My sympathy, thoughts and prayers are with you and yours. Ruth Bortolan Sent from my iPad On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:02 PM, "Bill Mulligan" <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> wrote: > As many of you know, I have no Beara roots myself, but an interest in the > experience of Beara emigrants in the US. > > > > Please remember my father, William H. Mulligan, Sr., in your prayers. He > died on March 29th two weeks short of his 89th birthday and was buried > Monday April 2. He was proud of his Irish roots and passed that pride on to > me. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bill The intro to this site clearly indicates that BOTH the IRB and the American Fenians used the term "Fenians":. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Republican_Brotherhood The Fenians were a secret society quite similar to the Freemasons. Yes, we understand that The Fenians had to CAPTURE Canada in order to barter it for Ireland, with the English. I guess their capturing might be construed as "some interest"!! I will let donal speak for his "biases". Reg-Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Mulligan" <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam O'Dwyer? > Sorry to be disagreeable. > > Details matter, the Fenians and the IRB are not exactly the same, > especially > in Irish history where religion is such an important variable. ALSO a > single > relative who deviates from the general pattern does not mean the general > pattern is wrong. > > The Fenians who invaded Canada had absolutely no long term interest in > Canada, their focus was on Ireland. No one can dispute that. > > The use of the Irish (mostly Catholics) as cannon fodder in the US Civil > War > was much more common in the North than in the South because in the North > Irish Catholics were much more definitively other than the largely > Protestant Irish element in the Confederate army was in the South. I guess > you could say that everyone was cannon fodder in the US Civil War on both > sides, but that would not be true And would obscure the important points. > > I won't comment on Donal personally as a source, except to say he has > clearly stated biases. > > Bill Mulligan > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Reg Volk > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 7:32 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam > O'Dwyer? > > Bill > > I think donal et al of us realize that it was the Fenians that were > precursors of the IRB. The date is semantics. > > They were certainly"interested" in the stability of Canada- BOTH Upper and > Lower! > > A realtive of mine seems to have been connected to the Mason and the > Fenians/IRB through Canada AND the U.S. These connections were quite > common, at least in Canada. > > Yes the Irish were"cannon fodder" in the civil war-BOTH Cathloic and > Protestant! > > I believe donal IS a realiable source. > > CHEERS-Reg-Canada. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Mulligan" <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> > To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam > O'Dwyer? > > >> As seems to be a pattern, not quite right historically. >> >> The IRB was founded during the American Civil War, not before it, and >> had no interest in the stability of the United States as a unitified >> country. >> Most >> Irish recruiting efforts were in the North where most Irish were >> Catholic and amenable. The IRB was concerned with a free Ireland and >> was overwhelmingly Catholic in its membership--as best we know. >> >> The Catholic Church in the US, clearly controlled by the 1860s by the >> Irish, was vehemently opposed to the Masons and all secret >> societies--a serious problem for the IRB--and any connection between >> the Church and the Masons of any stripe, or other secret societies, is >> highly doubtful. The AOH had problems with the hierarchy and its >> secret status despite its strongly Catholic base. >> >> There is no evidence of WASP establishment support for planned the IRB >> invasion of Canada. They could not renege on something they had never >> given. >> The WASP establishment, if such a thing was self-conscious, was very >> anti-Irish Catholic on the eve of and through the Civil War. One of >> Meagher's issues was the use of Irish Catholic troops for very high >> risk missions resulting in extremely high casualties. The Irish >> Catholics were cannon fodder in a more recent generation's tersm. >> >> As for the rest, regardez le source. >> >> Bill Mulligan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of donal O'Siodhachain >> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 11:14 AM >> To: beara@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam >> O'Dwyer? >> >> Hi Folks : since the weekend of commemorations of the 1916 Easter >> Rebellion is here, it may be appropriate, with Bill's indulgence, to >> give a context and explanation for the Witness Statements referred to. >> >> Just pre the American Civil War Irish Americans formed an organization >> called The Irish Republican Brotherhood, usually referred to as the IRB. >> Most of those concerned were also members of The Ancient Irish and >> Scottish Masonic Order and had a lineage going back through the >> American War Of Independence to Irish and later, European Jacobite >> Traditions. >> >> The IRB had a number of objectives, first was to defend the unity and >> integrity of the American Republic, second, to get as many Irish >> Americans as possible trained in arms and military matters in The >> Northern and Confederate States, third, post the Civil War to form an >> Irish Republican Army in the US from Irish American war veterans, >> fourth, to use this trained and equipped army to invade Canada, fifth, >> to capture and hold Canada hostage to force Britain into a full and >> final settlement of the Irish question and sixth, to form an >> Independent Irish Republic of Catholic, Protestant and dissenter on >> the Island of Ireland. >> >> They got their trained manpower, the Irish Republican green uniformed >> army was formed and the invasion of Canada commenced. To the actual >> invasion the US government has appeared to be indifferent to all of >> this but they quickly intervened to play their own game, they stymied >> the invasion by preventing the ferrying across of artillery and other >> vital military equipment and they used the threat of the 'Fenian >> Invasion' to force Great Britain to settle a raft of outstanding >> issues between Britain and the US some going back to 1812. That done >> the East Coast WASP Establishment reneged on their promises and >> agreements and ordered the invasion force back to the US. >> >> After this stab in the back, US Officers were assigned to Ireland to >> foment a rebellion but the country was too demoralized after the >> Famine and the Rising of 67 was a failure. The IRB then began the hard >> slog of Nation Building and preparing the people for freedom. The >> Gaelic Athlete Association was formed to provide fitness training, The >> Gaelic League to preserve and promote Irish, The Land League to get >> tenant ownership and break landlords', The literary Revival to foster >> National pride and consciousness etc. Above however the IRB through >> it's Military Council, fomented and prepared for rebellion should the >> opportunity present. >> >> Two years into the First World War the judged that the time had come, >> Britain was bogged down on the Western Front, it had no troops to >> spare, most pro English of Military age were fighting in France and >> there were enough trained pro IRB Military Volunteers left in Ireland >> to carry out a rebellion. Guns were needed, the IRB had sourced 10,000 >> rifles, ammunition and other supplies from Germany and with these on >> their way to Ireland and due to arrive Holy Week, the Rising was on! >> >> Those IRB designated to meet with and bring in the arms ship took a >> wrong turn, drove off a pier in darkness and were drowned. Because of >> security and a close 'need to know' circle, there was no 'plan B' The >> ship uncontacted, steamed around, attracted attention and was >> intercepted by a British Warship. The crew scuttled it some miles off >> Kinsale. The IRB leaders decided to go ahead with the Rebellion and >> make a stand anyway, they knew their own life's were forfeit but they >> believed the Irish Nation would rouse and fight en mass if awakened. >> The Rising failed but as foreseen by the leaders their executions did >> arouse and galvanize the Irish Nation. >> >> In the 1918 General Election their faith in the Irish people was >> justified when twenty-eight of the thirty-two Irish Counties voted, >> most by large majorities for a Free Independent Irish Republic >> endorsing the IRB Rebellion of 1916. The First Dail elected TD ( >> Parliamentarians) became de jura the Government of the Irish Republic >> in accordance with the 86% vote of the Irish People that they had >> received and sat in Dublin in an Irish Assembly boycotting >> Westminster. An increasingly bloody Irish / English conflict followed >> up to the Truce in 1922. >> >> There were three reactions to the truce from Republicans who were by >> now the main players as the Old Nationalist Party had fell apart when >> most of its rank and file simply transferred to Sinn Fein. Pro Treaty >> Republicans accepted the Treaty as a 'stepping stone to freedom' Anti >> Treaty Republicans wanted to fight on for a full Republic and a >> Neutral Republicans refused to fight other Irishmen and women in >> pursuit of any political objectives. >> >> Britain armed and equipped the Pro Treaty new Free State, the latter >> recruited former Irish solders who had served with Britain in the >> First World War and they defeated the Anti Treaty Republicans in what >> became known in Republican parlance as the second defense of the >> Republic. The Republicans in 1923 unilaterally ceased organized field >> military operations and went home. The Free State continued however to >> round up Republicans by the hundreds and to try them for 'war crimes' >> Thousands were in prison and over seventy seven of mainly leaders of >> the Republican Movement were executed in captivity in circumstances >> that Republicans then and since consider to be quasi-judicial and >> illegal. >> >> In 1926 Republicans again split, the majority remained with Sinn Fein >> who boycotted the new Free State parliament but a sizable minority >> went with the new Fianna Fail organization led by Dev, Lemass, Aiken >> et al were for working the structures since there was no realistic >> alternative. In 1932 the Fianna Fail won the majority with the >> electoral support of Sinn Fein. >> Immediately the jails were opened and political prisoners, some with >> multiple life sentences were freed. The Free State army was >> considerably reduced, most of the ex British soldiers were discharged >> and ex-IRA Fianna Fail supporters were recruited to reflect the political > reality. >> >> In 1939 with another World War looming and a threat of an English or >> German Invasion or both on the cards, the Free State Army was again >> considerably expanded and Old Comrades but their differences aside to >> face the common threat leading to more reconciliation. A Local Defense >> Force of part time soldiers was also former and many ex-IRA people >> again found themselves giving local leadership and appreciated. >> >> The Free State Army had it's own foundation lore and ethos prior to >> 1932 while the Republican accounts were ignored. Fianna Fail set up an >> impartial Military Commission to interview all the veterans of the war >> of Independence and the IRA and Ex IRA of the Civil War period. Their >> accounts were taken, referenced and then sealed until when most of >> those involved would have died so to have these accounts open to >> historians with reopening old wounds. These accounts have become >> available in recent years and are the 'Witness Statements' referred >> to. >> >> I should perhaps also conclude with a caveat : most of my extended >> family have been IRB, I have been an active Republican that fully >> supported the recent Northern Republicans Freedom Struggle since late >> teens, I was a member of The Sinn Fein National Exectuive during the >> seventies and I remain a supporter of the Republican Movement. Like >> most mainstream Republicans I also support the Good Friday agreement >> and for the present, the current political settlement. >> >> >> >> >> On 4/4/12, mccarthyjh@aol.com <mccarthyjh@aol.com> wrote: >>> Thanks. I thought it probably had some legal ramification that might >>> have been different in older days. Happpy Easter to you and Joan >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> >>> To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 2:52 pm >>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam >>> O'Dwyer? >>> >>> >>> Hi Joan, >>> Just in. I suppose that a "witness statement" would be an >>> xpression in words (or by a sign) of having seen something. >>> ---- Riobard. >>> On 4 April 2012 16:19, <mccarthyjh@aol.com> wrote: >>>> >>> If I may be so dense as to ask, what is a "witness statement?" >>> >>> Joan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> >>> To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 5:51 am >>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam >>> O'Dwyer? >>> >>> >>> Dear Lisa, >>> I just noticed the question on the top. >>> Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom was my father. >>> ---- Riobard. >>> n 4 April 2012 00:28, Lisa OSullivan <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: >>> > >>> >>> Riobard, >>> >>> I just received the Witness Statement of Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom, Co. >>> Co., C/C >>> Castletownbere Battalion, Cork 111 Brigade, IRA. >>> >>> He notes his uncle Liam who was a teacher in Eyries National School. >>> >>> Surely, you've already seen all these records, but if you'd like a >>> copy >> of >>> this >>> statement for yourself, please e-mail me and I will send it to you. >>> >>> For all, these names are listed as officers of the company. >>> >>> O/C John O'Driscoll >>> 1st Lt. Dan Harrington (Causky) >>> 2nd Lt. Robert O'Dwyer (brother) >>> >>> I just recieved about 10 witness statements from the Castletown >>> Brigade, >> I >>> still >>> need to look at and will post associated names as I review. >>> >>> >>> Lisa O'Sullivan >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of he message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body >> of >>> he message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >> in >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Very sorry for the loss of your father. --- On Thu, 4/5/12, Bill Mulligan <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> wrote: From: Bill Mulligan <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> Subject: [BEARA] Request To: beara@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, April 5, 2012, 7:02 PM As many of you know, I have no Beara roots myself, but an interest in the experience of Beara emigrants in the US.  Please remember my father, William H. Mulligan, Sr.,  in your prayers.  He died on March 29th two weeks short of his 89th birthday and was buried Monday April 2.  He was proud of his Irish roots and passed that pride on to me. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As seems to be a pattern, not quite right historically. The IRB was founded during the American Civil War, not before it, and had no interest in the stability of the United States as a unitified country. Most Irish recruiting efforts were in the North where most Irish were Catholic and amenable. The IRB was concerned with a free Ireland and was overwhelmingly Catholic in its membership--as best we know. The Catholic Church in the US, clearly controlled by the 1860s by the Irish, was vehemently opposed to the Masons and all secret societies--a serious problem for the IRB--and any connection between the Church and the Masons of any stripe, or other secret societies, is highly doubtful. The AOH had problems with the hierarchy and its secret status despite its strongly Catholic base. There is no evidence of WASP establishment support for planned the IRB invasion of Canada. They could not renege on something they had never given. The WASP establishment, if such a thing was self-conscious, was very anti-Irish Catholic on the eve of and through the Civil War. One of Meagher's issues was the use of Irish Catholic troops for very high risk missions resulting in extremely high casualties. The Irish Catholics were cannon fodder in a more recent generation's tersm. As for the rest, regardez le source. Bill Mulligan -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of donal O'Siodhachain Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 11:14 AM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam O'Dwyer? Hi Folks : since the weekend of commemorations of the 1916 Easter Rebellion is here, it may be appropriate, with Bill's indulgence, to give a context and explanation for the Witness Statements referred to. Just pre the American Civil War Irish Americans formed an organization called The Irish Republican Brotherhood, usually referred to as the IRB. Most of those concerned were also members of The Ancient Irish and Scottish Masonic Order and had a lineage going back through the American War Of Independence to Irish and later, European Jacobite Traditions. The IRB had a number of objectives, first was to defend the unity and integrity of the American Republic, second, to get as many Irish Americans as possible trained in arms and military matters in The Northern and Confederate States, third, post the Civil War to form an Irish Republican Army in the US from Irish American war veterans, fourth, to use this trained and equipped army to invade Canada, fifth, to capture and hold Canada hostage to force Britain into a full and final settlement of the Irish question and sixth, to form an Independent Irish Republic of Catholic, Protestant and dissenter on the Island of Ireland. They got their trained manpower, the Irish Republican green uniformed army was formed and the invasion of Canada commenced. To the actual invasion the US government has appeared to be indifferent to all of this but they quickly intervened to play their own game, they stymied the invasion by preventing the ferrying across of artillery and other vital military equipment and they used the threat of the 'Fenian Invasion' to force Great Britain to settle a raft of outstanding issues between Britain and the US some going back to 1812. That done the East Coast WASP Establishment reneged on their promises and agreements and ordered the invasion force back to the US. After this stab in the back, US Officers were assigned to Ireland to foment a rebellion but the country was too demoralized after the Famine and the Rising of 67 was a failure. The IRB then began the hard slog of Nation Building and preparing the people for freedom. The Gaelic Athlete Association was formed to provide fitness training, The Gaelic League to preserve and promote Irish, The Land League to get tenant ownership and break landlords', The literary Revival to foster National pride and consciousness etc. Above however the IRB through it's Military Council, fomented and prepared for rebellion should the opportunity present. Two years into the First World War the judged that the time had come, Britain was bogged down on the Western Front, it had no troops to spare, most pro English of Military age were fighting in France and there were enough trained pro IRB Military Volunteers left in Ireland to carry out a rebellion. Guns were needed, the IRB had sourced 10,000 rifles, ammunition and other supplies from Germany and with these on their way to Ireland and due to arrive Holy Week, the Rising was on! Those IRB designated to meet with and bring in the arms ship took a wrong turn, drove off a pier in darkness and were drowned. Because of security and a close 'need to know' circle, there was no 'plan B' The ship uncontacted, steamed around, attracted attention and was intercepted by a British Warship. The crew scuttled it some miles off Kinsale. The IRB leaders decided to go ahead with the Rebellion and make a stand anyway, they knew their own life's were forfeit but they believed the Irish Nation would rouse and fight en mass if awakened. The Rising failed but as foreseen by the leaders their executions did arouse and galvanize the Irish Nation. In the 1918 General Election their faith in the Irish people was justified when twenty-eight of the thirty-two Irish Counties voted, most by large majorities for a Free Independent Irish Republic endorsing the IRB Rebellion of 1916. The First Dail elected TD ( Parliamentarians) became de jura the Government of the Irish Republic in accordance with the 86% vote of the Irish People that they had received and sat in Dublin in an Irish Assembly boycotting Westminster. An increasingly bloody Irish / English conflict followed up to the Truce in 1922. There were three reactions to the truce from Republicans who were by now the main players as the Old Nationalist Party had fell apart when most of its rank and file simply transferred to Sinn Fein. Pro Treaty Republicans accepted the Treaty as a 'stepping stone to freedom' Anti Treaty Republicans wanted to fight on for a full Republic and a Neutral Republicans refused to fight other Irishmen and women in pursuit of any political objectives. Britain armed and equipped the Pro Treaty new Free State, the latter recruited former Irish solders who had served with Britain in the First World War and they defeated the Anti Treaty Republicans in what became known in Republican parlance as the second defense of the Republic. The Republicans in 1923 unilaterally ceased organized field military operations and went home. The Free State continued however to round up Republicans by the hundreds and to try them for 'war crimes' Thousands were in prison and over seventy seven of mainly leaders of the Republican Movement were executed in captivity in circumstances that Republicans then and since consider to be quasi-judicial and illegal. In 1926 Republicans again split, the majority remained with Sinn Fein who boycotted the new Free State parliament but a sizable minority went with the new Fianna Fail organization led by Dev, Lemass, Aiken et al were for working the structures since there was no realistic alternative. In 1932 the Fianna Fail won the majority with the electoral support of Sinn Fein. Immediately the jails were opened and political prisoners, some with multiple life sentences were freed. The Free State army was considerably reduced, most of the ex British soldiers were discharged and ex-IRA Fianna Fail supporters were recruited to reflect the political reality. In 1939 with another World War looming and a threat of an English or German Invasion or both on the cards, the Free State Army was again considerably expanded and Old Comrades but their differences aside to face the common threat leading to more reconciliation. A Local Defense Force of part time soldiers was also former and many ex-IRA people again found themselves giving local leadership and appreciated. The Free State Army had it's own foundation lore and ethos prior to 1932 while the Republican accounts were ignored. Fianna Fail set up an impartial Military Commission to interview all the veterans of the war of Independence and the IRA and Ex IRA of the Civil War period. Their accounts were taken, referenced and then sealed until when most of those involved would have died so to have these accounts open to historians with reopening old wounds. These accounts have become available in recent years and are the 'Witness Statements' referred to. I should perhaps also conclude with a caveat : most of my extended family have been IRB, I have been an active Republican that fully supported the recent Northern Republicans Freedom Struggle since late teens, I was a member of The Sinn Fein National Exectuive during the seventies and I remain a supporter of the Republican Movement. Like most mainstream Republicans I also support the Good Friday agreement and for the present, the current political settlement. On 4/4/12, mccarthyjh@aol.com <mccarthyjh@aol.com> wrote: > Thanks. I thought it probably had some legal ramification that might > have been different in older days. Happpy Easter to you and Joan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> > To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 2:52 pm > Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam > O'Dwyer? > > > Hi Joan, > Just in. I suppose that a "witness statement" would be an > xpression in words (or by a sign) of having seen something. > ---- Riobard. > On 4 April 2012 16:19, <mccarthyjh@aol.com> wrote: >> > If I may be so dense as to ask, what is a "witness statement?" > > Joan > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> > To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 5:51 am > Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam > O'Dwyer? > > > Dear Lisa, > I just noticed the question on the top. > Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom was my father. > ---- Riobard. > n 4 April 2012 00:28, Lisa OSullivan <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: > > > > Riobard, > > I just received the Witness Statement of Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom, Co. > Co., C/C > Castletownbere Battalion, Cork 111 Brigade, IRA. > > He notes his uncle Liam who was a teacher in Eyries National School. > > Surely, you've already seen all these records, but if you'd like a copy of > this > statement for yourself, please e-mail me and I will send it to you. > > For all, these names are listed as officers of the company. > > O/C John O'Driscoll > 1st Lt. Dan Harrington (Causky) > 2nd Lt. Robert O'Dwyer (brother) > > I just recieved about 10 witness statements from the Castletown Brigade, I > still > need to look at and will post associated names as I review. > > > Lisa O'Sullivan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As many of you know, I have no Beara roots myself, but an interest in the experience of Beara emigrants in the US. Please remember my father, William H. Mulligan, Sr., in your prayers. He died on March 29th two weeks short of his 89th birthday and was buried Monday April 2. He was proud of his Irish roots and passed that pride on to me.

Bill I think donal et al of us realize that it was the Fenians that were precursors of the IRB. The date is semantics. They were certainly"interested" in the stability of Canada- BOTH Upper and Lower! A realtive of mine seems to have been connected to the Mason and the Fenians/IRB through Canada AND the U.S. These connections were quite common, at least in Canada. Yes the Irish were"cannon fodder" in the civil war-BOTH Cathloic and Protestant! I believe donal IS a realiable source. CHEERS-Reg-Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Mulligan" <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam O'Dwyer? > As seems to be a pattern, not quite right historically. > > The IRB was founded during the American Civil War, not before it, and had > no > interest in the stability of the United States as a unitified country. > Most > Irish recruiting efforts were in the North where most Irish were Catholic > and amenable. The IRB was concerned with a free Ireland and was > overwhelmingly Catholic in its membership--as best we know. > > The Catholic Church in the US, clearly controlled by the 1860s by the > Irish, > was vehemently opposed to the Masons and all secret societies--a serious > problem for the IRB--and any connection between the Church and the Masons > of > any stripe, or other secret societies, is highly doubtful. The AOH had > problems with the hierarchy and its secret status despite its strongly > Catholic base. > > There is no evidence of WASP establishment support for planned the IRB > invasion of Canada. They could not renege on something they had never > given. > The WASP establishment, if such a thing was self-conscious, was very > anti-Irish Catholic on the eve of and through the Civil War. One of > Meagher's issues was the use of Irish Catholic troops for very high risk > missions resulting in extremely high casualties. The Irish Catholics were > cannon fodder in a more recent generation's tersm. > > As for the rest, regardez le source. > > Bill Mulligan > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of donal O'Siodhachain > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 11:14 AM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam > O'Dwyer? > > Hi Folks : since the weekend of commemorations of the 1916 Easter > Rebellion > is here, it may be appropriate, with Bill's indulgence, to give a context > and explanation for the Witness Statements referred to. > > Just pre the American Civil War Irish Americans formed an organization > called The Irish Republican Brotherhood, usually referred to as the IRB. > Most of those concerned were also members of The Ancient Irish and > Scottish > Masonic Order and had a lineage going back through the American War Of > Independence to Irish and later, European Jacobite Traditions. > > The IRB had a number of objectives, first was to defend the unity and > integrity of the American Republic, second, to get as many Irish Americans > as possible trained in arms and military matters in The Northern and > Confederate States, third, post the Civil War to form an Irish Republican > Army in the US from Irish American war veterans, fourth, to use this > trained > and equipped army to invade Canada, fifth, to capture and hold Canada > hostage to force Britain into a full and final settlement of the Irish > question and sixth, to form an Independent Irish Republic of Catholic, > Protestant and dissenter on the Island of Ireland. > > They got their trained manpower, the Irish Republican green uniformed army > was formed and the invasion of Canada commenced. To the actual invasion > the > US government has appeared to be indifferent to all of this but they > quickly > intervened to play their own game, they stymied the invasion by preventing > the ferrying across of artillery and other vital military equipment and > they > used the threat of the 'Fenian Invasion' to force Great Britain to settle > a > raft of outstanding issues between Britain and the US some going back to > 1812. That done the East Coast WASP Establishment reneged on their > promises > and agreements and ordered the invasion force back to the US. > > After this stab in the back, US Officers were assigned to Ireland to > foment > a rebellion but the country was too demoralized after the Famine and the > Rising of 67 was a failure. The IRB then began the hard slog of Nation > Building and preparing the people for freedom. The Gaelic Athlete > Association was formed to provide fitness training, The Gaelic League to > preserve and promote Irish, The Land League to get tenant ownership and > break landlords', The literary Revival to foster National pride and > consciousness etc. Above however the IRB through it's Military Council, > fomented and prepared for rebellion should the opportunity present. > > Two years into the First World War the judged that the time had come, > Britain was bogged down on the Western Front, it had no troops to spare, > most pro English of Military age were fighting in France and there were > enough trained pro IRB Military Volunteers left in Ireland to carry out a > rebellion. Guns were needed, the IRB had sourced 10,000 rifles, ammunition > and other supplies from Germany and with these on their way to Ireland and > due to arrive Holy Week, the Rising was on! > > Those IRB designated to meet with and bring in the arms ship took a wrong > turn, drove off a pier in darkness and were drowned. Because of security > and > a close 'need to know' circle, there was no 'plan B' The ship uncontacted, > steamed around, attracted attention and was intercepted by a British > Warship. The crew scuttled it some miles off Kinsale. The IRB leaders > decided to go ahead with the Rebellion and make a stand anyway, they knew > their own life's were forfeit but they believed the Irish Nation would > rouse > and fight en mass if awakened. > The Rising failed but as foreseen by the leaders their executions did > arouse > and galvanize the Irish Nation. > > In the 1918 General Election their faith in the Irish people was justified > when twenty-eight of the thirty-two Irish Counties voted, most by large > majorities for a Free Independent Irish Republic endorsing the IRB > Rebellion > of 1916. The First Dail elected TD ( > Parliamentarians) became de jura the Government of the Irish Republic in > accordance with the 86% vote of the Irish People that they had received > and > sat in Dublin in an Irish Assembly boycotting Westminster. An increasingly > bloody Irish / English conflict followed up to the Truce in 1922. > > There were three reactions to the truce from Republicans who were by now > the > main players as the Old Nationalist Party had fell apart when most of its > rank and file simply transferred to Sinn Fein. Pro Treaty Republicans > accepted the Treaty as a 'stepping stone to freedom' Anti Treaty > Republicans > wanted to fight on for a full Republic and a Neutral Republicans refused > to > fight other Irishmen and women in pursuit of any political objectives. > > Britain armed and equipped the Pro Treaty new Free State, the latter > recruited former Irish solders who had served with Britain in the First > World War and they defeated the Anti Treaty Republicans in what became > known > in Republican parlance as the second defense of the Republic. The > Republicans in 1923 unilaterally ceased organized field military > operations > and went home. The Free State continued however to round up Republicans by > the hundreds and to try them for 'war crimes' > Thousands were in prison and over seventy seven of mainly leaders of the > Republican Movement were executed in captivity in circumstances that > Republicans then and since consider to be quasi-judicial and illegal. > > In 1926 Republicans again split, the majority remained with Sinn Fein who > boycotted the new Free State parliament but a sizable minority went with > the > new Fianna Fail organization led by Dev, Lemass, Aiken et al were for > working the structures since there was no realistic alternative. In 1932 > the > Fianna Fail won the majority with the electoral support of Sinn Fein. > Immediately the jails were opened and political prisoners, some with > multiple life sentences were freed. The Free State army was considerably > reduced, most of the ex British soldiers were discharged and ex-IRA Fianna > Fail supporters were recruited to reflect the political reality. > > In 1939 with another World War looming and a threat of an English or > German > Invasion or both on the cards, the Free State Army was again considerably > expanded and Old Comrades but their differences aside to face the common > threat leading to more reconciliation. A Local Defense Force of part time > soldiers was also former and many ex-IRA people again found themselves > giving local leadership and appreciated. > > The Free State Army had it's own foundation lore and ethos prior to > 1932 while the Republican accounts were ignored. Fianna Fail set up an > impartial Military Commission to interview all the veterans of the war of > Independence and the IRA and Ex IRA of the Civil War period. Their > accounts > were taken, referenced and then sealed until when most of those involved > would have died so to have these accounts open to historians with > reopening > old wounds. These accounts have become available in recent years and are > the > 'Witness Statements' referred to. > > I should perhaps also conclude with a caveat : most of my extended family > have been IRB, I have been an active Republican that fully supported the > recent Northern Republicans Freedom Struggle since late teens, I was a > member of The Sinn Fein National Exectuive during the seventies and I > remain > a supporter of the Republican Movement. Like most mainstream Republicans I > also support the Good Friday agreement and for the present, the current > political settlement. > > > > > On 4/4/12, mccarthyjh@aol.com <mccarthyjh@aol.com> wrote: >> Thanks. I thought it probably had some legal ramification that might >> have been different in older days. Happpy Easter to you and Joan >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> >> To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 2:52 pm >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam >> O'Dwyer? >> >> >> Hi Joan, >> Just in. I suppose that a "witness statement" would be an >> xpression in words (or by a sign) of having seen something. >> ---- Riobard. >> On 4 April 2012 16:19, <mccarthyjh@aol.com> wrote: >>> >> If I may be so dense as to ask, what is a "witness statement?" >> >> Joan >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> >> To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 5:51 am >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam >> O'Dwyer? >> >> >> Dear Lisa, >> I just noticed the question on the top. >> Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom was my father. >> ---- Riobard. >> n 4 April 2012 00:28, Lisa OSullivan <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: >> > >> >> Riobard, >> >> I just received the Witness Statement of Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom, Co. >> Co., C/C >> Castletownbere Battalion, Cork 111 Brigade, IRA. >> >> He notes his uncle Liam who was a teacher in Eyries National School. >> >> Surely, you've already seen all these records, but if you'd like a copy > of >> this >> statement for yourself, please e-mail me and I will send it to you. >> >> For all, these names are listed as officers of the company. >> >> O/C John O'Driscoll >> 1st Lt. Dan Harrington (Causky) >> 2nd Lt. Robert O'Dwyer (brother) >> >> I just recieved about 10 witness statements from the Castletown >> Brigade, > I >> still >> need to look at and will post associated names as I review. >> >> >> Lisa O'Sullivan >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >> >> ------------------------------ >> o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of he message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >> >> ------------------------------ >> o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com >> ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of >> he message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in >> the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folks : since the weekend of commemorations of the 1916 Easter Rebellion is here, it may be appropriate, with Bill's indulgence, to give a context and explanation for the Witness Statements referred to. Just pre the American Civil War Irish Americans formed an organization called The Irish Republican Brotherhood, usually referred to as the IRB. Most of those concerned were also members of The Ancient Irish and Scottish Masonic Order and had a lineage going back through the American War Of Independence to Irish and later, European Jacobite Traditions. The IRB had a number of objectives, first was to defend the unity and integrity of the American Republic, second, to get as many Irish Americans as possible trained in arms and military matters in The Northern and Confederate States, third, post the Civil War to form an Irish Republican Army in the US from Irish American war veterans, fourth, to use this trained and equipped army to invade Canada, fifth, to capture and hold Canada hostage to force Britain into a full and final settlement of the Irish question and sixth, to form an Independent Irish Republic of Catholic, Protestant and dissenter on the Island of Ireland. They got their trained manpower, the Irish Republican green uniformed army was formed and the invasion of Canada commenced. To the actual invasion the US government has appeared to be indifferent to all of this but they quickly intervened to play their own game, they stymied the invasion by preventing the ferrying across of artillery and other vital military equipment and they used the threat of the 'Fenian Invasion' to force Great Britain to settle a raft of outstanding issues between Britain and the US some going back to 1812. That done the East Coast WASP Establishment reneged on their promises and agreements and ordered the invasion force back to the US. After this stab in the back, US Officers were assigned to Ireland to foment a rebellion but the country was too demoralized after the Famine and the Rising of 67 was a failure. The IRB then began the hard slog of Nation Building and preparing the people for freedom. The Gaelic Athlete Association was formed to provide fitness training, The Gaelic League to preserve and promote Irish, The Land League to get tenant ownership and break landlords', The literary Revival to foster National pride and consciousness etc. Above however the IRB through it's Military Council, fomented and prepared for rebellion should the opportunity present. Two years into the First World War the judged that the time had come, Britain was bogged down on the Western Front, it had no troops to spare, most pro English of Military age were fighting in France and there were enough trained pro IRB Military Volunteers left in Ireland to carry out a rebellion. Guns were needed, the IRB had sourced 10,000 rifles, ammunition and other supplies from Germany and with these on their way to Ireland and due to arrive Holy Week, the Rising was on! Those IRB designated to meet with and bring in the arms ship took a wrong turn, drove off a pier in darkness and were drowned. Because of security and a close 'need to know' circle, there was no 'plan B' The ship uncontacted, steamed around, attracted attention and was intercepted by a British Warship. The crew scuttled it some miles off Kinsale. The IRB leaders decided to go ahead with the Rebellion and make a stand anyway, they knew their own life's were forfeit but they believed the Irish Nation would rouse and fight en mass if awakened. The Rising failed but as foreseen by the leaders their executions did arouse and galvanize the Irish Nation. In the 1918 General Election their faith in the Irish people was justified when twenty-eight of the thirty-two Irish Counties voted, most by large majorities for a Free Independent Irish Republic endorsing the IRB Rebellion of 1916. The First Dail elected TD ( Parliamentarians) became de jura the Government of the Irish Republic in accordance with the 86% vote of the Irish People that they had received and sat in Dublin in an Irish Assembly boycotting Westminster. An increasingly bloody Irish / English conflict followed up to the Truce in 1922. There were three reactions to the truce from Republicans who were by now the main players as the Old Nationalist Party had fell apart when most of its rank and file simply transferred to Sinn Fein. Pro Treaty Republicans accepted the Treaty as a 'stepping stone to freedom' Anti Treaty Republicans wanted to fight on for a full Republic and a Neutral Republicans refused to fight other Irishmen and women in pursuit of any political objectives. Britain armed and equipped the Pro Treaty new Free State, the latter recruited former Irish solders who had served with Britain in the First World War and they defeated the Anti Treaty Republicans in what became known in Republican parlance as the second defense of the Republic. The Republicans in 1923 unilaterally ceased organized field military operations and went home. The Free State continued however to round up Republicans by the hundreds and to try them for 'war crimes' Thousands were in prison and over seventy seven of mainly leaders of the Republican Movement were executed in captivity in circumstances that Republicans then and since consider to be quasi-judicial and illegal. In 1926 Republicans again split, the majority remained with Sinn Fein who boycotted the new Free State parliament but a sizable minority went with the new Fianna Fail organization led by Dev, Lemass, Aiken et al were for working the structures since there was no realistic alternative. In 1932 the Fianna Fail won the majority with the electoral support of Sinn Fein. Immediately the jails were opened and political prisoners, some with multiple life sentences were freed. The Free State army was considerably reduced, most of the ex British soldiers were discharged and ex-IRA Fianna Fail supporters were recruited to reflect the political reality. In 1939 with another World War looming and a threat of an English or German Invasion or both on the cards, the Free State Army was again considerably expanded and Old Comrades but their differences aside to face the common threat leading to more reconciliation. A Local Defense Force of part time soldiers was also former and many ex-IRA people again found themselves giving local leadership and appreciated. The Free State Army had it's own foundation lore and ethos prior to 1932 while the Republican accounts were ignored. Fianna Fail set up an impartial Military Commission to interview all the veterans of the war of Independence and the IRA and Ex IRA of the Civil War period. Their accounts were taken, referenced and then sealed until when most of those involved would have died so to have these accounts open to historians with reopening old wounds. These accounts have become available in recent years and are the 'Witness Statements' referred to. I should perhaps also conclude with a caveat : most of my extended family have been IRB, I have been an active Republican that fully supported the recent Northern Republicans Freedom Struggle since late teens, I was a member of The Sinn Fein National Exectuive during the seventies and I remain a supporter of the Republican Movement. Like most mainstream Republicans I also support the Good Friday agreement and for the present, the current political settlement. On 4/4/12, mccarthyjh@aol.com <mccarthyjh@aol.com> wrote: > Thanks. I thought it probably had some legal ramification that might have > been different in older days. Happpy Easter to you and Joan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> > To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 2:52 pm > Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam > O'Dwyer? > > > Hi Joan, > Just in. I suppose that a "witness statement" would be an > xpression in words (or by a sign) of having seen something. > ---- Riobard. > On 4 April 2012 16:19, <mccarthyjh@aol.com> wrote: >> > If I may be so dense as to ask, what is a "witness statement?" > > Joan > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> > To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 5:51 am > Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam > O'Dwyer? > > > Dear Lisa, > I just noticed the question on the top. > Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom was my father. > ---- Riobard. > n 4 April 2012 00:28, Lisa OSullivan <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: > > > > Riobard, > > I just received the Witness Statement of Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom, Co. > Co., C/C > Castletownbere Battalion, Cork 111 Brigade, IRA. > > He notes his uncle Liam who was a teacher in Eyries National School. > > Surely, you've already seen all these records, but if you'd like a copy of > this > statement for yourself, please e-mail me and I will send it to you. > > For all, these names are listed as officers of the company. > > O/C John O'Driscoll > 1st Lt. Dan Harrington (Causky) > 2nd Lt. Robert O'Dwyer (brother) > > I just recieved about 10 witness statements from the Castletown Brigade, I > still > need to look at and will post associated names as I review. > > > Lisa O'Sullivan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

My father, Liam O'Dwyer, was eventually Battalion Commandant of the 3rd West Cork Brigade. He took the anti-Treaty side in the Civil War. But, he bore no grievance against anybody when the War was over. He felt that he was right; others felt that they were right. That is the worst of a Civil War. ---- Riobard. On 4 April 2012 16:42, Judith Casey <judith@judithcasey.plus.com> wrote: > > > Dear Lisa, > please will you send me a copy to. > Many thanks. > Judith. > > On 04/04/2012 00:28, Lisa OSullivan wrote: > > > > Riobard, > > > > I just received the Witness Statement of Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom, Co. > Co., C/C > > Castletownbere Battalion, Cork 111 Brigade, IRA. > > > > He notes his uncle Liam who was a teacher in Eyries National School. > > > > Surely, you've already seen all these records, but if you'd like a copy > of this > > statement for yourself, please e-mail me and I will send it to you. > > > > For all, these names are listed as officers of the company. > > > > O/C John O'Driscoll > > 1st Lt. Dan Harrington (Causky) > > 2nd Lt. Robert O'Dwyer (brother) > > > > I just recieved about 10 witness statements from the Castletown Brigade, > I still > > need to look at and will post associated names as I review. > > > > > > Lisa O'Sullivan > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)*

Hi Joan, Just in. I suppose that a "witness statement" would be an expression in words (or by a sign) of having seen something. ---- Riobard. On 4 April 2012 16:19, <mccarthyjh@aol.com> wrote: > > If I may be so dense as to ask, what is a "witness statement?" > > Joan > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> > To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 5:51 am > Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam > O'Dwyer? > > > Dear Lisa, > I just noticed the question on the top. > Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom was my father. > ---- Riobard. > n 4 April 2012 00:28, Lisa OSullivan <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: > > > > Riobard, > > I just received the Witness Statement of Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom, Co. > Co., C/C > Castletownbere Battalion, Cork 111 Brigade, IRA. > > He notes his uncle Liam who was a teacher in Eyries National School. > > Surely, you've already seen all these records, but if you'd like a copy of > this > statement for yourself, please e-mail me and I will send it to you. > > For all, these names are listed as officers of the company. > > O/C John O'Driscoll > 1st Lt. Dan Harrington (Causky) > 2nd Lt. Robert O'Dwyer (brother) > > I just recieved about 10 witness statements from the Castletown Brigade, I > still > need to look at and will post associated names as I review. > > > Lisa O'Sullivan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)*

Dear Lisa, please will you send me a copy to. Many thanks. Judith. On 04/04/2012 00:28, Lisa OSullivan wrote: > > Riobard, > > I just received the Witness Statement of Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom, Co. Co., C/C > Castletownbere Battalion, Cork 111 Brigade, IRA. > > He notes his uncle Liam who was a teacher in Eyries National School. > > Surely, you've already seen all these records, but if you'd like a copy of this > statement for yourself, please e-mail me and I will send it to you. > > For all, these names are listed as officers of the company. > > O/C John O'Driscoll > 1st Lt. Dan Harrington (Causky) > 2nd Lt. Robert O'Dwyer (brother) > > I just recieved about 10 witness statements from the Castletown Brigade, I still > need to look at and will post associated names as I review. > > > Lisa O'Sullivan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks. I thought it probably had some legal ramification that might have been different in older days. Happpy Easter to you and Joan -----Original Message----- From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam O'Dwyer? Hi Joan, Just in. I suppose that a "witness statement" would be an xpression in words (or by a sign) of having seen something. ---- Riobard. On 4 April 2012 16:19, <mccarthyjh@aol.com> wrote: > If I may be so dense as to ask, what is a "witness statement?" Joan -----Original Message----- From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 5:51 am Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam O'Dwyer? Dear Lisa, I just noticed the question on the top. Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom was my father. ---- Riobard. n 4 April 2012 00:28, Lisa OSullivan <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: > Riobard, I just received the Witness Statement of Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom, Co. Co., C/C Castletownbere Battalion, Cork 111 Brigade, IRA. He notes his uncle Liam who was a teacher in Eyries National School. Surely, you've already seen all these records, but if you'd like a copy of this statement for yourself, please e-mail me and I will send it to you. For all, these names are listed as officers of the company. O/C John O'Driscoll 1st Lt. Dan Harrington (Causky) 2nd Lt. Robert O'Dwyer (brother) I just recieved about 10 witness statements from the Castletown Brigade, I still need to look at and will post associated names as I review. Lisa O'Sullivan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

If I may be so dense as to ask, what is a "witness statement?" Joan -----Original Message----- From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 5:51 am Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam O'Dwyer? Dear Lisa, I just noticed the question on the top. Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom was my father. ---- Riobard. n 4 April 2012 00:28, Lisa OSullivan <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: > Riobard, I just received the Witness Statement of Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom, Co. Co., C/C Castletownbere Battalion, Cork 111 Brigade, IRA. He notes his uncle Liam who was a teacher in Eyries National School. Surely, you've already seen all these records, but if you'd like a copy of this statement for yourself, please e-mail me and I will send it to you. For all, these names are listed as officers of the company. O/C John O'Driscoll 1st Lt. Dan Harrington (Causky) 2nd Lt. Robert O'Dwyer (brother) I just recieved about 10 witness statements from the Castletown Brigade, I still need to look at and will post associated names as I review. Lisa O'Sullivan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Dear Lisa, I just noticed the question on the top. Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom was my father. ---- Riobard. On 4 April 2012 00:28, Lisa OSullivan <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: > > > Riobard, > > I just received the Witness Statement of Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom, Co. > Co., C/C > Castletownbere Battalion, Cork 111 Brigade, IRA. > > He notes his uncle Liam who was a teacher in Eyries National School. > > Surely, you've already seen all these records, but if you'd like a copy of > this > statement for yourself, please e-mail me and I will send it to you. > > For all, these names are listed as officers of the company. > > O/C John O'Driscoll > 1st Lt. Dan Harrington (Causky) > 2nd Lt. Robert O'Dwyer (brother) > > I just recieved about 10 witness statements from the Castletown Brigade, I > still > need to look at and will post associated names as I review. > > > Lisa O'Sullivan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)*

Dear Lisa, If it wouldn't be putting you to too much trouble, I would like if you posted me on that statement; also the statement of the about 10 witnesses (when you are ready). My address is: Riobard O'Dwyer, Eyeries Village, Beara Peninsula, Co. Cork. ---- Riobard. On 4 April 2012 00:28, Lisa OSullivan <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: > > > Riobard, > > I just received the Witness Statement of Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom, Co. > Co., C/C > Castletownbere Battalion, Cork 111 Brigade, IRA. > > He notes his uncle Liam who was a teacher in Eyries National School. > > Surely, you've already seen all these records, but if you'd like a copy of > this > statement for yourself, please e-mail me and I will send it to you. > > For all, these names are listed as officers of the company. > > O/C John O'Driscoll > 1st Lt. Dan Harrington (Causky) > 2nd Lt. Robert O'Dwyer (brother) > > I just recieved about 10 witness statements from the Castletown Brigade, I > still > need to look at and will post associated names as I review. > > > Lisa O'Sullivan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)*

Riobard, I just received the Witness Statement of Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom, Co. Co., C/C Castletownbere Battalion, Cork 111 Brigade, IRA. He notes his uncle Liam who was a teacher in Eyries National School. Surely, you've already seen all these records, but if you'd like a copy of this statement for yourself, please e-mail me and I will send it to you. For all, these names are listed as officers of the company. O/C John O'Driscoll 1st Lt. Dan Harrington (Causky) 2nd Lt. Robert O'Dwyer (brother) I just recieved about 10 witness statements from the Castletown Brigade, I still need to look at and will post associated names as I review. Lisa O'Sullivan

As you may know, as of St. Patrick's Day last, Riobard's papers are at the New England Historical Genealogical Society (NEHGS) in Boston, MA, USA. The following information from NEHGS may be useful: Given the current level of cataloging, indexing and archiving of other previously acquired material, and the scope of work to be done with the O’ Dwyer material, we will made it accessible to the public a year from now on, appropriately, St. Patrick’s Day concurrent with the Beara Society Annual meeting and dinner. If someone has a specific request which pertains to this material, we will try to help them locate what is being sought. Right now, is it not in an order to be publicly researched. Thomas R. Crowley, An Taoiseach, Crowley Clan, 2001-2004

Donal, That was one of my favorite poems as a child. My mother used to sing it to us, and we had it prettily framed at the entrance of the dining room. It was nice to see it again, Joan -----Original Message----- From: donal O'Siodhachain <dospoet@gmail.com> To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Mar 28, 2012 4:47 pm Subject: Re: [BEARA] oak tree forests Susan et al : this poem is from my Primary School days and it was my ntroduction to Joyce. In 92 I edited and published a selected edition f his poems with an essay of introduction ( out of print, some still vailable in rare book suppliers but at five or more times cover price . The poem is appropriate here. rees (For Mrs. Henry Mills Alden) I think that I shall never see poem lovely as a tree. A tree whose hungry mouth is prest gainst the earth's sweet flowing breast; A tree that looks at God all day, nd lifts her leafy arms to pray; A tree that may in Summer wear nest of robins in her hair; Upon whose bosom snow has lain; ho intimately lives with rain. Poems are made by fools like me, ut only God can make a tree. For those of you who do not know and may be interested Joyce was an rish American who died under arms with the NY 69 'Fighting Irish' in he closing days of WW1. His poetry is spiritual, simple but profound nd very accessible. Enjoy! http://www.fullbooks.com/Trees-and-Other-Poems-by-Joyce-Kilmer.html Slan is beannacht, Donal O' On 3/28/12, Susan Twomey <mtpv@arcatanet.com> wrote: I like this motto..."Up with trees!" Susan On Mar 27, 2012, at 7:55 PM, Kevin Kelly wrote: > Even today, under certain conditions one can get a firsthand sense of the > at > least some impacts from deforestation. One day my wife and I were walking > a > ways west of Ballyvaghan, on some hills above the Atlantic coast at the > southwest corner of Galway bay. The weather was wretched, foggy and very > wet. There was almost no visibility and we had to tread carefully lest > our > feet suddenly lurch into a puddle and receive a cold bath. As the rough > road continued up the hill toward a peat bog (where we would march around > for a while like happy idiots, before returning to our rental car), we > walked along it and into a very large rectangle of land closely planted > with > large trees that towered over us. Almost immediately, the wind stilled > and > the air was suddenly full of song from a myriad of birds. I found this to > > be a remarkably joyful and moving experience. As the road exited the > other > side of the rectangle and we once more found ourselves in open land, the > bird songs ceased and the stiff wind returned in full force. > > I realize now that life in general and even how one experiences the > weather > is closely bound to environmental conditions. Up with trees! > > Kevin in MO > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Susan et al : this poem is from my Primary School days and it was my introduction to Joyce. In 92 I edited and published a selected edition of his poems with an essay of introduction ( out of print, some still available in rare book suppliers but at five or more times cover price ). The poem is appropriate here. Trees (For Mrs. Henry Mills Alden) I think that I shall never see A poem lovely as a tree. A tree whose hungry mouth is prest Against the earth's sweet flowing breast; A tree that looks at God all day, And lifts her leafy arms to pray; A tree that may in Summer wear A nest of robins in her hair; Upon whose bosom snow has lain; Who intimately lives with rain. Poems are made by fools like me, But only God can make a tree. For those of you who do not know and may be interested Joyce was an Irish American who died under arms with the NY 69 'Fighting Irish' in the closing days of WW1. His poetry is spiritual, simple but profound and very accessible. Enjoy! http://www.fullbooks.com/Trees-and-Other-Poems-by-Joyce-Kilmer.html Slan is beannacht, Donal O' On 3/28/12, Susan Twomey <mtpv@arcatanet.com> wrote: > I like this motto..."Up with trees!" > > Susan > > > On Mar 27, 2012, at 7:55 PM, Kevin Kelly wrote: > >> Even today, under certain conditions one can get a firsthand sense of the >> at >> least some impacts from deforestation. One day my wife and I were walking >> a >> ways west of Ballyvaghan, on some hills above the Atlantic coast at the >> southwest corner of Galway bay. The weather was wretched, foggy and very >> wet. There was almost no visibility and we had to tread carefully lest >> our >> feet suddenly lurch into a puddle and receive a cold bath. As the rough >> road continued up the hill toward a peat bog (where we would march around >> for a while like happy idiots, before returning to our rental car), we >> walked along it and into a very large rectangle of land closely planted >> with >> large trees that towered over us. Almost immediately, the wind stilled >> and >> the air was suddenly full of song from a myriad of birds. I found this to >> >> be a remarkably joyful and moving experience. As the road exited the >> other >> side of the rectangle and we once more found ourselves in open land, the >> bird songs ceased and the stiff wind returned in full force. >> >> I realize now that life in general and even how one experiences the >> weather >> is closely bound to environmental conditions. Up with trees! >> >> Kevin in MO >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

I have a "seasoned" copy of this arranged as a song... voice and piano sheet music...from my youth. Thanks. /Susan On Mar 28, 2012, at 1:44 PM, donal O'Siodhachain wrote: > Susan et al : this poem is from my Primary School days and it was my > introduction to Joyce. In 92 I edited and published a selected edition > of his poems with an essay of introduction ( out of print, some still > available in rare book suppliers but at five or more times cover price > ). The poem is appropriate here. > > > Trees > > (For Mrs. Henry Mills Alden) > > > > I think that I shall never see > A poem lovely as a tree. > > A tree whose hungry mouth is prest > Against the earth's sweet flowing breast; > > A tree that looks at God all day, > And lifts her leafy arms to pray; > > A tree that may in Summer wear > A nest of robins in her hair; > > Upon whose bosom snow has lain; > Who intimately lives with rain. > > Poems are made by fools like me, > But only God can make a tree. > > For those of you who do not know and may be interested Joyce was an > Irish American who died under arms with the NY 69 'Fighting Irish' in > the closing days of WW1. His poetry is spiritual, simple but profound > and very accessible. Enjoy! > > http://www.fullbooks.com/Trees-and-Other-Poems-by-Joyce-Kilmer.html > > Slan is beannacht, Donal O' > > On 3/28/12, Susan Twomey <mtpv@arcatanet.com> wrote: >> I like this motto..."Up with trees!" >> >> Susan >> >> >> On Mar 27, 2012, at 7:55 PM, Kevin Kelly wrote: >> >>> Even today, under certain conditions one can get a firsthand sense of the >>> at >>> least some impacts from deforestation. One day my wife and I were walking >>> a >>> ways west of Ballyvaghan, on some hills above the Atlantic coast at the >>> southwest corner of Galway bay. The weather was wretched, foggy and very >>> wet. There was almost no visibility and we had to tread carefully lest >>> our >>> feet suddenly lurch into a puddle and receive a cold bath. As the rough >>> road continued up the hill toward a peat bog (where we would march around >>> for a while like happy idiots, before returning to our rental car), we >>> walked along it and into a very large rectangle of land closely planted >>> with >>> large trees that towered over us. Almost immediately, the wind stilled >>> and >>> the air was suddenly full of song from a myriad of birds. I found this to >>> >>> be a remarkably joyful and moving experience. As the road exited the >>> other >>> side of the rectangle and we once more found ourselves in open land, the >>> bird songs ceased and the stiff wind returned in full force. >>> >>> I realize now that life in general and even how one experiences the >>> weather >>> is closely bound to environmental conditions. Up with trees! >>> >>> Kevin in MO >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Susan Twomey 319 Howard Heights Rd Eureka, CA 95503 tel 707-444-2522

I like this motto..."Up with trees!" Susan On Mar 27, 2012, at 7:55 PM, Kevin Kelly wrote: > Even today, under certain conditions one can get a firsthand sense of the at > least some impacts from deforestation. One day my wife and I were walking a > ways west of Ballyvaghan, on some hills above the Atlantic coast at the > southwest corner of Galway bay. The weather was wretched, foggy and very > wet. There was almost no visibility and we had to tread carefully lest our > feet suddenly lurch into a puddle and receive a cold bath. As the rough > road continued up the hill toward a peat bog (where we would march around > for a while like happy idiots, before returning to our rental car), we > walked along it and into a very large rectangle of land closely planted with > large trees that towered over us. Almost immediately, the wind stilled and > the air was suddenly full of song from a myriad of birds. I found this to > be a remarkably joyful and moving experience. As the road exited the other > side of the rectangle and we once more found ourselves in open land, the > bird songs ceased and the stiff wind returned in full force. > > I realize now that life in general and even how one experiences the weather > is closely bound to environmental conditions. Up with trees! > > Kevin in MO >