 5:23 AM, Riobard O' Dwyer wrote: > Later in the morning. Glenmore Lake & overlooking wood are overlooked again > by the famous Healy Pass. I can't remember [I told so many things to > Beara-L over the years} if I told you the story of the American visitor & > the Healy Pass. Up at the top are Statues of the Crucifixion together with > other Holy Statues. The visitor, after driving up the winding road to the > top of the Healy Pass, stopped to study the Statues. And, looking up at the > Statues, he asked some people standing by: "Say", says he. "Which of these > guys up there is Healy ?" III. He thought that one of the Holy Statues was > a Statue of Tim Healy ---- after whom the Healy Pass is named. Beside the > most beautiful Glenmore Lake is a lovely restaurant known as Josies. There, > together with my wife Joan, we are looking forward in September to spending > a most interesting and relaxing evening with the well-known Crowley Clan > Leader, Tom, on his annual visit from the States. >                      ---- Riobard. > > > On 24 March 2012 10:37, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Forest. The area you are thinking about is Glenmore Lake in the Lauragh >> area of Co. Kerry, overlooked by the nearby wood. The fairly big wood is >> connected to, but much higher than the lake itself. It is on part of a >> hill. and, in a straight line, would be close enough to Bawers in the >> Eyeries Parish, Beara Peninsula. The townland of Glenmore in Co. Kerry, >> more or less adjoins the townland of Bawers. >>                Riobard. >> >> >> On 24 March 2012 02:04, <kerstentm@snowcrest.net> wrote: >> >>> One of the stories that I was told about our Uohni family >>>  (my great grandfather was Phil J. Harrington of Bawers) >>>  was that they originally weren't from the Beara penisula >>>  but were from an area just east of there.  The story said that >>>  they lived where the forest and lake came together.  I'm not >>>  remembering the lake name, but will try to recall it. >>>    Theresa >>> >>>> Gone to English warships, everyone. >>>> Oh when will they ever learn?? >>>> Reg-Canada >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Susan Twomey" <mtpv@arcatanet.com> >>>> To: <BEARA@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:05 AM >>>> Subject: [BEARA] oak tree forests >>>> >>>> >>>>> Does anyone know the history of oak forests in Ireland, especially >>>>> Beara. >>>>> Were there ancient forests there?  What happened to them. >>>>> >>>>> What I have heard is that the ancient and sacred oak forests were a >>>>> threat >>>>> to the occupying folks...normans, English et al...because the local >>>>> folks >>>>> could hide in them.  What is the story in Beara? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> /Susan Twomey >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes >>>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------- >>> This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. >>> http://www.snowcrest.net >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >> >> >> >> > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Susan Twomey 319 Howard Heights Rd Eureka, CA 95503 tel 707-444-2522 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Donal, Thank you so much for your detailed description! One more insight into how things were... I remember my mother and family passing on a deep-seated resentment toward "the English". Although today I try to overcome a little of my innate prejudices, and have lived all of my life in America, I feel that this history of oppression and destruction in my native land still lives in my blood. Living here in the redwood forest of northern California, we have been trying to protect our forests from absentee landlords who buy private property, and then clear cut everything in sight, then ship the fallen trees overseas to be milled...for profit. Leaving the forestlands desolate, they burn whatever extra is leftover, creating polluting smoke in the beautiful clean air here. Until only a couple of years ago, one absentee landlord who lives in Texas was having workers carry out about one million board-feet a day for a number of years, especially in the 1990's...and proud of it. He finally went bankrupt a few years ago. But much of the forest has been destroyed. You mention that the forests were a source of food and shelter...I did not think of that. It is well-known here that the native people/Indian tribes have traditionally depended on the forest ecology for food...acorns for flour, plants and herbs for food and medicine, animals who live in the forest... Wow... Thank you. /Susan On Mar 25, 2012, at 10:57 AM, donal O'Siodhachain wrote: > Hi Suasan et al : general answer re the forests, to begin with you > must try and imagine a totally different landscape and ecology. If you > look up the New Forest in the UK, this is the nearest on these Islands > to the Old Ecology. > > As to the terrain it self, bear in mind that up to the end of the > 1700's it was easier to go by sea from Waterford to Wales than it was > to go overland to Limerick. An English traveller spend three days in > Kanturk waiting for a reliable guide to take him to Listowel in the > late 1700's........ a little over one and a half hours by motor car > and current roads. > > Post the Desmond Wars and the Elizabethan Wars a Crown decision was > taken to cut down all the great woods; to deprive the Irish 'Wood > Kerns' ( disposessed Irish ) of shelter and a base was the primary > intention, but a secondary reason involved deliberate destruction of > the whole food producing ecology and implement the policy advocated by > Spenser and others of deliberately introducing widespread famine to > 'ethnic cleanse' and wipe out the native Irish. > > Only a small part of these woods went to productive use, the normal > operation was to fell vast swarts of trees along a ten mile or more > front and then the first time that there was a strong breeze in the > required direction, the felled break was fired along the whole front > creating a firestorm that swept right through living wood and until it > burned itself out. > > This process was repeated over fourteen years until there was a bare > landscape left behind. Highland hills soon had their topsoil washed > away and previously fertile Lowland valleys became swamps with > frequent mud slides. ( see Kerry : 'Runaway Bog' ) What was done back > then was an offense to both God and man. Munster and most other areas > still have huge desolate areaws of Hiland terrain dating back to this > sacraligeous, wanton, deliberate destruction. > > As a child working in the bog in our family turf bank in the summer, I > often see fireblackened stumps uncovered and witnessed for my self the > raw anger that sight of these fire blackened stumps produced in my own > father and his neighbours over four hundred. ( Bill, away from base, > please post the poem [ shorter one] re the above in the sister page if > you still have it, DOS ) > > Slan is beannacht, Donal O. > > On 3/24/12, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: >> Forest. The area you are thinking about is Glenmore Lake in the Lauragh >> area of Co. Kerry, overlooked by the nearby wood. The fairly big wood is >> connected to, but much higher than the lake itself. It is on part of a >> hill. and, in a straight line, would be close enough to Bawers in the >> Eyeries Parish, Beara Peninsula. The townland of Glenmore in Co. Kerry, >> more or less adjoins the townland of Bawers. >> Riobard. >> >> On 24 March 2012 02:04, <kerstentm@snowcrest.net> wrote: >> >>> One of the stories that I was told about our Uohni family >>> (my great grandfather was Phil J. Harrington of Bawers) >>> was that they originally weren't from the Beara penisula >>> but were from an area just east of there. The story said that >>> they lived where the forest and lake came together. I'm not >>> remembering the lake name, but will try to recall it. >>> Theresa >>> >>>> Gone to English warships, everyone. >>>> Oh when will they ever learn?? >>>> Reg-Canada >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Susan Twomey" <mtpv@arcatanet.com> >>>> To: <BEARA@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:05 AM >>>> Subject: [BEARA] oak tree forests >>>> >>>> >>>>> Does anyone know the history of oak forests in Ireland, especially >>>>> Beara. >>>>> Were there ancient forests there? What happened to them. >>>>> >>>>> What I have heard is that the ancient and sacred oak forests were a >>>>> threat >>>>> to the occupying folks...normans, English et al...because the local >>>>> folks >>>>> could hide in them. What is the story in Beara? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> /Susan Twomey >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes >>>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------- >>> This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. >>> http://www.snowcrest.net >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Susan Twomey 319 Howard Heights Rd Eureka, CA 95503 tel 707-444-2522

Thanks, Mary. I am aware of this tradition of middle surnames...my gg grandfather's mother was Sarah/Sally Stack, so I dismissed that possibility...but you say it could be his grandmother's surname...good to know...I will explore this! I also have family members named after places...Montana, Lorretto... Thanks for your insights. I wonder how many of my Irish family originated in England? I have not thought of this before and haven't been able so far to trace back before 1790's for most. /Susan On Mar 25, 2012, at 6:39 AM, Mary Funnell wrote: > Dear Susan, > > I don't know about the Irish custom of giving a middle name a surname, but my ancestors on the English side (from Lancashire, going back to 1500AD.) and their neighbours often gave this middle/surname to children, where the mother or grandmother had married into the family (this middle/surname being the mother's or grandmother's maiden surname). > > It seems to have happened several times down through the generations. Also, two of our Lancashire middle/surnames are Preston and Eccleston, which are also a town and village in Lancashire, from whence nearby they came. > > (Many Lancashire catholic families emigrated to Ireland during the Cromwellian persecutions (1600s). Lancashire was one of the last stanchly catholic areas, and the landowners had the choice of remaining catholic and giving up their lands, or converting to church of England and retaining their lands. Many were tortured, including one of my ancestors Edmund Bamber who was hung, drawn and quartered and held at Lancaster Castle (one of the last catholic martyrs and a priest - 1640s)). > > This is a good way of "casting the net a bit wider" in finding relatives, particular in that north eastern England neck of the woods, as so many religiously persecuted immigrants arrived from England onto Irish shores, and some of the customs would have filtered down through the generations. > > Good luck with your Healys, > > Kind regards, > Mary Funnell > Brighton, East Sussex, England > > (P.S. I have some lovely photographs and memories of the Healy Pass, takes me back to when my mum and nanny were alive and in the photographs). > > > >

Hi Noreen,  I wonder what the thinking was behind the custom of wearing the deceased clothes to mass?  Very intriguing... Margaret O'Neill ----- Original Message ----- From: noreen910@aol.com To: beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 2:14:55 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] In the olden days. I remember my mother talking of when her mother died in Lauragh, Tuosist.  She remembered a neighbor wearing her mother's clothes to Mass for (I think) three Sundays.  She was very young and all she could think of was that her mother's shawl was so beautiful that she wanted the neighbor to give it back.  Interesting how they molded superstious traditions into the faith! -----Original Message----- From: mtmm <mtmm@comcast.net> To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:06 pm Subject: Re: [BEARA] In the olden days. Hello everyone,  I found this piece from Riobard very interesting.  I often eard stories about death and funerals from my father and grandparents.  I ecall my father saying it was to be an honor to be asked to dig the grave of he deceased.  My father told of one time, when he had to dig the grave for omeone(forget who) but that the custom was to remove the last one in and then he recent death, w ould go on the bottom .   This occasion, the prior death was ot long before and it was not an easy or pleasant  task. I also re call that when my paternal grandmother, Maggie Kelly O'Neill, died; he was buried in a kind of shroud with a hood. I wonder how long that custom ent on in Beara. Do you think that the person would make a burial gown for hemselves and have it ready for the time of their death?   I never heard of the iece that Riobard relayed of:  " It was a custom that the husband or wife would ear the clothes of the dead person to Mass the following Sunday."  It is nteresting hearing of the customs around death/dying and burials. I'd be interested in anyone's thoughts.  Thanks, Margaret O'Neill East Taunton, Mass ----- Original Message ----- om: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <bearariobard@gmail.com> o: beara@rootsweb.com ent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:33:08 AM ubject: [BEARA] In the olden days. Talking about the future, we are told that the dead will arise and appear o many. Thinking about that the other day, I thought to myself: "Where ill the rest of them have gone ?"  wonder if your people had the same customs as our people in Beara. When eople came to a wake, a clay pipe filled with tobacco would be given to he men to smoke, and some snuff would be given to the women to inhale. In he middle of the night the Rosary would be said around the corpse. When he coffin was brought out, it was first placed on two chairs outside the oor, and the local woman, who was always known for caoining/lamenting out oudly, would begin (sometimes fortified with a few drops of "the rayture"/whiskey). After the coffin had passed on, the chairs would be urned upside down outside the door.The coffin would usually be brought on  cart, with the husband or wife sitting on top of the coffin. It was a ustom that the husband or wife would wear the clothes of the dead person o Mass the following Sunday.           ---- Riobard.   ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello everyone,  I found this piece from Riobard very interesting.  I often heard stories about death and funerals from my father and grandparents.  I recall my father saying it was to be an honor to be asked to dig the grave of the deceased.  My father told of one time, when he had to dig the grave for someone(forget who) but that the custom was to remove the last one in and then the recent death, w ould go on the bottom .   This occasion, the prior death was not long before and it was not an easy or pleasant  task. I also re call that when my paternal grandmother, Maggie Kelly O'Neill, died; she was buried in a kind of shroud with a hood. I wonder how long that custom went on in Beara. Do you think that the person would make a burial gown for themselves and have it ready for the time of their death?   I never heard of the piece that Riobard relayed of:  " It was a custom that the husband or wife would wear the clothes of the dead person to Mass the following Sunday."  It is interesting hearing of the customs around death/dying and burials. I'd be interested in anyone's thoughts.  Thanks, Margaret O'Neill East Taunton, Mass ----- Original Message ----- rom: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <bearariobard@gmail.com> To: beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:33:08 AM Subject: [BEARA] In the olden days. Talking about the future, we are told that the dead will arise and appear to many. Thinking about that the other day, I thought to myself: "Where will the rest of them have gone ?" I wonder if your people had the same customs as our people in Beara. When people came to a wake, a clay pipe filled with tobacco would be given to the men to smoke, and some snuff would be given to the women to inhale. In the middle of the night the Rosary would be said around the corpse. When the coffin was brought out, it was first placed on two chairs outside the door, and the local woman, who was always known for caoining/lamenting out loudly, would begin (sometimes fortified with a few drops of "the crayture"/whiskey). After the coffin had passed on, the chairs would be turned upside down outside the door.The coffin would usually be brought on a cart, with the husband or wife sitting on top of the coffin. It was a custom that the husband or wife would wear the clothes of the dead person to Mass the following Sunday.            ---- Riobard.   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I remember my mother talking of when her mother died in Lauragh, Tuosist. She remembered a neighbor wearing her mother's clothes to Mass for (I think) three Sundays. She was very young and all she could think of was that her mother's shawl was so beautiful that she wanted the neighbor to give it back. Interesting how they molded superstious traditions into the faith! -----Original Message----- From: mtmm <mtmm@comcast.net> To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:06 pm Subject: Re: [BEARA] In the olden days. Hello everyone, I found this piece from Riobard very interesting. I often eard stories about death and funerals from my father and grandparents. I ecall my father saying it was to be an honor to be asked to dig the grave of he deceased. My father told of one time, when he had to dig the grave for omeone(forget who) but that the custom was to remove the last one in and then he recent death, w ould go on the bottom . This occasion, the prior death was ot long before and it was not an easy or pleasant task. I also re call that when my paternal grandmother, Maggie Kelly O'Neill, died; he was buried in a kind of shroud with a hood. I wonder how long that custom ent on in Beara. Do you think that the person would make a burial gown for hemselves and have it ready for the time of their death? I never heard of the iece that Riobard relayed of: " It was a custom that the husband or wife would ear the clothes of the dead person to Mass the following Sunday." It is nteresting hearing of the customs around death/dying and burials. I'd be interested in anyone's thoughts. Thanks, Margaret O'Neill East Taunton, Mass ----- Original Message ----- om: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <bearariobard@gmail.com> o: beara@rootsweb.com ent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:33:08 AM ubject: [BEARA] In the olden days. Talking about the future, we are told that the dead will arise and appear o many. Thinking about that the other day, I thought to myself: "Where ill the rest of them have gone ?" wonder if your people had the same customs as our people in Beara. When eople came to a wake, a clay pipe filled with tobacco would be given to he men to smoke, and some snuff would be given to the women to inhale. In he middle of the night the Rosary would be said around the corpse. When he coffin was brought out, it was first placed on two chairs outside the oor, and the local woman, who was always known for caoining/lamenting out oudly, would begin (sometimes fortified with a few drops of "the rayture"/whiskey). After the coffin had passed on, the chairs would be urned upside down outside the door.The coffin would usually be brought on cart, with the husband or wife sitting on top of the coffin. It was a ustom that the husband or wife would wear the clothes of the dead person o Mass the following Sunday. ---- Riobard. ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Hi Folks, Though there is no big wood overlooking a lake east of Bawers like Glenmore Lake, there is another lake just to the east of Bawers, known as Glenbeg Lake, close to Ardgroom Village. It is another beautiful Lake with hills on both sides. There were many trout fishing competitions in it when I was young. I remember one time, when I was about 14 years of age (I am only about 21+ now) winning 10 shillings (which was a big amount of money in those days). Though I had only a few pennies in my pocket at the time, I gave the 10 shillings to Michael (the Store) McCarthy, a great character, who did justice to it before the night was out !!. All the men are long since dead, R.I.P., but my happy memories still linger on. There is still a boatman on the lake. A trip to Beara is a must. In Beara, and to the west, there lived a woman (also long dead, R.I.P.) who gave birth to 23 children. Her husband was a fisherman, but a local wag said that he must not have spent all his time fishing !!. ---- Riobard. On 24 March 2012 12:23, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: > Later in the morning. Glenmore Lake & overlooking wood are overlooked > again by the famous Healy Pass. I can't remember [I told so many things to > Beara-L over the years} if I told you the story of the American visitor & > the Healy Pass. Up at the top are Statues of the Crucifixion together with > other Holy Statues. The visitor, after driving up the winding road to the > top of the Healy Pass, stopped to study the Statues. And, looking up at the > Statues, he asked some people standing by: "Say", says he. "Which of these > guys up there is Healy ?" III. He thought that one of the Holy Statues was > a Statue of Tim Healy ---- after whom the Healy Pass is named. Beside the > most beautiful Glenmore Lake is a lovely restaurant known as Josies. There, > together with my wife Joan, we are looking forward in September to spending > a most interesting and relaxing evening with the well-known Crowley Clan > Leader, Tom, on his annual visit from the States. > ---- Riobard. > > > > On 24 March 2012 10:37, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Forest. The area you are thinking about is Glenmore Lake in the Lauragh >> area of Co. Kerry, overlooked by the nearby wood. The fairly big wood is >> connected to, but much higher than the lake itself. It is on part of a >> hill. and, in a straight line, would be close enough to Bawers in the >> Eyeries Parish, Beara Peninsula. The townland of Glenmore in Co. Kerry, >> more or less adjoins the townland of Bawers. >> Riobard. >> >> >> On 24 March 2012 02:04, <kerstentm@snowcrest.net> wrote: >> >>> One of the stories that I was told about our Uohni family >>> (my great grandfather was Phil J. Harrington of Bawers) >>> was that they originally weren't from the Beara penisula >>> but were from an area just east of there. The story said that >>> they lived where the forest and lake came together. I'm not >>> remembering the lake name, but will try to recall it. >>> Theresa >>> >>> > Gone to English warships, everyone. >>> > Oh when will they ever learn?? >>> > Reg-Canada >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Susan Twomey" <mtpv@arcatanet.com> >>> > To: <BEARA@rootsweb.com> >>> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:05 AM >>> > Subject: [BEARA] oak tree forests >>> > >>> > >>> >> Does anyone know the history of oak forests in Ireland, especially >>> >> Beara. >>> >> Were there ancient forests there? What happened to them. >>> >> >>> >> What I have heard is that the ancient and sacred oak forests were a >>> >> threat >>> >> to the occupying folks...normans, English et al...because the local >>> >> folks >>> >> could hide in them. What is the story in Beara? >>> >> >>> >> Thanks. >>> >> >>> >> /Susan Twomey >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ------------------------------- >>> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> >> quotes >>> >> in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> > in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------- >>> This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. >>> http://www.snowcrest.net >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >> >> >> >> > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > > > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)*

Later in the morning. Glenmore Lake & overlooking wood are overlooked again by the famous Healy Pass. I can't remember [I told so many things to Beara-L over the years} if I told you the story of the American visitor & the Healy Pass. Up at the top are Statues of the Crucifixion together with other Holy Statues. The visitor, after driving up the winding road to the top of the Healy Pass, stopped to study the Statues. And, looking up at the Statues, he asked some people standing by: "Say", says he. "Which of these guys up there is Healy ?" III. He thought that one of the Holy Statues was a Statue of Tim Healy ---- after whom the Healy Pass is named. Beside the most beautiful Glenmore Lake is a lovely restaurant known as Josies. There, together with my wife Joan, we are looking forward in September to spending a most interesting and relaxing evening with the well-known Crowley Clan Leader, Tom, on his annual visit from the States. ---- Riobard. On 24 March 2012 10:37, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: > Forest. The area you are thinking about is Glenmore Lake in the Lauragh > area of Co. Kerry, overlooked by the nearby wood. The fairly big wood is > connected to, but much higher than the lake itself. It is on part of a > hill. and, in a straight line, would be close enough to Bawers in the > Eyeries Parish, Beara Peninsula. The townland of Glenmore in Co. Kerry, > more or less adjoins the townland of Bawers. > Riobard. > > > On 24 March 2012 02:04, <kerstentm@snowcrest.net> wrote: > >> One of the stories that I was told about our Uohni family >> (my great grandfather was Phil J. Harrington of Bawers) >> was that they originally weren't from the Beara penisula >> but were from an area just east of there. The story said that >> they lived where the forest and lake came together. I'm not >> remembering the lake name, but will try to recall it. >> Theresa >> >> > Gone to English warships, everyone. >> > Oh when will they ever learn?? >> > Reg-Canada >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Susan Twomey" <mtpv@arcatanet.com> >> > To: <BEARA@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:05 AM >> > Subject: [BEARA] oak tree forests >> > >> > >> >> Does anyone know the history of oak forests in Ireland, especially >> >> Beara. >> >> Were there ancient forests there? What happened to them. >> >> >> >> What I have heard is that the ancient and sacred oak forests were a >> >> threat >> >> to the occupying folks...normans, English et al...because the local >> >> folks >> >> could hide in them. What is the story in Beara? >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> /Susan Twomey >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes >> >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> > in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. >> http://www.snowcrest.net >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > > > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)*

Riobard and all, Thanks so much for all of your insights and stories about the Oak forests! I recently discovered that my great grandfather Pat McKenna who was born c. 1835 in Listowel, Kerry was given the middle name Healy. His parents Pat McKenna and Sarah/Sally Stack of Listowel/Duagh, Kerry were married there c. 1832 and then settled in the Upper Pennisula of Michigan c. 1860. I don't know of any other relative with this name HEALY, so I am wondering where it came from...a well-loved person or place his parents would have known at the time? /Susan Thanks On Mar 24, 2012, at 5:23 AM, Riobard O' Dwyer wrote: > Later in the morning. Glenmore Lake & overlooking wood are overlooked again > by the famous Healy Pass. I can't remember [I told so many things to > Beara-L over the years} if I told you the story of the American visitor & > the Healy Pass. Up at the top are Statues of the Crucifixion together with > other Holy Statues. The visitor, after driving up the winding road to the > top of the Healy Pass, stopped to study the Statues. And, looking up at the > Statues, he asked some people standing by: "Say", says he. "Which of these > guys up there is Healy ?" III. He thought that one of the Holy Statues was > a Statue of Tim Healy ---- after whom the Healy Pass is named. Beside the > most beautiful Glenmore Lake is a lovely restaurant known as Josies. There, > together with my wife Joan, we are looking forward in September to spending > a most interesting and relaxing evening with the well-known Crowley Clan > Leader, Tom, on his annual visit from the States. > ---- Riobard. > > > On 24 March 2012 10:37, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Forest. The area you are thinking about is Glenmore Lake in the Lauragh >> area of Co. Kerry, overlooked by the nearby wood. The fairly big wood is >> connected to, but much higher than the lake itself. It is on part of a >> hill. and, in a straight line, would be close enough to Bawers in the >> Eyeries Parish, Beara Peninsula. The townland of Glenmore in Co. Kerry, >> more or less adjoins the townland of Bawers. >> Riobard. >> >> >> On 24 March 2012 02:04, <kerstentm@snowcrest.net> wrote: >> >>> One of the stories that I was told about our Uohni family >>> (my great grandfather was Phil J. Harrington of Bawers) >>> was that they originally weren't from the Beara penisula >>> but were from an area just east of there. The story said that >>> they lived where the forest and lake came together. I'm not >>> remembering the lake name, but will try to recall it. >>> Theresa >>> >>>> Gone to English warships, everyone. >>>> Oh when will they ever learn?? >>>> Reg-Canada >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Susan Twomey" <mtpv@arcatanet.com> >>>> To: <BEARA@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:05 AM >>>> Subject: [BEARA] oak tree forests >>>> >>>> >>>>> Does anyone know the history of oak forests in Ireland, especially >>>>> Beara. >>>>> Were there ancient forests there? What happened to them. >>>>> >>>>> What I have heard is that the ancient and sacred oak forests were a >>>>> threat >>>>> to the occupying folks...normans, English et al...because the local >>>>> folks >>>>> could hide in them. What is the story in Beara? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> /Susan Twomey >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes >>>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------- >>> This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. >>> http://www.snowcrest.net >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >> >> >> >> > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Susan Twomey 319 Howard Heights Rd Eureka, CA 95503 tel 707-444-2522

The other story that was shared by Kevin Harrington before he passed, was that the Uohnis once felt like they were cursed and a priest recommended that they move their house across a stream to escape the curse. He said that the current farm wasn't the original one and that there was just a crumbling foundation where the old house was. Was that within Bawers or was that their move from Glenmore? I also had a question from my cousin, Mary Ann Murphy, who will be visiting for the first time this summer. She is going to a Sheehan family reunion and then going to Kilmacowan to see the old Murphy house (Jeremiah Murphy and Mary Harrington, then Jack Murphy and Mary Harrington (Og)). I've sent her a picture of the house and suggested that she ask at the pub. She also wants to go to Muckera, Glengariff to find the Murphy house of another Murphy who married into our Murphys in Butte, Mt. He was Michael Murphy who married Mary Murphy, daughter of Patrick Murphy of Kilmacowan. Is there a pub in that area for her to inquire of? She has a picture of the house that was taken in the 1920's. We have a picture of the gravestone of Michael's grandparents and another one of some relatives who were still writing Michael in the 1920's. She'd love to find any descendants who might still be in the area. And I suggested checking with the church and pub, though I don't know that area at all. I always get a chuckle from the story when my mother and aunt first visited. They called the Jerome Harrington in the phone book who wasn't our Jerome, and then the pub folks gave them directions to the right farm. They were found taking pictures of a very small outbuilding. The stories of the extreme poverty during the famine led them to imagine that was where their grandfather was born. Jerome and his lovely woman friend found them and I hope they got a good chuckle from it also. On a later trip, with my niece and nephews, they got to see a peg leg that belonged to one of the ancestors. My nephews were quite taken with it all. I look forward to getting there eventually. Theresa (if that's > Hi Folks, > Though there is no big wood overlooking a lake east of Bawers > like Glenmore Lake, there is another lake just to the east of Bawers, > known > as Glenbeg Lake, close to Ardgroom Village. It is another beautiful Lake > with hills on both sides. There were many trout fishing competitions in it > when I was young. I remember one time, when I was about 14 years of age (I > am only about 21+ now) winning 10 shillings (which was a big amount of > money in those days). Though I had only a few pennies in my pocket at the > time, I gave the 10 shillings to Michael (the Store) McCarthy, a great > character, who did justice to it before the night was out !!. All the men > are long since dead, R.I.P., but my happy memories still linger on. There > is still a boatman on the lake. A trip to Beara is a must. In Beara, and > to the west, there lived a woman (also long dead, R.I.P.) who gave birth > to > 23 children. Her husband was a fisherman, but a local wag said that he > must > not have spent all his time fishing !!. > ---- Riobard. > > > On 24 March 2012 12:23, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Later in the morning. Glenmore Lake & overlooking wood are overlooked >> again by the famous Healy Pass. I can't remember [I told so many things >> to >> Beara-L over the years} if I told you the story of the American visitor >> & >> the Healy Pass. Up at the top are Statues of the Crucifixion together >> with >> other Holy Statues. The visitor, after driving up the winding road to >> the >> top of the Healy Pass, stopped to study the Statues. And, looking up at >> the >> Statues, he asked some people standing by: "Say", says he. "Which of >> these >> guys up there is Healy ?" III. He thought that one of the Holy Statues >> was >> a Statue of Tim Healy ---- after whom the Healy Pass is named. Beside >> the >> most beautiful Glenmore Lake is a lovely restaurant known as Josies. >> There, >> together with my wife Joan, we are looking forward in September to >> spending >> a most interesting and relaxing evening with the well-known Crowley Clan >> Leader, Tom, on his annual visit from the States. >> ---- Riobard. >> >> >> >> On 24 March 2012 10:37, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Forest. The area you are thinking about is Glenmore Lake in the Lauragh >>> area of Co. Kerry, overlooked by the nearby wood. The fairly big wood >>> is >>> connected to, but much higher than the lake itself. It is on part of a >>> hill. and, in a straight line, would be close enough to Bawers in the >>> Eyeries Parish, Beara Peninsula. The townland of Glenmore in Co. Kerry, >>> more or less adjoins the townland of Bawers. >>> Riobard. >>> >>> >>> On 24 March 2012 02:04, <kerstentm@snowcrest.net> wrote: >>> >>>> One of the stories that I was told about our Uohni family >>>> (my great grandfather was Phil J. Harrington of Bawers) >>>> was that they originally weren't from the Beara penisula >>>> but were from an area just east of there. The story said that >>>> they lived where the forest and lake came together. I'm not >>>> remembering the lake name, but will try to recall it. >>>> Theresa >>>> >>>> > Gone to English warships, everyone. >>>> > Oh when will they ever learn?? >>>> > Reg-Canada >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > From: "Susan Twomey" <mtpv@arcatanet.com> >>>> > To: <BEARA@rootsweb.com> >>>> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:05 AM >>>> > Subject: [BEARA] oak tree forests >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> Does anyone know the history of oak forests in Ireland, especially >>>> >> Beara. >>>> >> Were there ancient forests there? What happened to them. >>>> >> >>>> >> What I have heard is that the ancient and sacred oak forests were a >>>> >> threat >>>> >> to the occupying folks...normans, English et al...because the local >>>> >> folks >>>> >> could hide in them. What is the story in Beara? >>>> >> >>>> >> Thanks. >>>> >> >>>> >> /Susan Twomey >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> ------------------------------- >>>> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> >> quotes >>>> >> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ------------------------------- >>>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> > in the subject and the body of the message >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------- >>>> This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. >>>> http://www.snowcrest.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >> >> >> >> > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. http://www.snowcrest.net

Forest. The area you are thinking about is Glenmore Lake in the Lauragh area of Co. Kerry, overlooked by the nearby wood. The fairly big wood is connected to, but much higher than the lake itself. It is on part of a hill. and, in a straight line, would be close enough to Bawers in the Eyeries Parish, Beara Peninsula. The townland of Glenmore in Co. Kerry, more or less adjoins the townland of Bawers. Riobard. On 24 March 2012 02:04, <kerstentm@snowcrest.net> wrote: > One of the stories that I was told about our Uohni family > (my great grandfather was Phil J. Harrington of Bawers) > was that they originally weren't from the Beara penisula > but were from an area just east of there. The story said that > they lived where the forest and lake came together. I'm not > remembering the lake name, but will try to recall it. > Theresa > > > Gone to English warships, everyone. > > Oh when will they ever learn?? > > Reg-Canada > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Susan Twomey" <mtpv@arcatanet.com> > > To: <BEARA@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:05 AM > > Subject: [BEARA] oak tree forests > > > > > >> Does anyone know the history of oak forests in Ireland, especially > >> Beara. > >> Were there ancient forests there? What happened to them. > >> > >> What I have heard is that the ancient and sacred oak forests were a > >> threat > >> to the occupying folks...normans, English et al...because the local > >> folks > >> could hide in them. What is the story in Beara? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> /Susan Twomey > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. > http://www.snowcrest.net > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)*

Riobard, Thank you! Theresa > Forest. The area you are thinking about is Glenmore Lake in the Lauragh > area of Co. Kerry, overlooked by the nearby wood. The fairly big wood is > connected to, but much higher than the lake itself. It is on part of a > hill. and, in a straight line, would be close enough to Bawers in the > Eyeries Parish, Beara Peninsula. The townland of Glenmore in Co. Kerry, > more or less adjoins the townland of Bawers. > Riobard. > > On 24 March 2012 02:04, <kerstentm@snowcrest.net> wrote: > >> One of the stories that I was told about our Uohni family >> (my great grandfather was Phil J. Harrington of Bawers) >> was that they originally weren't from the Beara penisula >> but were from an area just east of there. The story said that >> they lived where the forest and lake came together. I'm not >> remembering the lake name, but will try to recall it. >> Theresa >> >> > Gone to English warships, everyone. >> > Oh when will they ever learn?? >> > Reg-Canada >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Susan Twomey" <mtpv@arcatanet.com> >> > To: <BEARA@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:05 AM >> > Subject: [BEARA] oak tree forests >> > >> > >> >> Does anyone know the history of oak forests in Ireland, especially >> >> Beara. >> >> Were there ancient forests there? What happened to them. >> >> >> >> What I have heard is that the ancient and sacred oak forests were a >> >> threat >> >> to the occupying folks...normans, English et al...because the local >> >> folks >> >> could hide in them. What is the story in Beara? >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> /Susan Twomey >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes >> >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> > in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. >> http://www.snowcrest.net >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. http://www.snowcrest.net

Thank you to all that have written with suggestions. It is very useful. Here's what I have been able to find about my Sullivan heritage - all of this from the US Census records. I am reasonably certain that I have the right person as the list of children in the census matches a document we received from a sibling who has now passed listing their brothers and sisters. My great grandfather Patrick Sullivan was born in Ireland somewhere between 1835 and 1840 (just depends on which census you look at) He immigrated to the States in 1862 per the 1900 census records. His wife is listed as both Honora and Norah. She immigrated in 1863. I don't know if they were married in Ireland or Michigan. I looked at the microfilm marriage records available through LDS for Houghton county but discovered they were not very complete. Their first child was born in 1866. They had eight children. Place of residence were listed as the following for different census. 1870: Franklin, Houghton, Michigan 1880: Adams, Houghton, Michigan 1900: Osceola, Houghton, Michigan 1910: Calumet, Houghton, Michigan My grandfather Michael J Sullivan was born in 1879. In the 1910 census he is listed as living in Calumet, He married May W Mathews in 1916 and by 1920 had moved to Globe, Arizona. Their only child was my father who passed about 15 years ago. I realize that I could flesh this out by pursuing birth & death certificates, etc. I intended to look for birth & death certificates at the Houghton Co courthouse when I was in the area a few years ago, only to discover that I needed to make an appointment and none were available while I was in the area. I figured it will be a good retirement project. Any clues or suggestions will be most appreciated. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of William Sullivan Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 10:37 AM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] First time visit Dear ps,   Tell us more.   My grandfather, Jeremiah O'Sullivan, came from rural Eyeries, on the Beara Peninsula. He went to the Upper Peninsula olf Michigan in the 1860's and was a copper miner at Calumet and other nearby places. He had ben a copper miner ion Allihies, Beara before he emigrated. My father, Pat Sullivan was born in Houghton, nearby in 1889.   Sullivan is the commonist name in that part of Ireland,  so it is not too likely that we are related, but its possible.   When you go to Ireland, by all means go to Eyeries, Beara, Co. Cork. Look up Riobard O'Dwyer. He is a retired teacher in Eyeries. He knows more about families in that part olf Ireland than anyone in the world. He is the author of at least eight books on the subject. You will be astounded at what he can tell you about the Sullivans.   Riobard's E-mail address is   bearariobard@gmail.com     Good Luck   Bill Sullivan   --- On Mon, 3/19/12, psregister <psregister@comcast.net> wrote: From: psregister <psregister@comcast.net> Subject: [BEARA] First time visit To: beara@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, March 19, 2012, 11:16 PM For a number of years I have absent mindly following the postings thinking I would go back & read them before visiting Ireland.  I now find myself with the good fortune to be visiting there in about six weeks.  I've convinced myself that my great grandfather most likely lived on the Beara pennisula before imigrating to upper Michigan in the early 1860's as he was a miner and the family name is Sullivan.  Other than what I have been able to learn from the US census records I have no knowledge of his family in Ireland and have pretty much concluded that I will get no further in my search. In preparation for the trip I have two questions. 1)  is there a book which does a good job of explaining the history & heritage of Ireland? 2)  what are the most important places to see & experience on the Beare pennisula? Any input is most appreciated! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One of the stories that I was told about our Uohni family (my great grandfather was Phil J. Harrington of Bawers) was that they originally weren't from the Beara penisula but were from an area just east of there. The story said that they lived where the forest and lake came together. I'm not remembering the lake name, but will try to recall it. Theresa > Gone to English warships, everyone. > Oh when will they ever learn?? > Reg-Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Twomey" <mtpv@arcatanet.com> > To: <BEARA@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:05 AM > Subject: [BEARA] oak tree forests > > >> Does anyone know the history of oak forests in Ireland, especially >> Beara. >> Were there ancient forests there? What happened to them. >> >> What I have heard is that the ancient and sacred oak forests were a >> threat >> to the occupying folks...normans, English et al...because the local >> folks >> could hide in them. What is the story in Beara? >> >> Thanks. >> >> /Susan Twomey >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. http://www.snowcrest.net

Hi Theresa, all, Theresa writes: > Now I'm a little confused. Are the sept names the original > tribe names? Sometimes, but not always. > My Harrington Uohni ancestors went by Uohni > until my great grandparent's generation and I'd understand > (or thought I did) that Uohni was the old tribal name. Yes. There are also O'Sullivan Uohni people, who have common ancestors with the Harrington Uohni people. But there's no clear rule that applies in all cases. We can't say that a particular branch name always maps to some ancient tribal affiliation. Irish branch names are a mixed bag, with no more onomastic consistency than Roman cognomina -- the "branch names" of Roman families, such as Brutus and Aurelius and Caesar. > I notice a lot of name changing in the 19th century. Was > there a historical reason for that? Thanks, Theresa I suspect there was, but I'm not clear on what was going on. My speculation is that it had something to do with the Gaelic League and its desire to foster a sense of Irish identity among the Irish people. But I certainly won't pretend to say that with any certainty. -- Bill

I still can't figure this out. Would someone have listed a branch name as their real last name, or was it a nickname between families? And how would you know which name they were using. I have a Lynch who apparently was maiden name Sullivan from Muckera, Tuosist, so she married into the Lynches, but beyond that, I am hopelessly lost on how this works. On Jan 27, 2012, at 5:23 PM, Susan Haines wrote: > Riobard, just for curiosity and without too much effort on your part, would you give the names of these Shea brothers? I am always on the look out for Shea's, probably Bartholomew, Matthew and/or James. I have not come upon branch names for them. Thank you. Sue > > On Jan 27, 2012, at 5:17 PM, "Riobard O' Dwyer" <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I have spent nearly 3 hours going over the records of 46 copies which cover >> every part of the Glengarriff Parish (Co. Cork part). As far as I could >> ascertain, there were no Lynchs in those parts having a branch-name. A >> source of amazement to me were 3 families of Sheas (looked very much like >> the families of 3 brothers, as Godparents of a child of one of the families >> were what looked like two other brothers united). The branch-name of the >> Sheas in all three families in the same townland was normally one >> associated with two completely different families, but it was the first >> time ever to find it associated with the surname Shea. The husband of one >> was born circa 1794; his wife was born circa 1800. I also found in the >> course of my research a Patrick Sarsfield, the same name as one of >> Ireland's famous leaders of years long gone by. >> ---- Riobard. >> >> On 27 January 2012 17:16, Kitty <jewelrydolls@verizon.net> wrote: >> >>> I'm wondering this too, as I have the same names in the same area. But no >>> documentation, or original papers that I have, have any branch names listed >>> on them. >>> >>> Kitty >>> >>> On Jan 27, 2012, at 9:36 AM, KTRACY1999@aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> All I was asking in my original posting is ... do any of the Lynch's or >>>> Shea's of Glengarriff have any branch names? Thank you. >>>> >>>> Kathleen~CT. >>>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 1/27/2012 3:04:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>>> _beara-request@rootsweb.co_ (mailto:beara-request@rootsweb.co) >>>> >>>> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:54:35 +0000 >>>> From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <bearariobard@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Branch Names >>>> >>>> I have alot. >>>> Riobard. >>>> >>>> On 26 January 2012 18:47, Marita Meyer <mmarita1@frontier.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I would also be interested in any information on the Lynch's from >>>>> Glengarriff/ Eyeries/Cahirkeem. >>>>> >>>>> Marita- Seattle >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 4:15 PM, KTRACY1999@aol.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I would love someone to tell me if the Lynch's or the Shea's of >>>>>> Glengarriff had a branch name. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kathleen~CT. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gone to English warships, everyone. Oh when will they ever learn?? Reg-Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Twomey" <mtpv@arcatanet.com> To: <BEARA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:05 AM Subject: [BEARA] oak tree forests > Does anyone know the history of oak forests in Ireland, especially Beara. > Were there ancient forests there? What happened to them. > > What I have heard is that the ancient and sacred oak forests were a threat > to the occupying folks...normans, English et al...because the local folks > could hide in them. What is the story in Beara? > > Thanks. > > /Susan Twomey > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kitty, It's all a bit complicated. Sometimes a person would use their branch name as their surname, and sometimes they wouldn't. In the case of my Lowney ancestors, they were once O'Sullivan Laune, but over time they used their branch name so much that it became the name they were known by, eventually becoming Lowney. On the other hand, my Harrington Uohni ancestors were generally known as Harringtons. So there's no clear rule that you can apply. Bill Gaawne On 3/23/2012 12:05 PM, Kitty wrote: > I still can't figure this out. Would someone have listed a branch name as their real last name, or was it a nickname between families? And how would you know which name they were using. I have a Lynch who apparently was maiden name Sullivan from Muckera, Tuosist, so she married into the Lynches, but beyond that, I am hopelessly lost on how this works. > > > On Jan 27, 2012, at 5:23 PM, Susan Haines wrote: > >> Riobard, just for curiosity and without too much effort on your part, would you give the names of these Shea brothers? I am always on the look out for Shea's, probably Bartholomew, Matthew and/or James. I have not come upon branch names for them. Thank you. Sue >> >> On Jan 27, 2012, at 5:17 PM, "Riobard O' Dwyer"<bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I have spent nearly 3 hours going over the records of 46 copies which cover >>> every part of the Glengarriff Parish (Co. Cork part). As far as I could >>> ascertain, there were no Lynchs in those parts having a branch-name. A >>> source of amazement to me were 3 families of Sheas (looked very much like >>> the families of 3 brothers, as Godparents of a child of one of the families >>> were what looked like two other brothers united). The branch-name of the >>> Sheas in all three families in the same townland was normally one >>> associated with two completely different families, but it was the first >>> time ever to find it associated with the surname Shea. The husband of one >>> was born circa 1794; his wife was born circa 1800. I also found in the >>> course of my research a Patrick Sarsfield, the same name as one of >>> Ireland's famous leaders of years long gone by. >>> ---- Riobard. >>> >>> On 27 January 2012 17:16, Kitty<jewelrydolls@verizon.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm wondering this too, as I have the same names in the same area. But no >>>> documentation, or original papers that I have, have any branch names listed >>>> on them. >>>> >>>> Kitty >>>> >>>> On Jan 27, 2012, at 9:36 AM, KTRACY1999@aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> All I was asking in my original posting is ... do any of the Lynch's or >>>>> Shea's of Glengarriff have any branch names? Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Kathleen~CT. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In a message dated 1/27/2012 3:04:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>>>> _beara-request@rootsweb.co_ (mailto:beara-request@rootsweb.co) >>>>> >>>>> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:54:35 +0000 >>>>> From: "Riobard O' Dwyer"<bearariobard@gmail.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Branch Names >>>>> >>>>> I have alot. >>>>> Riobard. >>>>> >>>>> On 26 January 2012 18:47, Marita Meyer<mmarita1@frontier.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I would also be interested in any information on the Lynch's from >>>>>> Glengarriff/ Eyeries/Cahirkeem. >>>>>> >>>>>> Marita- Seattle >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 4:15 PM, KTRACY1999@aol.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I would love someone to tell me if the Lynch's or the Shea's of >>>>>>> Glengarriff had a branch name. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kathleen~CT. >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know the history of oak forests in Ireland, especially Beara. Were there ancient forests there? What happened to them. What I have heard is that the ancient and sacred oak forests were a threat to the occupying folks...normans, English et al...because the local folks could hide in them. What is the story in Beara? Thanks. /Susan Twomey