I knew I recognized it!  I have a digital copy I'll be happy to email you directly.  Shall I post it to bearariobard@gmail.com?   Lisa ________________________________ From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> To: beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, April 4, 2012 4:42:03 AM Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam O'Dwyer? Dear Lisa,               If it wouldn't be putting you to too much trouble, I would like if you posted me on that statement; also the statement of the about 10 witnesses (when you are ready).               My address is:               Riobard O'Dwyer,               Eyeries Village,               Beara Peninsula,               Co. Cork.                           ---- Riobard. On 4 April 2012 00:28, Lisa OSullivan <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: > > > Riobard, > > I just received the Witness Statement of Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom, Co. > Co., C/C > Castletownbere Battalion, Cork 111 Brigade, IRA. > > He notes his uncle Liam who was a teacher in Eyries National School. > > Surely, you've already seen all these records, but if you'd like a copy of > this > statement for yourself, please e-mail me and I will send it to you. > > For all, these names are listed as officers of the company. > > O/C John O'Driscoll > 1st Lt. Dan Harrington (Causky) > 2nd Lt. Robert O'Dwyer (brother) > > I just recieved about 10 witness statements from the Castletown Brigade, I > still > need to look at and will post associated names as I review. > > > Lisa O'Sullivan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folks ; I have already written a private post to Bill that make things a little clearer as to how last night's crossed lines arose. Meanwhile this is for Bill and others out there who know the loss of loved and loving father.... as you all know it is not only the grief of the passing, it is those unexpected moments that can slip beneath the guard touch to the very core that bring all the pain and loss alive anew even after long years. One such moment regarding my own father Michael Sheehan RIP, inspired this for me and I am posting here for Bill. Slan is beannacht, Donal O' Remembering my father ( for Bill Mulligan USA) "My father died last January"- The readers measured words caught me unawares, resonating inside my head and you flashed through my mind, in the meadows, in bog land and in your cancer bed Remembering now when I gave you their verdict, of how you laughed in the the face of death, saying that months not weeks would be yours - that you would live for some time yet The brightness in your eyes - and your voice confident, strong made me doubt the white coats, thinking , hoping that they were wrong.Your certainity, the gift it seemed you had to know- then named the summer, saying that it was your own time to go As it came, I watched you waste back to shrivelled skin and bone until my mother could lift you from mattress to chair, easily, cleanly, alone- You that that I had seen stride, with two cwt of barley on your shoulder- or wrestle a bogdeal root from blue mud, a crochail large as a boulder During those final weeks, time and yet time again, no doubts or self pity’ no surrender to pain. A triumph of spirit over body of faith over empty ritual prayer twenty four years gone, Mike, my friend, my father and still, not a day that you have not been there On 4/6/12, Karen J Farmer <kjfarmer66@gmail.com> wrote: > Prayers and thoughts to you and all your family. Our family tradition is to > plant a tree in memory of a lost loved one and to toast the tree on St. > Patricks day to all the lost loved ones. > Karen in Colorado > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Bill Mulligan > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 5:03 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BEARA] Request > > As many of you know, I have no Beara roots myself, but an interest in the > experience of Beara emigrants in the US. > > > > Please remember my father, William H. Mulligan, Sr., in your prayers. He > died on March 29th two weeks short of his 89th birthday and was buried > Monday April 2. He was proud of his Irish roots and passed that pride on to > me. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

That is a great poem. Thanks for sharing. > Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 21:31:15 +0100 > From: dospoet@gmail.com > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Request > > Hi Folks ; I have already written a private post to Bill that make > things a little clearer as to how last night's crossed lines arose. > Meanwhile this is for Bill and others out there who know the loss of > loved and loving father.... as you all know it is not only the grief > of the passing, it is those unexpected moments that can slip beneath > the guard touch to the very core that bring all the pain and loss > alive anew even after long years. > > One such moment regarding my own father Michael Sheehan RIP, inspired > this for me and I am posting here for Bill. > > Slan is beannacht, Donal O' > > Remembering my father > ( for Bill Mulligan USA) > > "My father died last January"- > The readers measured words > caught me unawares, resonating > inside my head and you flashed > through my mind, in the meadows, > in bog land and in your cancer bed > > Remembering now when I gave you > their verdict, of how you laughed > in the the face of death, saying that > months not weeks would be yours - > that you would live for some time yet > > The brightness in your eyes - > and your voice confident, strong > made me doubt the white coats, > thinking , hoping that they were > wrong.Your certainity, the gift > it seemed you had to know- > then named the summer, saying > that it was your own time to go > > As it came, I watched you waste > back to shrivelled skin and bone > until my mother could lift you from > mattress to chair, easily, cleanly, alone- > You that that I had seen stride, with > two cwt of barley on your shoulder- > or wrestle a bogdeal root from blue > mud, a crochail large as a boulder > > During those final weeks, time > and yet time again, no doubts or > self pity’ no surrender to pain. > A triumph of spirit over body > of faith over empty ritual prayer > twenty four years gone, Mike, > my friend, my father and still, not > a day that you have not been there > > > > > On 4/6/12, Karen J Farmer <kjfarmer66@gmail.com> wrote: > > Prayers and thoughts to you and all your family. Our family tradition is to > > plant a tree in memory of a lost loved one and to toast the tree on St. > > Patricks day to all the lost loved ones. > > Karen in Colorado > > -----Original Message----- > > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > > Behalf Of Bill Mulligan > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 5:03 PM > > To: beara@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [BEARA] Request > > > > As many of you know, I have no Beara roots myself, but an interest in the > > experience of Beara emigrants in the US. > > > > > > > > Please remember my father, William H. Mulligan, Sr., in your prayers. He > > died on March 29th two weeks short of his 89th birthday and was buried > > Monday April 2. He was proud of his Irish roots and passed that pride on to > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I stumbled accross a booklet "The Boys of the Millstreet Battalion." The book covered the area where my maternal grandparents lived. There was a witness statement from my Grandpa's older brother. Nothing dramatic but interesting to family anyway. The witness statement covered the period of the 1916 rising. Poor Denis, the company captain, was one of the few men to show up because as you know signals got crossed. They waited awhile and went on the run. The statement says the RIC came by the farm and my greatgrandmother asked what they wanted with Denis to which Constable Sullivan replied "to give him the lead." I heard countless stories from my grandmother about those times. She told how she hid another of my granduncles in her house one night. He said he had a bad feeling and went to hide in the fields just before the soldiers came. Of course as a young kid I was led to believe it was always the Black and Tans. As I got older I found out some of the "enemy" (including the above soldiers) were fellow Irish fighting for the Free State. Time heals all wounds (or should) but Grandma could carry a grudge. I was at her house when one of Grandpa's nieces visited from Ireland. She was ecstatic about the soon to be out Michael Collins movie with Liam Neeson. I thought Grandma would choke. After the Civil War a lot of that generation of my family came to the US. Several returned to Ireland a few years later. Does that fit your family also Riobard? Pat On 04/04/12, Riobard O' Dwyer<bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: My father, Liam O'Dwyer, was eventually Battalion Commandant of the 3rd West Cork Brigade. He took the anti-Treaty side in the Civil War. But, he bore no grievance against anybody when the War was over. He felt that he was right; others felt that they were right. That is the worst of a Civil War. ---- Riobard. On 4 April 2012 16:42, Judith Casey <[1]judith@judithcasey.plus.com> wrote: > > > Dear Lisa, > please will you send me a copy to. > Many thanks. > Judith. > > On 04/04/2012 00:28, Lisa OSullivan wrote: > > > > Riobard, > > > > I just received the Witness Statement of Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom, Co. > Co., C/C > > Castletownbere Battalion, Cork 111 Brigade, IRA. > > > > He notes his uncle Liam who was a teacher in Eyries National School. > > > > Surely, you've already seen all these records, but if you'd like a copy > of this > > statement for yourself, please e-mail me and I will send it to you. > > > > For all, these names are listed as officers of the company. > > > > O/C John O'Driscoll > > 1st Lt. Dan Harrington (Causky) > > 2nd Lt. Robert O'Dwyer (brother) > > > > I just recieved about 10 witness statements from the Castletown Brigade, > I still > > need to look at and will post associated names as I review. > > > > > > Lisa O'Sullivan > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [2]BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [3]BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [4]BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:judith@judithcasey.plus.com 2. mailto:BEARA-request@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:BEARA-request@rootsweb.com 4. mailto:BEARA-request@rootsweb.com

On 06/04/2012 00:02, Bill Mulligan wrote: > As many of you know, I have no Beara roots myself, but an interest in the > experience of Beara emigrants in the US. > > > > Please remember my father, William H. Mulligan, Sr., in your prayers. He > died on March 29th two weeks short of his 89th birthday and was buried > Monday April 2. He was proud of his Irish roots and passed that pride on to > me. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Eternal rest grant unto your father Bill, and may perpetual light shine upon him. May he rest in peace. Condolences to you and your family.

Dear Bill, Joan & I wish to send you our sincere sympathy on the death of your father R.I.P. Hope you are keeping well. Maybe you might pay a trip to Eyeries again when you have a bit of time. You will be very welcome. Sincerely, Riobard. On 6 April 2012 00:02, Bill Mulligan <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> wrote: > As many of you know, I have no Beara roots myself, but an interest in the > experience of Beara emigrants in the US. > > > > Please remember my father, William H. Mulligan, Sr., in your prayers. He > died on March 29th two weeks short of his 89th birthday and was buried > Monday April 2. He was proud of his Irish roots and passed that pride on > to > me. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)*

Prayers and thoughts to you and all your family. Our family tradition is to plant a tree in memory of a lost loved one and to toast the tree on St. Patricks day to all the lost loved ones. Karen in Colorado -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mulligan Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 5:03 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: [BEARA] Request As many of you know, I have no Beara roots myself, but an interest in the experience of Beara emigrants in the US. Please remember my father, William H. Mulligan, Sr., in your prayers. He died on March 29th two weeks short of his 89th birthday and was buried Monday April 2. He was proud of his Irish roots and passed that pride on to me. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bill, sincere and humble apologies, on two counts. First Bill G. had just rapped me over the knuckles for our spat and the em was meant as a private reply to him not for a public post. I am due for hospital to morrow as stated and on painkillers so concentration is not the best. Second I had not seen the reference to your bereavement not was I aware of it when I posted that or the news of Barney McKennas passing. Having had that sad experience my self with my own father, I can but offer you my condolences and prayers. Slan is beannacht a chara, Donal O'. On 4/6/12, Bill Mulligan <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> wrote: > An odd response. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of donal O'Siodhachain > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 10:15 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Request > > Sad footnote from yesterday : Barney McKenna the much lover and skilled > tenor banjo player with the Dubliners Folk Group died this morning while > having a cup of tea with a friend at home prior to going away to his country > retreat for the weekend. > > Just yesterday he gave his last public performance when he led a group of > musicians in a Trad mass for an RTE floor manager friend. His final > rendering was that beautiful old air 'Ar Eireann ni nosan ce hi' > ( For Ireland I will not tell her name ) and it brought a prolonged, > standing ovation. > > A lovely humorous man of quirky sayings ( some weeks back he joined the > group he was with and imparted the following 'Blarneyism' gem " > Do ye know that Ireland's oldest woman is still alive?" ) he will be sadly > missed. > > Siochan De ar a h-Anam uasal! > > Slan is beannacht, Donal O > > On 4/6/12, pat oleary <poleary42@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Very sorry for the loss of your father. >> >> --- On Thu, 4/5/12, Bill Mulligan <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> wrote: >> >> >> From: Bill Mulligan <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> >> Subject: [BEARA] Request >> To: beara@rootsweb.com >> Date: Thursday, April 5, 2012, 7:02 PM >> >> >> As many of you know, I have no Beara roots myself, but an interest in >> the experience of Beara emigrants in the US. >> >> >> >> Please remember my father, William H. Mulligan, Sr.,  in your prayers. >> He died on March 29th two weeks short of his 89th birthday and was >> buried Monday April 2.  He was proud of his Irish roots and passed >> that pride on to me. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Bill, agreed but as you see having given him a kick in the backside I did follow up in my next post with a pat in the back? I was dealing in broad brush strokes and he was applying academic standards...... he could see that and choose to point score. It would have been different and I could accept his point had I not given the caveat at the end. Remember all the rumpus with Reg last fall and now he is one of the first in there defending me? Anyway Bill it is bed now and a day in hospital to-morrow for tests I am afraid. Happy Easter ! Slan is beannacht, Donal O' On 4/6/12, Bill Gawne <gawne@cesmail.net> wrote: > Now that Bill has responded to Donal, I'm asking both gentlemen to > take their discussion off-line. I think we've gotten enough > information for interested parties to pursue their own study, and I > prefer to keep the discussion more closely focused on Beara issues. > > Bill Gawne > > Bill Mulligan <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> writes: > >> Donal, >> >> A bit personal, but let's go. Granted that you simplified complex events, >> but simplifying requires choices--conscious choices one can be held >> accountable for. > [...] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

Sad footnote from yesterday : Barney McKenna the much lover and skilled tenor banjo player with the Dubliners Folk Group died this morning while having a cup of tea with a friend at home prior to going away to his country retreat for the weekend. Just yesterday he gave his last public performance when he led a group of musicians in a Trad mass for an RTE floor manager friend. His final rendering was that beautiful old air 'Ar Eireann ni nosan ce hi' ( For Ireland I will not tell her name ) and it brought a prolonged, standing ovation. A lovely humorous man of quirky sayings ( some weeks back he joined the group he was with and imparted the following 'Blarneyism' gem " Do ye know that Ireland's oldest woman is still alive?" ) he will be sadly missed. Siochan De ar a h-Anam uasal! Slan is beannacht, Donal O On 4/6/12, pat oleary <poleary42@yahoo.com> wrote: > Very sorry for the loss of your father. > > --- On Thu, 4/5/12, Bill Mulligan <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> wrote: > > > From: Bill Mulligan <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> > Subject: [BEARA] Request > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, April 5, 2012, 7:02 PM > > > As many of you know, I have no Beara roots myself, but an interest in the > experience of Beara emigrants in the US. > > > > Please remember my father, William H. Mulligan, Sr.,  in your prayers.  He > died on March 29th two weeks short of his 89th birthday and was buried > Monday April 2.  He was proud of his Irish roots and passed that pride on to > me. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

This was Joan's query "... If I may be so dense as to ask, what is a "witness statement?" The need for these witness statements could not be explained without reference to certain seminal Irish, US and other historical events. The need for these statements arose because all Anti-Treaty Republicans were not only excluded from political power for the first decade of the Free State, they were also written out of 'official' history. Explaining that meant dealing with the Civil war, this in turn meant dealing with the war of Independence and the 1918 election, that came from the Easter Rising, that in turn came from the IRB Military Council that came from etc, etc. My intent was to layout a roadmap and linkages through these events for people who may not be as knowledgeable on Irish History as they would like to be and give them starting points. Others such as Mary from Southern England and Reg from Canada have shown here they are well capable of following up information for their own facts and reaching their own conclusions. It was an IRB and Republican perspective, my caveat made that clear. Bill also has a perspective and one that often differ from mine but he is also one of the finest Irish / American historians of his own or any other time. I appreciate his academic record, work and worth. Slan is beannacht, Donal O On 4/6/12, donal O'Siodhachain <dospoet@gmail.com> wrote: > Bill M, > any one paragraph of my simplified outline would have required a > detailed essay and extensive footnotes to even begin to cover the > subject referred to. You of course know that too! > > With respect this is neither the time or the place, but hopefully one > of these days our trails will cross in an academic setting where we > can explore our respective stands in appropriate subject matter in a > no holds barred way. Sufficient to say that if the political > establishment and those who were their bought and paid for academic > mouthpieces did not try and preserve the outrageous discriminatory > status quo in the now dismantled Orange Statelet and corrupt politics > in The South, the Northern conflict would not have dragged on for > almost three decades of killing, destruction and mayhem. > > Did Professor John A Murphy of Cork University History Dep. your old > Irish stomping ground did not get his seat in the Irish Senate for > ruthlessly holding up the mirror of history to the times that he was > in ? It took a new young generation of my sons age such as Dr. > O'Driscoll and Dr Fintan Lane to to lay out an unvarnished, no punches > pulled version of Irish history as it happened instead of so many that > cut the feet of history to suit whatever shoes of political expediency > their paymasters of the day presented to them. > > That same difference was fought out in the States between those who > supported Nor Aid and Irish Republicans and those who supported other > funding designed to mop up these sources of financing and channel them > into 'safe' pro Irish Establishment causes. That was also the way in > Fenian times : when my relatives sheltered and helped get the US > Former Union Commanding Officer of the Fenian Rising in Kerry free and > out, other Catholic/Nationalists part of the status quo would have the > turned the same man in. > > When you were moving in these privileged Cork circles and enjoying the > benefits of your Fulbright scholarship, I was getting harassed by > political police and getting regularly arrested for constantly > exposing the kinds of corruption that have now made Ireland a world > disgrace! > > The IRB in the 1940's brought over the sainted Fr.Flannigan of Boys > Town fame to expose the Institutional Child Sexual Abuse here. Church > and State combined to run him out of ireland....... and the Irish > Establishment was able to call on it's compliant Greek Chorus from the > so called Irish Lobby to rubbish him when he got home. We now know to > our everlasting shame who was correct on that one. > > As was evident from my caveat, I gave an IRB overview of these events! > 'Regardez le source' indeed! In my concluding caveat also my colors > are there for all to see and judge what I have written in that > context. Where or what are yours Bill ? > > Slan is beannacht, Donal O' > > On 4/6/12, Reg Volk <regvolk@shaw.ca> wrote: >> Bill >> >> I think donal et al of us realize that it was the Fenians that were >> precursors of the IRB. The date is semantics. >> >> They were certainly"interested" in the stability of Canada- BOTH Upper >> and >> Lower! >> >> A realtive of mine seems to have been connected to the Mason and the >> Fenians/IRB through Canada AND the U.S. These connections were quite >> common, at least in Canada. >> >> Yes the Irish were"cannon fodder" in the civil war-BOTH Cathloic and >> Protestant! >> >> I believe donal IS a realiable source. >> >> CHEERS-Reg-Canada. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bill Mulligan" <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> >> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 4:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam >> O'Dwyer? >> >> >>> As seems to be a pattern, not quite right historically. >>> >>> The IRB was founded during the American Civil War, not before it, and >>> had >>> no >>> interest in the stability of the United States as a unitified country. >>> Most >>> Irish recruiting efforts were in the North where most Irish were >>> Catholic >>> and amenable. The IRB was concerned with a free Ireland and was >>> overwhelmingly Catholic in its membership--as best we know. >>> >>> The Catholic Church in the US, clearly controlled by the 1860s by the >>> Irish, >>> was vehemently opposed to the Masons and all secret societies--a serious >>> problem for the IRB--and any connection between the Church and the >>> Masons >>> of >>> any stripe, or other secret societies, is highly doubtful. The AOH had >>> problems with the hierarchy and its secret status despite its strongly >>> Catholic base. >>> >>> There is no evidence of WASP establishment support for planned the IRB >>> invasion of Canada. They could not renege on something they had never >>> given. >>> The WASP establishment, if such a thing was self-conscious, was very >>> anti-Irish Catholic on the eve of and through the Civil War. One of >>> Meagher's issues was the use of Irish Catholic troops for very high risk >>> missions resulting in extremely high casualties. The Irish Catholics >>> were >>> cannon fodder in a more recent generation's tersm. >>> >>> As for the rest, regardez le source. >>> >>> Bill Mulligan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >>> Behalf Of donal O'Siodhachain >>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 11:14 AM >>> To: beara@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam >>> O'Dwyer? >>> >>> Hi Folks : since the weekend of commemorations of the 1916 Easter >>> Rebellion >>> is here, it may be appropriate, with Bill's indulgence, to give a >>> context >>> and explanation for the Witness Statements referred to. >>> >>> Just pre the American Civil War Irish Americans formed an organization >>> called The Irish Republican Brotherhood, usually referred to as the IRB. >>> Most of those concerned were also members of The Ancient Irish and >>> Scottish >>> Masonic Order and had a lineage going back through the American War Of >>> Independence to Irish and later, European Jacobite Traditions. >>> >>> The IRB had a number of objectives, first was to defend the unity and >>> integrity of the American Republic, second, to get as many Irish >>> Americans >>> as possible trained in arms and military matters in The Northern and >>> Confederate States, third, post the Civil War to form an Irish >>> Republican >>> Army in the US from Irish American war veterans, fourth, to use this >>> trained >>> and equipped army to invade Canada, fifth, to capture and hold Canada >>> hostage to force Britain into a full and final settlement of the Irish >>> question and sixth, to form an Independent Irish Republic of Catholic, >>> Protestant and dissenter on the Island of Ireland. >>> >>> They got their trained manpower, the Irish Republican green uniformed >>> army >>> was formed and the invasion of Canada commenced. To the actual invasion >>> the >>> US government has appeared to be indifferent to all of this but they >>> quickly >>> intervened to play their own game, they stymied the invasion by >>> preventing >>> the ferrying across of artillery and other vital military equipment and >>> they >>> used the threat of the 'Fenian Invasion' to force Great Britain to >>> settle >>> a >>> raft of outstanding issues between Britain and the US some going back to >>> 1812. That done the East Coast WASP Establishment reneged on their >>> promises >>> and agreements and ordered the invasion force back to the US. >>> >>> After this stab in the back, US Officers were assigned to Ireland to >>> foment >>> a rebellion but the country was too demoralized after the Famine and the >>> Rising of 67 was a failure. The IRB then began the hard slog of Nation >>> Building and preparing the people for freedom. The Gaelic Athlete >>> Association was formed to provide fitness training, The Gaelic League to >>> preserve and promote Irish, The Land League to get tenant ownership and >>> break landlords', The literary Revival to foster National pride and >>> consciousness etc. Above however the IRB through it's Military Council, >>> fomented and prepared for rebellion should the opportunity present. >>> >>> Two years into the First World War the judged that the time had come, >>> Britain was bogged down on the Western Front, it had no troops to spare, >>> most pro English of Military age were fighting in France and there were >>> enough trained pro IRB Military Volunteers left in Ireland to carry out >>> a >>> rebellion. Guns were needed, the IRB had sourced 10,000 rifles, >>> ammunition >>> and other supplies from Germany and with these on their way to Ireland >>> and >>> due to arrive Holy Week, the Rising was on! >>> >>> Those IRB designated to meet with and bring in the arms ship took a >>> wrong >>> turn, drove off a pier in darkness and were drowned. Because of security >>> and >>> a close 'need to know' circle, there was no 'plan B' The ship >>> uncontacted, >>> steamed around, attracted attention and was intercepted by a British >>> Warship. The crew scuttled it some miles off Kinsale. The IRB leaders >>> decided to go ahead with the Rebellion and make a stand anyway, they >>> knew >>> their own life's were forfeit but they believed the Irish Nation would >>> rouse >>> and fight en mass if awakened. >>> The Rising failed but as foreseen by the leaders their executions did >>> arouse >>> and galvanize the Irish Nation. >>> >>> In the 1918 General Election their faith in the Irish people was >>> justified >>> when twenty-eight of the thirty-two Irish Counties voted, most by large >>> majorities for a Free Independent Irish Republic endorsing the IRB >>> Rebellion >>> of 1916. The First Dail elected TD ( >>> Parliamentarians) became de jura the Government of the Irish Republic in >>> accordance with the 86% vote of the Irish People that they had received >>> and >>> sat in Dublin in an Irish Assembly boycotting Westminster. An >>> increasingly >>> bloody Irish / English conflict followed up to the Truce in 1922. >>> >>> There were three reactions to the truce from Republicans who were by now >>> the >>> main players as the Old Nationalist Party had fell apart when most of >>> its >>> rank and file simply transferred to Sinn Fein. Pro Treaty Republicans >>> accepted the Treaty as a 'stepping stone to freedom' Anti Treaty >>> Republicans >>> wanted to fight on for a full Republic and a Neutral Republicans refused >>> to >>> fight other Irishmen and women in pursuit of any political objectives. >>> >>> Britain armed and equipped the Pro Treaty new Free State, the latter >>> recruited former Irish solders who had served with Britain in the First >>> World War and they defeated the Anti Treaty Republicans in what became >>> known >>> in Republican parlance as the second defense of the Republic. The >>> Republicans in 1923 unilaterally ceased organized field military >>> operations >>> and went home. The Free State continued however to round up Republicans >>> by >>> the hundreds and to try them for 'war crimes' >>> Thousands were in prison and over seventy seven of mainly leaders of the >>> Republican Movement were executed in captivity in circumstances that >>> Republicans then and since consider to be quasi-judicial and illegal. >>> >>> In 1926 Republicans again split, the majority remained with Sinn Fein >>> who >>> boycotted the new Free State parliament but a sizable minority went with >>> the >>> new Fianna Fail organization led by Dev, Lemass, Aiken et al were for >>> working the structures since there was no realistic alternative. In 1932 >>> the >>> Fianna Fail won the majority with the electoral support of Sinn Fein. >>> Immediately the jails were opened and political prisoners, some with >>> multiple life sentences were freed. The Free State army was considerably >>> reduced, most of the ex British soldiers were discharged and ex-IRA >>> Fianna >>> Fail supporters were recruited to reflect the political reality. >>> >>> In 1939 with another World War looming and a threat of an English or >>> German >>> Invasion or both on the cards, the Free State Army was again >>> considerably >>> expanded and Old Comrades but their differences aside to face the common >>> threat leading to more reconciliation. A Local Defense Force of part >>> time >>> soldiers was also former and many ex-IRA people again found themselves >>> giving local leadership and appreciated. >>> >>> The Free State Army had it's own foundation lore and ethos prior to >>> 1932 while the Republican accounts were ignored. Fianna Fail set up an >>> impartial Military Commission to interview all the veterans of the war >>> of >>> Independence and the IRA and Ex IRA of the Civil War period. Their >>> accounts >>> were taken, referenced and then sealed until when most of those >>> involved >>> would have died so to have these accounts open to historians with >>> reopening >>> old wounds. These accounts have become available in recent years and are >>> the >>> 'Witness Statements' referred to. >>> >>> I should perhaps also conclude with a caveat : most of my extended >>> family >>> have been IRB, I have been an active Republican that fully supported the >>> recent Northern Republicans Freedom Struggle since late teens, I was a >>> member of The Sinn Fein National Exectuive during the seventies and I >>> remain >>> a supporter of the Republican Movement. Like most mainstream Republicans >>> I >>> also support the Good Friday agreement and for the present, the current >>> political settlement. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/4/12, mccarthyjh@aol.com <mccarthyjh@aol.com> wrote: >>>> Thanks. I thought it probably had some legal ramification that might >>>> have been different in older days. Happpy Easter to you and Joan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> >>>> To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 2:52 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam >>>> O'Dwyer? >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Joan, >>>> Just in. I suppose that a "witness statement" would be an >>>> xpression in words (or by a sign) of having seen something. >>>> ---- Riobard. >>>> On 4 April 2012 16:19, <mccarthyjh@aol.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>> If I may be so dense as to ask, what is a "witness statement?" >>>> >>>> Joan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> >>>> To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 5:51 am >>>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam >>>> O'Dwyer? >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Lisa, >>>> I just noticed the question on the top. >>>> Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom was my father. >>>> ---- Riobard. >>>> n 4 April 2012 00:28, Lisa OSullivan <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >>>> Riobard, >>>> >>>> I just received the Witness Statement of Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom, >>>> Co. >>>> Co., C/C >>>> Castletownbere Battalion, Cork 111 Brigade, IRA. >>>> >>>> He notes his uncle Liam who was a teacher in Eyries National School. >>>> >>>> Surely, you've already seen all these records, but if you'd like a >>>> copy >>> of >>>> this >>>> statement for yourself, please e-mail me and I will send it to you. >>>> >>>> For all, these names are listed as officers of the company. >>>> >>>> O/C John O'Driscoll >>>> 1st Lt. Dan Harrington (Causky) >>>> 2nd Lt. Robert O'Dwyer (brother) >>>> >>>> I just recieved about 10 witness statements from the Castletown >>>> Brigade, >>> I >>>> still >>>> need to look at and will post associated names as I review. >>>> >>>> >>>> Lisa O'Sullivan >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of he message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com >>>> ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >>>> body >>> of >>>> he message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>> in >>>> the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >

Bill M, any one paragraph of my simplified outline would have required a detailed essay and extensive footnotes to even begin to cover the subject referred to. You of course know that too! With respect this is neither the time or the place, but hopefully one of these days our trails will cross in an academic setting where we can explore our respective stands in appropriate subject matter in a no holds barred way. Sufficient to say that if the political establishment and those who were their bought and paid for academic mouthpieces did not try and preserve the outrageous discriminatory status quo in the now dismantled Orange Statelet and corrupt politics in The South, the Northern conflict would not have dragged on for almost three decades of killing, destruction and mayhem. Did Professor John A Murphy of Cork University History Dep. your old Irish stomping ground did not get his seat in the Irish Senate for ruthlessly holding up the mirror of history to the times that he was in ? It took a new young generation of my sons age such as Dr. O'Driscoll and Dr Fintan Lane to to lay out an unvarnished, no punches pulled version of Irish history as it happened instead of so many that cut the feet of history to suit whatever shoes of political expediency their paymasters of the day presented to them. That same difference was fought out in the States between those who supported Nor Aid and Irish Republicans and those who supported other funding designed to mop up these sources of financing and channel them into 'safe' pro Irish Establishment causes. That was also the way in Fenian times : when my relatives sheltered and helped get the US Former Union Commanding Officer of the Fenian Rising in Kerry free and out, other Catholic/Nationalists part of the status quo would have the turned the same man in. When you were moving in these privileged Cork circles and enjoying the benefits of your Fulbright scholarship, I was getting harassed by political police and getting regularly arrested for constantly exposing the kinds of corruption that have now made Ireland a world disgrace! The IRB in the 1940's brought over the sainted Fr.Flannigan of Boys Town fame to expose the Institutional Child Sexual Abuse here. Church and State combined to run him out of ireland....... and the Irish Establishment was able to call on it's compliant Greek Chorus from the so called Irish Lobby to rubbish him when he got home. We now know to our everlasting shame who was correct on that one. As was evident from my caveat, I gave an IRB overview of these events! 'Regardez le source' indeed! In my concluding caveat also my colors are there for all to see and judge what I have written in that context. Where or what are yours Bill ? Slan is beannacht, Donal O' On 4/6/12, Reg Volk <regvolk@shaw.ca> wrote: > Bill > > I think donal et al of us realize that it was the Fenians that were > precursors of the IRB. The date is semantics. > > They were certainly"interested" in the stability of Canada- BOTH Upper and > Lower! > > A realtive of mine seems to have been connected to the Mason and the > Fenians/IRB through Canada AND the U.S. These connections were quite > common, at least in Canada. > > Yes the Irish were"cannon fodder" in the civil war-BOTH Cathloic and > Protestant! > > I believe donal IS a realiable source. > > CHEERS-Reg-Canada. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Mulligan" <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> > To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam > O'Dwyer? > > >> As seems to be a pattern, not quite right historically. >> >> The IRB was founded during the American Civil War, not before it, and had >> no >> interest in the stability of the United States as a unitified country. >> Most >> Irish recruiting efforts were in the North where most Irish were Catholic >> and amenable. The IRB was concerned with a free Ireland and was >> overwhelmingly Catholic in its membership--as best we know. >> >> The Catholic Church in the US, clearly controlled by the 1860s by the >> Irish, >> was vehemently opposed to the Masons and all secret societies--a serious >> problem for the IRB--and any connection between the Church and the Masons >> of >> any stripe, or other secret societies, is highly doubtful. The AOH had >> problems with the hierarchy and its secret status despite its strongly >> Catholic base. >> >> There is no evidence of WASP establishment support for planned the IRB >> invasion of Canada. They could not renege on something they had never >> given. >> The WASP establishment, if such a thing was self-conscious, was very >> anti-Irish Catholic on the eve of and through the Civil War. One of >> Meagher's issues was the use of Irish Catholic troops for very high risk >> missions resulting in extremely high casualties. The Irish Catholics were >> cannon fodder in a more recent generation's tersm. >> >> As for the rest, regardez le source. >> >> Bill Mulligan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >> Behalf Of donal O'Siodhachain >> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 11:14 AM >> To: beara@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam >> O'Dwyer? >> >> Hi Folks : since the weekend of commemorations of the 1916 Easter >> Rebellion >> is here, it may be appropriate, with Bill's indulgence, to give a context >> and explanation for the Witness Statements referred to. >> >> Just pre the American Civil War Irish Americans formed an organization >> called The Irish Republican Brotherhood, usually referred to as the IRB. >> Most of those concerned were also members of The Ancient Irish and >> Scottish >> Masonic Order and had a lineage going back through the American War Of >> Independence to Irish and later, European Jacobite Traditions. >> >> The IRB had a number of objectives, first was to defend the unity and >> integrity of the American Republic, second, to get as many Irish Americans >> as possible trained in arms and military matters in The Northern and >> Confederate States, third, post the Civil War to form an Irish Republican >> Army in the US from Irish American war veterans, fourth, to use this >> trained >> and equipped army to invade Canada, fifth, to capture and hold Canada >> hostage to force Britain into a full and final settlement of the Irish >> question and sixth, to form an Independent Irish Republic of Catholic, >> Protestant and dissenter on the Island of Ireland. >> >> They got their trained manpower, the Irish Republican green uniformed army >> was formed and the invasion of Canada commenced. To the actual invasion >> the >> US government has appeared to be indifferent to all of this but they >> quickly >> intervened to play their own game, they stymied the invasion by preventing >> the ferrying across of artillery and other vital military equipment and >> they >> used the threat of the 'Fenian Invasion' to force Great Britain to settle >> a >> raft of outstanding issues between Britain and the US some going back to >> 1812. That done the East Coast WASP Establishment reneged on their >> promises >> and agreements and ordered the invasion force back to the US. >> >> After this stab in the back, US Officers were assigned to Ireland to >> foment >> a rebellion but the country was too demoralized after the Famine and the >> Rising of 67 was a failure. The IRB then began the hard slog of Nation >> Building and preparing the people for freedom. The Gaelic Athlete >> Association was formed to provide fitness training, The Gaelic League to >> preserve and promote Irish, The Land League to get tenant ownership and >> break landlords', The literary Revival to foster National pride and >> consciousness etc. Above however the IRB through it's Military Council, >> fomented and prepared for rebellion should the opportunity present. >> >> Two years into the First World War the judged that the time had come, >> Britain was bogged down on the Western Front, it had no troops to spare, >> most pro English of Military age were fighting in France and there were >> enough trained pro IRB Military Volunteers left in Ireland to carry out a >> rebellion. Guns were needed, the IRB had sourced 10,000 rifles, ammunition >> and other supplies from Germany and with these on their way to Ireland and >> due to arrive Holy Week, the Rising was on! >> >> Those IRB designated to meet with and bring in the arms ship took a wrong >> turn, drove off a pier in darkness and were drowned. Because of security >> and >> a close 'need to know' circle, there was no 'plan B' The ship uncontacted, >> steamed around, attracted attention and was intercepted by a British >> Warship. The crew scuttled it some miles off Kinsale. The IRB leaders >> decided to go ahead with the Rebellion and make a stand anyway, they knew >> their own life's were forfeit but they believed the Irish Nation would >> rouse >> and fight en mass if awakened. >> The Rising failed but as foreseen by the leaders their executions did >> arouse >> and galvanize the Irish Nation. >> >> In the 1918 General Election their faith in the Irish people was justified >> when twenty-eight of the thirty-two Irish Counties voted, most by large >> majorities for a Free Independent Irish Republic endorsing the IRB >> Rebellion >> of 1916. The First Dail elected TD ( >> Parliamentarians) became de jura the Government of the Irish Republic in >> accordance with the 86% vote of the Irish People that they had received >> and >> sat in Dublin in an Irish Assembly boycotting Westminster. An increasingly >> bloody Irish / English conflict followed up to the Truce in 1922. >> >> There were three reactions to the truce from Republicans who were by now >> the >> main players as the Old Nationalist Party had fell apart when most of its >> rank and file simply transferred to Sinn Fein. Pro Treaty Republicans >> accepted the Treaty as a 'stepping stone to freedom' Anti Treaty >> Republicans >> wanted to fight on for a full Republic and a Neutral Republicans refused >> to >> fight other Irishmen and women in pursuit of any political objectives. >> >> Britain armed and equipped the Pro Treaty new Free State, the latter >> recruited former Irish solders who had served with Britain in the First >> World War and they defeated the Anti Treaty Republicans in what became >> known >> in Republican parlance as the second defense of the Republic. The >> Republicans in 1923 unilaterally ceased organized field military >> operations >> and went home. The Free State continued however to round up Republicans by >> the hundreds and to try them for 'war crimes' >> Thousands were in prison and over seventy seven of mainly leaders of the >> Republican Movement were executed in captivity in circumstances that >> Republicans then and since consider to be quasi-judicial and illegal. >> >> In 1926 Republicans again split, the majority remained with Sinn Fein who >> boycotted the new Free State parliament but a sizable minority went with >> the >> new Fianna Fail organization led by Dev, Lemass, Aiken et al were for >> working the structures since there was no realistic alternative. In 1932 >> the >> Fianna Fail won the majority with the electoral support of Sinn Fein. >> Immediately the jails were opened and political prisoners, some with >> multiple life sentences were freed. The Free State army was considerably >> reduced, most of the ex British soldiers were discharged and ex-IRA Fianna >> Fail supporters were recruited to reflect the political reality. >> >> In 1939 with another World War looming and a threat of an English or >> German >> Invasion or both on the cards, the Free State Army was again considerably >> expanded and Old Comrades but their differences aside to face the common >> threat leading to more reconciliation. A Local Defense Force of part time >> soldiers was also former and many ex-IRA people again found themselves >> giving local leadership and appreciated. >> >> The Free State Army had it's own foundation lore and ethos prior to >> 1932 while the Republican accounts were ignored. Fianna Fail set up an >> impartial Military Commission to interview all the veterans of the war of >> Independence and the IRA and Ex IRA of the Civil War period. Their >> accounts >> were taken, referenced and then sealed until when most of those involved >> would have died so to have these accounts open to historians with >> reopening >> old wounds. These accounts have become available in recent years and are >> the >> 'Witness Statements' referred to. >> >> I should perhaps also conclude with a caveat : most of my extended family >> have been IRB, I have been an active Republican that fully supported the >> recent Northern Republicans Freedom Struggle since late teens, I was a >> member of The Sinn Fein National Exectuive during the seventies and I >> remain >> a supporter of the Republican Movement. Like most mainstream Republicans I >> also support the Good Friday agreement and for the present, the current >> political settlement. >> >> >> >> >> On 4/4/12, mccarthyjh@aol.com <mccarthyjh@aol.com> wrote: >>> Thanks. I thought it probably had some legal ramification that might >>> have been different in older days. Happpy Easter to you and Joan >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> >>> To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 2:52 pm >>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam >>> O'Dwyer? >>> >>> >>> Hi Joan, >>> Just in. I suppose that a "witness statement" would be an >>> xpression in words (or by a sign) of having seen something. >>> ---- Riobard. >>> On 4 April 2012 16:19, <mccarthyjh@aol.com> wrote: >>>> >>> If I may be so dense as to ask, what is a "witness statement?" >>> >>> Joan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> >>> To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 5:51 am >>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam >>> O'Dwyer? >>> >>> >>> Dear Lisa, >>> I just noticed the question on the top. >>> Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom was my father. >>> ---- Riobard. >>> n 4 April 2012 00:28, Lisa OSullivan <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: >>> > >>> >>> Riobard, >>> >>> I just received the Witness Statement of Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom, Co. >>> Co., C/C >>> Castletownbere Battalion, Cork 111 Brigade, IRA. >>> >>> He notes his uncle Liam who was a teacher in Eyries National School. >>> >>> Surely, you've already seen all these records, but if you'd like a copy >> of >>> this >>> statement for yourself, please e-mail me and I will send it to you. >>> >>> For all, these names are listed as officers of the company. >>> >>> O/C John O'Driscoll >>> 1st Lt. Dan Harrington (Causky) >>> 2nd Lt. Robert O'Dwyer (brother) >>> >>> I just recieved about 10 witness statements from the Castletown >>> Brigade, >> I >>> still >>> need to look at and will post associated names as I review. >>> >>> >>> Lisa O'Sullivan >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of he message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com >>> ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of >>> he message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

Now that Bill has responded to Donal, I'm asking both gentlemen to take their discussion off-line. I think we've gotten enough information for interested parties to pursue their own study, and I prefer to keep the discussion more closely focused on Beara issues. Bill Gawne Bill Mulligan <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> writes: > Donal, > > A bit personal, but let's go. Granted that you simplified complex events, > but simplifying requires choices--conscious choices one can be held > accountable for. [...]

Dear Bill, I'm sure all the members of the Beara mailing list community join me in sending you our condolences at this difficult time. May the memory of your father be a blessing to you and all your family now and in the future. Bill Gawne Bill Mulligan <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> writes: > As many of you know, I have no Beara roots myself, but an interest in the > experience of Beara emigrants in the US. > > > > Please remember my father, William H. Mulligan, Sr., in your prayers. He > died on March 29th two weeks short of his 89th birthday and was buried > Monday April 2. He was proud of his Irish roots and passed that pride on to > me.

No problem. Bill -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gawne Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 10:12 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Response to Donal Now that Bill has responded to Donal, I'm asking both gentlemen to take their discussion off-line. I think we've gotten enough information for interested parties to pursue their own study, and I prefer to keep the discussion more closely focused on Beara issues. Bill Gawne Bill Mulligan <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> writes: > Donal, > > A bit personal, but let's go. Granted that you simplified complex > events, but simplifying requires choices--conscious choices one can be > held accountable for. [...] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

An odd response. Bill -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of donal O'Siodhachain Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 10:15 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Request Sad footnote from yesterday : Barney McKenna the much lover and skilled tenor banjo player with the Dubliners Folk Group died this morning while having a cup of tea with a friend at home prior to going away to his country retreat for the weekend. Just yesterday he gave his last public performance when he led a group of musicians in a Trad mass for an RTE floor manager friend. His final rendering was that beautiful old air 'Ar Eireann ni nosan ce hi' ( For Ireland I will not tell her name ) and it brought a prolonged, standing ovation. A lovely humorous man of quirky sayings ( some weeks back he joined the group he was with and imparted the following 'Blarneyism' gem " Do ye know that Ireland's oldest woman is still alive?" ) he will be sadly missed. Siochan De ar a h-Anam uasal! Slan is beannacht, Donal O On 4/6/12, pat oleary <poleary42@yahoo.com> wrote: > Very sorry for the loss of your father. > > --- On Thu, 4/5/12, Bill Mulligan <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> wrote: > > > From: Bill Mulligan <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> > Subject: [BEARA] Request > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, April 5, 2012, 7:02 PM > > > As many of you know, I have no Beara roots myself, but an interest in > the experience of Beara emigrants in the US. > > > > Please remember my father, William H. Mulligan, Sr.,  in your prayers.  > He died on March 29th two weeks short of his 89th birthday and was > buried Monday April 2.  He was proud of his Irish roots and passed > that pride on to me. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am not sure why you sent this. I do not see Wikipedia as a source beyond question--there are many, many problems with Wikipedia. The IRB and the Fenians are separable groups. The idea of bartering Canada for Ireland hardly qualifies as a long term strategy--or serious "interest" let alone a rational approach to the status of Ireland. We'll have to agree to disagree. Bill -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Reg Volk Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:26 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam O'Dwyer? Bill The intro to this site clearly indicates that BOTH the IRB and the American Fenians used the term "Fenians":. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Republican_Brotherhood The Fenians were a secret society quite similar to the Freemasons. Yes, we understand that The Fenians had to CAPTURE Canada in order to barter it for Ireland, with the English. I guess their capturing might be construed as "some interest"!! I will let donal speak for his "biases". Reg-Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Mulligan" <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam O'Dwyer? > Sorry to be disagreeable. > > Details matter, the Fenians and the IRB are not exactly the same, > especially in Irish history where religion is such an important > variable. ALSO a single relative who deviates from the general pattern > does not mean the general pattern is wrong. > > The Fenians who invaded Canada had absolutely no long term interest in > Canada, their focus was on Ireland. No one can dispute that. > > The use of the Irish (mostly Catholics) as cannon fodder in the US > Civil War was much more common in the North than in the South because > in the North Irish Catholics were much more definitively other than > the largely Protestant Irish element in the Confederate army was in > the South. I guess you could say that everyone was cannon fodder in > the US Civil War on both sides, but that would not be true And would > obscure the important points. > > I won't comment on Donal personally as a source, except to say he has > clearly stated biases. > > Bill Mulligan > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Reg Volk > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 7:32 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam > O'Dwyer? > > Bill > > I think donal et al of us realize that it was the Fenians that were > precursors of the IRB. The date is semantics. > > They were certainly"interested" in the stability of Canada- BOTH Upper > and Lower! > > A realtive of mine seems to have been connected to the Mason and the > Fenians/IRB through Canada AND the U.S. These connections were quite > common, at least in Canada. > > Yes the Irish were"cannon fodder" in the civil war-BOTH Cathloic and > Protestant! > > I believe donal IS a realiable source. > > CHEERS-Reg-Canada. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Mulligan" <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> > To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam > O'Dwyer? > > >> As seems to be a pattern, not quite right historically. >> >> The IRB was founded during the American Civil War, not before it, and >> had no interest in the stability of the United States as a unitified >> country. >> Most >> Irish recruiting efforts were in the North where most Irish were >> Catholic and amenable. The IRB was concerned with a free Ireland and >> was overwhelmingly Catholic in its membership--as best we know. >> >> The Catholic Church in the US, clearly controlled by the 1860s by the >> Irish, was vehemently opposed to the Masons and all secret >> societies--a serious problem for the IRB--and any connection between >> the Church and the Masons of any stripe, or other secret societies, >> is highly doubtful. The AOH had problems with the hierarchy and its >> secret status despite its strongly Catholic base. >> >> There is no evidence of WASP establishment support for planned the >> IRB invasion of Canada. They could not renege on something they had >> never given. >> The WASP establishment, if such a thing was self-conscious, was very >> anti-Irish Catholic on the eve of and through the Civil War. One of >> Meagher's issues was the use of Irish Catholic troops for very high >> risk missions resulting in extremely high casualties. The Irish >> Catholics were cannon fodder in a more recent generation's tersm. >> >> As for the rest, regardez le source. >> >> Bill Mulligan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of donal O'Siodhachain >> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 11:14 AM >> To: beara@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam >> O'Dwyer? >> >> Hi Folks : since the weekend of commemorations of the 1916 Easter >> Rebellion is here, it may be appropriate, with Bill's indulgence, to >> give a context and explanation for the Witness Statements referred to. >> >> Just pre the American Civil War Irish Americans formed an >> organization called The Irish Republican Brotherhood, usually referred to as the IRB. >> Most of those concerned were also members of The Ancient Irish and >> Scottish Masonic Order and had a lineage going back through the >> American War Of Independence to Irish and later, European Jacobite >> Traditions. >> >> The IRB had a number of objectives, first was to defend the unity and >> integrity of the American Republic, second, to get as many Irish >> Americans as possible trained in arms and military matters in The >> Northern and Confederate States, third, post the Civil War to form an >> Irish Republican Army in the US from Irish American war veterans, >> fourth, to use this trained and equipped army to invade Canada, >> fifth, to capture and hold Canada hostage to force Britain into a >> full and final settlement of the Irish question and sixth, to form an >> Independent Irish Republic of Catholic, Protestant and dissenter on >> the Island of Ireland. >> >> They got their trained manpower, the Irish Republican green uniformed >> army was formed and the invasion of Canada commenced. To the actual >> invasion the US government has appeared to be indifferent to all of >> this but they quickly intervened to play their own game, they stymied >> the invasion by preventing the ferrying across of artillery and other >> vital military equipment and they used the threat of the 'Fenian >> Invasion' to force Great Britain to settle a raft of outstanding >> issues between Britain and the US some going back to 1812. That done >> the East Coast WASP Establishment reneged on their promises and >> agreements and ordered the invasion force back to the US. >> >> After this stab in the back, US Officers were assigned to Ireland to >> foment a rebellion but the country was too demoralized after the >> Famine and the Rising of 67 was a failure. The IRB then began the >> hard slog of Nation Building and preparing the people for freedom. >> The Gaelic Athlete Association was formed to provide fitness >> training, The Gaelic League to preserve and promote Irish, The Land >> League to get tenant ownership and break landlords', The literary >> Revival to foster National pride and consciousness etc. Above however >> the IRB through it's Military Council, fomented and prepared for >> rebellion should the opportunity present. >> >> Two years into the First World War the judged that the time had come, >> Britain was bogged down on the Western Front, it had no troops to >> spare, most pro English of Military age were fighting in France and >> there were enough trained pro IRB Military Volunteers left in Ireland >> to carry out a rebellion. Guns were needed, the IRB had sourced >> 10,000 rifles, ammunition and other supplies from Germany and with >> these on their way to Ireland and due to arrive Holy Week, the Rising was on! >> >> Those IRB designated to meet with and bring in the arms ship took a >> wrong turn, drove off a pier in darkness and were drowned. Because of >> security and a close 'need to know' circle, there was no 'plan B' The >> ship uncontacted, steamed around, attracted attention and was >> intercepted by a British Warship. The crew scuttled it some miles off >> Kinsale. The IRB leaders decided to go ahead with the Rebellion and >> make a stand anyway, they knew their own life's were forfeit but they >> believed the Irish Nation would rouse and fight en mass if awakened. >> The Rising failed but as foreseen by the leaders their executions did >> arouse and galvanize the Irish Nation. >> >> In the 1918 General Election their faith in the Irish people was >> justified when twenty-eight of the thirty-two Irish Counties voted, >> most by large majorities for a Free Independent Irish Republic >> endorsing the IRB Rebellion of 1916. The First Dail elected TD ( >> Parliamentarians) became de jura the Government of the Irish Republic >> in accordance with the 86% vote of the Irish People that they had >> received and sat in Dublin in an Irish Assembly boycotting >> Westminster. An increasingly bloody Irish / English conflict followed >> up to the Truce in 1922. >> >> There were three reactions to the truce from Republicans who were by >> now the main players as the Old Nationalist Party had fell apart when >> most of its rank and file simply transferred to Sinn Fein. Pro Treaty >> Republicans accepted the Treaty as a 'stepping stone to freedom' Anti >> Treaty Republicans wanted to fight on for a full Republic and a >> Neutral Republicans refused to fight other Irishmen and women in >> pursuit of any political objectives. >> >> Britain armed and equipped the Pro Treaty new Free State, the latter >> recruited former Irish solders who had served with Britain in the >> First World War and they defeated the Anti Treaty Republicans in what >> became known in Republican parlance as the second defense of the >> Republic. The Republicans in 1923 unilaterally ceased organized field >> military operations and went home. The Free State continued however >> to round up Republicans by the hundreds and to try them for 'war crimes' >> Thousands were in prison and over seventy seven of mainly leaders of >> the Republican Movement were executed in captivity in circumstances >> that Republicans then and since consider to be quasi-judicial and >> illegal. >> >> In 1926 Republicans again split, the majority remained with Sinn Fein >> who boycotted the new Free State parliament but a sizable minority >> went with the new Fianna Fail organization led by Dev, Lemass, Aiken >> et al were for working the structures since there was no realistic >> alternative. In 1932 the Fianna Fail won the majority with the >> electoral support of Sinn Fein. >> Immediately the jails were opened and political prisoners, some with >> multiple life sentences were freed. The Free State army was >> considerably reduced, most of the ex British soldiers were discharged >> and ex-IRA Fianna Fail supporters were recruited to reflect the >> political > reality. >> >> In 1939 with another World War looming and a threat of an English or >> German Invasion or both on the cards, the Free State Army was again >> considerably expanded and Old Comrades but their differences aside to >> face the common threat leading to more reconciliation. A Local >> Defense Force of part time soldiers was also former and many ex-IRA >> people again found themselves giving local leadership and appreciated. >> >> The Free State Army had it's own foundation lore and ethos prior to >> 1932 while the Republican accounts were ignored. Fianna Fail set up >> an impartial Military Commission to interview all the veterans of the >> war of Independence and the IRA and Ex IRA of the Civil War period. >> Their accounts were taken, referenced and then sealed until when >> most of those involved would have died so to have these accounts open >> to historians with reopening old wounds. These accounts have become >> available in recent years and are the 'Witness Statements' referred >> to. >> >> I should perhaps also conclude with a caveat : most of my extended >> family have been IRB, I have been an active Republican that fully >> supported the recent Northern Republicans Freedom Struggle since late >> teens, I was a member of The Sinn Fein National Exectuive during the >> seventies and I remain a supporter of the Republican Movement. Like >> most mainstream Republicans I also support the Good Friday agreement >> and for the present, the current political settlement. >> >> >> >> >> On 4/4/12, mccarthyjh@aol.com <mccarthyjh@aol.com> wrote: >>> Thanks. I thought it probably had some legal ramification that >>> might have been different in older days. Happpy Easter to you and >>> Joan >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> >>> To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 2:52 pm >>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam >>> O'Dwyer? >>> >>> >>> Hi Joan, >>> Just in. I suppose that a "witness statement" would be an >>> xpression in words (or by a sign) of having seen something. >>> ---- Riobard. >>> On 4 April 2012 16:19, <mccarthyjh@aol.com> wrote: >>>> >>> If I may be so dense as to ask, what is a "witness statement?" >>> >>> Joan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> >>> To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 5:51 am >>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to >>> Liam O'Dwyer? >>> >>> >>> Dear Lisa, >>> I just noticed the question on the top. >>> Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom was my father. >>> ---- Riobard. >>> n 4 April 2012 00:28, Lisa OSullivan <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: >>> > >>> >>> Riobard, >>> >>> I just received the Witness Statement of Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom, Co. >>> Co., C/C >>> Castletownbere Battalion, Cork 111 Brigade, IRA. >>> >>> He notes his uncle Liam who was a teacher in Eyries National School. >>> >>> Surely, you've already seen all these records, but if you'd like a >>> copy >> of >>> this >>> statement for yourself, please e-mail me and I will send it to you. >>> >>> For all, these names are listed as officers of the company. >>> >>> O/C John O'Driscoll >>> 1st Lt. Dan Harrington (Causky) >>> 2nd Lt. Robert O'Dwyer (brother) >>> >>> I just recieved about 10 witness statements from the Castletown >>> Brigade, >> I >>> still >>> need to look at and will post associated names as I review. >>> >>> >>> Lisa O'Sullivan >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of he message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body >> of >>> he message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >> in >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Donal, A bit personal, but let's go. Granted that you simplified complex events, but simplifying requires choices--conscious choices one can be held accountable for. I never met John A. Murphy to my knowledge. I have heard of him and his work, of course. My education was entirely in the US and I have never, to my knowledge, moved in "privileged Cork circles." I am not sure where I would find such circles. Yes, I had a Fulbright in UCC in 2009--hardly privileged, trust me. No elite person from the state, the city, the county, or the university showed any interest in me or what I was doing. I did give public lectures in Cork, Limerick, Dublin, Rennes, France and Munster, Germany) and another in Allihies then and again when I was external reader on a PhD at UCC this fall--I missed you at any of them btw--all were well received as far as I could tell. Maybe someone who heard one of my lectures will chime in on the quality of my work and my ability to present it--since you want to diminish both. I also like to think that the quality of my published work earned the Fulbright and other recognitions I have received, but if you think not, that's OK. I am certainly not afraid of meeting you in an academic setting, or any other, no holds barred, to discuss Irish history. My colors are those of a historian who looks at the sources and interprets them as he sees them without unacknowledged preconceptions. I have not, and do not, move in Irish, or other political, circles. I am an academic and content to be such. Outside the community of historians of the Irish Diaspora I am sure few know me or my work--I am happy with that because I want to speak to my students, my fellow scholars, and those whose interests intersect with mine. Bill Mulligan -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of donal O'Siodhachain Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:10 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam O'Dwyer? Bill M, any one paragraph of my simplified outline would have required a detailed essay and extensive footnotes to even begin to cover the subject referred to. You of course know that too! With respect this is neither the time or the place, but hopefully one of these days our trails will cross in an academic setting where we can explore our respective stands in appropriate subject matter in a no holds barred way. Sufficient to say that if the political establishment and those who were their bought and paid for academic mouthpieces did not try and preserve the outrageous discriminatory status quo in the now dismantled Orange Statelet and corrupt politics in The South, the Northern conflict would not have dragged on for almost three decades of killing, destruction and mayhem. Did Professor John A Murphy of Cork University History Dep. your old Irish stomping ground did not get his seat in the Irish Senate for ruthlessly holding up the mirror of history to the times that he was in ? It took a new young generation of my sons age such as Dr. O'Driscoll and Dr Fintan Lane to lay out an unvarnished, no punches pulled version of Irish history as it happened instead of so many that cut the feet of history to suit whatever shoes of political expediency their paymasters of the day presented to them. That same difference was fought out in the States between those who supported Nor Aid and Irish Republicans and those who supported other funding designed to mop up these sources of financing and channel them into 'safe' pro Irish Establishment causes. That was also the way in Fenian times : when my relatives sheltered and helped get the US Former Union Commanding Officer of the Fenian Rising in Kerry free and out, other Catholic/Nationalists part of the status quo would have the turned the same man in. When you were moving in these Any connection with the Masons of any stripe and enjoying the benefits of your Fulbright scholarship, I was getting harassed by political police and getting regularly arrested for constantly exposing the kinds of corruption that have now made Ireland a world disgrace! The IRB in the 1940's brought over the sainted Fr.Flannigan of Boys Town fame to expose the Institutional Child Sexual Abuse here. Church and State combined to run him out of ireland....... and the Irish Establishment was able to call on it's compliant Greek Chorus from the so called Irish Lobby to rubbish him when he got home. We now know to our everlasting shame who was correct on that one. As was evident from my caveat, I gave an IRB overview of these events! 'Regardez le source' indeed! In my concluding caveat also my colors are there for all to see and judge what I have written in that context. Where or what are yours Bill ? Slan is beannacht, Donal O' On 4/6/12, Reg Volk <regvolk@shaw.ca> wrote: > Bill > > I think donal et al of us realize that it was the Fenians that were > precursors of the IRB. The date is semantics. > > They were certainly"interested" in the stability of Canada- BOTH Upper > and Lower! > > A realtive of mine seems to have been connected to the Mason and the > Fenians/IRB through Canada AND the U.S. These connections were quite > common, at least in Canada. > > Yes the Irish were"cannon fodder" in the civil war-BOTH Cathloic and > Protestant! > > I believe donal IS a realiable source. > > CHEERS-Reg-Canada. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Mulligan" <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> > To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam > O'Dwyer? > > >> As seems to be a pattern, not quite right historically. >> >> The IRB was founded during the American Civil War, not before it, and >> had no interest in the stability of the United States as a unitified >> country. >> Most >> Irish recruiting efforts were in the North where most Irish were >> Catholic and amenable. The IRB was concerned with a free Ireland and >> was overwhelmingly Catholic in its membership--as best we know. >> >> The Catholic Church in the US, clearly controlled by the 1860s by the >> Irish, was vehemently opposed to the Masons and all secret >> societies--a serious problem for the IRB--and any connection between >> the Church and the Masons of any stripe, or other secret societies, >> is highly doubtful. The AOH had problems with the hierarchy and its >> secret status despite its strongly Catholic base. >> >> There is no evidence of WASP establishment support for planned the >> IRB invasion of Canada. They could not renege on something they had >> never given. >> The WASP establishment, if such a thing was self-conscious, was very >> anti-Irish Catholic on the eve of and through the Civil War. One of >> Meagher's issues was the use of Irish Catholic troops for very high >> risk missions resulting in extremely high casualties. The Irish >> Catholics were cannon fodder in a more recent generation's tersm. >> >> As for the rest, regardez le source. >> >> Bill Mulligan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of donal O'Siodhachain >> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 11:14 AM >> To: beara@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam >> O'Dwyer? >> >> Hi Folks : since the weekend of commemorations of the 1916 Easter >> Rebellion is here, it may be appropriate, with Bill's indulgence, to >> give a context and explanation for the Witness Statements referred >> to. >> >> Just pre the American Civil War Irish Americans formed an >> organization called The Irish Republican Brotherhood, usually referred to as the IRB. >> Most of those concerned were also members of The Ancient Irish and >> Scottish Masonic Order and had a lineage going back through the >> American War Of Independence to Irish and later, European Jacobite >> Traditions. >> >> The IRB had a number of objectives, first was to defend the unity and >> integrity of the American Republic, second, to get as many Irish >> Americans as possible trained in arms and military matters in The >> Northern and Confederate States, third, post the Civil War to form an >> Irish Republican Army in the US from Irish American war veterans, >> fourth, to use this trained and equipped army to invade Canada, >> fifth, to capture and hold Canada hostage to force Britain into a >> full and final settlement of the Irish question and sixth, to form an >> Independent Irish Republic of Catholic, Protestant and dissenter on >> the Island of Ireland. >> >> They got their trained manpower, the Irish Republican green uniformed >> army was formed and the invasion of Canada commenced. To the actual >> invasion the US government has appeared to be indifferent to all of >> this but they quickly intervened to play their own game, they stymied >> the invasion by preventing the ferrying across of artillery and other >> vital military equipment and they used the threat of the 'Fenian >> Invasion' to force Great Britain to settle a raft of outstanding >> issues between Britain and the US some going back to 1812. That done >> the East Coast WASP Establishment reneged on their promises and >> agreements and ordered the invasion force back to the US. >> >> After this stab in the back, US Officers were assigned to Ireland to >> foment a rebellion but the country was too demoralized after the >> Famine and the Rising of 67 was a failure. The IRB then began the >> hard slog of Nation Building and preparing the people for freedom. >> The Gaelic Athlete Association was formed to provide fitness >> training, The Gaelic League to preserve and promote Irish, The Land >> League to get tenant ownership and break landlords', The literary >> Revival to foster National pride and consciousness etc. Above however >> the IRB through it's Military Council, fomented and prepared for >> rebellion should the opportunity present. >> >> Two years into the First World War the judged that the time had come, >> Britain was bogged down on the Western Front, it had no troops to >> spare, most pro English of Military age were fighting in France and >> there were enough trained pro IRB Military Volunteers left in Ireland >> to carry out a rebellion. Guns were needed, the IRB had sourced >> 10,000 rifles, ammunition and other supplies from Germany and with >> these on their way to Ireland and due to arrive Holy Week, the Rising was on! >> >> Those IRB designated to meet with and bring in the arms ship took a >> wrong turn, drove off a pier in darkness and were drowned. Because of >> security and a close 'need to know' circle, there was no 'plan B' The >> ship uncontacted, steamed around, attracted attention and was >> intercepted by a British Warship. The crew scuttled it some miles off >> Kinsale. The IRB leaders decided to go ahead with the Rebellion and >> make a stand anyway, they knew their own life's were forfeit but they >> believed the Irish Nation would rouse and fight en mass if awakened. >> The Rising failed but as foreseen by the leaders their executions did >> arouse and galvanize the Irish Nation. >> >> In the 1918 General Election their faith in the Irish people was >> justified when twenty-eight of the thirty-two Irish Counties voted, >> most by large majorities for a Free Independent Irish Republic >> endorsing the IRB Rebellion of 1916. The First Dail elected TD ( >> Parliamentarians) became de jura the Government of the Irish Republic >> in accordance with the 86% vote of the Irish People that they had >> received and sat in Dublin in an Irish Assembly boycotting >> Westminster. An increasingly bloody Irish / English conflict followed >> up to the Truce in 1922. >> >> There were three reactions to the truce from Republicans who were by >> now the main players as the Old Nationalist Party had fell apart when >> most of its rank and file simply transferred to Sinn Fein. Pro Treaty >> Republicans accepted the Treaty as a 'stepping stone to freedom' Anti >> Treaty Republicans wanted to fight on for a full Republic and a >> Neutral Republicans refused to fight other Irishmen and women in >> pursuit of any political objectives. >> >> Britain armed and equipped the Pro Treaty new Free State, the latter >> recruited former Irish solders who had served with Britain in the >> First World War and they defeated the Anti Treaty Republicans in what >> became known in Republican parlance as the second defense of the >> Republic. The Republicans in 1923 unilaterally ceased organized field >> military operations and went home. The Free State continued however >> to round up Republicans by the hundreds and to try them for 'war >> crimes' >> Thousands were in prison and over seventy seven of mainly leaders of >> the Republican Movement were executed in captivity in circumstances >> that Republicans then and since consider to be quasi-judicial and illegal. >> >> In 1926 Republicans again split, the majority remained with Sinn Fein >> who boycotted the new Free State parliament but a sizable minority >> went with the new Fianna Fail organization led by Dev, Lemass, Aiken >> et al were for working the structures since there was no realistic >> alternative. In 1932 the Fianna Fail won the majority with the >> electoral support of Sinn Fein. >> Immediately the jails were opened and political prisoners, some with >> multiple life sentences were freed. The Free State army was >> considerably reduced, most of the ex British soldiers were discharged >> and ex-IRA Fianna Fail supporters were recruited to reflect the political reality. >> >> In 1939 with another World War looming and a threat of an English or >> German Invasion or both on the cards, the Free State Army was again >> considerably expanded and Old Comrades but their differences aside to >> face the common threat leading to more reconciliation. A Local >> Defense Force of part time soldiers was also former and many ex-IRA >> people again found themselves giving local leadership and >> appreciated. >> >> The Free State Army had it's own foundation lore and ethos prior to >> 1932 while the Republican accounts were ignored. Fianna Fail set up >> an impartial Military Commission to interview all the veterans of the >> war of Independence and the IRA and Ex IRA of the Civil War period. >> Their accounts were taken, referenced and then sealed until when >> most of those involved would have died so to have these accounts open >> to historians with reopening old wounds. These accounts have become >> available in recent years and are the 'Witness Statements' referred >> to. >> >> I should perhaps also conclude with a caveat : most of my extended >> family have been IRB, I have been an active Republican that fully >> supported the recent Northern Republicans Freedom Struggle since late >> teens, I was a member of The Sinn Fein National Exectuive during the >> seventies and I remain a supporter of the Republican Movement. Like >> most mainstream Republicans I also support the Good Friday agreement >> and for the present, the current political settlement. >> >> >> >> >> On 4/4/12, mccarthyjh@aol.com <mccarthyjh@aol.com> wrote: >>> Thanks. I thought it probably had some legal ramification that >>> might have been different in older days. Happpy Easter to you and >>> Joan >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> >>> To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 2:52 pm >>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam >>> O'Dwyer? >>> >>> >>> Hi Joan, >>> Just in. I suppose that a "witness statement" would be an >>> xpression in words (or by a sign) of having seen something. >>> ---- Riobard. >>> On 4 April 2012 16:19, <mccarthyjh@aol.com> wrote: >>>> >>> If I may be so dense as to ask, what is a "witness statement?" >>> >>> Joan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> >>> To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 5:51 am >>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to >>> Liam O'Dwyer? >>> >>> >>> Dear Lisa, >>> I just noticed the question on the top. >>> Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom was my father. >>> ---- Riobard. >>> n 4 April 2012 00:28, Lisa OSullivan <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: >>> > >>> >>> Riobard, >>> >>> I just received the Witness Statement of Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom, Co. >>> Co., C/C >>> Castletownbere Battalion, Cork 111 Brigade, IRA. >>> >>> He notes his uncle Liam who was a teacher in Eyries National School. >>> >>> Surely, you've already seen all these records, but if you'd like a >>> copy >> of >>> this >>> statement for yourself, please e-mail me and I will send it to you. >>> >>> For all, these names are listed as officers of the company. >>> >>> O/C John O'Driscoll >>> 1st Lt. Dan Harrington (Causky) >>> 2nd Lt. Robert O'Dwyer (brother) >>> >>> I just recieved about 10 witness statements from the Castletown >>> Brigade, >> I >>> still >>> need to look at and will post associated names as I review. >>> >>> >>> Lisa O'Sullivan >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of he message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body >> of >>> he message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >> in >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Bill, I am sorry for the loss of your father. I will pray for him tonight at Holy Thursday Adoration. You too. Ginny H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Mulligan" <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 4:02 PM Subject: [BEARA] Request > As many of you know, I have no Beara roots myself, but an interest in the > experience of Beara emigrants in the US. > > > > Please remember my father, William H. Mulligan, Sr., in your prayers. He > died on March 29th two weeks short of his 89th birthday and was buried > Monday April 2. He was proud of his Irish roots and passed that pride on > to > me. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Sorry to be disagreeable. Details matter, the Fenians and the IRB are not exactly the same, especially in Irish history where religion is such an important variable. ALSO a single relative who deviates from the general pattern does not mean the general pattern is wrong. The Fenians who invaded Canada had absolutely no long term interest in Canada, their focus was on Ireland. No one can dispute that. The use of the Irish (mostly Catholics) as cannon fodder in the US Civil War was much more common in the North than in the South because in the North Irish Catholics were much more definitively other than the largely Protestant Irish element in the Confederate army was in the South. I guess you could say that everyone was cannon fodder in the US Civil War on both sides, but that would not be true And would obscure the important points. I won't comment on Donal personally as a source, except to say he has clearly stated biases. Bill Mulligan -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Reg Volk Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 7:32 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam O'Dwyer? Bill I think donal et al of us realize that it was the Fenians that were precursors of the IRB. The date is semantics. They were certainly"interested" in the stability of Canada- BOTH Upper and Lower! A realtive of mine seems to have been connected to the Mason and the Fenians/IRB through Canada AND the U.S. These connections were quite common, at least in Canada. Yes the Irish were"cannon fodder" in the civil war-BOTH Cathloic and Protestant! I believe donal IS a realiable source. CHEERS-Reg-Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Mulligan" <billmulligan@murray-ky.net> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam O'Dwyer? > As seems to be a pattern, not quite right historically. > > The IRB was founded during the American Civil War, not before it, and > had no interest in the stability of the United States as a unitified > country. > Most > Irish recruiting efforts were in the North where most Irish were > Catholic and amenable. The IRB was concerned with a free Ireland and > was overwhelmingly Catholic in its membership--as best we know. > > The Catholic Church in the US, clearly controlled by the 1860s by the > Irish, was vehemently opposed to the Masons and all secret > societies--a serious problem for the IRB--and any connection between > the Church and the Masons of any stripe, or other secret societies, is > highly doubtful. The AOH had problems with the hierarchy and its > secret status despite its strongly Catholic base. > > There is no evidence of WASP establishment support for planned the IRB > invasion of Canada. They could not renege on something they had never > given. > The WASP establishment, if such a thing was self-conscious, was very > anti-Irish Catholic on the eve of and through the Civil War. One of > Meagher's issues was the use of Irish Catholic troops for very high > risk missions resulting in extremely high casualties. The Irish > Catholics were cannon fodder in a more recent generation's tersm. > > As for the rest, regardez le source. > > Bill Mulligan > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of donal O'Siodhachain > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 11:14 AM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam > O'Dwyer? > > Hi Folks : since the weekend of commemorations of the 1916 Easter > Rebellion is here, it may be appropriate, with Bill's indulgence, to > give a context and explanation for the Witness Statements referred to. > > Just pre the American Civil War Irish Americans formed an organization > called The Irish Republican Brotherhood, usually referred to as the IRB. > Most of those concerned were also members of The Ancient Irish and > Scottish Masonic Order and had a lineage going back through the > American War Of Independence to Irish and later, European Jacobite > Traditions. > > The IRB had a number of objectives, first was to defend the unity and > integrity of the American Republic, second, to get as many Irish > Americans as possible trained in arms and military matters in The > Northern and Confederate States, third, post the Civil War to form an > Irish Republican Army in the US from Irish American war veterans, > fourth, to use this trained and equipped army to invade Canada, fifth, > to capture and hold Canada hostage to force Britain into a full and > final settlement of the Irish question and sixth, to form an > Independent Irish Republic of Catholic, Protestant and dissenter on > the Island of Ireland. > > They got their trained manpower, the Irish Republican green uniformed > army was formed and the invasion of Canada commenced. To the actual > invasion the US government has appeared to be indifferent to all of > this but they quickly intervened to play their own game, they stymied > the invasion by preventing the ferrying across of artillery and other > vital military equipment and they used the threat of the 'Fenian > Invasion' to force Great Britain to settle a raft of outstanding > issues between Britain and the US some going back to 1812. That done > the East Coast WASP Establishment reneged on their promises and > agreements and ordered the invasion force back to the US. > > After this stab in the back, US Officers were assigned to Ireland to > foment a rebellion but the country was too demoralized after the > Famine and the Rising of 67 was a failure. The IRB then began the hard > slog of Nation Building and preparing the people for freedom. The > Gaelic Athlete Association was formed to provide fitness training, The > Gaelic League to preserve and promote Irish, The Land League to get > tenant ownership and break landlords', The literary Revival to foster > National pride and consciousness etc. Above however the IRB through > it's Military Council, fomented and prepared for rebellion should the > opportunity present. > > Two years into the First World War the judged that the time had come, > Britain was bogged down on the Western Front, it had no troops to > spare, most pro English of Military age were fighting in France and > there were enough trained pro IRB Military Volunteers left in Ireland > to carry out a rebellion. Guns were needed, the IRB had sourced 10,000 > rifles, ammunition and other supplies from Germany and with these on > their way to Ireland and due to arrive Holy Week, the Rising was on! > > Those IRB designated to meet with and bring in the arms ship took a > wrong turn, drove off a pier in darkness and were drowned. Because of > security and a close 'need to know' circle, there was no 'plan B' The > ship uncontacted, steamed around, attracted attention and was > intercepted by a British Warship. The crew scuttled it some miles off > Kinsale. The IRB leaders decided to go ahead with the Rebellion and > make a stand anyway, they knew their own life's were forfeit but they > believed the Irish Nation would rouse and fight en mass if awakened. > The Rising failed but as foreseen by the leaders their executions did > arouse and galvanize the Irish Nation. > > In the 1918 General Election their faith in the Irish people was > justified when twenty-eight of the thirty-two Irish Counties voted, > most by large majorities for a Free Independent Irish Republic > endorsing the IRB Rebellion of 1916. The First Dail elected TD ( > Parliamentarians) became de jura the Government of the Irish Republic > in accordance with the 86% vote of the Irish People that they had > received and sat in Dublin in an Irish Assembly boycotting > Westminster. An increasingly bloody Irish / English conflict followed > up to the Truce in 1922. > > There were three reactions to the truce from Republicans who were by > now the main players as the Old Nationalist Party had fell apart when > most of its rank and file simply transferred to Sinn Fein. Pro Treaty > Republicans accepted the Treaty as a 'stepping stone to freedom' Anti > Treaty Republicans wanted to fight on for a full Republic and a > Neutral Republicans refused to fight other Irishmen and women in > pursuit of any political objectives. > > Britain armed and equipped the Pro Treaty new Free State, the latter > recruited former Irish solders who had served with Britain in the > First World War and they defeated the Anti Treaty Republicans in what > became known in Republican parlance as the second defense of the > Republic. The Republicans in 1923 unilaterally ceased organized field > military operations and went home. The Free State continued however to > round up Republicans by the hundreds and to try them for 'war crimes' > Thousands were in prison and over seventy seven of mainly leaders of > the Republican Movement were executed in captivity in circumstances > that Republicans then and since consider to be quasi-judicial and illegal. > > In 1926 Republicans again split, the majority remained with Sinn Fein > who boycotted the new Free State parliament but a sizable minority > went with the new Fianna Fail organization led by Dev, Lemass, Aiken > et al were for working the structures since there was no realistic > alternative. In 1932 the Fianna Fail won the majority with the > electoral support of Sinn Fein. > Immediately the jails were opened and political prisoners, some with > multiple life sentences were freed. The Free State army was > considerably reduced, most of the ex British soldiers were discharged > and ex-IRA Fianna Fail supporters were recruited to reflect the political reality. > > In 1939 with another World War looming and a threat of an English or > German Invasion or both on the cards, the Free State Army was again > considerably expanded and Old Comrades but their differences aside to > face the common threat leading to more reconciliation. A Local Defense > Force of part time soldiers was also former and many ex-IRA people > again found themselves giving local leadership and appreciated. > > The Free State Army had it's own foundation lore and ethos prior to > 1932 while the Republican accounts were ignored. Fianna Fail set up an > impartial Military Commission to interview all the veterans of the war > of Independence and the IRA and Ex IRA of the Civil War period. Their > accounts were taken, referenced and then sealed until when most of > those involved would have died so to have these accounts open to > historians with reopening old wounds. These accounts have become > available in recent years and are the 'Witness Statements' referred > to. > > I should perhaps also conclude with a caveat : most of my extended > family have been IRB, I have been an active Republican that fully > supported the recent Northern Republicans Freedom Struggle since late > teens, I was a member of The Sinn Fein National Exectuive during the > seventies and I remain a supporter of the Republican Movement. Like > most mainstream Republicans I also support the Good Friday agreement > and for the present, the current political settlement. > > > > > On 4/4/12, mccarthyjh@aol.com <mccarthyjh@aol.com> wrote: >> Thanks. I thought it probably had some legal ramification that might >> have been different in older days. Happpy Easter to you and Joan >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> >> To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 2:52 pm >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam >> O'Dwyer? >> >> >> Hi Joan, >> Just in. I suppose that a "witness statement" would be an >> xpression in words (or by a sign) of having seen something. >> ---- Riobard. >> On 4 April 2012 16:19, <mccarthyjh@aol.com> wrote: >>> >> If I may be so dense as to ask, what is a "witness statement?" >> >> Joan >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> >> To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 5:51 am >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] To Riobard... don't you have a relation to Liam >> O'Dwyer? >> >> >> Dear Lisa, >> I just noticed the question on the top. >> Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom was my father. >> ---- Riobard. >> n 4 April 2012 00:28, Lisa OSullivan <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: >> > >> >> Riobard, >> >> I just received the Witness Statement of Liam O'Dwyer of Ardgroom, Co. >> Co., C/C >> Castletownbere Battalion, Cork 111 Brigade, IRA. >> >> He notes his uncle Liam who was a teacher in Eyries National School. >> >> Surely, you've already seen all these records, but if you'd like a >> copy > of >> this >> statement for yourself, please e-mail me and I will send it to you. >> >> For all, these names are listed as officers of the company. >> >> O/C John O'Driscoll >> 1st Lt. Dan Harrington (Causky) >> 2nd Lt. Robert O'Dwyer (brother) >> >> I just recieved about 10 witness statements from the Castletown >> Brigade, > I >> still >> need to look at and will post associated names as I review. >> >> >> Lisa O'Sullivan >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >> >> ------------------------------ >> o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of he message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >> >> ------------------------------ >> o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body > of >> he message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes > in >> the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message