Breathing in dust is commonly called miner's lung and officially Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilcovolcanokoniosis, a word I learned when I was in school and at one time the longest word in the dictionary. I never dreamed at that time that I would be linked to it happening quite a number of times in my own family. ~~ C Sullivan Terry Curran <terrycur16@yahoo.es> wrote: I have now been sent by one of Cornelius decendend a copy of the marriage entry, attached with it is a letter from Riobard dated 1999 The marriage of Cornelis Sullivan & Julia Hanley is confirmed as at Church of St Michaels Allihies on the 13th Feb 1866 Witness John Sullivan and Patrick Hanley. Julia name is also Shiela on other documents. However incontra to what was stated before Cornelius died as a result of breathing in dust over a period of time and on as a result of a mining accident. --- El sáb, 30/8/08, GERALD O'SULLIVAN escribió: De: GERALD O'SULLIVAN Asunto: Re: [BEARA] O'Sullivan and Allihies Co Cork Para: beara@rootsweb.com Fecha: sábado, 30 agosto, 2008 7:05 Hi Riobard I also descend from this line and have a reference that Cornelius died in Cluin ( could this be Cloyne to the east of Cork ?) I also have a copy of the diary pages kept by the oldest son of each generation which states John was born 12th March 1800 Cork County Cornelius was married to Sheila Handley on 13 Jan 1866. I hope you can shed some light on this as it will help to confirm even earlier generations back to 1724. Gerald. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Riobard O'Dwyer" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] O'Sullivan and Allihies Co Cork > I'm afraid I'll have to disillusion Terry from "Sir" John O'Sullivan & > Margaret Meyer having anything to do with Allihies. First of all John > O'Sullivan wasn't born in Allihies in 1825. There is no trace of any of > the > children he has mentioned having been born in Allihies, or in the Allihies > Parish, and there is no account of Cornelius O'Sullivan dying in an > accident > in the Allihies Copper Mines in 1870. I have the Church Records and the > Civil Records of the Allihies Parish here. > Riobard. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Terry Curran" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] O'Sullivan and Allihies Co Cork > > >>I finally found the villiage name of where one of my ancesters family was >>from (Allihies), he name was John O'Sullivan (born 1825) . He was the son >>of John O'Sullivan (1800-1862), this however John is believed to be Sir >>John O'Sullivan MP based on the fact they share the same birth and death >>year dates. My families (Histroical) letters and family books do talk of >>political involment, but none go as far as say he was a MP or a Sir, so >>that's why I have not jump as to claim him as my ancester. even >>withevidence that could point in that direction, I wish to confirm a few >>more clues first Some evidence states Sir John own a coppermine in >>Allihies, but I can not find anything to prove this. His Wife was called >>Margaret Meyer (English but born in Germany) found no wedding detail but >>possible it was in England The best way for me to confirm my John is "Sir >>John" is the Birth records of their children at the localAllihies church >>and cross check with the >> family book I have which date of familyr from 1750a recorded but never >> stated the town or village. Anybdy can help with the Children from the >> union of O'Sullivan & Meyers children were John 18 May 1825 (my family >> line decend from him)Ellon 2 Oct 1827Mortimer 12 June 1830 (went to USA >> 1858-59Margaret 11 June 1833 died 1835Thomas 8 Dec 1839 Died in an >> Accident 20 May 1857 Gorey WexfordWilliam 17 Dec 1842Cornelius 1st Jan >> 1845 Died in an Accident 1870 Coppermine Allihies many thanks Terry >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Correo Yahoo! >> Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! >> Regístrate ya - http://correo.yahoo.es >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 1537 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! 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Hi I too am looking for O'SullivansMy great grandmother was Catherine O'Sullivan born I think 1861.  I think her parents were Mark and Anna(Newman or Nooman) O'Sullivan. She had brothers and sisters Mary1847, Eugene 1850, Mortimore 1850? and Denis 1855.  Catherine married Johnny Harrington, Lighthouse Keeper and lived on Dursey Island.  She is burried on Dursey Island in a family grave that goes back to 1774 but I do not know if she was born in Ireland or who else is buried with her.  She was said to be a chieftain's relative and not sure what that refers to.  Any help would be appreciated. Thank You, Caroleann Quan, California

I have now been sent by one of Cornelius decendend a copy of the marriage entry, attached with it is a letter from Riobard dated 1999   The marriage of Cornelis Sullivan & Julia Hanley is confirmed as at Church of St Michaels Allihies on the 13th Feb 1866 Witness John Sullivan and Patrick Hanley.   Julia name is also Shiela on other documents.   However incontra to what was stated before Cornelius died as a result of breathing in dust over a period of time and on as a result of a mining accident.     --- El sáb, 30/8/08, GERALD O'SULLIVAN <g.j.osullivan@btinternet.com> escribió: De: GERALD O'SULLIVAN <g.j.osullivan@btinternet.com> Asunto: Re: [BEARA] O'Sullivan and Allihies Co Cork Para: beara@rootsweb.com Fecha: sábado, 30 agosto, 2008 7:05 Hi Riobard I also descend from this line and have a reference that Cornelius died in Cluin ( could this be Cloyne to the east of Cork ?) I also have a copy of the diary pages kept by the oldest son of each generation which states John was born 12th March 1800 Cork County Cornelius was married to Sheila Handley on 13 Jan 1866. I hope you can shed some light on this as it will help to confirm even earlier generations back to 1724. Gerald. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Riobard O'Dwyer" <beararesearchodwyer@eircom.net> To: <terrycur16@yahoo.es>; <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] O'Sullivan and Allihies Co Cork > I'm afraid I'll have to disillusion Terry from "Sir" John O'Sullivan & > Margaret Meyer having anything to do with Allihies. First of all John > O'Sullivan wasn't born in Allihies in 1825. There is no trace of any of > the > children he has mentioned having been born in Allihies, or in the Allihies > Parish, and there is no account of Cornelius O'Sullivan dying in an > accident > in the Allihies Copper Mines in 1870. I have the Church Records and the > Civil Records of the Allihies Parish here. > Riobard. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Terry Curran" <terrycur16@yahoo.es> > To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] O'Sullivan and Allihies Co Cork > > >>I finally found the villiage name of where one of my ancesters family was >>from (Allihies), he name was John O'Sullivan (born 1825) . He was the son >>of John O'Sullivan (1800-1862), this however John is believed to be Sir >>John O'Sullivan MP based on the fact they share the same birth and death >>year dates. My families (Histroical) letters and family books do talk of >>political involment, but none go as far as say he was a MP or a Sir, so >>that's why I have not jump as to claim him as my ancester. even >>withevidence that could point in that direction, I wish to confirm a few >>more clues first Some evidence states Sir John own a coppermine in >>Allihies, but I can not find anything to prove this. His Wife was called >>Margaret Meyer (English but born in Germany) found no wedding detail but >>possible it was in England The best way for me to confirm my John is "Sir >>John" is the Birth records of their children at the localAllihies church >>and cross check with the >> family book I have which date of familyr from 1750a recorded but never >> stated the town or village. Anybdy can help with the Children from the >> union of O'Sullivan & Meyers children were John 18 May 1825 (my family >> line decend from him)Ellon 2 Oct 1827Mortimer 12 June 1830 (went to USA >> 1858-59Margaret 11 June 1833 died 1835Thomas 8 Dec 1839 Died in an >> Accident 20 May 1857 Gorey WexfordWilliam 17 Dec 1842Cornelius 1st Jan >> 1845 Died in an Accident 1870 Coppermine Allihies many thanks Terry >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Correo Yahoo! >> Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! >> Regístrate ya - http://correo.yahoo.es >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 1537 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! Regístrate ya - http://correo.yahoo.es

Hi Riobard I also descend from this line and have a reference that Cornelius died in Cluin ( could this be Cloyne to the east of Cork ?) I also have a copy of the diary pages kept by the oldest son of each generation which states John was born 12th March 1800 Cork County Cornelius was married to Sheila Handley on 13 Jan 1866. I hope you can shed some light on this as it will help to confirm even earlier generations back to 1724. Gerald. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Riobard O'Dwyer" <beararesearchodwyer@eircom.net> To: <terrycur16@yahoo.es>; <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] O'Sullivan and Allihies Co Cork > I'm afraid I'll have to disillusion Terry from "Sir" John O'Sullivan & > Margaret Meyer having anything to do with Allihies. First of all John > O'Sullivan wasn't born in Allihies in 1825. There is no trace of any of > the > children he has mentioned having been born in Allihies, or in the Allihies > Parish, and there is no account of Cornelius O'Sullivan dying in an > accident > in the Allihies Copper Mines in 1870. I have the Church Records and the > Civil Records of the Allihies Parish here. > Riobard. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Terry Curran" <terrycur16@yahoo.es> > To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] O'Sullivan and Allihies Co Cork > > >>I finally found the villiage name of where one of my ancesters family was >>from (Allihies), he name was John O'Sullivan (born 1825) . He was the son >>of John O'Sullivan (1800-1862), this however John is believed to be Sir >>John O'Sullivan MP based on the fact they share the same birth and death >>year dates. My families (Histroical) letters and family books do talk of >>political involment, but none go as far as say he was a MP or a Sir, so >>that's why I have not jump as to claim him as my ancester. even >>withevidence that could point in that direction, I wish to confirm a few >>more clues first Some evidence states Sir John own a coppermine in >>Allihies, but I can not find anything to prove this. His Wife was called >>Margaret Meyer (English but born in Germany) found no wedding detail but >>possible it was in England The best way for me to confirm my John is "Sir >>John" is the Birth records of their children at the localAllihies church >>and cross check with the >> family book I have which date of familyr from 1750a recorded but never >> stated the town or village. Anybdy can help with the Children from the >> union of O'Sullivan & Meyers children were John 18 May 1825 (my family >> line decend from him)Ellon 2 Oct 1827Mortimer 12 June 1830 (went to USA >> 1858-59Margaret 11 June 1833 died 1835Thomas 8 Dec 1839 Died in an >> Accident 20 May 1857 Gorey WexfordWilliam 17 Dec 1842Cornelius 1st Jan >> 1845 Died in an Accident 1870 Coppermine Allihies many thanks Terry >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Correo Yahoo! >> Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! >> Regístrate ya - http://correo.yahoo.es >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 1537 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Brendan Thank you for the picture & Information, do you know where I could start looking for the Sullivan Family that lived in no 40 shandon St. Regards Sheila> From: brendanj@gofree.indigo.ie> To: beara@rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:08:07 +0100> Subject: Re: [BEARA] O'Sullivan Bere Island & CO Cork> > Hi Sheila,> If you go to the link below you will see a picture of number 40 Shandon> Street> which it seems has now been demolished. Shandon Street itself is still> there.> > Scroll down a little to see the picture.> http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=5077&page=71> > Regards,> > Brendan Jones.> > > > >Can anyone tell me if Shandon St is still there and may be the shop (can't> >rember what they sold), also how I can go about tracing Michael's family. I> >live in Cheshire England, so any searches I do will be on line.> > > >Sheila> > > _________________________________________________________________> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Make a mini you on Windows Live Messenger! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571437/direct/01/

Hi Sheila, If you go to the link below you will see a picture of number 40 Shandon Street which it seems has now been demolished. Shandon Street itself is still there. Scroll down a little to see the picture. http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=5077&page=71 Regards, Brendan Jones. >Can anyone tell me if Shandon St is still there and may be the shop (can't >rember what they sold), also how I can go about tracing Michael's family. I >live in Cheshire England, so any searches I do will be on line. >Sheila _________________________________________________________________

I Hope some one may be able to help I am trying to trace the family of Michael O'Sullivan (Ukirre) Michael was Born in 1909 (also have 1903 as a Birth year) at The Bridge, Derrycreeveen, Bere Island to Michael O'Sullivan (Ukirre) & Margaret Harrington (Caobach) Daughter of Timothy Harrington (Caobach) & Mary O'Sullivan. Michael died on 14th March 1969 aged 60yrs details from his Mass Card. Michael was married to Bridie O'Sullivan Daughter of Pad (or Patrick) O'Sullivan & Mary Harrington (Trokirre) Knockrua West, Allihies Parish. Michael worked as a carpenter on the Irish Lights, and later had a shop at 40, Shandon St ,Co Cork. His Father Michael also worked on the Irish Lights vessel S.S Ierne. I rember going to see them at the shop when we were on our way back to England after being on holiday to Bere Island. Can anyone tell me if Shandon St is still there and may be the shop (can't rember what they sold), also how I can go about tracing Michael's family. I live in Cheshire England, so any searches I do will be on line. Has anyone these names in their family tree? Thank you Sheila _________________________________________________________________ Win a voice over part with Kung Fu Panda & Live Search   and   100’s of Kung Fu Panda prizes to win with Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571439/direct/01/

Pam, You may want to contact: Dr. Jane Lyons at sniliaghin@iol.ie She is a very well respected genealogist and just may be a cousin! If this email does not work, let me know and I will try to get an updated one. Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan in Kildare jd11946@aol.com > Hi Riobard- > > I have seen many emails to an from you regarding Irish Ancestry and hoping > that you might be able to point me in the right direction as well.? My > family surname is LYONS.? My?ggggrandfather was Jeremiah Lyons, his wife's > name was Margarett.? They had at least 1 son that I am aware of, my > ggggrandfather, William, born @1812 in Cork (not sure whether that's > county or city).? William married Roseanna Armshaw, born @1812 in > Tipperary.? William was Catholic and a?mason by trade.? They emigrated to > America @ sometime before 1846 as all 6 children were born in NY.??My > research has proven that they were somewhere in NY, I'm guessing NYC, and > moved to New London, Ct. as I've found them on the census of 1850 but find > them in 1860 on the 1860 Census in Sag Harbor, NY.? My family lives in > that area today!? I travelled to Ireland in 2006 and felt so connected yet > unable to find the ancestral home.?That being my objective - perhaps you > could recommend some resources in Cork that I might p! > ursue.? Once I have that...I will return to Ireland...in hopes of > discovering other brothers and sisters?to William. > > Thanks for listening! > Pam > Greenport, LI, ?New York > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Riobard O'Dwyer <beararesearchodwyer@eircom.net> > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:08 pm > Subject: [BEARA] Phone first. > > > > Sometimes I am not at home when people call to my door looking for help in > tracing their ancestors. For instance, yesterday somebody in > Castletownbere sent > people out 5 miles to Eyeries to me to help them ----- but it was a wasted > journey, as I happened to be about 100 miles away in Cork City at the > time. It > is better to phone (74015) from any part of Beara, Co. Cork South-West, > first. > Even if I'm not at home, a message can be left (plus email, if possible). > If > calling from any part of Ireland outside of the Bantry/Beara areas, the > phone is > (027)74015. If wanting to get in touch with me from the U.S.A., etc., it > would > be easier first to email me. If writing, don't forget to enclose your > email. I > suppose I'm getting a bit lazy with old age !! > ----- Riobard. > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 1512 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm afraid I'll have to disillusion Terry from "Sir" John O'Sullivan & Margaret Meyer having anything to do with Allihies. First of all John O'Sullivan wasn't born in Allihies in 1825. There is no trace of any of the children he has mentioned having been born in Allihies, or in the Allihies Parish, and there is no account of Cornelius O'Sullivan dying in an accident in the Allihies Copper Mines in 1870. I have the Church Records and the Civil Records of the Allihies Parish here. Riobard. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Curran" <terrycur16@yahoo.es> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] O'Sullivan and Allihies Co Cork >I finally found the villiage name of where one of my ancesters family was >from (Allihies), he name was John O'Sullivan (born 1825) . He was the son >of John O'Sullivan (1800-1862), this however John is believed to be Sir >John O'Sullivan MP based on the fact they share the same birth and death >year dates. My families (Histroical) letters and family books do talk of >political involment, but none go as far as say he was a MP or a Sir, so >that's why I have not jump as to claim him as my ancester. even >withevidence that could point in that direction, I wish to confirm a few >more clues first Some evidence states Sir John own a coppermine in >Allihies, but I can not find anything to prove this. His Wife was called >Margaret Meyer (English but born in Germany) found no wedding detail but >possible it was in England The best way for me to confirm my John is "Sir >John" is the Birth records of their children at the localAllihies church >and cross check with the > family book I have which date of familyr from 1750a recorded but never > stated the town or village. Anybdy can help with the Children from the > union of O'Sullivan & Meyers children were John 18 May 1825 (my family > line decend from him)Ellon 2 Oct 1827Mortimer 12 June 1830 (went to USA > 1858-59Margaret 11 June 1833 died 1835Thomas 8 Dec 1839 Died in an > Accident 20 May 1857 Gorey WexfordWilliam 17 Dec 1842Cornelius 1st Jan > 1845 Died in an Accident 1870 Coppermine Allihies many thanks Terry > > __________________________________________________ > Correo Yahoo! > Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! > Regístrate ya - http://correo.yahoo.es > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1537 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

I finally found the villiage name of where one of my ancesters family was from (Allihies), he name was John O'Sullivan (born 1825) . He was the son of John O'Sullivan (1800-1862), this however John is believed to be Sir John O'Sullivan MP based on the fact they share the same birth and death year dates. My families (Histroical) letters and family books do talk of political involment, but none go as far as say he was a MP or a Sir, so that's why I have not jump as to claim him as my ancester. even withevidence that could point in that direction, I wish to confirm a few more clues first Some evidence states Sir John own a coppermine in Allihies, but I can not find anything to prove this. His Wife was called Margaret Meyer (English but born in Germany) found no wedding detail but possible it was in England The best way for me to confirm my John is "Sir John" is the Birth records of their children at the localAllihies church and cross check with the family book I have which date of familyr from 1750a recorded but never stated the town or village. Anybdy can help with the Children from the union of O'Sullivan & Meyers children were  John 18 May 1825 (my family line decend from him)Ellon 2 Oct 1827Mortimer 12 June 1830 (went to USA 1858-59Margaret 11 June 1833 died 1835Thomas 8 Dec 1839 Died in an Accident 20 May 1857 Gorey WexfordWilliam 17 Dec 1842Cornelius 1st Jan 1845 Died in an Accident 1870 Coppermine Allihies many thanks Terry __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! Regístrate ya - http://correo.yahoo.es

Hi, I am trying to find a birth for Amelia Brown born abt 1830 in Kenmare can anyone tell me the name of the Church I would have to write to. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Riobard O'Dwyer" <beararesearchodwyer@eircom.net> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Kinmare or Kenmare > The place has to be Kenmare (Co. Kerry). People pronounce it as if it were > Kinmare. > ---- Riobard. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Kelly" <mobones@bessi.net> > To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:35 AM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Kinmare or Kenmare > > >> Hi, Val, >> >> I don't know Irish geography well, but do be suspicious that the place >> name >> was taken down correctly. I have an ancestor relation who appeared in >> the >> 1861 English census as having been born in the Irish town of "Kibbercen". >> There is no such town, but there is one called Skibbereen. I later found >> evidence to support that he indeed was born in or near Skibbereen. >> Perhaps >> someone took notes in the field, then later transcribed them incorrectly >> onto the final census sheet. Who knows? >> >> Of course, I have not seen the record you cite, but I do know penmanship >> in >> census records varies wildly. An 'e' can sometimes look like an 'i', >> especially if there is a stray mark near it that resembles a proper dot. >> >> Best wishes, >> Kevin in MO, USA >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Val Messer" <valmess@b130.aone.net.au> >> To: <BEARA@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:38 PM >> Subject: [BEARA] Kinmare or Kenmare >> >> >>> Hi from Qld., Australia, >>> >>> In England Census records of 1851 and 1861 the place of birth for my >>> gggrandmother, Ellen Morrissey nee Sullivan, appears to be KINMARE. >>> However, when I googled for some information about the place I was asked >>> 'Do >>> you mean KENMARE?' >>> >>> The Census record definitely shows KINMARE as the dot is clearly above >>> the >>> letter 'i.' Or is it a case of confusion in hearing the Irish accent? >>> >>> Could someone please enlighten me - Which should it be? Or are they two >>> separate places in Co Kerry? >>> >>> Regards >>> Val. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1628 - Release Date: >>> 22.08.2008 >>> 18:32 >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 1530 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Carol This may give you a general sense of Kenmare. http://homepage.eircom.net/~dinglemaps/genuki/KER/Kenmare/index.html On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Carol Murray <c.a.murray@btinternet.com>wrote: > Hi, I am trying to find a birth for Amelia Brown born abt 1830 in Kenmare > can > anyone tell me the name of the Church I would have to write to. > Carol > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Riobard O'Dwyer" <beararesearchodwyer@eircom.net> > To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 12:01 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Kinmare or Kenmare > > > > The place has to be Kenmare (Co. Kerry). People pronounce it as if it > were > > Kinmare. > > ---- Riobard. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kevin Kelly" <mobones@bessi.net> > > To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:35 AM > > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Kinmare or Kenmare > > > > > >> Hi, Val, > >> > >> I don't know Irish geography well, but do be suspicious that the place > >> name > >> was taken down correctly. I have an ancestor relation who appeared in > >> the > >> 1861 English census as having been born in the Irish town of > "Kibbercen". > >> There is no such town, but there is one called Skibbereen. I later > found > >> evidence to support that he indeed was born in or near Skibbereen. > >> Perhaps > >> someone took notes in the field, then later transcribed them incorrectly > >> onto the final census sheet. Who knows? > >> > >> Of course, I have not seen the record you cite, but I do know penmanship > >> in > >> census records varies wildly. An 'e' can sometimes look like an 'i', > >> especially if there is a stray mark near it that resembles a proper dot. > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> Kevin in MO, USA > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Val Messer" <valmess@b130.aone.net.au> > >> To: <BEARA@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:38 PM > >> Subject: [BEARA] Kinmare or Kenmare > >> > >> > >>> Hi from Qld., Australia, > >>> > >>> In England Census records of 1851 and 1861 the place of birth for my > >>> gggrandmother, Ellen Morrissey nee Sullivan, appears to be KINMARE. > >>> However, when I googled for some information about the place I was > asked > >>> 'Do > >>> you mean KENMARE?' > >>> > >>> The Census record definitely shows KINMARE as the dot is clearly above > >>> the > >>> letter 'i.' Or is it a case of confusion in hearing the Irish accent? > >>> > >>> Could someone please enlighten me - Which should it be? Or are they two > >>> separate places in Co Kerry? > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> Val. > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes > >>> in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> No virus found in this incoming message. > >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > >>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1628 - Release Date: > >>> 22.08.2008 > >>> 18:32 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > -- > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > > It has removed 1530 spam emails to date. > > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you to all who responded to my query re the above. I felt that it had to be Kenmare but my Irish geography is not 100%. I am so thankful that it was a fairly 'simple' place name. Thank you also Mike and Brendan for the references. However, I do have quite a lot of detail re my ancestor's Coastguard service. He even appears in an incident in a book about Smugglers! >From a very grateful Val.

Hi I am trying to find a birth for Amelia Brown born abt 1830 in Kenmare can anyone tell me the name of the Church I would have to write to. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Riobard O'Dwyer" <beararesearchodwyer@eircom.net> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Kinmare or Kenmare > The place has to be Kenmare (Co. Kerry). People pronounce it as if it were > Kinmare. > ---- Riobard. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Kelly" <mobones@bessi.net> > To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:35 AM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Kinmare or Kenmare > > >> Hi, Val, >> >> I don't know Irish geography well, but do be suspicious that the place >> name >> was taken down correctly. I have an ancestor relation who appeared in >> the >> 1861 English census as having been born in the Irish town of "Kibbercen". >> There is no such town, but there is one called Skibbereen. I later found >> evidence to support that he indeed was born in or near Skibbereen. >> Perhaps >> someone took notes in the field, then later transcribed them incorrectly >> onto the final census sheet. Who knows? >> >> Of course, I have not seen the record you cite, but I do know penmanship >> in >> census records varies wildly. An 'e' can sometimes look like an 'i', >> especially if there is a stray mark near it that resembles a proper dot. >> >> Best wishes, >> Kevin in MO, USA >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Val Messer" <valmess@b130.aone.net.au> >> To: <BEARA@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:38 PM >> Subject: [BEARA] Kinmare or Kenmare >> >> >>> Hi from Qld., Australia, >>> >>> In England Census records of 1851 and 1861 the place of birth for my >>> gggrandmother, Ellen Morrissey nee Sullivan, appears to be KINMARE. >>> However, when I googled for some information about the place I was asked >>> 'Do >>> you mean KENMARE?' >>> >>> The Census record definitely shows KINMARE as the dot is clearly above >>> the >>> letter 'i.' Or is it a case of confusion in hearing the Irish accent? >>> >>> Could someone please enlighten me - Which should it be? Or are they two >>> separate places in Co Kerry? >>> >>> Regards >>> Val. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1628 - Release Date: >>> 22.08.2008 >>> 18:32 >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 1530 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you for your reply Kevin. Yes I am aware of using caution when looking at Census records. My couple had a child baptised in Co Kerry (at Killarney) and the father was a coastguard from Co Cork who served at various places on the south coast of Ireland and England. I am hoping to find a birthplace to narrow my search for gggrandmother's parents. After almost 30 years of family research it's the one line that I know little about. Trouble is that Sullivan is a very common name! Thanks again Kevin Val. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Kelly" <mobones@bessi.net> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Kinmare or Kenmare > Hi, Val, > > I don't know Irish geography well, but do be suspicious that the place > name > was taken down correctly. I have an ancestor relation who appeared in the > 1861 English census as having been born in the Irish town of "Kibbercen". > There is no such town, but there is one called Skibbereen. I later found > evidence to support that he indeed was born in or near Skibbereen. > Perhaps > someone took notes in the field, then later transcribed them incorrectly > onto the final census sheet. Who knows? > > Of course, I have not seen the record you cite, but I do know penmanship > in > census records varies wildly. An 'e' can sometimes look like an 'i', > especially if there is a stray mark near it that resembles a proper dot. > > Best wishes, > Kevin in MO, USA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Val Messer" <valmess@b130.aone.net.au> > To: <BEARA@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:38 PM > Subject: [BEARA] Kinmare or Kenmare > > >> Hi from Qld., Australia, >> >> In England Census records of 1851 and 1861 the place of birth for my >> gggrandmother, Ellen Morrissey nee Sullivan, appears to be KINMARE. >> However, when I googled for some information about the place I was asked >> 'Do >> you mean KENMARE?' >> >> The Census record definitely shows KINMARE as the dot is clearly above >> the >> letter 'i.' Or is it a case of confusion in hearing the Irish accent? >> >> Could someone please enlighten me - Which should it be? Or are they two >> separate places in Co Kerry? >> >> Regards >> Val. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1628 - Release Date: >> 22.08.2008 >> 18:32 >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Val, I think Kenmare would be the one. Re the coastguards the following might be of some help. http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/news.php Regards, Brendan Jones.

Hi from Qld., Australia, In England Census records of 1851 and 1861 the place of birth for my gggrandmother, Ellen Morrissey nee Sullivan, appears to be KINMARE. However, when I googled for some information about the place I was asked 'Do you mean KENMARE?' The Census record definitely shows KINMARE as the dot is clearly above the letter 'i.' Or is it a case of confusion in hearing the Irish accent? Could someone please enlighten me - Which should it be? Or are they two separate places in Co Kerry? Regards Val.

The place has to be Kenmare (Co. Kerry). People pronounce it as if it were Kinmare. ---- Riobard. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Kelly" <mobones@bessi.net> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:35 AM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Kinmare or Kenmare > Hi, Val, > > I don't know Irish geography well, but do be suspicious that the place > name > was taken down correctly. I have an ancestor relation who appeared in the > 1861 English census as having been born in the Irish town of "Kibbercen". > There is no such town, but there is one called Skibbereen. I later found > evidence to support that he indeed was born in or near Skibbereen. > Perhaps > someone took notes in the field, then later transcribed them incorrectly > onto the final census sheet. Who knows? > > Of course, I have not seen the record you cite, but I do know penmanship > in > census records varies wildly. An 'e' can sometimes look like an 'i', > especially if there is a stray mark near it that resembles a proper dot. > > Best wishes, > Kevin in MO, USA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Val Messer" <valmess@b130.aone.net.au> > To: <BEARA@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:38 PM > Subject: [BEARA] Kinmare or Kenmare > > >> Hi from Qld., Australia, >> >> In England Census records of 1851 and 1861 the place of birth for my >> gggrandmother, Ellen Morrissey nee Sullivan, appears to be KINMARE. >> However, when I googled for some information about the place I was asked >> 'Do >> you mean KENMARE?' >> >> The Census record definitely shows KINMARE as the dot is clearly above >> the >> letter 'i.' Or is it a case of confusion in hearing the Irish accent? >> >> Could someone please enlighten me - Which should it be? Or are they two >> separate places in Co Kerry? >> >> Regards >> Val. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1628 - Release Date: >> 22.08.2008 >> 18:32 >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1530 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Remember that your relie although intellegent I am sure was not able to read or write at that time. In my studies of the Irish in Wales about this time, I see a lot of Bantry, Bearhaven and Bandon, towns which could be understood as it was spoken and written by a person not geographically or culturally tuned in. For example, I have a "Klamkelthy" which I assume to be Clonakilty when I put that spelling together with other regionally tied evidence. I believe that the more complicated phonetical place names with more sylables were simply recorded as "Ireland". It was a rare enumerator who cared enough to try but even those were the easy to understand placenames. Those are just my theories, no proof. With that in mind I wouldn't bat an eye at "Kinmare". That is most likely KENMARE. John On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Mike Saunders <csaunders65@gmail.com>wrote: > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Val Messer <valmess@b130.aone.net.au > >wrote: > > > Hi from Qld., Australia, > > > > In England Census records of 1851 and 1861 the place of birth for my > > gggrandmother, Ellen Morrissey nee Sullivan, appears to be KINMARE. > > However, when I googled for some information about the place I was asked > > 'Do > > you mean KENMARE?' > > > > Here is some info which may be of help. > > >From the IreAtlas Townland Data Base > Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province > KENMARE T. xx Kerry Glanarought Kenmare Kenmare Munster > Kenmare 268 Kerry Glanarought Kenmare Kenmare Munster > Kenmare Old 253 Kerry Glanarought Kenmare Kenmare Munster > http://www.seanruad.com/ > > I also searched for a Kinmare but none is listed. > > Mike > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Val Messer <valmess@b130.aone.net.au>wrote: > Hi from Qld., Australia, > > In England Census records of 1851 and 1861 the place of birth for my > gggrandmother, Ellen Morrissey nee Sullivan, appears to be KINMARE. > However, when I googled for some information about the place I was asked > 'Do > you mean KENMARE?' > > Here is some info which may be of help. >From the IreAtlas Townland Data Base Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province KENMARE T. xx Kerry Glanarought Kenmare Kenmare Munster Kenmare 268 Kerry Glanarought Kenmare Kenmare Munster Kenmare Old 253 Kerry Glanarought Kenmare Kenmare Munster http://www.seanruad.com/ I also searched for a Kinmare but none is listed. Mike