I remember the old folks on moms side talking about the Earl of Duhallow. The only thing I recall is that he was supposedly the cause of the saying "drunk as a lord." I believe he was from Donal's neck of the woods. Pat Sullivan ----------Original Message---------- From: Mary Sullivan Date: Jul 12, 2012 1:44:36 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Lord Landsdowne question To: mmduffy@mindspring.com Cc: beara@rootsweb.com Margaret and All, There is a fascinating article easily Googled entitled "From Famine to Five Points: Lord Landsdownes Irish Tenants Encounter North America's Most Notorious Slum." The author is Tyler Anbinder. The magazine is The American Historical Review. April 2002 issue. Pat Sullivan On 07/11/12, Margaret Duffy<[1]mmduffy@mindspring.com> wrote: Thanks to Donal and to the other folks who have contributed information. It certainly appears that some Beara ancestors did contribute to the income that provided the Marquis of Landsdowne (family name Petty-Fitzmaurice) with the wherewithal to pay for a townhouse designed by Robert Adam. This isn't the Lord Landsdowne who was the War Secretary in Lord Salisbury's cabinet, but it was his father or grandfather. The War Secretary Lord Landsdowne is, however, the founder of Dereen Gardens at Lauragh. You can see the Landsdowne House dining room here [1][2]http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/galleries/european-sculpture-and- dec orative-arts/515 I first discovered it one afternoon when I was 4 or 5 and my father and I met my mother (who had a doctor's appointment nearby) at the Metropolitan. Wandering the galleries (something I still do quite often) we came across it. It really made an impression on me. Something about its cool and somewhat remote elegance appealed to me and still does. You can read more about it here [2][3]http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/lans/hd_lans.htm The rest of us seem to have been contributors to Lord Bantry's income and, therefore, provided the funds for Bantry House (family name White), which is an interesting house to visit and also has a magnificent dining room, but a very different one [3][4]http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dining_Room_Bantry_House.JPG Maggie ----- Original Message ----- From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <[4][5]dospoet@gmail.com> To: <[5][6]beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Lord Landsdowne question > Hi Margret, > > here are some additional, if rather skimpy detail on the second part of > your query regarding The Earl Of Bantry Estate. The first reference is > worth perusal by our general readership also, scroll down to the extensive > list of 'Big Houses' and bear in mind that these houses were raised when > the mass of the Catholic/ Nationalist Irish people were reduced to abject > poverty with every possible last shilling bled out of those in tenancies > by rack rents. > > [6][7]http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.j sp? id=2804 > > > The Earl of Bantry's estate was among the principal lessors in the parishes > of Fanlobbus, barony of East Carbery, Kilcaskan, Kilcatherine, > Killaconenagh and Kilnamanagh, barony of Bear and Durrus and Kilmocomoge, > barony of Bantry at the same time. In November 1853, over 33,000 acres of > the Bantry estate in the baronies of East Carbery, Bantry and Bere, were > offered for sale in the Encumbered Estates Court. > > My Beara files are in another computer, hopefully this can act as a > starting point for you. I do have a full list of the Earl of Bantry's > holdings somewhere but sadly for you it's a case of 'not tonight > Josephine' ! > > Slan is beannacht Donal O' > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:42 PM, LT REED <[7][8]mreed99439@verizon.net> wrote: > >> Margaret I remember years ago asking Riobard O who was the landlord in >> Castletownbere. And I think he told me Lord Bantry. >> >> Margaret Reed >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Margaret Duffy" <[8][9]mmduffy@mindspring.com> >> To: <[9][10]beara@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:24 PM >> Subject: [BEARA] Lord Landsdowne question >> >> >> > I'm currently reading The Proud Tower Barbara Tuchman's history of Europe >> > in the 1890s and have come upon her comments about Lord Landsdowne, who >> > was Secretary for War in the cabinet of Lord Salsbury at the time. The >> > reference caused me to wonder where the dividing line between the estates >> > of Lord Landsdowne (based in Kenmare) and Lord Bantry (based in Bantry) >> > was. Does anyone know who was the "landlord" of the areas around >> > Castletownbere and Eyeries, for instance? >> > >> > I've always been a bit curious about this question (sort of in the back >> of >> > my brain) because the nearby Metropolitan Museum has a beautiful English >> > period room from Landsdowne House. It's been my favorite among the >> > English period rooms since I was a small child. And I've often wondered >> > if my own ancestors "rents" helped to pay for it. >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> > Maggie Duffy, NY and Inchenteskin >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [10][11]BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> > in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [11][12]BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [12][13]BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [13][14]BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. [15]http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/galleries/european-sculpture-and-de corative-arts/515 2. [16]http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/lans/hd_lans.htm 3. [17]http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dining_Room_Bantry_House.JPG 4. [18]mailto:dospoet@gmail.com 5. [19]mailto:beara@rootsweb.com 6. [20]http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp ?id=2804 7. [21]mailto:mreed99439@verizon.net 8. [22]mailto:mmduffy@mindspring.com 9. [23]mailto:beara@rootsweb.com 10. [24]mailto:BEARA-request@rootsweb.com 11. [25]mailto:BEARA-request@rootsweb.com 12. [26]mailto:BEARA-request@rootsweb.com 13. [27]mailto:BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [28]BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:mmduffy@mindspring.com 2. http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/galleries/european-sculpture-and-dec 3. http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/lans/hd_lans.htm 4. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dining_Room_Bantry_House.JPG 5. mailto:dospoet@gmail.com 6. mailto:beara@rootsweb.com 7. http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp? 8. mailto:mreed99439@verizon.net 9. mailto:mmduffy@mindspring.com 10. mailto:beara@rootsweb.com 11. mailto:BEARA-request@rootsweb.com 12. mailto:BEARA-request@rootsweb.com 13. mailto:BEARA-request@rootsweb.com 14. mailto:BEARA-request@rootsweb.com 15. http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/galleries/european-sculpture-and-decorative-arts/515 16. http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/lans/hd_lans.htm 17. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dining_Room_Bantry_House.JPG 18. mailto:dospoet@gmail.com 19. mailto:beara@rootsweb.com 20. http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=2804 21. mailto:mreed99439@verizon.net 22. mailto:mmduffy@mindspring.com 23. mailto:beara@rootsweb.com 24. mailto:BEARA-request@rootsweb.com 25. mailto:BEARA-request@rootsweb.com 26. mailto:BEARA-request@rootsweb.com 27. mailto:BEARA-request@rootsweb.com 28. mailto:BEARA-request@rootsweb.com

Margaret and All, There is a fascinating article easily Googled entitled "From Famine to Five Points: Lord Landsdownes Irish Tenants Encounter North America's Most Notorious Slum." The author is Tyler Anbinder. The magazine is The American Historical Review. April 2002 issue. Pat Sullivan On 07/11/12, Margaret Duffy<mmduffy@mindspring.com> wrote: Thanks to Donal and to the other folks who have contributed information. It certainly appears that some Beara ancestors did contribute to the income that provided the Marquis of Landsdowne (family name Petty-Fitzmaurice) with the wherewithal to pay for a townhouse designed by Robert Adam. This isn't the Lord Landsdowne who was the War Secretary in Lord Salisbury's cabinet, but it was his father or grandfather. The War Secretary Lord Landsdowne is, however, the founder of Dereen Gardens at Lauragh. You can see the Landsdowne House dining room here [1]http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/galleries/european-sculpture-and-dec orative-arts/515 I first discovered it one afternoon when I was 4 or 5 and my father and I met my mother (who had a doctor's appointment nearby) at the Metropolitan. Wandering the galleries (something I still do quite often) we came across it. It really made an impression on me. Something about its cool and somewhat remote elegance appealed to me and still does. You can read more about it here [2]http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/lans/hd_lans.htm The rest of us seem to have been contributors to Lord Bantry's income and, therefore, provided the funds for Bantry House (family name White), which is an interesting house to visit and also has a magnificent dining room, but a very different one [3]http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dining_Room_Bantry_House.JPG Maggie ----- Original Message ----- From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <[4]dospoet@gmail.com> To: <[5]beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Lord Landsdowne question > Hi Margret, > > here are some additional, if rather skimpy detail on the second part of > your query regarding The Earl Of Bantry Estate. The first reference is > worth perusal by our general readership also, scroll down to the extensive > list of 'Big Houses' and bear in mind that these houses were raised when > the mass of the Catholic/ Nationalist Irish people were reduced to abject > poverty with every possible last shilling bled out of those in tenancies > by rack rents. > > [6]http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp? id=2804 > > > The Earl of Bantry's estate was among the principal lessors in the parishes > of Fanlobbus, barony of East Carbery, Kilcaskan, Kilcatherine, > Killaconenagh and Kilnamanagh, barony of Bear and Durrus and Kilmocomoge, > barony of Bantry at the same time. In November 1853, over 33,000 acres of > the Bantry estate in the baronies of East Carbery, Bantry and Bere, were > offered for sale in the Encumbered Estates Court. > > My Beara files are in another computer, hopefully this can act as a > starting point for you. I do have a full list of the Earl of Bantry's > holdings somewhere but sadly for you it's a case of 'not tonight > Josephine' ! > > Slan is beannacht Donal O' > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:42 PM, LT REED <[7]mreed99439@verizon.net> wrote: > >> Margaret I remember years ago asking Riobard O who was the landlord in >> Castletownbere. And I think he told me Lord Bantry. >> >> Margaret Reed >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Margaret Duffy" <[8]mmduffy@mindspring.com> >> To: <[9]beara@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:24 PM >> Subject: [BEARA] Lord Landsdowne question >> >> >> > I'm currently reading The Proud Tower Barbara Tuchman's history of Europe >> > in the 1890s and have come upon her comments about Lord Landsdowne, who >> > was Secretary for War in the cabinet of Lord Salsbury at the time. The >> > reference caused me to wonder where the dividing line between the estates >> > of Lord Landsdowne (based in Kenmare) and Lord Bantry (based in Bantry) >> > was. Does anyone know who was the "landlord" of the areas around >> > Castletownbere and Eyeries, for instance? >> > >> > I've always been a bit curious about this question (sort of in the back >> of >> > my brain) because the nearby Metropolitan Museum has a beautiful English >> > period room from Landsdowne House. It's been my favorite among the >> > English period rooms since I was a small child. And I've often wondered >> > if my own ancestors "rents" helped to pay for it. >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> > Maggie Duffy, NY and Inchenteskin >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [10]BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> > in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [11]BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [12]BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [13]BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/galleries/european-sculpture-and-decorative-arts/515 2. http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/lans/hd_lans.htm 3. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dining_Room_Bantry_House.JPG 4. mailto:dospoet@gmail.com 5. mailto:beara@rootsweb.com 6. http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=2804 7. mailto:mreed99439@verizon.net 8. mailto:mmduffy@mindspring.com 9. mailto:beara@rootsweb.com 10. mailto:BEARA-request@rootsweb.com 11. mailto:BEARA-request@rootsweb.com 12. mailto:BEARA-request@rootsweb.com 13. mailto:BEARA-request@rootsweb.com

Hi Margret and all : a slight digression but never the less not entirely out of context with the subject matter of the post. ' Big House', families what are left of them, usually keep a low profile in financial matters, convention has it that ' new money is loud, old money is silent ' ! The contents of Congreve house were sold yesterday and the day before in a large tent auction at Waterford on the lawn of the Mansion, it put on public display the unreal wealth and luxury of living conditions for these privileged elites. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0630/1224319008144.html Lady Congreve once famously remarked that " one should always have two Rolls Royces should one break down " and she also had a brace of Bentleys for a back up ! Incidentally as for 'Austerity Ireland', it was not too much in evidence at the auction, plenty of domestic interest. A 1969 Rolls Royce with silver plated ash trays and its own drinks decanters and glasses cabinet, deep pile carpet etc. was bought for € 46,000 and described as " an absolute bargain " by the new Dublin owner who had seen off several telephone bidders to prolonged applause in the auction tent when his final bid was successful ! This is the auction catalogue for the 'Big House' contents and, oh boy, do these guys know how to pull out all the stops to produce one when the occasion requires and there are a few million Euros floating around. No doubt you all will also be pleased to note that the auction prices individually and collectively well exceeded pre-auction expectations. http://www.mealys.com/fineart/documents/GeorgeMealylores.pdf Recession, what recession ? I just hope that the International Monetary Fund or our German pay Mistress Angela are not reading Beara roots, if they are we are all in big trouble here in Ireland. Slan is beannacht, Donal O' On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Margaret Duffy <mmduffy@mindspring.com>wrote: > Thanks to Donal and to the other folks who have contributed information. > It certainly appears that some Beara ancestors did contribute to the > income that provided the Marquis of Landsdowne (family name > Petty-Fitzmaurice) with the wherewithal to pay for a townhouse designed by > Robert Adam. This isn't the Lord Landsdowne who was the War Secretary in > Lord Salisbury's cabinet, but it was his father or grandfather. The War > Secretary Lord Landsdowne is, however, the founder of Dereen Gardens at > Lauragh. > > You can see the Landsdowne House dining room here > http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/galleries/european-sculpture-and-decorative-arts/515 I first discovered it one afternoon when I was 4 or 5 and my father and I > met my mother (who had a doctor's appointment nearby) at the Metropolitan. > Wandering the galleries (something I still do quite often) we came across > it. It really made an impression on me. Something about its cool and > somewhat remote elegance appealed to me and still does. You can read more > about it here http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/lans/hd_lans.htm > > The rest of us seem to have been contributors to Lord Bantry's income and, > therefore, provided the funds for Bantry House (family name White), which > is an interesting house to visit and also has a magnificent dining room, > but a very different one > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dining_Room_Bantry_House.JPG > > Maggie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> > To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:13 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Lord Landsdowne question > > > > Hi Margret, > > > > here are some additional, if rather skimpy detail on the second part of > > your query regarding The Earl Of Bantry Estate. The first reference is > > worth perusal by our general readership also, scroll down to the > extensive > > list of 'Big Houses' and bear in mind that these houses were raised when > > the mass of the Catholic/ Nationalist Irish people were reduced to abject > > poverty with every possible last shilling bled out of those in tenancies > > by rack rents. > > > > > http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=2804 > > > > > > The Earl of Bantry's estate was among the principal lessors in the > parishes > > of Fanlobbus, barony of East Carbery, Kilcaskan, Kilcatherine, > > Killaconenagh and Kilnamanagh, barony of Bear and Durrus and Kilmocomoge, > > barony of Bantry at the same time. In November 1853, over 33,000 acres of > > the Bantry estate in the baronies of East Carbery, Bantry and Bere, were > > offered for sale in the Encumbered Estates Court. > > > > My Beara files are in another computer, hopefully this can act as a > > starting point for you. I do have a full list of the Earl of Bantry's > > holdings somewhere but sadly for you it's a case of 'not tonight > > Josephine' ! > > > > Slan is beannacht Donal O' > > > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:42 PM, LT REED <mreed99439@verizon.net> wrote: > > > >> Margaret I remember years ago asking Riobard O who was the landlord in > >> Castletownbere. And I think he told me Lord Bantry. > >> > >> Margaret Reed > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Margaret Duffy" <mmduffy@mindspring.com> > >> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:24 PM > >> Subject: [BEARA] Lord Landsdowne question > >> > >> > >> > I'm currently reading The Proud Tower Barbara Tuchman's history of > Europe > >> > in the 1890s and have come upon her comments about Lord Landsdowne, > who > >> > was Secretary for War in the cabinet of Lord Salsbury at the time. > The > >> > reference caused me to wonder where the dividing line between the > estates > >> > of Lord Landsdowne (based in Kenmare) and Lord Bantry (based in > Bantry) > >> > was. Does anyone know who was the "landlord" of the areas around > >> > Castletownbere and Eyeries, for instance? > >> > > >> > I've always been a bit curious about this question (sort of in the > back > >> of > >> > my brain) because the nearby Metropolitan Museum has a beautiful > English > >> > period room from Landsdowne House. It's been my favorite among the > >> > English period rooms since I was a small child. And I've often > wondered > >> > if my own ancestors "rents" helped to pay for it. > >> > > >> > Thanks. > >> > > >> > Maggie Duffy, NY and Inchenteskin > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes > >> > in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Margret, here are some additional, if rather skimpy detail on the second part of your query regarding The Earl Of Bantry Estate. The first reference is worth perusal by our general readership also, scroll down to the extensive list of 'Big Houses' and bear in mind that these houses were raised when the mass of the Catholic/ Nationalist Irish people were reduced to abject poverty with every possible last shilling bled out of those in tenancies by rack rents. http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=2804 The Earl of Bantry's estate was among the principal lessors in the parishes of Fanlobbus, barony of East Carbery, Kilcaskan, Kilcatherine, Killaconenagh and Kilnamanagh, barony of Bear and Durrus and Kilmocomoge, barony of Bantry at the same time. In November 1853, over 33,000 acres of the Bantry estate in the baronies of East Carbery, Bantry and Bere, were offered for sale in the Encumbered Estates Court. My Beara files are in another computer, hopefully this can act as a starting point for you. I do have a full list of the Earl of Bantry's holdings somewhere but sadly for you it's a case of 'not tonight Josephine' ! Slan is beannacht Donal O' On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:42 PM, LT REED <mreed99439@verizon.net> wrote: > Margaret I remember years ago asking Riobard O who was the landlord in > Castletownbere. And I think he told me Lord Bantry. > > Margaret Reed > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret Duffy" <mmduffy@mindspring.com> > To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:24 PM > Subject: [BEARA] Lord Landsdowne question > > > > I'm currently reading The Proud Tower Barbara Tuchman's history of Europe > > in the 1890s and have come upon her comments about Lord Landsdowne, who > > was Secretary for War in the cabinet of Lord Salsbury at the time. The > > reference caused me to wonder where the dividing line between the estates > > of Lord Landsdowne (based in Kenmare) and Lord Bantry (based in Bantry) > > was. Does anyone know who was the "landlord" of the areas around > > Castletownbere and Eyeries, for instance? > > > > I've always been a bit curious about this question (sort of in the back > of > > my brain) because the nearby Metropolitan Museum has a beautiful English > > period room from Landsdowne House. It's been my favorite among the > > English period rooms since I was a small child. And I've often wondered > > if my own ancestors "rents" helped to pay for it. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Maggie Duffy, NY and Inchenteskin > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks to Donal and to the other folks who have contributed information. It certainly appears that some Beara ancestors did contribute to the income that provided the Marquis of Landsdowne (family name Petty-Fitzmaurice) with the wherewithal to pay for a townhouse designed by Robert Adam. This isn't the Lord Landsdowne who was the War Secretary in Lord Salisbury's cabinet, but it was his father or grandfather. The War Secretary Lord Landsdowne is, however, the founder of Dereen Gardens at Lauragh. You can see the Landsdowne House dining room here http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/galleries/european-sculpture-and-decorative-arts/515 I first discovered it one afternoon when I was 4 or 5 and my father and I met my mother (who had a doctor's appointment nearby) at the Metropolitan. Wandering the galleries (something I still do quite often) we came across it. It really made an impression on me. Something about its cool and somewhat remote elegance appealed to me and still does. You can read more about it here http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/lans/hd_lans.htm The rest of us seem to have been contributors to Lord Bantry's income and, therefore, provided the funds for Bantry House (family name White), which is an interesting house to visit and also has a magnificent dining room, but a very different one http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dining_Room_Bantry_House.JPG Maggie ----- Original Message ----- From: "donal O'Siodhachain" <dospoet@gmail.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Lord Landsdowne question > Hi Margret, > > here are some additional, if rather skimpy detail on the second part of > your query regarding The Earl Of Bantry Estate. The first reference is > worth perusal by our general readership also, scroll down to the extensive > list of 'Big Houses' and bear in mind that these houses were raised when > the mass of the Catholic/ Nationalist Irish people were reduced to abject > poverty with every possible last shilling bled out of those in tenancies > by rack rents. > > http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=2804 > > > The Earl of Bantry's estate was among the principal lessors in the parishes > of Fanlobbus, barony of East Carbery, Kilcaskan, Kilcatherine, > Killaconenagh and Kilnamanagh, barony of Bear and Durrus and Kilmocomoge, > barony of Bantry at the same time. In November 1853, over 33,000 acres of > the Bantry estate in the baronies of East Carbery, Bantry and Bere, were > offered for sale in the Encumbered Estates Court. > > My Beara files are in another computer, hopefully this can act as a > starting point for you. I do have a full list of the Earl of Bantry's > holdings somewhere but sadly for you it's a case of 'not tonight > Josephine' ! > > Slan is beannacht Donal O' > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:42 PM, LT REED <mreed99439@verizon.net> wrote: > >> Margaret I remember years ago asking Riobard O who was the landlord in >> Castletownbere. And I think he told me Lord Bantry. >> >> Margaret Reed >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Margaret Duffy" <mmduffy@mindspring.com> >> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:24 PM >> Subject: [BEARA] Lord Landsdowne question >> >> >> > I'm currently reading The Proud Tower Barbara Tuchman's history of Europe >> > in the 1890s and have come upon her comments about Lord Landsdowne, who >> > was Secretary for War in the cabinet of Lord Salsbury at the time. The >> > reference caused me to wonder where the dividing line between the estates >> > of Lord Landsdowne (based in Kenmare) and Lord Bantry (based in Bantry) >> > was. Does anyone know who was the "landlord" of the areas around >> > Castletownbere and Eyeries, for instance? >> > >> > I've always been a bit curious about this question (sort of in the back >> of >> > my brain) because the nearby Metropolitan Museum has a beautiful English >> > period room from Landsdowne House. It's been my favorite among the >> > English period rooms since I was a small child. And I've often wondered >> > if my own ancestors "rents" helped to pay for it. >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> > Maggie Duffy, NY and Inchenteskin >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> > in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Margaret I remember years ago asking Riobard O who was the landlord in Castletownbere. And I think he told me Lord Bantry. Margaret Reed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Duffy" <mmduffy@mindspring.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:24 PM Subject: [BEARA] Lord Landsdowne question > I'm currently reading The Proud Tower Barbara Tuchman's history of Europe > in the 1890s and have come upon her comments about Lord Landsdowne, who > was Secretary for War in the cabinet of Lord Salsbury at the time. The > reference caused me to wonder where the dividing line between the estates > of Lord Landsdowne (based in Kenmare) and Lord Bantry (based in Bantry) > was. Does anyone know who was the "landlord" of the areas around > Castletownbere and Eyeries, for instance? > > I've always been a bit curious about this question (sort of in the back of > my brain) because the nearby Metropolitan Museum has a beautiful English > period room from Landsdowne House. It's been my favorite among the > English period rooms since I was a small child. And I've often wondered > if my own ancestors "rents" helped to pay for it. > > Thanks. > > Maggie Duffy, NY and Inchenteskin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear friends, Just a reminder that Rootsweb does not allow attachments to posts. If you try to attach a picture (of, for example, a map) it will be stripped away by the Rootsweb software. If you have something you want to share with the group, you may send it to me via direct e-mail and I'll post it to the Children Of Beara blog. We can then direct people there to view it. -- Bill

Hi Margaret : this should fill you in with regard to the Kenmare estate. I will likewise hunt up the Bantry estate to-morrow if the matter is still outstanding. On page 13 ( ? ) of the following reference you will find a full listing of the town lands of Lord Landstowns Kenmare estate http://www.proni.gov.uk/introduction_kenmare_d4151-2.pdf Following is a site that has a map showing the parishes, I have copied the latter for convenience of first visit for you. http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/ahr/107.2/ah0202000351.html ------------------------------ <http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/ahr/107.2/images/anbinder_fig1.jpg>Figure 1: Map of Ireland, with the parishes of the Lansdowne estate highlighted. Inset shows location of Kenmare. Tuosist, and Bonane parishes within the estate. Mapmaker Chris Robinson. * * *Hope that this is of some assistance,* *Slan is beannacht, Donal O'* On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Reg Volk <regvolk@shaw.ca> wrote: > This might help: > http://www.gleninchaquin.com/index.php?page_id=128 > but I would defer to Riobard on this one. > Reg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret Duffy" <mmduffy@mindspring.com> > To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 3:24 PM > Subject: [BEARA] Lord Landsdowne question > > > > I'm currently reading The Proud Tower Barbara Tuchman's history of Europe > > in the 1890s and have come upon her comments about Lord Landsdowne, who > > was Secretary for War in the cabinet of Lord Salsbury at the time. The > > reference caused me to wonder where the dividing line between the estates > > of Lord Landsdowne (based in Kenmare) and Lord Bantry (based in Bantry) > > was. Does anyone know who was the "landlord" of the areas around > > Castletownbere and Eyeries, for instance? > > > > I've always been a bit curious about this question (sort of in the back > of > > my brain) because the nearby Metropolitan Museum has a beautiful English > > period room from Landsdowne House. It's been my favorite among the > > English period rooms since I was a small child. And I've often wondered > > if my own ancestors "rents" helped to pay for it. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Maggie Duffy, NY and Inchenteskin > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm currently reading The Proud Tower Barbara Tuchman's history of Europe in the 1890s and have come upon her comments about Lord Landsdowne, who was Secretary for War in the cabinet of Lord Salsbury at the time. The reference caused me to wonder where the dividing line between the estates of Lord Landsdowne (based in Kenmare) and Lord Bantry (based in Bantry) was. Does anyone know who was the "landlord" of the areas around Castletownbere and Eyeries, for instance? I've always been a bit curious about this question (sort of in the back of my brain) because the nearby Metropolitan Museum has a beautiful English period room from Landsdowne House. It's been my favorite among the English period rooms since I was a small child. And I've often wondered if my own ancestors "rents" helped to pay for it. Thanks. Maggie Duffy, NY and Inchenteskin

This might help: http://www.gleninchaquin.com/index.php?page_id=128 but I would defer to Riobard on this one. Reg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Duffy" <mmduffy@mindspring.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 3:24 PM Subject: [BEARA] Lord Landsdowne question > I'm currently reading The Proud Tower Barbara Tuchman's history of Europe > in the 1890s and have come upon her comments about Lord Landsdowne, who > was Secretary for War in the cabinet of Lord Salsbury at the time. The > reference caused me to wonder where the dividing line between the estates > of Lord Landsdowne (based in Kenmare) and Lord Bantry (based in Bantry) > was. Does anyone know who was the "landlord" of the areas around > Castletownbere and Eyeries, for instance? > > I've always been a bit curious about this question (sort of in the back of > my brain) because the nearby Metropolitan Museum has a beautiful English > period room from Landsdowne House. It's been my favorite among the > English period rooms since I was a small child. And I've often wondered > if my own ancestors "rents" helped to pay for it. > > Thanks. > > Maggie Duffy, NY and Inchenteskin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folks : re Land Of Liberty poem posted for the 4th, of July, currently a bit 'woozy' with medications ( my local chemist shop / drug store thinks Christmas has arrived very early this year, they just love me) and a few mistakes slipped in. Good week post hospital done and in good spirits ! I posted a correct version to our estemed 'Herr Whilliam' to replace the posted version ( just heard from him and according to himself he is ' galavanting' around at present. I like that word, galavanting, it was one my late mother RIP frequently used, it has travelled well! ) Bill has informed me that unfortunately our mistakes are 'set in stone' and he cannot revise or replace a post, so following is a repost of what July 4th, should been. Slan is beannacht, Donal O' ********************************************************** Hi Friends of Beara and especially those in the US. Here is a little something for the day that is in it for our proud US cousins and all in that great land! The late Brendan Behan at a banquet in New York at the the height of his fame was asked to propose a toast to New York, he did saying something to the effect of " Here is to the City Of New York, the man that hates you hates the human race. The same could be applied to the whole of the US melting pot. America may be far from perfect but for all its faults, it do still represent the best of the Republican ideal manifested into a working reality. Long may it continue and prosper! Following is the corrected version of the poem. *Land of Liberty* ***( For Karen & Colorado clan )* They had a dream and raised a flag Patriots believing in what could be No more in trall to Kings or Queens No lords or Prince or bended knee They came from farm and from store Fathers, uncles, grandsires, sons To face trained, superior British force With courage and their hunting guns And quickly from the scattered States A Nation coalesced proud and free Those of frontier, town and hill And peoples from across the sea. In stars and stripes conceived for all A flag and fighting quest for liberty Now one for all and all for one In shared common bonded unity Democracy from ancient Greece Each person equal and no more One vote for rulers, judge and law Blessed by freedom shore to shore Here's to her sons and daughters too Who keep that dream alive to day And to all from Erin's Island green Who have found home in the USA Dos, July 4, 2012 The 'cuz' Karen in Colorado has since emailed a copy of a lovely piece re the US from a Rumanian newspaper article, a pean of praise that captured the US ethos in a remarkable way. It is something that could be posted on the sister page as it deserves a wider circulation for friends of the US if the ' galavanter' is reading !.

Dear friends of Beara; this site covers another of my various spheres of interest and I contribute to it occasionally. The subject material of Garry's site may be of interest to some of you as will my last comment on the content of his current posting. Those pressed for time can go straight to the comment section for my contribution. A click on Garry's name will bring up the home page and for those interested in mystical and 'sub-rosa' matters, as I know some of you are, there is a pleasant surprise in store. Garry is a fine lucid writer in this field with a rare ability to dissect complex subject matter and present it to a lay readership in a way that all can appreciate and assimilate. There is a varied and engaging list of subject matter listed. http://garylachman.co.uk/2012/07/06/the-yellow-peril-of-dr-fu-manchu/ Re medical progress : four good days marked off since Monday nights A & E overnight return and morning discharge. Revised medication working, form is fine, weak but recovering well physically. Thanks again from Patricia and myself for all your prayers and good wishes. Slan is beannacht, Donal O'

Thank you Donal, it is wonderful! Will be sending this to "all the cousins" over here to enjoy. Karen -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of donal O'Siodhachain Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 2:03 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Congratulations Hi Friends of Beara and especially those in the US. Here is a little something for the day that is in it for our proud US cousins and all in that great land! The late Brendan Behan at a banquet in New York at the the height of his fame was asked to propose a toast to New York, he did saying something to the effect of " Here is to the City Of New York, the man that hates you hates the human race. America may be far from perfect but for all its faults, it do still represent the best of the Republican ideal manifested into a working reality. Long may it continue and prosper! * * *Land ofLiberty* *( For Karen & Colorado clan )* They had a dream and raised a flag Patriots believing in what could be No more in trall to Kings or Queens No lords or Prince or bended knee They came from farm and from store Fathers, uncles, grandsires, sons To face face superior British force With courage and their hunting guns And quickly from the scattered States A Nation coalesced proud and free Those of frontier, town and hill And peoples from across the sea. In stars and stripes conceived for all A flag and fighting quest for liberty Now one for all and all for one In shared common bonded unity Democracy from ancient Greece Each person equal and no more One vote for rulers, judge and law Blessed by freedom shore to shore Here's to her sons and daughters too Who keep that dream alive to day And to all from Erin's Island green Who have found home in the USA Dos, July 4, 2012 A happy and enjoyable fourth of July to one and all of the USA Slan is beannacht, Donal O' On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com>wrote: > Congratulations on American Independence Day. > Riobard. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Riobard. Many of my ancestors from my father's side fought in the Revolutionary War ,the French and Indian War , the Civil War and all of our wars since then to keep us free. My great grandmother had twin brothers ,sons of Irish immigrants, killed in the Civil War. My great nephew is arriving home from Afghanistan tomorrow . Our freedom has not been free. I pray for freedom for all people on this earth! ....and I hate war! Ruth Bortolan Sent from my iPad On Jul 4, 2012, at 1:57 PM, "Riobard O' Dwyer" <bearariobard@gmail.com> wrote: > Congratulations on American Independence Day. > Riobard. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Friends of Beara and especially those in the US. Here is a little something for the day that is in it for our proud US cousins and all in that great land! The late Brendan Behan at a banquet in New York at the the height of his fame was asked to propose a toast to New York, he did saying something to the effect of " Here is to the City Of New York, the man that hates you hates the human race. America may be far from perfect but for all its faults, it do still represent the best of the Republican ideal manifested into a working reality. Long may it continue and prosper! * * *Land ofLiberty* *( For Karen & Colorado clan )* They had a dream and raised a flag Patriots believing in what could be No more in trall to Kings or Queens No lords or Prince or bended knee They came from farm and from store Fathers, uncles, grandsires, sons To face face superior British force With courage and their hunting guns And quickly from the scattered States A Nation coalesced proud and free Those of frontier, town and hill And peoples from across the sea. In stars and stripes conceived for all A flag and fighting quest for liberty Now one for all and all for one In shared common bonded unity Democracy from ancient Greece Each person equal and no more One vote for rulers, judge and law Blessed by freedom shore to shore Here's to her sons and daughters too Who keep that dream alive to day And to all from Erin's Island green Who have found home in the USA Dos, July 4, 2012 A happy and enjoyable fourth of July to one and all of the USA Slan is beannacht, Donal O' On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com>wrote: > Congratulations on American Independence Day. > Riobard. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Congratulations on American Independence Day. Riobard.

Riobard a chara uasal...... and you said that planxty poem I did for you was not merited? Someone should pay to have you hypnotized and put to sleep but talking and a bank of digital recorders ranged around you ! It was said when our own Johnny O'Leary the Box-player of Sliabh Luachra died some years back that over a thousand polkas and other tunes went into the clay with his body. Despite the collation of your lifetimes work, when you too go to your Maker, which hopefully will not be for many a long year yet, God only knows how many thousands of details not on record will go into the clay with your mortal remains. As our Blasked Islands friends would have said, ' We will not see your likes again' ! Slan is beannacht, Donal O' On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Riobard O' Dwyer <bearariobard@gmail.com>wrote: > About a week ago a lovely couple arrived at my door just as I was getting > ready to do a job, and later to travel 60 miles to support my Beara > football team. The man asked me if I could help him with some genealogical > stuff that he was trying to find out. He told me that his ancestor was > Patrick Sullivan and that his wife's name was Catherine, but he didn't know > her surname, and that they were living in Kilcatherine (which by the way is > a District, and well as being the name of a townland). Now there are about > 50 different Patrick Sullivans with the same number of Branch-Names, and it > was usually with their Branch-Names only that they put into the Parish > Records. As far as Catherine with no surname ---- well you could imagine. > And with only an approx. year ---- well, that was a bit much to be tackling > at 80 years of age. And, as I was pressed very much for time, and without > any prior notice of their coming, I explained my circumstances to them, and > told them that it might be a good idea if they went up to the Presbetry, > and that they might get help there by going through the records. It surely > was a bit embarrasing to be told that I was the only person in the world > who could help them. Anyhow, up they went to the Priest. He was very busy > at the time, but he gave them the Parish Records to go through, and the > Parish Clerk, a lady, would help them. But after a while, I got sorry for > them, as they were after travelling to Eyeries from California, and that it > would be tough on them to have to travel back to California empty-handed. > So, I hopped into my car, and headed up after them. There they were with > the Parish Clerk going though the Parish Records trying to find out what > they were looking for. But if they were all there until the day of General > Judgment, I'm afraid that that they hadn't a "clue" what they were trying > to do. Then I told the couple to come down to my house and that even though > all my records were now in Boston, I would try and rack my "brains" to try > and help them. They said that a son of the ancestors had gone to Butte, > Montana. At least now I had where that son had gone to. After another > while, it suddenly dawned on me that the mother's maiden name might have > been Ellen rather than Catherine. "That's right", said the visitor, who had > told me previously that he thought it was Catherine. Again I "racked" my > "brains" (---- or what was left of them !!). Suddenly. I remembered that > the old name for Eyeries Parish was Kilcatherine Parish ---- and that the > ancestor might have been from somewhere else in the Parish rather than in > the Townland of Kilcatherine. And then an "inspiration" came to me. I had > heard long ago that a Patrick Sullivan and an Ellen Sullivan had lived in > an old, now demolished, house that was situated between two houses at the > "bottom" of Ardgroom Village, about 5 miles away. All that was left now was > the earth of the foundation. The couple went to Ardgroom Village to where I > had told them. There it was. They took a bit of the earth of the foundation > back with them to put on their graves when they died ---- as that was the > old custom by many of the miners in Butte who never were to return home. > Now they knew about the son who went to Butte, and from whom this visiting > man was descended. Before they returned to the USA, they thanked me for > tracing the ancestral family. My own position reminded me of the part of > the old poem I learned at school: > "And still they gazed, > and still the wonder grew > that one small head > could carry all he knew ". > ---- Riobard. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

About a week ago a lovely couple arrived at my door just as I was getting ready to do a job, and later to travel 60 miles to support my Beara football team. The man asked me if I could help him with some genealogical stuff that he was trying to find out. He told me that his ancestor was Patrick Sullivan and that his wife's name was Catherine, but he didn't know her surname, and that they were living in Kilcatherine (which by the way is a District, and well as being the name of a townland). Now there are about 50 different Patrick Sullivans with the same number of Branch-Names, and it was usually with their Branch-Names only that they put into the Parish Records. As far as Catherine with no surname ---- well you could imagine. And with only an approx. year ---- well, that was a bit much to be tackling at 80 years of age. And, as I was pressed very much for time, and without any prior notice of their coming, I explained my circumstances to them, and told them that it might be a good idea if they went up to the Presbetry, and that they might get help there by going through the records. It surely was a bit embarrasing to be told that I was the only person in the world who could help them. Anyhow, up they went to the Priest. He was very busy at the time, but he gave them the Parish Records to go through, and the Parish Clerk, a lady, would help them. But after a while, I got sorry for them, as they were after travelling to Eyeries from California, and that it would be tough on them to have to travel back to California empty-handed. So, I hopped into my car, and headed up after them. There they were with the Parish Clerk going though the Parish Records trying to find out what they were looking for. But if they were all there until the day of General Judgment, I'm afraid that that they hadn't a "clue" what they were trying to do. Then I told the couple to come down to my house and that even though all my records were now in Boston, I would try and rack my "brains" to try and help them. They said that a son of the ancestors had gone to Butte, Montana. At least now I had where that son had gone to. After another while, it suddenly dawned on me that the mother's maiden name might have been Ellen rather than Catherine. "That's right", said the visitor, who had told me previously that he thought it was Catherine. Again I "racked" my "brains" (---- or what was left of them !!). Suddenly. I remembered that the old name for Eyeries Parish was Kilcatherine Parish ---- and that the ancestor might have been from somewhere else in the Parish rather than in the Townland of Kilcatherine. And then an "inspiration" came to me. I had heard long ago that a Patrick Sullivan and an Ellen Sullivan had lived in an old, now demolished, house that was situated between two houses at the "bottom" of Ardgroom Village, about 5 miles away. All that was left now was the earth of the foundation. The couple went to Ardgroom Village to where I had told them. There it was. They took a bit of the earth of the foundation back with them to put on their graves when they died ---- as that was the old custom by many of the miners in Butte who never were to return home. Now they knew about the son who went to Butte, and from whom this visiting man was descended. Before they returned to the USA, they thanked me for tracing the ancestral family. My own position reminded me of the part of the old poem I learned at school: "And still they gazed, and still the wonder grew that one small head could carry all he knew ". ---- Riobard.

Wonderful story Riobard, God Bless your kindness! Ginny H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <bearariobard@gmail.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 1:20 PM Subject: [BEARA] More of the same ---- but very nice people. > About a week ago a lovely couple arrived at my door just as I was getting > ready to do a job, and later to travel 60 miles to support my Beara > football team. The man asked me if I could help him with some genealogical > stuff that he was trying to find out. He told me that his ancestor was > Patrick Sullivan and that his wife's name was Catherine, but he didn't > know > her surname, and that they were living in Kilcatherine (which by the way > is > a District, and well as being the name of a townland). Now there are about > 50 different Patrick Sullivans with the same number of Branch-Names, and > it > was usually with their Branch-Names only that they put into the Parish > Records. As far as Catherine with no surname ---- well you could imagine. > And with only an approx. year ---- well, that was a bit much to be > tackling > at 80 years of age. And, as I was pressed very much for time, and without > any prior notice of their coming, I explained my circumstances to them, > and > told them that it might be a good idea if they went up to the Presbetry, > and that they might get help there by going through the records. It surely > was a bit embarrasing to be told that I was the only person in the world > who could help them. Anyhow, up they went to the Priest. He was very busy > at the time, but he gave them the Parish Records to go through, and the > Parish Clerk, a lady, would help them. But after a while, I got sorry for > them, as they were after travelling to Eyeries from California, and that > it > would be tough on them to have to travel back to California empty-handed. > So, I hopped into my car, and headed up after them. There they were with > the Parish Clerk going though the Parish Records trying to find out what > they were looking for. But if they were all there until the day of General > Judgment, I'm afraid that that they hadn't a "clue" what they were trying > to do. Then I told the couple to come down to my house and that even > though > all my records were now in Boston, I would try and rack my "brains" to try > and help them. They said that a son of the ancestors had gone to Butte, > Montana. At least now I had where that son had gone to. After another > while, it suddenly dawned on me that the mother's maiden name might have > been Ellen rather than Catherine. "That's right", said the visitor, who > had > told me previously that he thought it was Catherine. Again I "racked" my > "brains" (---- or what was left of them !!). Suddenly. I remembered that > the old name for Eyeries Parish was Kilcatherine Parish ---- and that the > ancestor might have been from somewhere else in the Parish rather than in > the Townland of Kilcatherine. And then an "inspiration" came to me. I had > heard long ago that a Patrick Sullivan and an Ellen Sullivan had lived in > an old, now demolished, house that was situated between two houses at the > "bottom" of Ardgroom Village, about 5 miles away. All that was left now > was > the earth of the foundation. The couple went to Ardgroom Village to where > I > had told them. There it was. They took a bit of the earth of the > foundation > back with them to put on their graves when they died ---- as that was the > old custom by many of the miners in Butte who never were to return home. > Now they knew about the son who went to Butte, and from whom this visiting > man was descended. Before they returned to the USA, they thanked me for > tracing the ancestral family. My own position reminded me of the part of > the old poem I learned at school: > "And still they gazed, > and still the wonder grew > that one small head > could carry all he knew ". > ---- Riobard. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Oh Riobard you are so kind to those who search for the loved ones! Margaret Reed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <bearariobard@gmail.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 4:20 PM Subject: [BEARA] More of the same ---- but very nice people. > About a week ago a lovely couple arrived at my door just as I was getting > ready to do a job, and later to travel 60 miles to support my Beara > football team. The man asked me if I could help him with some genealogical > stuff that he was trying to find out. He told me that his ancestor was > Patrick Sullivan and that his wife's name was Catherine, but he didn't > know > her surname, and that they were living in Kilcatherine (which by the way > is > a District, and well as being the name of a townland). Now there are about > 50 different Patrick Sullivans with the same number of Branch-Names, and > it > was usually with their Branch-Names only that they put into the Parish > Records. As far as Catherine with no surname ---- well you could imagine. > And with only an approx. year ---- well, that was a bit much to be > tackling > at 80 years of age. And, as I was pressed very much for time, and without > any prior notice of their coming, I explained my circumstances to them, > and > told them that it might be a good idea if they went up to the Presbetry, > and that they might get help there by going through the records. It surely > was a bit embarrasing to be told that I was the only person in the world > who could help them. Anyhow, up they went to the Priest. He was very busy > at the time, but he gave them the Parish Records to go through, and the > Parish Clerk, a lady, would help them. But after a while, I got sorry for > them, as they were after travelling to Eyeries from California, and that > it > would be tough on them to have to travel back to California empty-handed. > So, I hopped into my car, and headed up after them. There they were with > the Parish Clerk going though the Parish Records trying to find out what > they were looking for. But if they were all there until the day of General > Judgment, I'm afraid that that they hadn't a "clue" what they were trying > to do. Then I told the couple to come down to my house and that even > though > all my records were now in Boston, I would try and rack my "brains" to try > and help them. They said that a son of the ancestors had gone to Butte, > Montana. At least now I had where that son had gone to. After another > while, it suddenly dawned on me that the mother's maiden name might have > been Ellen rather than Catherine. "That's right", said the visitor, who > had > told me previously that he thought it was Catherine. Again I "racked" my > "brains" (---- or what was left of them !!). Suddenly. I remembered that > the old name for Eyeries Parish was Kilcatherine Parish ---- and that the > ancestor might have been from somewhere else in the Parish rather than in > the Townland of Kilcatherine. And then an "inspiration" came to me. I had > heard long ago that a Patrick Sullivan and an Ellen Sullivan had lived in > an old, now demolished, house that was situated between two houses at the > "bottom" of Ardgroom Village, about 5 miles away. All that was left now > was > the earth of the foundation. The couple went to Ardgroom Village to where > I > had told them. There it was. They took a bit of the earth of the > foundation > back with them to put on their graves when they died ---- as that was the > old custom by many of the miners in Butte who never were to return home. > Now they knew about the son who went to Butte, and from whom this visiting > man was descended. Before they returned to the USA, they thanked me for > tracing the ancestral family. My own position reminded me of the part of > the old poem I learned at school: > "And still they gazed, > and still the wonder grew > that one small head > could carry all he knew ". > ---- Riobard. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >