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Dear friends, I see our friend Mary has gotten her computer infected with a virus. I've temporarily suspended her from the list, and written to her, suggesting she do a virus scan and update her antivirus protection. Hopefully she'll be back soon. Mary Funnell <hucklepickleberry@yahoo.co.uk> writes: [nothing, really] -- Bill

Another awesome story! Thank you Riobard! Sent from my iPad On Jun 12, 2012, at 1:15 PM, "Riobard O' Dwyer" <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: > About 8 days ago there was an email from Richard H Snowin whose grandfather > was Chief Officer at Ballycrovane Coastguard Station at the time of the > Irish Insurrection against Engish Rule, and who, with Petty Officer Brown > was shot by my father Liam O'Dwyer in the gun battle during the raid on the > Station by him, fellow Officer Christy O'Connell. and their fellow > insurgents. Previous to the raid, the Station had been supplied with arms > by the English, and the local insurgents were out to relieve them of those > arms. The Fight for Freedom was on. My father's house had been burned by > the Black & Tans (English soldiers), and the other younger members of his > family had to sleep beside a fence outside the burned house He and some of > his brothers, with some other local insurgents, were out fighting against > the Black & Tans (English soldiers) at the time. After the supply of > military arms to the English Officers and Marines in the Coastguard > Station, the local insurgents under the Command of Christy O'Connell and my > father Liam planned the raid. The storming party, including 4 sledgemen > were to burst in the doors. Liam, with three other men were to attack the > British Officers' quarters. One of the men had a shotgun with 2 cartridges; > another had a shotgun with one cartridge; while Liam, one of the Officers, > had a Colt revolver with 5 cartridges. Christy and his men were to attack > the other 3 houses. On Sunday morning July 25th 1920, as the bell tolled > for last Mass in Eyeries, the insurgents moved off down to the seashore, > about 400 yards from the Station. When they got within 50 yards of the > Station-yard wall, they had to crawl up an earthen, almost sheer, 60 feet > cliff bank up to a long wall beside a low fence. Then, Liam and his men, > and Christy and his men started rolling over their parts of the wall. > "Beauts", the Officers' dog. started barking fiercely, and the Station > Officers began loading their guns. As Mrs. Brown was screaming with > terror, Officer Brown rushed in from the day room, and Liam shouted "Hands > up ". Bur Officer Brown ignored everything but his duty. As his revolver > was coming to a firing position, Liam fired at Officer Brown's arm over > Mrs. Brown's shoulder, and as Officer Brown was falling, Liam noticed Chief > Officer Snowin passing outside the day-room window to get Liam from the > rear. A shot from Chief Officer Snowin crashed through the glass in front > of Liam. Liam doubled around the centre-pillar of the two windows of the > day-room. Chief Officer Snowin was firing to right and left of the pillar. > "Kill now, or be killed" said Liam who gave quick peep around the pillar to > see the position of Brown and Snowin. Brown was at the right-hand side of > the window with Snowin crouched close to him. A bullet followed Liam's head > as he crouched and fired without looking. He heard a thud and a groan, and > Brown was dead. Then a shot to the right and a shot to the left ot Liam, as > Liam crouched low, and another bullet came through where Snowin had > throught a part of Liam's head was positioned. Liam, without looking, fired > again from a higher position around the pillar. There was another thud, and > Snowin was dead. Liam shouted to Christy to tell him that the two Officers > were dead, but the marines who were firing at Christy kept on firing. > Christy roared at them through the flying bullets that he would set fire to > the Station unless they surrendered. They didn't surrender until Liam and > another neighbouring insurgent pulled the bodies of the two British > Officers out into the back yard, and it was only when the British marines > saw the bodies of their dead comrades lying in the back yard that they then > surrendered. Chief Officer Snowin and Officer Brown were two brave men > fighting for their country, and our Insurgents were also brave men fighting > for the freedom of their own country, Ireland. Such is war. > > ----- Riobard. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This account by Riobard says so much about the character of the IRA volunteers like his father, the scant armaments and ammunition they held for the attack made it almost a suicide mission for the attackers to go up against such a well fortified and defended position. Looked at objectively could be said that the attackers were recklessness or were brave to the point of foolhardiness, yet both assessments could not be more wrong. By then Liam's generation had experienced total war by the British Crown on the Irish Civil population, as with the burning of the Dwyer family home and the burning of my grandmother's home village of Ballydesmond and the roping of hostage civilians to the front of armored vehicles to prevent IRA attacks as happened in Macroom. There was a fierce determination by most Volunteers that this would be the last English/ Irish war and that they would end British occupation and all it entailed for once and for all! I grew up in a community where I had the privilege to know many of these Ex-IRA volunteers, I had the honor to give the funeral oration for Johnny Jones, last of Moylan's Flying Column and the husbands of one of my late aunts was another such local Volunteer. It is also a testament to the character of these men ( and indeed women also) that most of these Freedom Fighters returned to the plough, the shop counter and the carpenter's saw after fighting one of the finest professional armies in the then world to a standstill, without ever getting the proverbial parking ticked for the remainder of their lives. I also agree with Riobard that CO Snowin and Officer Brown were brave men who conducted themselves in their last moments in the finest traditions of the armed forces that they served. They died as so many other British have in Ireland, as good men in a bad cause. May God's peace and mercy be now with those combatants one and all On 6/12/12, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: > About 8 days ago there was an email from Richard H Snowin whose grandfather > was Chief Officer at Ballycrovane Coastguard Station at the time of the > Irish Insurrection against Engish Rule, and who, with Petty Officer Brown > was shot by my father Liam O'Dwyer in the gun battle during the raid on the > Station by him, fellow Officer Christy O'Connell. and their fellow > insurgents. Previous to the raid, the Station had been supplied with arms > by the English, and the local insurgents were out to relieve them of those > arms. The Fight for Freedom was on. My father's house had been burned by > the Black & Tans (English soldiers), and the other younger members of his > family had to sleep beside a fence outside the burned house He and some of > his brothers, with some other local insurgents, were out fighting against > the Black & Tans (English soldiers) at the time. After the supply of > military arms to the English Officers and Marines in the Coastguard > Station, the local insurgents under the Command of Christy O'Connell and my > father Liam planned the raid. The storming party, including 4 sledgemen > were to burst in the doors. Liam, with three other men were to attack the > British Officers' quarters. One of the men had a shotgun with 2 cartridges; > another had a shotgun with one cartridge; while Liam, one of the Officers, > had a Colt revolver with 5 cartridges. Christy and his men were to attack > the other 3 houses. On Sunday morning July 25th 1920, as the bell tolled > for last Mass in Eyeries, the insurgents moved off down to the seashore, > about 400 yards from the Station. When they got within 50 yards of the > Station-yard wall, they had to crawl up an earthen, almost sheer, 60 feet > cliff bank up to a long wall beside a low fence. Then, Liam and his men, > and Christy and his men started rolling over their parts of the wall. > "Beauts", the Officers' dog. started barking fiercely, and the Station > Officers began loading their guns. As Mrs. Brown was screaming with > terror, Officer Brown rushed in from the day room, and Liam shouted "Hands > up ". Bur Officer Brown ignored everything but his duty. As his revolver > was coming to a firing position, Liam fired at Officer Brown's arm over > Mrs. Brown's shoulder, and as Officer Brown was falling, Liam noticed Chief > Officer Snowin passing outside the day-room window to get Liam from the > rear. A shot from Chief Officer Snowin crashed through the glass in front > of Liam. Liam doubled around the centre-pillar of the two windows of the > day-room. Chief Officer Snowin was firing to right and left of the pillar. > "Kill now, or be killed" said Liam who gave quick peep around the pillar to > see the position of Brown and Snowin. Brown was at the right-hand side of > the window with Snowin crouched close to him. A bullet followed Liam's head > as he crouched and fired without looking. He heard a thud and a groan, and > Brown was dead. Then a shot to the right and a shot to the left ot Liam, as > Liam crouched low, and another bullet came through where Snowin had > throught a part of Liam's head was positioned. Liam, without looking, fired > again from a higher position around the pillar. There was another thud, and > Snowin was dead. Liam shouted to Christy to tell him that the two Officers > were dead, but the marines who were firing at Christy kept on firing. > Christy roared at them through the flying bullets that he would set fire to > the Station unless they surrendered. They didn't surrender until Liam and > another neighbouring insurgent pulled the bodies of the two British > Officers out into the back yard, and it was only when the British marines > saw the bodies of their dead comrades lying in the back yard that they then > surrendered. Chief Officer Snowin and Officer Brown were two brave men > fighting for their country, and our Insurgents were also brave men fighting > for the freedom of their own country, Ireland. Such is war. > > ----- Riobard. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

Riobard and all : one more mission story from childhood too good not to share. Back then in the 50's men and women sat on different sides in the church and one mission night was usually given over to 'sins of the flesh' On the night concerned the missioner was in full flight about sexual relations and all the trouble they caused in married life etc. In fact as far as he was concerned married life would be much better if sexual relations could be avoided all together. After the sermon men and women milled around in their own groups outside the church gate for a gossip before heading off home. One couple there were a little naive and when out of earshot, the woman, obviously bothered about what she had just heard asked her husband, " Tady, do we have sexual relations "? Tady answered, " I do not rightly know Joanie but if we have in my side of the house anyway, they must be as troublesome as the missioner said they were for my mother never asked them to our wedding !" Ah God, as I am sure Riobard will agree, a vanished Ireland and innocent times indeed! Slan is beannacht, Donal O' On 6/12/12, donal O'Siodhachain <dospoet@gmail.com> wrote: > Riobard and all: well got a bed anyway, in hospital and everything on > schedule for to-morrow PG. > > Good story re heaven from my childhood, for those who do not know some > sets for traditional dancing are eight and where space is tight a > 'half set' is two couples of four people. On 'Mission Week' there were > visiting priests and much pulpit thumping and oration about all manner > of sins etc. Then on the last day after the mountainy men were herded > in for confession, there was usually a mild mannered elderly priest > brought on to preach on the joys of heaven and the bliss that awaited > all. > > After one such Mission in in a local village the men coming from the > creamery congregated as usual in the forge to discuss the happenings > of the day and the sermon from the night before and the joys of Heaven > and what the place could be like occupied all. The smith, a man of few > words, meanwhile was getting with his work. He was finally asked for > his opinion. > > He stopped, struck the anvil once with his hammer for emphasis and > said, " forget about last night, after what I heard for the rest of > the week there will not be enough from this parish 'going upstairs' to > make up a half-set!" > > On 6/12/12, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: >> To Donal for the success of his coming operation, and my thanks to all >> who >> sent me cards for my 21st + birthday >> >> --- !!!, ---- and thanks also >> for their much-appreciated comments on my genealogical research work over >> the years >> From that >> tormentor re. some womens' "ages" (but in jocose fashion) >> >> ----- Riobard. >> On 12 June 2012 15:06, Dianna Porter <porterdianna@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Riobard and Donal,You both make heaven sound like someplace to really >>> look >>> forward to. What positive attitudes. Good luck on your surgery, Donal, >>> and many, many pleasurable years of enjoyment with Joan and your family, >>> Riobard. We all have found our places in history through your research >>> of >>> our families. We are forever indebted to you. Dianna PorterButte, >>> Montana >>> > Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:45:16 +0100 >>> > From: dospoet@gmail.com >>> > To: beara@rootsweb.com >>> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Beara genealogical research >>> > >>> > Riobard a chara uasal, a somewhat late happy birthday to you and I am >>> > sure there will be many, many more to follow! Some weeks back there >>> > was a chance that I could have been taking 'a trip upstairs' myself >>> > but still here. >>> > >>> > At least I could look forward to a bit of rest but given the demand on >>> > your services 'on this side of the Jordan' there must be a fair old >>> > Que. up for you on the other side. And of course you will not get away >>> > with five or six generations anymore, they will expect you to go back >>> > to the Melisian Invasion. >>> > >>> > God man but I feel for you, I will only have to do the odd poem to >>> > keep people happy up there but you are going to have to head up a >>> > whole scriptorium, you will have a bigger set up than Innishfallen or >>> > Clonmacnaoise in their day within a few weeks of getting up there with >>> > at least fifty years of a waiting list. Get a good rest in first you >>> > are going to need it! >>> > >>> > With regard to poplar family names in general usage and true family >>> > names such as the example given in another recent post, it was quite >>> > common in the 18th, and 19th, century for families to operate as an >>> > extended unit, helping and supporting each other. Given a situation >>> > where say a half dozen members of a family bought in or married in to >>> > an area, by the third generation the same Lenihan or O'Connor ( to use >>> > my own townland as an example) were everywhere with repeating first >>> > names. >>> > >>> > Nick names such as 'Mary Pats' Long Dan' or 'Hairy Ned' came into >>> > their own and the there were designation that came from a specific >>> > area such as 'Patsy The Bogs' or 'The Western Den Tade's or Jamie The >>> > Cross.etc. Then there were the occupations, 'The Smiths' may be known >>> > as that for generations in an area but this was seldom their true >>> > family name. Likewise with 'The Coopers' or 'The Weavers' etc. >>> > >>> > It was not so much a matter of 'acceptable' names to authority, as an >>> > everyday need to distinguish who was who in a small region with dozens >>> > carrying the same family names. In the wide open spaces of America and >>> > the scattering, the secondary family names were unnecessary and >>> > usually fell into disuse after a generation or two. >>> > >>> > At home things were different, I was born in my grandmother's house in >>> > 49 in another parish to the one that I grew up in as the midwife lived >>> > just up the road. My maternal grandmother was a strong character so I >>> > will always be Dan, Biddy, Ellie, Jackie in that townland taking in my >>> > mother, grandmother and great-grandfather. >>> > >>> > To end on another note ( perhaps not the best choice of words) I am >>> > going into hospital to-morrow afternoon for a five hour operation on >>> > Wednesday. All should be O'K Please God but if not, I will start >>> > organizing things for Riobard up there so there and get copies of his >>> > records up from the US so there will be no delay when he gets there ! >>> > >>> > Slan is beannacht, Donal O' >>> > >>> > On 6/11/12, kerstentm@snowcrest.net <kerstentm@snowcrest.net> wrote: >>> > > Riobard, >>> > > Well, a very happy birthday to you! I'm visualizing you having >>> > > happy times with friends, long walks and the enjoyment of good >>> > > music in the time you have left. >>> > > And I rather suspect that when you get to heaven, that you >>> > > will be patted on the back by all those women, as they have >>> > > realized that age is irrelevant in heaven. You have done >>> > > so much good for us that I think you need to focus on the >>> > > positive side of the balance sheet. Theresa Kersten >>> > > (of Harrington-Uonhi, Harrington-Og, Murphy (from Kilmacowan >>> > > families) >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >> Please address all future queries with regard to research of all >>> > >> the >>> > >> Parishes of the Beara Peninsula (covering nearly 200 years), which >>> > >> was >>> > >> done >>> > >> for the past 50 years or so, to >>> > >> NEHGS, >>> > >> 101 Newbury St., >>> > >> Boston, >>> > >> Mass., >>> > >> USA >>> > >> I hope my research has helped many of you to find out your >>> > >> ancestry. >>> > >> I >>> > >> was >>> > >> 80 years old a few weeks ago, and from here on in I will have to >>> prepare >>> > >> to >>> > >> meet the Man Above, and answer to Him for all my sins ---- and >>> especially >>> > >> to ask His forgiveness for telling the ages of many women who will >>> > >> be >>> > >> glad >>> > >> to see the back of me from now on, and will again be able to reveal >>> their >>> > >> "true ages". For all those revelations, all I can say now is mea >>> culpa, >>> > >> mea >>> > >> culpa, mea maxima culpa to them as I prepare for my final resting >>> place >>> > >> in >>> > >> Gortnabulliga. Thank you all, the many good friends I have made >>> > >> over >>> the >>> > >> years. >>> > >> ----- Riobard. >>> > >> >>> > >> ------------------------------- >>> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> > >> in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > --------------------------------------------- >>> > > This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. >>> > > http://www.snowcrest.net >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ------------------------------- >>> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in >>> > > the subject and the body of the message >>> > > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >

Riobard and all: well got a bed anyway, in hospital and everything on schedule for to-morrow PG. Good story re heaven from my childhood, for those who do not know some sets for traditional dancing are eight and where space is tight a 'half set' is two couples of four people. On 'Mission Week' there were visiting priests and much pulpit thumping and oration about all manner of sins etc. Then on the last day after the mountainy men were herded in for confession, there was usually a mild mannered elderly priest brought on to preach on the joys of heaven and the bliss that awaited all. After one such Mission in in a local village the men coming from the creamery congregated as usual in the forge to discuss the happenings of the day and the sermon from the night before and the joys of Heaven and what the place could be like occupied all. The smith, a man of few words, meanwhile was getting with his work. He was finally asked for his opinion. He stopped, struck the anvil once with his hammer for emphasis and said, " forget about last night, after what I heard for the rest of the week there will not be enough from this parish 'going upstairs' to make up a half-set!" On 6/12/12, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: > To Donal for the success of his coming operation, and my thanks to all who > sent me cards for my 21st + birthday > > --- !!!, ---- and thanks also > for their much-appreciated comments on my genealogical research work over > the years > From that > tormentor re. some womens' "ages" (but in jocose fashion) > > ----- Riobard. > On 12 June 2012 15:06, Dianna Porter <porterdianna@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Riobard and Donal,You both make heaven sound like someplace to really >> look >> forward to. What positive attitudes. Good luck on your surgery, Donal, >> and many, many pleasurable years of enjoyment with Joan and your family, >> Riobard. We all have found our places in history through your research >> of >> our families. We are forever indebted to you. Dianna PorterButte, >> Montana >> > Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:45:16 +0100 >> > From: dospoet@gmail.com >> > To: beara@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Beara genealogical research >> > >> > Riobard a chara uasal, a somewhat late happy birthday to you and I am >> > sure there will be many, many more to follow! Some weeks back there >> > was a chance that I could have been taking 'a trip upstairs' myself >> > but still here. >> > >> > At least I could look forward to a bit of rest but given the demand on >> > your services 'on this side of the Jordan' there must be a fair old >> > Que. up for you on the other side. And of course you will not get away >> > with five or six generations anymore, they will expect you to go back >> > to the Melisian Invasion. >> > >> > God man but I feel for you, I will only have to do the odd poem to >> > keep people happy up there but you are going to have to head up a >> > whole scriptorium, you will have a bigger set up than Innishfallen or >> > Clonmacnaoise in their day within a few weeks of getting up there with >> > at least fifty years of a waiting list. Get a good rest in first you >> > are going to need it! >> > >> > With regard to poplar family names in general usage and true family >> > names such as the example given in another recent post, it was quite >> > common in the 18th, and 19th, century for families to operate as an >> > extended unit, helping and supporting each other. Given a situation >> > where say a half dozen members of a family bought in or married in to >> > an area, by the third generation the same Lenihan or O'Connor ( to use >> > my own townland as an example) were everywhere with repeating first >> > names. >> > >> > Nick names such as 'Mary Pats' Long Dan' or 'Hairy Ned' came into >> > their own and the there were designation that came from a specific >> > area such as 'Patsy The Bogs' or 'The Western Den Tade's or Jamie The >> > Cross.etc. Then there were the occupations, 'The Smiths' may be known >> > as that for generations in an area but this was seldom their true >> > family name. Likewise with 'The Coopers' or 'The Weavers' etc. >> > >> > It was not so much a matter of 'acceptable' names to authority, as an >> > everyday need to distinguish who was who in a small region with dozens >> > carrying the same family names. In the wide open spaces of America and >> > the scattering, the secondary family names were unnecessary and >> > usually fell into disuse after a generation or two. >> > >> > At home things were different, I was born in my grandmother's house in >> > 49 in another parish to the one that I grew up in as the midwife lived >> > just up the road. My maternal grandmother was a strong character so I >> > will always be Dan, Biddy, Ellie, Jackie in that townland taking in my >> > mother, grandmother and great-grandfather. >> > >> > To end on another note ( perhaps not the best choice of words) I am >> > going into hospital to-morrow afternoon for a five hour operation on >> > Wednesday. All should be O'K Please God but if not, I will start >> > organizing things for Riobard up there so there and get copies of his >> > records up from the US so there will be no delay when he gets there ! >> > >> > Slan is beannacht, Donal O' >> > >> > On 6/11/12, kerstentm@snowcrest.net <kerstentm@snowcrest.net> wrote: >> > > Riobard, >> > > Well, a very happy birthday to you! I'm visualizing you having >> > > happy times with friends, long walks and the enjoyment of good >> > > music in the time you have left. >> > > And I rather suspect that when you get to heaven, that you >> > > will be patted on the back by all those women, as they have >> > > realized that age is irrelevant in heaven. You have done >> > > so much good for us that I think you need to focus on the >> > > positive side of the balance sheet. Theresa Kersten >> > > (of Harrington-Uonhi, Harrington-Og, Murphy (from Kilmacowan >> > > families) >> > > >> > > >> > >> Please address all future queries with regard to research of all the >> > >> Parishes of the Beara Peninsula (covering nearly 200 years), which >> > >> was >> > >> done >> > >> for the past 50 years or so, to >> > >> NEHGS, >> > >> 101 Newbury St., >> > >> Boston, >> > >> Mass., >> > >> USA >> > >> I hope my research has helped many of you to find out your ancestry. >> > >> I >> > >> was >> > >> 80 years old a few weeks ago, and from here on in I will have to >> prepare >> > >> to >> > >> meet the Man Above, and answer to Him for all my sins ---- and >> especially >> > >> to ask His forgiveness for telling the ages of many women who will >> > >> be >> > >> glad >> > >> to see the back of me from now on, and will again be able to reveal >> their >> > >> "true ages". For all those revelations, all I can say now is mea >> culpa, >> > >> mea >> > >> culpa, mea maxima culpa to them as I prepare for my final resting >> place >> > >> in >> > >> Gortnabulliga. Thank you all, the many good friends I have made >> > >> over >> the >> > >> years. >> > >> ----- Riobard. >> > >> >> > >> ------------------------------- >> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> > >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > --------------------------------------------- >> > > This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. >> > > http://www.snowcrest.net >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in >> > > the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

To Donal for the success of his coming operation, and my thanks to all who sent me cards for my 21st + birthday --- !!!, ---- and thanks also for their much-appreciated comments on my genealogical research work over the years From that tormentor re. some womens' "ages" (but in jocose fashion) ----- Riobard. On 12 June 2012 15:06, Dianna Porter <porterdianna@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Riobard and Donal,You both make heaven sound like someplace to really look > forward to. What positive attitudes. Good luck on your surgery, Donal, > and many, many pleasurable years of enjoyment with Joan and your family, > Riobard. We all have found our places in history through your research of > our families. We are forever indebted to you. Dianna PorterButte, Montana > > Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:45:16 +0100 > > From: dospoet@gmail.com > > To: beara@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Beara genealogical research > > > > Riobard a chara uasal, a somewhat late happy birthday to you and I am > > sure there will be many, many more to follow! Some weeks back there > > was a chance that I could have been taking 'a trip upstairs' myself > > but still here. > > > > At least I could look forward to a bit of rest but given the demand on > > your services 'on this side of the Jordan' there must be a fair old > > Que. up for you on the other side. And of course you will not get away > > with five or six generations anymore, they will expect you to go back > > to the Melisian Invasion. > > > > God man but I feel for you, I will only have to do the odd poem to > > keep people happy up there but you are going to have to head up a > > whole scriptorium, you will have a bigger set up than Innishfallen or > > Clonmacnaoise in their day within a few weeks of getting up there with > > at least fifty years of a waiting list. Get a good rest in first you > > are going to need it! > > > > With regard to poplar family names in general usage and true family > > names such as the example given in another recent post, it was quite > > common in the 18th, and 19th, century for families to operate as an > > extended unit, helping and supporting each other. Given a situation > > where say a half dozen members of a family bought in or married in to > > an area, by the third generation the same Lenihan or O'Connor ( to use > > my own townland as an example) were everywhere with repeating first > > names. > > > > Nick names such as 'Mary Pats' Long Dan' or 'Hairy Ned' came into > > their own and the there were designation that came from a specific > > area such as 'Patsy The Bogs' or 'The Western Den Tade's or Jamie The > > Cross.etc. Then there were the occupations, 'The Smiths' may be known > > as that for generations in an area but this was seldom their true > > family name. Likewise with 'The Coopers' or 'The Weavers' etc. > > > > It was not so much a matter of 'acceptable' names to authority, as an > > everyday need to distinguish who was who in a small region with dozens > > carrying the same family names. In the wide open spaces of America and > > the scattering, the secondary family names were unnecessary and > > usually fell into disuse after a generation or two. > > > > At home things were different, I was born in my grandmother's house in > > 49 in another parish to the one that I grew up in as the midwife lived > > just up the road. My maternal grandmother was a strong character so I > > will always be Dan, Biddy, Ellie, Jackie in that townland taking in my > > mother, grandmother and great-grandfather. > > > > To end on another note ( perhaps not the best choice of words) I am > > going into hospital to-morrow afternoon for a five hour operation on > > Wednesday. All should be O'K Please God but if not, I will start > > organizing things for Riobard up there so there and get copies of his > > records up from the US so there will be no delay when he gets there ! > > > > Slan is beannacht, Donal O' > > > > On 6/11/12, kerstentm@snowcrest.net <kerstentm@snowcrest.net> wrote: > > > Riobard, > > > Well, a very happy birthday to you! I'm visualizing you having > > > happy times with friends, long walks and the enjoyment of good > > > music in the time you have left. > > > And I rather suspect that when you get to heaven, that you > > > will be patted on the back by all those women, as they have > > > realized that age is irrelevant in heaven. You have done > > > so much good for us that I think you need to focus on the > > > positive side of the balance sheet. Theresa Kersten > > > (of Harrington-Uonhi, Harrington-Og, Murphy (from Kilmacowan > > > families) > > > > > > > > >> Please address all future queries with regard to research of all the > > >> Parishes of the Beara Peninsula (covering nearly 200 years), which was > > >> done > > >> for the past 50 years or so, to > > >> NEHGS, > > >> 101 Newbury St., > > >> Boston, > > >> Mass., > > >> USA > > >> I hope my research has helped many of you to find out your ancestry. I > > >> was > > >> 80 years old a few weeks ago, and from here on in I will have to > prepare > > >> to > > >> meet the Man Above, and answer to Him for all my sins ---- and > especially > > >> to ask His forgiveness for telling the ages of many women who will be > > >> glad > > >> to see the back of me from now on, and will again be able to reveal > their > > >> "true ages". For all those revelations, all I can say now is mea > culpa, > > >> mea > > >> culpa, mea maxima culpa to them as I prepare for my final resting > place > > >> in > > >> Gortnabulliga. Thank you all, the many good friends I have made over > the > > >> years. > > >> ----- Riobard. > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > >> in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. > > > http://www.snowcrest.net > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)*

About 8 days ago there was an email from Richard H Snowin whose grandfather was Chief Officer at Ballycrovane Coastguard Station at the time of the Irish Insurrection against Engish Rule, and who, with Petty Officer Brown was shot by my father Liam O'Dwyer in the gun battle during the raid on the Station by him, fellow Officer Christy O'Connell. and their fellow insurgents. Previous to the raid, the Station had been supplied with arms by the English, and the local insurgents were out to relieve them of those arms. The Fight for Freedom was on. My father's house had been burned by the Black & Tans (English soldiers), and the other younger members of his family had to sleep beside a fence outside the burned house He and some of his brothers, with some other local insurgents, were out fighting against the Black & Tans (English soldiers) at the time. After the supply of military arms to the English Officers and Marines in the Coastguard Station, the local insurgents under the Command of Christy O'Connell and my father Liam planned the raid. The storming party, including 4 sledgemen were to burst in the doors. Liam, with three other men were to attack the British Officers' quarters. One of the men had a shotgun with 2 cartridges; another had a shotgun with one cartridge; while Liam, one of the Officers, had a Colt revolver with 5 cartridges. Christy and his men were to attack the other 3 houses. On Sunday morning July 25th 1920, as the bell tolled for last Mass in Eyeries, the insurgents moved off down to the seashore, about 400 yards from the Station. When they got within 50 yards of the Station-yard wall, they had to crawl up an earthen, almost sheer, 60 feet cliff bank up to a long wall beside a low fence. Then, Liam and his men, and Christy and his men started rolling over their parts of the wall. "Beauts", the Officers' dog. started barking fiercely, and the Station Officers began loading their guns. As Mrs. Brown was screaming with terror, Officer Brown rushed in from the day room, and Liam shouted "Hands up ". Bur Officer Brown ignored everything but his duty. As his revolver was coming to a firing position, Liam fired at Officer Brown's arm over Mrs. Brown's shoulder, and as Officer Brown was falling, Liam noticed Chief Officer Snowin passing outside the day-room window to get Liam from the rear. A shot from Chief Officer Snowin crashed through the glass in front of Liam. Liam doubled around the centre-pillar of the two windows of the day-room. Chief Officer Snowin was firing to right and left of the pillar. "Kill now, or be killed" said Liam who gave quick peep around the pillar to see the position of Brown and Snowin. Brown was at the right-hand side of the window with Snowin crouched close to him. A bullet followed Liam's head as he crouched and fired without looking. He heard a thud and a groan, and Brown was dead. Then a shot to the right and a shot to the left ot Liam, as Liam crouched low, and another bullet came through where Snowin had throught a part of Liam's head was positioned. Liam, without looking, fired again from a higher position around the pillar. There was another thud, and Snowin was dead. Liam shouted to Christy to tell him that the two Officers were dead, but the marines who were firing at Christy kept on firing. Christy roared at them through the flying bullets that he would set fire to the Station unless they surrendered. They didn't surrender until Liam and another neighbouring insurgent pulled the bodies of the two British Officers out into the back yard, and it was only when the British marines saw the bodies of their dead comrades lying in the back yard that they then surrendered. Chief Officer Snowin and Officer Brown were two brave men fighting for their country, and our Insurgents were also brave men fighting for the freedom of their own country, Ireland. Such is war. ----- Riobard.

Delightful stories and history from both of ye! All the BEST to you donal, and to Riobard also-from CANADA. Reg O'Regan Volk ----- Original Message ----- From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Beara genealogical research > Riobard and all : one more mission story from childhood too good not to > share. > > Back then in the 50's men and women sat on different sides in the > church and one mission night was usually given over to 'sins of the > flesh' On the night concerned the missioner was in full flight about > sexual relations and all the trouble they caused in married life etc. > In fact as far as he was concerned married life would be much better > if sexual relations could be avoided all together. > > After the sermon men and women milled around in their own groups > outside the church gate for a gossip before heading off home. One > couple there were a little naive and when out of earshot, the woman, > obviously bothered about what she had just heard asked her husband, " > Tady, do we have sexual relations "? > > Tady answered, " I do not rightly know Joanie but if we have in my > side of the house anyway, they must be as troublesome as the missioner > said they were for my mother never asked them to our wedding !" > > Ah God, as I am sure Riobard will agree, a vanished Ireland and > innocent times indeed! > > Slan is beannacht, Donal O' > > On 6/12/12, donal O'Siodhachain <dospoet@gmail.com> wrote: >> Riobard and all: well got a bed anyway, in hospital and everything on >> schedule for to-morrow PG. >> >> Good story re heaven from my childhood, for those who do not know some >> sets for traditional dancing are eight and where space is tight a >> 'half set' is two couples of four people. On 'Mission Week' there were >> visiting priests and much pulpit thumping and oration about all manner >> of sins etc. Then on the last day after the mountainy men were herded >> in for confession, there was usually a mild mannered elderly priest >> brought on to preach on the joys of heaven and the bliss that awaited >> all. >> >> After one such Mission in in a local village the men coming from the >> creamery congregated as usual in the forge to discuss the happenings >> of the day and the sermon from the night before and the joys of Heaven >> and what the place could be like occupied all. The smith, a man of few >> words, meanwhile was getting with his work. He was finally asked for >> his opinion. >> >> He stopped, struck the anvil once with his hammer for emphasis and >> said, " forget about last night, after what I heard for the rest of >> the week there will not be enough from this parish 'going upstairs' to >> make up a half-set!" >> >> On 6/12/12, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: >>> To Donal for the success of his coming operation, and my thanks to all >>> who >>> sent me cards for my 21st + birthday >>> >>> --- !!!, ---- and thanks also >>> for their much-appreciated comments on my genealogical research work >>> over >>> the years >>> From that >>> tormentor re. some womens' "ages" (but in jocose fashion) >>> >>> ----- Riobard. >>> On 12 June 2012 15:06, Dianna Porter <porterdianna@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Riobard and Donal,You both make heaven sound like someplace to really >>>> look >>>> forward to. What positive attitudes. Good luck on your surgery, >>>> Donal, >>>> and many, many pleasurable years of enjoyment with Joan and your >>>> family, >>>> Riobard. We all have found our places in history through your research >>>> of >>>> our families. We are forever indebted to you. Dianna PorterButte, >>>> Montana >>>> > Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:45:16 +0100 >>>> > From: dospoet@gmail.com >>>> > To: beara@rootsweb.com >>>> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Beara genealogical research >>>> > >>>> > Riobard a chara uasal, a somewhat late happy birthday to you and I am >>>> > sure there will be many, many more to follow! Some weeks back there >>>> > was a chance that I could have been taking 'a trip upstairs' myself >>>> > but still here. >>>> > >>>> > At least I could look forward to a bit of rest but given the demand >>>> > on >>>> > your services 'on this side of the Jordan' there must be a fair old >>>> > Que. up for you on the other side. And of course you will not get >>>> > away >>>> > with five or six generations anymore, they will expect you to go back >>>> > to the Melisian Invasion. >>>> > >>>> > God man but I feel for you, I will only have to do the odd poem to >>>> > keep people happy up there but you are going to have to head up a >>>> > whole scriptorium, you will have a bigger set up than Innishfallen or >>>> > Clonmacnaoise in their day within a few weeks of getting up there >>>> > with >>>> > at least fifty years of a waiting list. Get a good rest in first you >>>> > are going to need it! >>>> > >>>> > With regard to poplar family names in general usage and true family >>>> > names such as the example given in another recent post, it was quite >>>> > common in the 18th, and 19th, century for families to operate as an >>>> > extended unit, helping and supporting each other. Given a situation >>>> > where say a half dozen members of a family bought in or married in to >>>> > an area, by the third generation the same Lenihan or O'Connor ( to >>>> > use >>>> > my own townland as an example) were everywhere with repeating first >>>> > names. >>>> > >>>> > Nick names such as 'Mary Pats' Long Dan' or 'Hairy Ned' came into >>>> > their own and the there were designation that came from a specific >>>> > area such as 'Patsy The Bogs' or 'The Western Den Tade's or Jamie >>>> > The >>>> > Cross.etc. Then there were the occupations, 'The Smiths' may be known >>>> > as that for generations in an area but this was seldom their true >>>> > family name. Likewise with 'The Coopers' or 'The Weavers' etc. >>>> > >>>> > It was not so much a matter of 'acceptable' names to authority, as an >>>> > everyday need to distinguish who was who in a small region with >>>> > dozens >>>> > carrying the same family names. In the wide open spaces of America >>>> > and >>>> > the scattering, the secondary family names were unnecessary and >>>> > usually fell into disuse after a generation or two. >>>> > >>>> > At home things were different, I was born in my grandmother's house >>>> > in >>>> > 49 in another parish to the one that I grew up in as the midwife >>>> > lived >>>> > just up the road. My maternal grandmother was a strong character so I >>>> > will always be Dan, Biddy, Ellie, Jackie in that townland taking in >>>> > my >>>> > mother, grandmother and great-grandfather. >>>> > >>>> > To end on another note ( perhaps not the best choice of words) I am >>>> > going into hospital to-morrow afternoon for a five hour operation on >>>> > Wednesday. All should be O'K Please God but if not, I will start >>>> > organizing things for Riobard up there so there and get copies of his >>>> > records up from the US so there will be no delay when he gets there ! >>>> > >>>> > Slan is beannacht, Donal O' >>>> > >>>> > On 6/11/12, kerstentm@snowcrest.net <kerstentm@snowcrest.net> wrote: >>>> > > Riobard, >>>> > > Well, a very happy birthday to you! I'm visualizing you >>>> > > having >>>> > > happy times with friends, long walks and the enjoyment of good >>>> > > music in the time you have left. >>>> > > And I rather suspect that when you get to heaven, that you >>>> > > will be patted on the back by all those women, as they have >>>> > > realized that age is irrelevant in heaven. You have done >>>> > > so much good for us that I think you need to focus on the >>>> > > positive side of the balance sheet. Theresa Kersten >>>> > > (of Harrington-Uonhi, Harrington-Og, Murphy (from Kilmacowan >>>> > > families) >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >> Please address all future queries with regard to research of all >>>> > >> the >>>> > >> Parishes of the Beara Peninsula (covering nearly 200 years), which >>>> > >> was >>>> > >> done >>>> > >> for the past 50 years or so, to >>>> > >> NEHGS, >>>> > >> 101 Newbury St., >>>> > >> Boston, >>>> > >> Mass., >>>> > >> USA >>>> > >> I hope my research has helped many of you to find out your >>>> > >> ancestry. >>>> > >> I >>>> > >> was >>>> > >> 80 years old a few weeks ago, and from here on in I will have to >>>> prepare >>>> > >> to >>>> > >> meet the Man Above, and answer to Him for all my sins ---- and >>>> especially >>>> > >> to ask His forgiveness for telling the ages of many women who will >>>> > >> be >>>> > >> glad >>>> > >> to see the back of me from now on, and will again be able to >>>> > >> reveal >>>> their >>>> > >> "true ages". For all those revelations, all I can say now is mea >>>> culpa, >>>> > >> mea >>>> > >> culpa, mea maxima culpa to them as I prepare for my final resting >>>> place >>>> > >> in >>>> > >> Gortnabulliga. Thank you all, the many good friends I have made >>>> > >> over >>>> the >>>> > >> years. >>>> > >> ----- Riobard. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> ------------------------------- >>>> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> > >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> > >> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > --------------------------------------------- >>>> > > This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. >>>> > > http://www.snowcrest.net >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > ------------------------------- >>>> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in >>>> > > the subject and the body of the message >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > ------------------------------- >>>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Riobard and Donal,You both make heaven sound like someplace to really look forward to. What positive attitudes. Good luck on your surgery, Donal, and many, many pleasurable years of enjoyment with Joan and your family, Riobard. We all have found our places in history through your research of our families. We are forever indebted to you. Dianna PorterButte, Montana > Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:45:16 +0100 > From: dospoet@gmail.com > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Beara genealogical research > > Riobard a chara uasal, a somewhat late happy birthday to you and I am > sure there will be many, many more to follow! Some weeks back there > was a chance that I could have been taking 'a trip upstairs' myself > but still here. > > At least I could look forward to a bit of rest but given the demand on > your services 'on this side of the Jordan' there must be a fair old > Que. up for you on the other side. And of course you will not get away > with five or six generations anymore, they will expect you to go back > to the Melisian Invasion. > > God man but I feel for you, I will only have to do the odd poem to > keep people happy up there but you are going to have to head up a > whole scriptorium, you will have a bigger set up than Innishfallen or > Clonmacnaoise in their day within a few weeks of getting up there with > at least fifty years of a waiting list. Get a good rest in first you > are going to need it! > > With regard to poplar family names in general usage and true family > names such as the example given in another recent post, it was quite > common in the 18th, and 19th, century for families to operate as an > extended unit, helping and supporting each other. Given a situation > where say a half dozen members of a family bought in or married in to > an area, by the third generation the same Lenihan or O'Connor ( to use > my own townland as an example) were everywhere with repeating first > names. > > Nick names such as 'Mary Pats' Long Dan' or 'Hairy Ned' came into > their own and the there were designation that came from a specific > area such as 'Patsy The Bogs' or 'The Western Den Tade's or Jamie The > Cross.etc. Then there were the occupations, 'The Smiths' may be known > as that for generations in an area but this was seldom their true > family name. Likewise with 'The Coopers' or 'The Weavers' etc. > > It was not so much a matter of 'acceptable' names to authority, as an > everyday need to distinguish who was who in a small region with dozens > carrying the same family names. In the wide open spaces of America and > the scattering, the secondary family names were unnecessary and > usually fell into disuse after a generation or two. > > At home things were different, I was born in my grandmother's house in > 49 in another parish to the one that I grew up in as the midwife lived > just up the road. My maternal grandmother was a strong character so I > will always be Dan, Biddy, Ellie, Jackie in that townland taking in my > mother, grandmother and great-grandfather. > > To end on another note ( perhaps not the best choice of words) I am > going into hospital to-morrow afternoon for a five hour operation on > Wednesday. All should be O'K Please God but if not, I will start > organizing things for Riobard up there so there and get copies of his > records up from the US so there will be no delay when he gets there ! > > Slan is beannacht, Donal O' > > On 6/11/12, kerstentm@snowcrest.net <kerstentm@snowcrest.net> wrote: > > Riobard, > > Well, a very happy birthday to you! I'm visualizing you having > > happy times with friends, long walks and the enjoyment of good > > music in the time you have left. > > And I rather suspect that when you get to heaven, that you > > will be patted on the back by all those women, as they have > > realized that age is irrelevant in heaven. You have done > > so much good for us that I think you need to focus on the > > positive side of the balance sheet. Theresa Kersten > > (of Harrington-Uonhi, Harrington-Og, Murphy (from Kilmacowan > > families) > > > > > >> Please address all future queries with regard to research of all the > >> Parishes of the Beara Peninsula (covering nearly 200 years), which was > >> done > >> for the past 50 years or so, to > >> NEHGS, > >> 101 Newbury St., > >> Boston, > >> Mass., > >> USA > >> I hope my research has helped many of you to find out your ancestry. I > >> was > >> 80 years old a few weeks ago, and from here on in I will have to prepare > >> to > >> meet the Man Above, and answer to Him for all my sins ---- and especially > >> to ask His forgiveness for telling the ages of many women who will be > >> glad > >> to see the back of me from now on, and will again be able to reveal their > >> "true ages". For all those revelations, all I can say now is mea culpa, > >> mea > >> culpa, mea maxima culpa to them as I prepare for my final resting place > >> in > >> Gortnabulliga. Thank you all, the many good friends I have made over the > >> years. > >> ----- Riobard. > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. > > http://www.snowcrest.net > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Riobard, It has been a very long time since I replied to any email but I want you to know that your hard, diligent work will live on long after you meet the "Man" and I know you will be honored by all the Beara folk who preceded you. Bless Your Heart and Soul from one who has benefited from your research. Also, very pleased you chose to Massachusetts (is there any more Irish city than Boston?) for the final resting place of your research. May you enjoy many, many more years of good health and happiness. Thank you from the bottom of my heart, Julie O'Hanley (pleased descendant of John Hanley, Castletownbere, and Honora Hurley Hanley, Allihies). On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com>wrote: > Please address all future queries with regard to research of all the > Parishes of the Beara Peninsula (covering nearly 200 years), which was done > for the past 50 years or so, to > NEHGS, > 101 Newbury St., > Boston, > Mass., > USA > I hope my research has helped many of you to find out your ancestry. I was > 80 years old a few weeks ago, and from here on in I will have to prepare to > meet the Man Above, and answer to Him for all my sins ---- and especially > to ask His forgiveness for telling the ages of many women who will be glad > to see the back of me from now on, and will again be able to reveal their > "true ages". For all those revelations, all I can say now is mea culpa, mea > culpa, mea maxima culpa to them as I prepare for my final resting place in > Gortnabulliga. Thank you all, the many good friends I have made over the > years. > ----- Riobard. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Good luck Donal, I will say a prayer for you, and good luck for a peaceful retirement Riobard!   So many of us will be eternally grateful for the family history links and the legends and for putting us back in touch with lost relatives. I have never heard of such an in-depth project, spanning so many years of work, which has produced so many results, for so many people, and touched so many lives, so a big thank you from us all, wherever we are in the world!    I hope the old ladies up in Heaven won't chase you out for revealing their skeletons in the closet, Riobard!  I expect you will be welcomed with open arms, and all the lost pieces which have puzzled you over the years will fall into place as you meet these lost legends of the old generations!   Good luck to you both, Riobard and Donal! With kind regards, Mary Mary Funnell Brighton,East Sussex ,England ________________________________ From: donal O'Siodhachain <dospoet@gmail.com> To: beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:45 Subject: Re: [BEARA] Beara genealogical research Riobard a chara uasal, a somewhat late happy birthday to you and I am sure there will be many, many more to follow! Some weeks back there was a chance that I could have been taking 'a trip upstairs' myself but still here. At least I could look forward to a bit of rest but given the demand on your services 'on this side of the Jordan' there must be a fair old Que. up for you on the other side. And of course you will not get away with five or six generations anymore, they will expect you to go back to the Melisian Invasion. God man but  I feel for you, I will only have to do the odd poem to keep people happy up there but you are going to have to head up a whole scriptorium, you will have a bigger set up than Innishfallen or Clonmacnaoise in their day within a few weeks of getting up there with at least fifty years of a waiting list. Get a good rest in first you are going to need it! With regard to poplar family names in general usage and true family names such as the example given in another recent post, it was quite common in the 18th, and 19th, century for families to operate as an extended unit, helping and supporting each other. Given a situation where say a half dozen members of a family bought in or married in to an area, by the third generation the same Lenihan or O'Connor ( to use my own townland as an example) were everywhere with repeating first names. Nick names such as 'Mary Pats' Long Dan' or 'Hairy Ned' came into their own and the there were designation that came from a specific area such as 'Patsy The Bogs'  or 'The Western Den Tade's or Jamie The Cross.etc. Then there were the occupations, 'The Smiths' may be known as that for generations in an area but this was seldom their true family name. Likewise with 'The Coopers' or 'The Weavers' etc. It was not so much a matter of 'acceptable' names to authority, as an everyday need to distinguish who was who in a small region with dozens carrying the same family names. In the wide open spaces of America and the scattering, the secondary family names were unnecessary and usually fell into disuse after a generation or two. At home things were different, I was born in my grandmother's house in 49 in another parish to the one that I grew up in as the midwife lived just up the road. My maternal grandmother was a strong character so I will always be Dan, Biddy, Ellie, Jackie in that townland taking in my mother, grandmother and great-grandfather. To end on another note ( perhaps not the best choice of words) I am going into hospital to-morrow afternoon for a five hour operation on Wednesday. All should be O'K Please God but if not, I will start organizing things for Riobard up there so there and get copies of his records up from the US so there will be no delay when he gets there ! Slan is beannacht, Donal O' On 6/11/12, kerstentm@snowcrest.net <kerstentm@snowcrest.net> wrote: >  Riobard, >      Well, a very happy birthday to you!  I'm visualizing you having >  happy times with friends, long walks and the enjoyment of good >  music in the time you have left. >    And I rather suspect that when you get to heaven, that you >  will be patted on the back by all those women, as they have >  realized that age is irrelevant in heaven.  You have done >  so much good for us that I think you need to focus on the >  positive side of the balance sheet.  Theresa Kersten >      (of Harrington-Uonhi, Harrington-Og, Murphy (from Kilmacowan >  families) > > >> Please address all future queries with regard to research of all the >> Parishes of the Beara Peninsula (covering nearly 200 years), which was >> done >> for the past 50 years or so, to >>      NEHGS, >>        101 Newbury St., >>            Boston, >>              Mass., >>                    USA >> I hope my research has helped many of you to find out your ancestry. I >> was >> 80 years old a few weeks ago, and from here on in I will have to prepare >> to >> meet the Man Above, and answer to Him for all my sins ---- and especially >> to ask His forgiveness for telling the ages of many women who will be >> glad >> to see the back of me from now on, and will again be able to reveal their >> "true ages". For all those revelations, all I can say now is mea culpa, >> mea >> culpa, mea maxima culpa to them as I prepare for my final resting place >> in >> Gortnabulliga.  Thank you all, the many good friends I have made over the >> years. >>                          ----- Riobard. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. > http://www.snowcrest.net > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Riobard a chara uasal, a somewhat late happy birthday to you and I am sure there will be many, many more to follow! Some weeks back there was a chance that I could have been taking 'a trip upstairs' myself but still here. At least I could look forward to a bit of rest but given the demand on your services 'on this side of the Jordan' there must be a fair old Que. up for you on the other side. And of course you will not get away with five or six generations anymore, they will expect you to go back to the Melisian Invasion. God man but I feel for you, I will only have to do the odd poem to keep people happy up there but you are going to have to head up a whole scriptorium, you will have a bigger set up than Innishfallen or Clonmacnaoise in their day within a few weeks of getting up there with at least fifty years of a waiting list. Get a good rest in first you are going to need it! With regard to poplar family names in general usage and true family names such as the example given in another recent post, it was quite common in the 18th, and 19th, century for families to operate as an extended unit, helping and supporting each other. Given a situation where say a half dozen members of a family bought in or married in to an area, by the third generation the same Lenihan or O'Connor ( to use my own townland as an example) were everywhere with repeating first names. Nick names such as 'Mary Pats' Long Dan' or 'Hairy Ned' came into their own and the there were designation that came from a specific area such as 'Patsy The Bogs' or 'The Western Den Tade's or Jamie The Cross.etc. Then there were the occupations, 'The Smiths' may be known as that for generations in an area but this was seldom their true family name. Likewise with 'The Coopers' or 'The Weavers' etc. It was not so much a matter of 'acceptable' names to authority, as an everyday need to distinguish who was who in a small region with dozens carrying the same family names. In the wide open spaces of America and the scattering, the secondary family names were unnecessary and usually fell into disuse after a generation or two. At home things were different, I was born in my grandmother's house in 49 in another parish to the one that I grew up in as the midwife lived just up the road. My maternal grandmother was a strong character so I will always be Dan, Biddy, Ellie, Jackie in that townland taking in my mother, grandmother and great-grandfather. To end on another note ( perhaps not the best choice of words) I am going into hospital to-morrow afternoon for a five hour operation on Wednesday. All should be O'K Please God but if not, I will start organizing things for Riobard up there so there and get copies of his records up from the US so there will be no delay when he gets there ! Slan is beannacht, Donal O' On 6/11/12, kerstentm@snowcrest.net <kerstentm@snowcrest.net> wrote: > Riobard, > Well, a very happy birthday to you! I'm visualizing you having > happy times with friends, long walks and the enjoyment of good > music in the time you have left. > And I rather suspect that when you get to heaven, that you > will be patted on the back by all those women, as they have > realized that age is irrelevant in heaven. You have done > so much good for us that I think you need to focus on the > positive side of the balance sheet. Theresa Kersten > (of Harrington-Uonhi, Harrington-Og, Murphy (from Kilmacowan > families) > > >> Please address all future queries with regard to research of all the >> Parishes of the Beara Peninsula (covering nearly 200 years), which was >> done >> for the past 50 years or so, to >> NEHGS, >> 101 Newbury St., >> Boston, >> Mass., >> USA >> I hope my research has helped many of you to find out your ancestry. I >> was >> 80 years old a few weeks ago, and from here on in I will have to prepare >> to >> meet the Man Above, and answer to Him for all my sins ---- and especially >> to ask His forgiveness for telling the ages of many women who will be >> glad >> to see the back of me from now on, and will again be able to reveal their >> "true ages". For all those revelations, all I can say now is mea culpa, >> mea >> culpa, mea maxima culpa to them as I prepare for my final resting place >> in >> Gortnabulliga. Thank you all, the many good friends I have made over the >> years. >> ----- Riobard. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. > http://www.snowcrest.net > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

Please address all future queries with regard to research of all the Parishes of the Beara Peninsula (covering nearly 200 years), which was done for the past 50 years or so, to NEHGS, 101 Newbury St., Boston, Mass., USA I hope my research has helped many of you to find out your ancestry. I was 80 years old a few weeks ago, and from here on in I will have to prepare to meet the Man Above, and answer to Him for all my sins ---- and especially to ask His forgiveness for telling the ages of many women who will be glad to see the back of me from now on, and will again be able to reveal their "true ages". For all those revelations, all I can say now is mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa to them as I prepare for my final resting place in Gortnabulliga. Thank you all, the many good friends I have made over the years. ----- Riobard.

I'm still unconvinced that you will be willing to go -- more of "The Lord's Work" to finish!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com> To: beara <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Jun 11, 2012 3:21 pm Subject: [BEARA] Beara genealogical research Please address all future queries with regard to research of all the arishes of the Beara Peninsula (covering nearly 200 years), which was done or the past 50 years or so, to NEHGS, 101 Newbury St., Boston, Mass., USA hope my research has helped many of you to find out your ancestry. I was 0 years old a few weeks ago, and from here on in I will have to prepare to eet the Man Above, and answer to Him for all my sins ---- and especially o ask His forgiveness for telling the ages of many women who will be glad o see the back of me from now on, and will again be able to reveal their true ages". For all those revelations, all I can say now is mea culpa, mea ulpa, mea maxima culpa to them as I prepare for my final resting place in ortnabulliga. Thank you all, the many good friends I have made over the ears. ----- Riobard. ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Donal, best wishes for tomorrow! I will be thinking of you from Maine. Sue PS. I just received from Wales death certificates for my 3rd great grandparents (they are from Timoleague area).

My Uhoni ancestor used the name Daniel Harrington in Pennsylvanian in 1842 and Uhoni in 1847 in an Allihies church record after he had returned to the Beara, He was then Harrington again on the boat manifest back to America in 1848. Beginning in 1850 in Fall River, Massachusetts they used Harrington - and then forever more. Clearly in the US, Harrington would be easier to use the name Harrington among the Anglo locals. The usage thus seems to be situational. ED FOLEY In a message dated 6/8/2012 7:33:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time, patrick@shea58.freeserve.co.uk writes: Hi Theresa, all, I'm not suprised about the confusion with branch names. My great great grandfather, Philip Harrington (Uonhi)'s first born child was baptised Daniel Ouney. The next three children were 'Ounies' on their baptisimal certificates, children 5-9 were Sullivan and the 10th child was Harrington. All the children were from the same marriage and were born between 1851 and 1872. I guess this is not a unique situation and one must bear these oddities in mind when researching the records Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Gawne" <gawne@cesmail.net> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Branch Names for LYNCH & SHEA - Glengarriff > Hi Theresa, all, > > Theresa writes: >> Now I'm a little confused. Are the sept names the original >> tribe names? > > Sometimes, but not always. > >> My Harrington Uohni ancestors went by Uohni >> until my great grandparent's generation and I'd understand >> (or thought I did) that Uohni was the old tribal name. > > Yes. There are also O'Sullivan Uohni people, who have common > ancestors with the Harrington Uohni people. But there's no clear rule > that applies in all cases. We can't say that a particular branch name > always maps to some ancient tribal affiliation. Irish branch names > are a mixed bag, with no more onomastic consistency than Roman > cognomina -- the "branch names" of Roman families, such as Brutus and > Aurelius and Caesar. > >> I notice a lot of name changing in the 19th century. Was >> there a historical reason for that? Thanks, Theresa > > I suspect there was, but I'm not clear on what was going on. My > speculation is that it had something to do with the Gaelic League and > its desire to foster a sense of Irish identity among the Irish people. > But I certainly won't pretend to say that with any certainty. > > > -- Bill > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Riobard, Well, a very happy birthday to you! I'm visualizing you having happy times with friends, long walks and the enjoyment of good music in the time you have left. And I rather suspect that when you get to heaven, that you will be patted on the back by all those women, as they have realized that age is irrelevant in heaven. You have done so much good for us that I think you need to focus on the positive side of the balance sheet. Theresa Kersten (of Harrington-Uonhi, Harrington-Og, Murphy (from Kilmacowan families) > Please address all future queries with regard to research of all the > Parishes of the Beara Peninsula (covering nearly 200 years), which was > done > for the past 50 years or so, to > NEHGS, > 101 Newbury St., > Boston, > Mass., > USA > I hope my research has helped many of you to find out your ancestry. I was > 80 years old a few weeks ago, and from here on in I will have to prepare > to > meet the Man Above, and answer to Him for all my sins ---- and especially > to ask His forgiveness for telling the ages of many women who will be glad > to see the back of me from now on, and will again be able to reveal their > "true ages". For all those revelations, all I can say now is mea culpa, > mea > culpa, mea maxima culpa to them as I prepare for my final resting place in > Gortnabulliga. Thank you all, the many good friends I have made over the > years. > ----- Riobard. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. http://www.snowcrest.net

Hi Theresa, all, I'm not suprised about the confusion with branch names. My great great grandfather, Philip Harrington (Uonhi)'s first born child was baptised Daniel Ouney. The next three children were 'Ounies' on their baptisimal certificates, children 5-9 were Sullivan and the 10th child was Harrington. All the children were from the same marriage and were born between 1851 and 1872. I guess this is not a unique situation and one must bear these oddities in mind when researching the records Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Gawne" <gawne@cesmail.net> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Branch Names for LYNCH & SHEA - Glengarriff > Hi Theresa, all, > > Theresa writes: >> Now I'm a little confused. Are the sept names the original >> tribe names? > > Sometimes, but not always. > >> My Harrington Uohni ancestors went by Uohni >> until my great grandparent's generation and I'd understand >> (or thought I did) that Uohni was the old tribal name. > > Yes. There are also O'Sullivan Uohni people, who have common > ancestors with the Harrington Uohni people. But there's no clear rule > that applies in all cases. We can't say that a particular branch name > always maps to some ancient tribal affiliation. Irish branch names > are a mixed bag, with no more onomastic consistency than Roman > cognomina -- the "branch names" of Roman families, such as Brutus and > Aurelius and Caesar. > >> I notice a lot of name changing in the 19th century. Was >> there a historical reason for that? Thanks, Theresa > > I suspect there was, but I'm not clear on what was going on. My > speculation is that it had something to do with the Gaelic League and > its desire to foster a sense of Irish identity among the Irish people. > But I certainly won't pretend to say that with any certainty. > > > -- Bill > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message