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Page 138 of Allihies bk lists this couple with children Patrick born 1862 and John born 1866. There is no mention of a daughter Ellen. I believe that they are in Huron Mi 1870 census with these two children, plus two more born in Mi in 1867 and 1869. This would indicate that they came to the US in about 1866/67. I believe that Abbey and the two children are listed as arriving in New York on July 3, 1866 aboard the ship Tripoli. The 1870 census also lists Ellen age 12 which would be a birth of abt 1858. The story in my family is that my g grandfather Eugene married a second time after his first wife died and then he died and the second wife sent the children of his first marriage to the US in 1859. Pg 166 of the Allihies book lists a marriage to Abbey Shearhig and the birth of a child Ellen on Oct 1858. I have concluded that after the death of my g grandfather Eugene, Abbey married John Sullivan, and that Ellen was John's stepdaughter and would have been my grandfathers half sister. Is anyone researching the John and Abbey Sullivan family that could verify that Ellen was not John's daughter?

Thanks to Donal for the historical background on tenants' ability to purchase land in Ireland in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. That helps put Bridget's assumed purchase in context. > Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 18:42:29 +0100 > From: dospoet@gmail.com > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Bridget Sullivan > > Hi Dianna, Bill and all. Just back from a lovely literary festival > weekend and catching up! ' Bill..... "..... I am not sure about > whether or not she could have > bought land in her own name. The period was during the land reforms when > tenants were buying land from the landlords......." > > Some brief historical information: the Windham Land Acts of 1903 began > the large scale land purchases, over 16,000 in Munster alone. However > the then Irish Nationalist Party and The Land League were very much > the purchases as they believed that while the land issue was linked to > the National Independence, agitation about the former could be > channeled into the latter. > > The earlier purchases were very much localized events on an estate by > estate basis, if Riobard knows who the local estate landlord was, then > there may be records of the purchases. However if Bridget came back > with enough money to buy a farm, unless she specifically intended to > get married and stay or go into farming for herself, the likelihood is > that she assisted a member of her family or relatives to purchase and > legally own a farm, but the family ( and of course the few bregudgers > that had their eye wiped in the transaction ) would have referred to > 'Bridgit buying a farm' which she 'de facto' did with her money but > 'de jura' her name would not have necessarly appeared in the deed > documents of the period. > > In the sixties my partner's mother was helped by her cousin to buy a > large boarding house in Glasgow, the cousin was paid off in full after > a couple of years when the business was well established and these > 'informal' but never the less very structured arrangements were in > place as part of the extended family mutual help and support family > experience. Unfortunately for researchers, while such transactions may > have been commonplace, very often there are no formal records or > indeed any records at all aside from oral family lore. > > Slan is beannacht, Donal O' > > > > > On 5/21/12, Dianna Porter <porterdianna@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Oops. Sent the last before writing. Thanks to everyone for their > > suggestions and encouragement thus far. The Bridget Marge found could be > > our Bridget, if "operative" means domestic. In Butte at the turn of the > > last century, Sullivan was the most common surname. One source says that in > > 1908, there were 1200 Sullivans from 77 different families in Cork. And > > that doesn't count the wives and children. Frequently, a Sullivan married > > another Sullivan and they were not related. Such was the case with my > > grandparents and with Bridget and John. As mentioned, Bridget Sullivan was a > > common name. There were several listed in the Butte city directory in the > > late 1890s, many were domestics. She was probably a domestic in Anaconda > > before marrying John as there were two in that directory prior to the > > marriage and one after. Bridget and John did not have children. Shortly > > after he died in 1939 in Anaconda, she came to Butte (25 miles away) and > > lived a few years with a niece. In the end, she died in the county hospital > > known locally as the "Poor Farm." Dianna > > > Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:13:48 -0700 > >> From: kerrykuzzin@dslextreme.com > >> To: beara@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Bridget Sullivan > >> > >> Household employees are not listed in the city directories. They usually > >> list heads of households, widows, and those employed outside the home. > >> There is only one Bridget Sullivan, a widow listed in 1894. There is this > >> one in 1895: Sullivan Bridget, operative, boards 77 Eight Rod way, along > >> with the listing for the widow. > >> > >> Marge > >> > >> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Bill Mulligan > >> <billmulligan@murray-ky.net>wrote: > >> > >> > Very interesting family history. In my work, both genealogical and > >> > academic, > >> > I have found obituaries not to be accurate on details all the time. > >> > People > >> > tend to round things off or estimate time in a community. You might > >> > check > >> > the 1880, 1900, and 1910 censuses to see just where she was. Are there > >> > city > >> > directories for Fall River that might help fill in the gap? Worth > >> > investigating while you are there. > >> > > >> > Are you sure she left the Borden's employ after the trial? > >> > > >> > Hers is a common name--but does she show up on a ship passenger list > >> > when > >> > she would have returned? I am not sure about whether or not she could > >> > have > >> > bought land in her own name. The period was during the land reforms > >> > when > >> > tenants were buying land from the landlords. I assume there would be a > >> > record in Dublin. > >> > > >> > Good luck. > >> > > >> > Bill Mulligan > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > >> > Behalf Of Dianna Porter > >> > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 1:21 PM > >> > To: beara riobard > >> > Subject: [BEARA] Bridget Sullivan > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > This is posed to Riobard and anyone else who can answer my questions > >> > about > >> > Bridget Sullivan. Bridget was the maid in the home of Andrew and Abby > >> > Borden who were killed with an axe in Fall River, MA in 1892. Daughter > >> > Lizzie Borden was tried for the murders and acquitted in 1893. Bridget > >> > eventually came to Montana and married my grandmother's brother, John > >> > Sullivan, in 1905 in Anaconda. According to Bridget's obituary in > >> > 1948, > >> > she > >> > lived in Anaconda for 45 years and six years in Butte before her death. > >> > That means that she came to Montana about 1897. But there is a gap in > >> > information about her whereabouts between 1893 and 1897. Family lore > >> > in > >> > our > >> > family and others here connected to Bridget says that after the trial > >> > she > >> > returned to Ireland with sufficient money to buy a farm for her > >> > parents. > >> > If > >> > she did return to Ireland for a few years, that raises these questions > >> > besides where did she get the money (from Lizzie?): Didn't her parents > >> > already own a farm? Riobard's records! > >> > seems to indicate that they did have the farm at Billerough. Was a > >> > woman > >> > in the late 1890s allowed to buy property in her own right? Any > >> > thoughts > >> > on this would be appreciated. My sister and I will be in Fall River > >> > next > >> > month and staying in Bridget's room at the Lizzie Borden B&B. The > >> > question > >> > of her whereabouts 1893-1897 doesn't seem to be answered definitively. > >> > Thanks,Dianna PorterButte, Montana > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> > quotes > >> > in > >> > the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> > quotes > >> > in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Slán, > >> Marge in Southern California > >> > >> Searching: > >> Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut > >> O'Connor in Kerry > >> Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut > >> Lynch in Limerick and Connecticut > >> Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney > >> in > >> Kildare > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Ed. I will do that. And also check Wikipedia. Dianna > From: EFoley1@aol.com > Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 18:07:09 -0400 > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Bridget Sullivan > > There is quite a lengthy story about Bridget Sullivan, daughter of Eugene > and Sullivan and Margaret Leary, in the article about her in Wikipedia. > > As you might expect, there is a lot of material about this murder case > still in the records in Fall River. If I was going to be in Fall River for a > few days, I would try the Fall River room on the second floor of the main > public library at 104 N. Main St. to see what they might have about her. > > ED FOLEY > >> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is quite a lengthy story about Bridget Sullivan, daughter of Eugene and Sullivan and Margaret Leary, in the article about her in Wikipedia. As you might expect, there is a lot of material about this murder case still in the records in Fall River. If I was going to be in Fall River for a few days, I would try the Fall River room on the second floor of the main public library at 104 N. Main St. to see what they might have about her. ED FOLEY In a message dated 5/21/2012 8:17:52 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, porterdianna@hotmail.com writes: > Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:13:48 -0700 > From: kerrykuzzin@dslextreme.com > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Bridget Sullivan > > Household employees are not listed in the city directories. They usually > list heads of households, widows, and those employed outside the home. > There is only one Bridget Sullivan, a widow listed in 1894. There is this > one in 1895: Sullivan Bridget, operative, boards 77 Eight Rod way, along > with the listing for the widow. > > Marge > > On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Bill Mulligan > <billmulligan@murray-ky.net>wrote: > > > Very interesting family history. In my work, both genealogical and > > academic, > > I have found obituaries not to be accurate on details all the time. People > > tend to round things off or estimate time in a community. You might check > > the 1880, 1900, and 1910 censuses to see just where she was. Are there > > city > > directories for Fall River that might help fill in the gap? Worth > > investigating while you are there. > > > > Are you sure she left the Borden's employ after the trial? > > > > Hers is a common name--but does she show up on a ship passenger list when > > she would have returned? I am not sure about whether or not she could have > > bought land in her own name. The period was during the land reforms when > > tenants were buying land from the landlords. I assume there would be a > > record in Dublin. > > > > Good luck. > > > > Bill Mulligan > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Mary. I can always count on you for reliable & up to date information. Barbara Neus On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Mary Funnell <hucklepickleberry@yahoo.co.uk > wrote: > > Dear Beara Members, > > I have just received this e-mail from the RootsIreland website. > Unfortunately I have no relatives in Northern Ireland that I know of, but > I am sure this will be of use to some of our Beara members all over the > world, so I am passing on the information to you all, and good luck with > the tree hunting! > > Kind regards, > Mary Funnell, Brighton, England > > > > > > > > > > > Antrim Records Now AvailableThe Irish Family History Foundation's Online > Research Service (ORS) are pleased to announce the availability of an > additional 23,500 birth and burial records from the Antrim Family History > Centre in Co. Antrim. > > The following parishes have now been added: > Burials > Church of Ireland Aghaderg 1818-1886 > Church of Ireland Aghalee 1811-1874 > Church of Ireland Ballinderry 1840-1865 > Church of Ireland Ballyclug 1841-1871 > Church of Ireland Ballymena 1780-1871 > Church of Ireland Ballymoney 1807-1888 > Church of Ireland Ballynure 1840-1880 > Church of Ireland Ballywillin 1827-1871 > Church of Ireland Christ Church 1837-1902 > Church of Ireland Dromore 1784-1873 > Church of Ireland Drumballyroney 1839-1873 > Church of Ireland Finvoy 1811-1885 > Church of Ireland Glenavy 1707-1840 > Church of Ireland Layde 1824-1872 > Church of Ireland Magheragall 1825-1842 > Church of Ireland Muckamore 1859-1921 > Births > Roman Catholic Shankill 1817-1927 > See the Antrim Sources List for full details. > > Just go to the following site and login using your existing IFHF login > details. > http://antrim.rootsireland.ie > > We now have over 19 million records online. > > Remember that you can purchase and spend your credit at any of the IFHF > online centres. > > Family History Research, Lectures & Tours - try an activity holiday with a > difference. To find out more on some of the summer schools and events > happening over the summer click here. > > If you have any questions or comments please check our Online Help and if > this does not provide an answer, then do not hesitate to contact us or one > or the county centres. > > Yours sincerely > IFHF > > Irish Family History Foundation, Main St. Newbridge, Co. Kildare., Email: > enquiries@rootsireland.ie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

  Dear Beara Members,   I have just received this e-mail from the RootsIreland website. Unfortunately I have no relatives in Northern Ireland that I know of, but I am sure this will be of use to some of our Beara members all over the world, so I am passing on the information to you all, and good luck with the tree hunting!   Kind regards, Mary Funnell, Brighton, England                       Antrim Records Now AvailableThe Irish Family History Foundation's Online Research Service (ORS) are pleased to announce the availability of an additional 23,500 birth and burial records from the Antrim Family History Centre in Co. Antrim. The following parishes have now been added: Burials Church of Ireland Aghaderg 1818-1886 Church of Ireland Aghalee 1811-1874 Church of Ireland Ballinderry 1840-1865 Church of Ireland Ballyclug 1841-1871 Church of Ireland Ballymena 1780-1871 Church of Ireland Ballymoney 1807-1888 Church of Ireland Ballynure 1840-1880 Church of Ireland Ballywillin 1827-1871 Church of Ireland Christ Church 1837-1902 Church of Ireland Dromore 1784-1873 Church of Ireland Drumballyroney 1839-1873 Church of Ireland Finvoy 1811-1885 Church of Ireland Glenavy 1707-1840 Church of Ireland Layde 1824-1872 Church of Ireland Magheragall 1825-1842 Church of Ireland Muckamore 1859-1921 Births Roman Catholic Shankill 1817-1927 See the Antrim Sources List for full details. Just go to the following site and login using your existing IFHF login details. http://antrim.rootsireland.ie We now have over 19 million records online. Remember that you can purchase and spend your credit at any of the IFHF online centres. Family History Research, Lectures & Tours - try an activity holiday with a difference. To find out more on some of the summer schools and events happening over the summer click here. If you have any questions or comments please check our Online Help and if this does not provide an answer, then do not hesitate to contact us or one or the county centres. Yours sincerely IFHF Irish Family History Foundation, Main St. Newbridge, Co. Kildare., Email: enquiries@rootsireland.ie

Thanks, Mary, Marge On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 5:02 AM, Mary Funnell <hucklepickleberry@yahoo.co.uk > wrote: > > Dear Beara Members, > > I have just received this e-mail from the RootsIreland website. > Unfortunately I have no relatives in Northern Ireland that I know of, but > I am sure this will be of use to some of our Beara members all over the > world, so I am passing on the information to you all, and good luck with > the tree hunting! > > Kind regards, > Mary Funnell, Brighton, England > > > > > > > > > > > Antrim Records Now AvailableThe Irish Family History Foundation's Online > Research Service (ORS) are pleased to announce the availability of an > additional 23,500 birth and burial records from the Antrim Family History > Centre in Co. Antrim. > > The following parishes have now been added: > Burials > Church of Ireland Aghaderg 1818-1886 > Church of Ireland Aghalee 1811-1874 > Church of Ireland Ballinderry 1840-1865 > Church of Ireland Ballyclug 1841-1871 > Church of Ireland Ballymena 1780-1871 > Church of Ireland Ballymoney 1807-1888 > Church of Ireland Ballynure 1840-1880 > Church of Ireland Ballywillin 1827-1871 > Church of Ireland Christ Church 1837-1902 > Church of Ireland Dromore 1784-1873 > Church of Ireland Drumballyroney 1839-1873 > Church of Ireland Finvoy 1811-1885 > Church of Ireland Glenavy 1707-1840 > Church of Ireland Layde 1824-1872 > Church of Ireland Magheragall 1825-1842 > Church of Ireland Muckamore 1859-1921 > Births > Roman Catholic Shankill 1817-1927 > See the Antrim Sources List for full details. > > Just go to the following site and login using your existing IFHF login > details. > http://antrim.rootsireland.ie > > We now have over 19 million records online. > > Remember that you can purchase and spend your credit at any of the IFHF > online centres. > > Family History Research, Lectures & Tours - try an activity holiday with a > difference. To find out more on some of the summer schools and events > happening over the summer click here. > > If you have any questions or comments please check our Online Help and if > this does not provide an answer, then do not hesitate to contact us or one > or the county centres. > > Yours sincerely > IFHF > > Irish Family History Foundation, Main St. Newbridge, Co. Kildare., Email: > enquiries@rootsireland.ie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney in Kildare

Hi Dianna, Bill and all. Just back from a lovely literary festival weekend and catching up! ' Bill..... "..... I am not sure about whether or not she could have bought land in her own name. The period was during the land reforms when tenants were buying land from the landlords......." Some brief historical information: the Windham Land Acts of 1903 began the large scale land purchases, over 16,000 in Munster alone. However the then Irish Nationalist Party and The Land League were very much the purchases as they believed that while the land issue was linked to the National Independence, agitation about the former could be channeled into the latter. The earlier purchases were very much localized events on an estate by estate basis, if Riobard knows who the local estate landlord was, then there may be records of the purchases. However if Bridget came back with enough money to buy a farm, unless she specifically intended to get married and stay or go into farming for herself, the likelihood is that she assisted a member of her family or relatives to purchase and legally own a farm, but the family ( and of course the few bregudgers that had their eye wiped in the transaction ) would have referred to 'Bridgit buying a farm' which she 'de facto' did with her money but 'de jura' her name would not have necessarly appeared in the deed documents of the period. In the sixties my partner's mother was helped by her cousin to buy a large boarding house in Glasgow, the cousin was paid off in full after a couple of years when the business was well established and these 'informal' but never the less very structured arrangements were in place as part of the extended family mutual help and support family experience. Unfortunately for researchers, while such transactions may have been commonplace, very often there are no formal records or indeed any records at all aside from oral family lore. Slan is beannacht, Donal O' On 5/21/12, Dianna Porter <porterdianna@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Oops. Sent the last before writing. Thanks to everyone for their > suggestions and encouragement thus far. The Bridget Marge found could be > our Bridget, if "operative" means domestic. In Butte at the turn of the > last century, Sullivan was the most common surname. One source says that in > 1908, there were 1200 Sullivans from 77 different families in Cork. And > that doesn't count the wives and children. Frequently, a Sullivan married > another Sullivan and they were not related. Such was the case with my > grandparents and with Bridget and John. As mentioned, Bridget Sullivan was a > common name. There were several listed in the Butte city directory in the > late 1890s, many were domestics. She was probably a domestic in Anaconda > before marrying John as there were two in that directory prior to the > marriage and one after. Bridget and John did not have children. Shortly > after he died in 1939 in Anaconda, she came to Butte (25 miles away) and > lived a few years with a niece. In the end, she died in the county hospital > known locally as the "Poor Farm." Dianna > > Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:13:48 -0700 >> From: kerrykuzzin@dslextreme.com >> To: beara@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Bridget Sullivan >> >> Household employees are not listed in the city directories. They usually >> list heads of households, widows, and those employed outside the home. >> There is only one Bridget Sullivan, a widow listed in 1894. There is this >> one in 1895: Sullivan Bridget, operative, boards 77 Eight Rod way, along >> with the listing for the widow. >> >> Marge >> >> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Bill Mulligan >> <billmulligan@murray-ky.net>wrote: >> >> > Very interesting family history. In my work, both genealogical and >> > academic, >> > I have found obituaries not to be accurate on details all the time. >> > People >> > tend to round things off or estimate time in a community. You might >> > check >> > the 1880, 1900, and 1910 censuses to see just where she was. Are there >> > city >> > directories for Fall River that might help fill in the gap? Worth >> > investigating while you are there. >> > >> > Are you sure she left the Borden's employ after the trial? >> > >> > Hers is a common name--but does she show up on a ship passenger list >> > when >> > she would have returned? I am not sure about whether or not she could >> > have >> > bought land in her own name. The period was during the land reforms >> > when >> > tenants were buying land from the landlords. I assume there would be a >> > record in Dublin. >> > >> > Good luck. >> > >> > Bill Mulligan >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >> > Behalf Of Dianna Porter >> > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 1:21 PM >> > To: beara riobard >> > Subject: [BEARA] Bridget Sullivan >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > This is posed to Riobard and anyone else who can answer my questions >> > about >> > Bridget Sullivan. Bridget was the maid in the home of Andrew and Abby >> > Borden who were killed with an axe in Fall River, MA in 1892. Daughter >> > Lizzie Borden was tried for the murders and acquitted in 1893. Bridget >> > eventually came to Montana and married my grandmother's brother, John >> > Sullivan, in 1905 in Anaconda. According to Bridget's obituary in >> > 1948, >> > she >> > lived in Anaconda for 45 years and six years in Butte before her death. >> > That means that she came to Montana about 1897. But there is a gap in >> > information about her whereabouts between 1893 and 1897. Family lore >> > in >> > our >> > family and others here connected to Bridget says that after the trial >> > she >> > returned to Ireland with sufficient money to buy a farm for her >> > parents. >> > If >> > she did return to Ireland for a few years, that raises these questions >> > besides where did she get the money (from Lizzie?): Didn't her parents >> > already own a farm? Riobard's records! >> > seems to indicate that they did have the farm at Billerough. Was a >> > woman >> > in the late 1890s allowed to buy property in her own right? Any >> > thoughts >> > on this would be appreciated. My sister and I will be in Fall River >> > next >> > month and staying in Bridget's room at the Lizzie Borden B&B. The >> > question >> > of her whereabouts 1893-1897 doesn't seem to be answered definitively. >> > Thanks,Dianna PorterButte, Montana >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes >> > in >> > the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes >> > in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Slán, >> Marge in Southern California >> >> Searching: >> Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut >> O'Connor in Kerry >> Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut >> Lynch in Limerick and Connecticut >> Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney >> in >> Kildare >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

Dianna, How wonderful that you and your sister will be spending time in Fall River, Massachusetts! The people of Massachusetts are friendly, helpful, and down to earth and I'm sure you will make many memories while there... and hopefully, find out more information on Bridget Sullivan. My fingers are crossed! Have a safe and memorable trip! Kathleen~CT. Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 12:20:59 -0600 From: Dianna Porter <porterdianna@hotmail.com> Subject: [BEARA] Bridget Sullivan This is posed to Riobard and anyone else who can answer my questions about Bridget Sullivan. Bridget was the maid in the home of Andrew and Abby Borden who were killed with an axe in Fall River, MA in 1892. Daughter Lizzie Borden was tried for the murders and acquitted in 1893. Bridget eventually came to Montana and married my grandmother's brother, John Sullivan, in 1905 in Anaconda. According to Bridget's obituary in 1948, she lived in Anaconda for 45 years and six years in Butte before her death. That means that she came to Montana about 1897. But there is a gap in information about her whereabouts between 1893 and 1897. Family lore in our family and others here connected to Bridget says that after the trial she returned to Ireland with sufficient money to buy a farm for her parents. If she did return to Ireland for a few years, that raises these questions besides where did she get the money (from Lizzie?): Didn't her parents already own a farm? Riobard's records! seems to indicate that they did have the farm at Billerough. Was a woman in the late 1890s allowed to buy property in her own right? Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. My sister and I will be in Fall River next month and staying in Bridget's room at the Lizzie Borden B&B. The question of her whereabouts 1893-1897 doesn't seem to be answered definitively. Thanks, Dianna Porter - Butte, Montana

Oops. Sent the last before writing. Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and encouragement thus far. The Bridget Marge found could be our Bridget, if "operative" means domestic. In Butte at the turn of the last century, Sullivan was the most common surname. One source says that in 1908, there were 1200 Sullivans from 77 different families in Cork. And that doesn't count the wives and children. Frequently, a Sullivan married another Sullivan and they were not related. Such was the case with my grandparents and with Bridget and John. As mentioned, Bridget Sullivan was a common name. There were several listed in the Butte city directory in the late 1890s, many were domestics. She was probably a domestic in Anaconda before marrying John as there were two in that directory prior to the marriage and one after. Bridget and John did not have children. Shortly after he died in 1939 in Anaconda, she came to Butte (25 miles away) and lived a few years with a niece. In the end, she died in the county hospital known locally as the "Poor Farm." Dianna > Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:13:48 -0700 > From: kerrykuzzin@dslextreme.com > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Bridget Sullivan > > Household employees are not listed in the city directories. They usually > list heads of households, widows, and those employed outside the home. > There is only one Bridget Sullivan, a widow listed in 1894. There is this > one in 1895: Sullivan Bridget, operative, boards 77 Eight Rod way, along > with the listing for the widow. > > Marge > > On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Bill Mulligan > <billmulligan@murray-ky.net>wrote: > > > Very interesting family history. In my work, both genealogical and > > academic, > > I have found obituaries not to be accurate on details all the time. People > > tend to round things off or estimate time in a community. You might check > > the 1880, 1900, and 1910 censuses to see just where she was. Are there > > city > > directories for Fall River that might help fill in the gap? Worth > > investigating while you are there. > > > > Are you sure she left the Borden's employ after the trial? > > > > Hers is a common name--but does she show up on a ship passenger list when > > she would have returned? I am not sure about whether or not she could have > > bought land in her own name. The period was during the land reforms when > > tenants were buying land from the landlords. I assume there would be a > > record in Dublin. > > > > Good luck. > > > > Bill Mulligan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > > Behalf Of Dianna Porter > > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 1:21 PM > > To: beara riobard > > Subject: [BEARA] Bridget Sullivan > > > > > > > > > > > > This is posed to Riobard and anyone else who can answer my questions about > > Bridget Sullivan. Bridget was the maid in the home of Andrew and Abby > > Borden who were killed with an axe in Fall River, MA in 1892. Daughter > > Lizzie Borden was tried for the murders and acquitted in 1893. Bridget > > eventually came to Montana and married my grandmother's brother, John > > Sullivan, in 1905 in Anaconda. According to Bridget's obituary in 1948, > > she > > lived in Anaconda for 45 years and six years in Butte before her death. > > That means that she came to Montana about 1897. But there is a gap in > > information about her whereabouts between 1893 and 1897. Family lore in > > our > > family and others here connected to Bridget says that after the trial she > > returned to Ireland with sufficient money to buy a farm for her parents. > > If > > she did return to Ireland for a few years, that raises these questions > > besides where did she get the money (from Lizzie?): Didn't her parents > > already own a farm? Riobard's records! > > seems to indicate that they did have the farm at Billerough. Was a woman > > in the late 1890s allowed to buy property in her own right? Any thoughts > > on this would be appreciated. My sister and I will be in Fall River next > > month and staying in Bridget's room at the Lizzie Borden B&B. The question > > of her whereabouts 1893-1897 doesn't seem to be answered definitively. > > Thanks,Dianna PorterButte, Montana > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Slán, > Marge in Southern California > > Searching: > Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut > O'Connor in Kerry > Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut > Lynch in Limerick and Connecticut > Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney in > Kildare > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:13:48 -0700 > From: kerrykuzzin@dslextreme.com > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Bridget Sullivan > > Household employees are not listed in the city directories. They usually > list heads of households, widows, and those employed outside the home. > There is only one Bridget Sullivan, a widow listed in 1894. There is this > one in 1895: Sullivan Bridget, operative, boards 77 Eight Rod way, along > with the listing for the widow. > > Marge > > On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Bill Mulligan > <billmulligan@murray-ky.net>wrote: > > > Very interesting family history. In my work, both genealogical and > > academic, > > I have found obituaries not to be accurate on details all the time. People > > tend to round things off or estimate time in a community. You might check > > the 1880, 1900, and 1910 censuses to see just where she was. Are there > > city > > directories for Fall River that might help fill in the gap? Worth > > investigating while you are there. > > > > Are you sure she left the Borden's employ after the trial? > > > > Hers is a common name--but does she show up on a ship passenger list when > > she would have returned? I am not sure about whether or not she could have > > bought land in her own name. The period was during the land reforms when > > tenants were buying land from the landlords. I assume there would be a > > record in Dublin. > > > > Good luck. > > > > Bill Mulligan > >

Household employees are not listed in the city directories. They usually list heads of households, widows, and those employed outside the home. There is only one Bridget Sullivan, a widow listed in 1894. There is this one in 1895: Sullivan Bridget, operative, boards 77 Eight Rod way, along with the listing for the widow. Marge On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Bill Mulligan <billmulligan@murray-ky.net>wrote: > Very interesting family history. In my work, both genealogical and > academic, > I have found obituaries not to be accurate on details all the time. People > tend to round things off or estimate time in a community. You might check > the 1880, 1900, and 1910 censuses to see just where she was. Are there > city > directories for Fall River that might help fill in the gap? Worth > investigating while you are there. > > Are you sure she left the Borden's employ after the trial? > > Hers is a common name--but does she show up on a ship passenger list when > she would have returned? I am not sure about whether or not she could have > bought land in her own name. The period was during the land reforms when > tenants were buying land from the landlords. I assume there would be a > record in Dublin. > > Good luck. > > Bill Mulligan > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Dianna Porter > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 1:21 PM > To: beara riobard > Subject: [BEARA] Bridget Sullivan > > > > > > This is posed to Riobard and anyone else who can answer my questions about > Bridget Sullivan. Bridget was the maid in the home of Andrew and Abby > Borden who were killed with an axe in Fall River, MA in 1892. Daughter > Lizzie Borden was tried for the murders and acquitted in 1893. Bridget > eventually came to Montana and married my grandmother's brother, John > Sullivan, in 1905 in Anaconda. According to Bridget's obituary in 1948, > she > lived in Anaconda for 45 years and six years in Butte before her death. > That means that she came to Montana about 1897. But there is a gap in > information about her whereabouts between 1893 and 1897. Family lore in > our > family and others here connected to Bridget says that after the trial she > returned to Ireland with sufficient money to buy a farm for her parents. > If > she did return to Ireland for a few years, that raises these questions > besides where did she get the money (from Lizzie?): Didn't her parents > already own a farm? Riobard's records! > seems to indicate that they did have the farm at Billerough. Was a woman > in the late 1890s allowed to buy property in her own right? Any thoughts > on this would be appreciated. My sister and I will be in Fall River next > month and staying in Bridget's room at the Lizzie Borden B&B. The question > of her whereabouts 1893-1897 doesn't seem to be answered definitively. > Thanks,Dianna PorterButte, Montana > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney in Kildare

Very interesting family history. In my work, both genealogical and academic, I have found obituaries not to be accurate on details all the time. People tend to round things off or estimate time in a community. You might check the 1880, 1900, and 1910 censuses to see just where she was. Are there city directories for Fall River that might help fill in the gap? Worth investigating while you are there. Are you sure she left the Borden's employ after the trial? Hers is a common name--but does she show up on a ship passenger list when she would have returned? I am not sure about whether or not she could have bought land in her own name. The period was during the land reforms when tenants were buying land from the landlords. I assume there would be a record in Dublin. Good luck. Bill Mulligan -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dianna Porter Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 1:21 PM To: beara riobard Subject: [BEARA] Bridget Sullivan This is posed to Riobard and anyone else who can answer my questions about Bridget Sullivan. Bridget was the maid in the home of Andrew and Abby Borden who were killed with an axe in Fall River, MA in 1892. Daughter Lizzie Borden was tried for the murders and acquitted in 1893. Bridget eventually came to Montana and married my grandmother's brother, John Sullivan, in 1905 in Anaconda. According to Bridget's obituary in 1948, she lived in Anaconda for 45 years and six years in Butte before her death. That means that she came to Montana about 1897. But there is a gap in information about her whereabouts between 1893 and 1897. Family lore in our family and others here connected to Bridget says that after the trial she returned to Ireland with sufficient money to buy a farm for her parents. If she did return to Ireland for a few years, that raises these questions besides where did she get the money (from Lizzie?): Didn't her parents already own a farm? Riobard's records! seems to indicate that they did have the farm at Billerough. Was a woman in the late 1890s allowed to buy property in her own right? Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. My sister and I will be in Fall River next month and staying in Bridget's room at the Lizzie Borden B&B. The question of her whereabouts 1893-1897 doesn't seem to be answered definitively. Thanks,Dianna PorterButte, Montana ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dianna, I found your posting on Bridget very interesting. I have always been interested in Bridget's story and her role with Lizzie Borden. Is Billerough in Allihies parish? I have visited the Borden B& B and it is very interesting. I saw the room that was Bridgets on the top floor. Hope you and your sister have a fun trip to Fall River. Margaret ONeill East Taunton, MA Sent from my iPad On May 20, 2012, at 2:20 PM, Dianna Porter <porterdianna@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > This is posed to Riobard and anyone else who can answer my questions about Bridget Sullivan. Bridget was the maid in the home of Andrew and Abby Borden who were killed with an axe in Fall River, MA in 1892. Daughter Lizzie Borden was tried for the murders and acquitted in 1893. Bridget eventually came to Montana and married my grandmother's brother, John Sullivan, in 1905 in Anaconda. According to Bridget's obituary in 1948, she lived in Anaconda for 45 years and six years in Butte before her death. That means that she came to Montana about 1897. But there is a gap in information about her whereabouts between 1893 and 1897. Family lore in our family and others here connected to Bridget says that after the trial she returned to Ireland with sufficient money to buy a farm for her parents. If she did return to Ireland for a few years, that raises these questions besides where did she get the money (from Lizzie?): Didn't her parents already own a farm? Riobard's recor! ds! > seems to indicate that they did have the farm at Billerough. Was a woman in the late 1890s allowed to buy property in her own right? Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. My sister and I will be in Fall River next month and staying in Bridget's room at the Lizzie Borden B&B. The question of her whereabouts 1893-1897 doesn't seem to be answered definitively. Thanks,Dianna PorterButte, Montana > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fascinating family history! I've often wondered about possible Beara connections for the Borden's maid because of her last name. I can't contribute to your inquiry but I wish you good luck in finding the answer to your questions. Who knows what you might uncover! Did Bridget and John have any children? Margaret Duffy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianna Porter" <porterdianna@hotmail.com> To: "beara riobard" <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 2:20 PM Subject: [BEARA] Bridget Sullivan > > > > > This is posed to Riobard and anyone else who can answer my questions about > Bridget Sullivan. Bridget was the maid in the home of Andrew and Abby > Borden who were killed with an axe in Fall River, MA in 1892. Daughter > Lizzie Borden was tried for the murders and acquitted in 1893. Bridget > eventually came to Montana and married my grandmother's brother, John > Sullivan, in 1905 in Anaconda. According to Bridget's obituary in 1948, > she lived in Anaconda for 45 years and six years in Butte before her > death. That means that she came to Montana about 1897. But there is a gap > in information about her whereabouts between 1893 and 1897. Family lore > in our family and others here connected to Bridget says that after the > trial she returned to Ireland with sufficient money to buy a farm for her > parents. If she did return to Ireland for a few years, that raises these > questions besides where did she get the money (from Lizzie?): Didn't her > parents already own a farm? Riobard's records! > seems to indicate that they did have the farm at Billerough. Was a woman > in the late 1890s allowed to buy property in her own right? Any thoughts > on this would be appreciated. My sister and I will be in Fall River next > month and staying in Bridget's room at the Lizzie Borden B&B. The > question of her whereabouts 1893-1897 doesn't seem to be answered > definitively. Thanks,Dianna PorterButte, Montana > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

This is posed to Riobard and anyone else who can answer my questions about Bridget Sullivan. Bridget was the maid in the home of Andrew and Abby Borden who were killed with an axe in Fall River, MA in 1892. Daughter Lizzie Borden was tried for the murders and acquitted in 1893. Bridget eventually came to Montana and married my grandmother's brother, John Sullivan, in 1905 in Anaconda. According to Bridget's obituary in 1948, she lived in Anaconda for 45 years and six years in Butte before her death. That means that she came to Montana about 1897. But there is a gap in information about her whereabouts between 1893 and 1897. Family lore in our family and others here connected to Bridget says that after the trial she returned to Ireland with sufficient money to buy a farm for her parents. If she did return to Ireland for a few years, that raises these questions besides where did she get the money (from Lizzie?): Didn't her parents already own a farm? Riobard's records seems to indicate that they did have the farm at Billerough. Was a woman in the late 1890s allowed to buy property in her own right? Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. My sister and I will be in Fall River next month and staying in Bridget's room at the Lizzie Borden B&B. The question of her whereabouts 1893-1897 doesn't seem to be answered definitively. Thanks,Dianna PorterButte, Montana