Some of my cousins, also in America, are Sullivans. My father, Patrick O'Sullivan, always assumed that his brothers dropped the O when they emigrated, but it turns out that my grandfather and great-grandfather (both named Cornelius); my grandfather even signed the 1909 census with that name. But my dad always thought his name was O'Sullivan! And he didn't think find the difference in names particualrly important or interesting--somehow, the subject apparently never came up until one of my cousins started to do some genealogical research. I get the impression that my family saw Sullivan and O'Sullivan as interchangeable, with the "O'" almost analogous to a middle initial that one sometimes includes in one's signature and sometimes omits. But could the "O'" possibly have been a kind of assertion of Irish identity on the part of my grandparents and on behalf of my father? My dad was the youngest in his family, and he was born in 1920; most of his siblings, if not all of them, were born before the Easter Rising. I wonder if my grandparents could have included the "O'" in their youngest son's name, and perhaps put in back in their own, in the spirit of the Irish independence movement and revival of Irish culture. It's probably a longshot, but I thought I'd put it out there--it would be kind of cool, I think. Brian ________________________________________ From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lisa O [ohlisao@att.net] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:30 AM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] O'Sullivan or Sullivan? Thanks Seamus, Not sure I explained my question well enough. John O'Sullivan is listed as such in most records, but he signed himself just Sullivan on the census, which is the first time we'd seen the name without the O'. The O was integral to the family in the US and never dropped, and from all previous accounts had always been 'attached'. That's why we were surprised I guess. Maybe it had more to do with 'fitting in', or rather, being less conspicuous during the unrest in Ireland?? And yes, the family is/were strong Catholics. I do see your point though, as I have used more than one name :) Lisa -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of seamus O'More Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:32 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] O'Sullivan or Sullivan? Lisa, "O" means grandson. The O'Sullivan's were strong Catholic's in Co. Cork and using the "O" meant it. Where they came over to the state's they dropped it in most case's seemed easier to fit in. If they went back they added it back. In hunting the family lines down use what they did at the time they did. It is what they called themselves. If you have put the "O" back where it belongs then that's you not them. Names are just that names. Like numbers you 1 is 1 and 2 is 2. Just how it is. O'Sullivan in 1897 is O'Sullivan in 1897.... Sullivan in 1897 is Sullivan in 1897. See easy ay? Write down their names as they used them. Too much thought is unnessisary. Seamus O'More (aka James Moore) Pepole know I am the James Moore who calles himself Seamus O'More. Slan Seamus --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> Subject: [BEARA] O'Sullivan or Sullivan? To: beara@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 3:13 PM Anyone have any a suggestion to how I should note my family on our Gedcom. I found our O'Sullvan's listed on the 1901 census as Sullivan, written by John and signed as such. This is a new development and makes me wonder how I should proceed to search for John's father Roger and grandparents. Do you think I should try to find Roger Sullivan now?? Lisa ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm not sure I understand the O meaning "grandson". Wouldn't that mean that ALL the men would be O'Sullivans and the women would ALL be Sullivans? Thanks! Phil Brown (a Harrington) ---- Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: ============= Thanks Seamus, Not sure I explained my question well enough. John O'Sullivan is listed as such in most records, but he signed himself just Sullivan on the census, which is the first time we'd seen the name without the O'. The O was integral to the family in the US and never dropped, and from all previous accounts had always been 'attached'. That's why we were surprised I guess. Maybe it had more to do with 'fitting in', or rather, being less conspicuous during the unrest in Ireland?? And yes, the family is/were strong Catholics. I do see your point though, as I have used more than one name :) Lisa -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of seamus O'More Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:32 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] O'Sullivan or Sullivan? Lisa, "O" means grandson. The O'Sullivan's were strong Catholic's in Co. Cork and using the "O" meant it. Where they came over to the state's they dropped it in most case's seemed easier to fit in. If they went back they added it back. In hunting the family lines down use what they did at the time they did. It is what they called themselves. If you have put the "O" back where it belongs then that's you not them. Names are just that names. Like numbers you 1 is 1 and 2 is 2. Just how it is. O'Sullivan in 1897 is O'Sullivan in 1897.... Sullivan in 1897 is Sullivan in 1897. See easy ay? Write down their names as they used them.  Too much thought is unnessisary. Seamus O'More (aka James Moore) Pepole know I am the James Moore who calles himself Seamus O'More. Slan Seamus --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> Subject: [BEARA] O'Sullivan or Sullivan? To: beara@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 3:13 PM Anyone have any a suggestion to how I should note my family on our Gedcom. I found our O'Sullvan's listed on the 1901 census as Sullivan, written by John and signed as such.  This is a new development and makes me wonder how I should proceed to search for John's father Roger and grandparents.  Do you think I should try to find Roger Sullivan now?? Lisa ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Until quite recently, individuals answered a census taker's questions and the census taker recorded their answers. Usually one person per household was consulted and in some cases neighbors supplied the information. The individual being "counted" did not write on the form. The census takers were almost always middle class men. I have seen census forms in the US where areas with a heavily Irish population were marked --"too dangerous to canvas" in the nineteenth century. I have also seen the O in Irish surnames recorded as a middle initial with a period after it on census forms in the US and on other official forms in the US and the UK. This is also why names, both surnames and forenames are often spelled in variant forms from form to form and people sometimes gave inaccurate information, especially about ability to read and write and marital status. They wanted to avoid embarrassing themselves by admitting illiteracy, for example, to a well-dressed, middle class and possibly condescending census taker. The census schedules are not perfect -- just track people's ages from census to census and you'll be convinced. Sometimes the presence or absence of O and Mac, in its variant forms, can be a hint as to when emigration took place because there was a time when the use of O and Mac was dropped and people would have had a practice of using the "legal" form with officials. Resumption began with the rise of the Gaelic league in 1893, but was uneven. Edward MacLysaght's various books on Irish surnames discuss this and are very useful. If you trace far enough back there are a variety of English forms for Gaelic names. O Maolagain, for example, can also be Milligan, Molohan, or Baldwin. (O Maolagain is generally translated as descendant of the Maol (bald one).) claiamhain isteach had a mildly pejorative meaning. Bill Mulligan William H. Mulligan, Jr., Ph.D. Professor of History Graduate Program Coordinator Murray State University Murray KY 42071-3341 USA Office: 1-270-809-6571 Fax: 1-270-809-6587

Thanks Seamus, Not sure I explained my question well enough. John O'Sullivan is listed as such in most records, but he signed himself just Sullivan on the census, which is the first time we'd seen the name without the O'. The O was integral to the family in the US and never dropped, and from all previous accounts had always been 'attached'. That's why we were surprised I guess. Maybe it had more to do with 'fitting in', or rather, being less conspicuous during the unrest in Ireland?? And yes, the family is/were strong Catholics. I do see your point though, as I have used more than one name :) Lisa -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of seamus O'More Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:32 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] O'Sullivan or Sullivan? Lisa, "O" means grandson. The O'Sullivan's were strong Catholic's in Co. Cork and using the "O" meant it. Where they came over to the state's they dropped it in most case's seemed easier to fit in. If they went back they added it back. In hunting the family lines down use what they did at the time they did. It is what they called themselves. If you have put the "O" back where it belongs then that's you not them. Names are just that names. Like numbers you 1 is 1 and 2 is 2. Just how it is. O'Sullivan in 1897 is O'Sullivan in 1897.... Sullivan in 1897 is Sullivan in 1897. See easy ay? Write down their names as they used them.  Too much thought is unnessisary. Seamus O'More (aka James Moore) Pepole know I am the James Moore who calles himself Seamus O'More. Slan Seamus --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> Subject: [BEARA] O'Sullivan or Sullivan? To: beara@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 3:13 PM Anyone have any a suggestion to how I should note my family on our Gedcom. I found our O'Sullvan's listed on the 1901 census as Sullivan, written by John and signed as such.  This is a new development and makes me wonder how I should proceed to search for John's father Roger and grandparents.  Do you think I should try to find Roger Sullivan now?? Lisa ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Remember the impotance of the "O" The Ard Righ was also elected from the "derbfine" of his family.  Righ were chosen from the derbfine This derbfine was tagged with an "Mc", "Mac" or "O" it was for purpose of voting on clan matters( went back about 4 gens in the same family. All related to the same father or grandad,( hence grandson's and their cousin's, who are grandson's, just from another son, that's all). It was important for the clans to know who was in the derbfine. (The bards job) Now it was also important to the english to distroy this power base. So no more O's and Mac's or Mc's was made a LAW and then they thought, no more clan. Still there are O'Sullivan's in the year 2009.  What does this show? God bless you all Sesamus --- On Fri, 7/17/09, TheChilts <ad2wh@talktalk.net> wrote: From: TheChilts <ad2wh@talktalk.net> Subject: Re: [BEARA] O'Sullivan or Sullivan? To: beara@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 5:36 AM Hi Guys, My 'Irish expert' has explained to me that where 'Mac' precedes a name it stands for 'son of' and that the 'O' actually means 'descendant of' rather than just grandson.  Also claiamhain isteach means 'son in-law'. You will notice that where this is stated, there is no male member in the family that he has married into.  Have I got this right Jim ?? Regards - Ann Berry -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronald Barnes Sent: 17 July 2009 05:51 To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] O'Sullivan or Sullivan? Hi, You seem to be knowledgeable, and though I don't want to show my ignorance I am going to ask.  Could you tell me what they mean when they say he went "cliamyhain isteach" to Catherine or whomever of some other town.  I see this several times in Riobards book of Eyeries. when talking about someone marries a lady from another town. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "seamus O'More" <seamusjames@yahoo.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] O'Sullivan or Sullivan? Lisa, "O" means grandson. The O'Sullivan's were strong Catholic's in Co. Cork and using the "O" meant it. Where they came over to the state's they dropped it in most case's seemed easier to fit in. If they went back they added it back. In hunting the family lines down use what they did at the time they did. It is what they called themselves. If you have put the "O" back where it belongs then that's you not them. Names are just that names. Like numbers you 1 is 1 and 2 is 2. Just how it is. O'Sullivan in 1897 is O'Sullivan in 1897.... Sullivan in 1897 is Sullivan in 1897. See easy ay? Write down their names as they used them. Too much thought is unnessisary. Seamus O'More (aka James Moore) Pepole know I am the James Moore who calles himself Seamus O'More. Slan Seamus --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> Subject: [BEARA] O'Sullivan or Sullivan? To: beara@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 3:13 PM Anyone have any a suggestion to how I should note my family on our Gedcom. I found our O'Sullvan's listed on the 1901 census as Sullivan, written by John and signed as such. This is a new development and makes me wonder how I should proceed to search for John's father Roger and grandparents. Do you think I should try to find Roger Sullivan now?? Lisa ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, You seem to be knowledgeable, and though I don't want to show my ignorance I am going to ask. Could you tell me what they mean when they say he went "cliamyhain isteach" to Catherine or whomever of some other town. I see this several times in Riobards book of Eyeries. when talking about someone marries a lady from another town. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "seamus O'More" <seamusjames@yahoo.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] O'Sullivan or Sullivan? Lisa, "O" means grandson. The O'Sullivan's were strong Catholic's in Co. Cork and using the "O" meant it. Where they came over to the state's they dropped it in most case's seemed easier to fit in. If they went back they added it back. In hunting the family lines down use what they did at the time they did. It is what they called themselves. If you have put the "O" back where it belongs then that's you not them. Names are just that names. Like numbers you 1 is 1 and 2 is 2. Just how it is. O'Sullivan in 1897 is O'Sullivan in 1897.... Sullivan in 1897 is Sullivan in 1897. See easy ay? Write down their names as they used them. Too much thought is unnessisary. Seamus O'More (aka James Moore) Pepole know I am the James Moore who calles himself Seamus O'More. Slan Seamus --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> Subject: [BEARA] O'Sullivan or Sullivan? To: beara@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 3:13 PM Anyone have any a suggestion to how I should note my family on our Gedcom. I found our O'Sullvan's listed on the 1901 census as Sullivan, written by John and signed as such. This is a new development and makes me wonder how I should proceed to search for John's father Roger and grandparents. Do you think I should try to find Roger Sullivan now?? Lisa ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lisa, "O" means grandson. The O'Sullivan's were strong Catholic's in Co. Cork and using the "O" meant it. Where they came over to the state's they dropped it in most case's seemed easier to fit in. If they went back they added it back. In hunting the family lines down use what they did at the time they did. It is what they called themselves. If you have put the "O" back where it belongs then that's you not them. Names are just that names. Like numbers you 1 is 1 and 2 is 2. Just how it is. O'Sullivan in 1897 is O'Sullivan in 1897.... Sullivan in 1897 is Sullivan in 1897. See easy ay? Write down their names as they used them.  Too much thought is unnessisary. Seamus O'More (aka James Moore) Pepole know I am the James Moore who calles himself Seamus O'More. Slan Seamus --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> Subject: [BEARA] O'Sullivan or Sullivan? To: beara@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 3:13 PM Anyone have any a suggestion to how I should note my family on our Gedcom. I found our O'Sullvan's listed on the 1901 census as Sullivan, written by John and signed as such.  This is a new development and makes me wonder how I should proceed to search for John's father Roger and grandparents.  Do you think I should try to find Roger Sullivan now?? Lisa ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anyone have any a suggestion to how I should note my family on our Gedcom. I found our O'Sullvan's listed on the 1901 census as Sullivan, written by John and signed as such. This is a new development and makes me wonder how I should proceed to search for John's father Roger and grandparents. Do you think I should try to find Roger Sullivan now?? Lisa

Can anyone help? Solving a problem in family history only begets another......having kindly been given the parents of Patrick  Sullivan of Rossmacowen born 1840 as Denis and Margaret does anyone know of their parents and the when and where of their marriage? Regards,  Bob Simmonds

Hello Riobard, Thank you for a very quick resonse and the information. Bob ________________________________ From: Riobard O'Dwyer <beararesearchodwyer@eircom.net> To: beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 14 July, 2009 19:33:01 Subject: Re: [BEARA] Patrick Sullivan It would seem as if he was Patrick Sullivan, son of Denis Sullivan & Margaret Sullivan, of the townland of Rossmacowen, Parish of Castletownbere.                             ---- Riobard. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Simmonds" <bobsimmonds249@yahoo.co.uk> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 6:40 PM Subject: [BEARA] Patrick Sullivan > Can you help?...........he was born in Castletown in 1840. > > Regards, > > Bob Simmonds > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It would seem as if he was Patrick Sullivan, son of Denis Sullivan & Margaret Sullivan, of the townland of Rossmacowen, Parish of Castletownbere. ---- Riobard. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Simmonds" <bobsimmonds249@yahoo.co.uk> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 6:40 PM Subject: [BEARA] Patrick Sullivan > Can you help?...........he was born in Castletown in 1840. > > Regards, > > Bob Simmonds > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Bill Thank you for your kind invitation............all I know is that on the UK1911 Census he said he was 71 and was born in Castletownbere Co Cork...although by then a widower I know that his wife's christian name was Joanna ( Johanna ) and that they married in Ireland. Thank you, Bob Simmonds   ________________________________ From: Bill Gawne <gawne@cesmail.net> To: beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 14 July, 2009 18:53:09 Subject: Re: [BEARA] Patrick Sullivan Hi Bob, There were many Patrick Sullivans born in or around Castletownbere in  1840.  Would you by any chance know the names of his parents?  Or  perhaps a brother or sister?  Sullivan is a terribly common name in  the Beara peninsula. Bill Gawne Robert Simmonds <bobsimmonds249@yahoo.co.uk> writes: > Can you help?...........he was born in Castletown in 1840. > > Regards, > > Bob Simmonds ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can you help?...........he was born in Castletown in 1840. Regards, Bob Simmonds

Does anyone on the list know of a jockey named Mickey Dee. I take water aerobics with his sister.She says that he still trains horses on their farm in County Cork. She has been in the states for a number of years and still has that beautiful Irish brogue. Jessie

I was thinking the same thing. I looked through my list of people and no one matches. Best of luck! Stephanie > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:53:09 -0400 > From: gawne@cesmail.net > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Patrick Sullivan > > Hi Bob, > > There were many Patrick Sullivans born in or around Castletownbere in > 1840. Would you by any chance know the names of his parents? Or > perhaps a brother or sister? Sullivan is a terribly common name in > the Beara peninsula. > > Bill Gawne > > Robert Simmonds <bobsimmonds249@yahoo.co.uk> writes: > > > Can you help?...........he was born in Castletown in 1840. > > > > Regards, > > > > Bob Simmonds > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bob, There were many Patrick Sullivans born in or around Castletownbere in 1840. Would you by any chance know the names of his parents? Or perhaps a brother or sister? Sullivan is a terribly common name in the Beara peninsula. Bill Gawne Robert Simmonds <bobsimmonds249@yahoo.co.uk> writes: > Can you help?...........he was born in Castletown in 1840. > > Regards, > > Bob Simmonds

Hi, Bob, As Riobard O'Dwyer has so oft pointed out, if Mr. Sullivan reported his birth place as Castletown, that might be only an approximation. There were many villages nearby that few people he was acquainted with in the States would ever in their life have heard about, so he might have said "Castletown," which in contrast was (relatively) well known. Keep an open mind unless you know for certain. Of course, that puts him in with a host of other Sullivan's (and O'Sullivans) from the area. A resident of Castletownbere once remarked to me, "at 2 a.m. on a dark night, you could throw a stone and be sure to hit an O'Sullivan." Kevin in MO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Simmonds" <bobsimmonds249@yahoo.co.uk> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:40 PM Subject: [BEARA] Patrick Sullivan > Can you help?...........he was born in Castletown in 1840. > > Regards, > > Bob Simmonds > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.13/2237 - Release Date: 07/14/09 05:56:00

I would assume that Michael Sheehan the columnist is either very, very old now, or more probably, is dead. In addition to writing his column in the Irish World, he was a doorman at an apartment house on either Park or Fifth Avenue here in Manhattan and, I assume, went home to Beara when he retired from his job. That was sometime in the 1970s. Margaret Duffy NY and Inchenteskin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald Barnes" <barnes149@comcast.net> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 11:03 PM Subject: [BEARA] Columnist Michael Sheehan descendant of Stephen Holland theteacher > Hi, > I am looking for information on Michael Sheehan who wrote a column in The > Irish World and American Industrial Liberator and Gaelic American in 1969. > In his column he was talking about the death of Michael Holland son of > Cornelius Holland and Margaret(nee Sullivan) of Kilmackowen, Eyeries, > Cork, Ireland. > > In his column he mentions that he himself was also a descendant of Stephen > Holland the famous Irish rebel teacher. > Does anyone know the family line of this Michael Sheehan or how to get in > touch with him? > > Terry > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Bill, Thank you so much for this response. I was able to track him. Tade Sheehan married Nora Holland daughter of Stephen Holland the hedgemaster. Tade had a son Paddy married Nell Murphy of upper Cahirkeem, they had a son Mike who married Kate(Brohill)O'Sullivan and had this Michael. I would give anything to get hold of Riobards book, but I do have copies of a few of the pages. Lucky for me, those pages were in my copies that a distant cousin sent me. That is so wonderful that you got go there and meet him. That must have been fascinating. Oh, I did check,his death is listed as 1996 in Dublin. >From what I have read, and heard we lost a very wonderful man. I have not yet been to Ireland, thought I might try and find the facts first. Everyday I want to get there more. Thanks again Terry Colorado ----- Original Message ----- From: <bsull1922@yahoo.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Columnist Michael Sheehan descendant of Stephen Hollandthe teacher Ron, I knew Mike Sheehan. In his later years, he returned to Ireland to live. His home was next to the Grotto on Cahirkeem. As my wife, Meriam and I were driving west on the Eyeries to Allihies road one day, we saw this man waving us down as we approached the corner beyond which the Grotto is found.-He asked me if I was Bill Sullivan who had been asking questions in a pub in Urhan the previous day. I told him that I was the guy.-- We went to his home nearby and had a great time talking. The next day we invited him to lunch at the Cametringane Hotel in Castletownbere where we were staying. He showed us around Castletownbere, which we knew quite well. Mike told us all about his background and his travels. Many of the details escape me now. I am quite sure he told me that he had become an American citizen during his years in New York and elsewhere. I believe he spent some years in Butte. He had fairly recently, maybe 1-2 years earlier, applied for American Social Security and was getting it. He had taken up painting and showed us some of his work. He took us to a pub in C-bere that had one of his paintings hanging on the wall behind the bar. He also took us to the hospital on the east edge of town and introduced us to all the nuns and many of the elder patients. It seemed to be more like a nursing home than a hospital. I got the impression that he was looking forward to moving in there.. I would guess that was the early to mid 1990's. In 1998, we rented the house at the corner roughly across the street from the Grotto for a month. I don't remember seeing Mike during that time, so he probably move out before that. The house we rented was known as the Jeremiah Murphy farm. We rented it from his son Brendan who lives in C-bere. Another son, a brother of Brendans, is Connie Murphy, a retired school teacher and a top authority on the history of Beara. We met Connie and his wife Eileen and have become long time friends. Riobard O'Dwyer's Eyeries book tells all about Mike and his family on page 254. If you haven't talked to Riobard you should. He has done enormous research about Beara families. I don't know if he is still offering research services but you should ask him. He very likely knew some of your relatives past and present. He knows everybody. I have learned all about my family from him. He and his wife Joan have been good friends of ours since 1985. His E-mail address is beararesearchodwyer@eircom.net My father's father, Jeremiah Diarmuid O'Sullivan Rochtirre lived up the hill behind the Grotto, which was built long after he went to Michigans Copper Country. My Dad's mother, Ellen Harrington ( Caobach), lived on the little road going down to Kenmare Bay from that same corner where we rented the house in 1998 Bill Sullivan Hudson, FL Wed, 7/8/09, Ronald Barnes <barnes149@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ronald Barnes <barnes149@comcast.net> Subject: [BEARA] Columnist Michael Sheehan descendant of Stephen Holland the teacher To: beara@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:03 PM Hi, I am looking for information on Michael Sheehan who wrote a column in The Irish World and American Industrial Liberator and Gaelic American in 1969. In his column he was talking about the death of Michael Holland son of Cornelius Holland and Margaret(nee Sullivan) of Kilmackowen, Eyeries, Cork, Ireland. In his column he mentions that he himself was also a descendant of Stephen Holland the famous Irish rebel teacher. Does anyone know the family line of this Michael Sheehan or how to get in touch with him? Terry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ron,   I knew Mike Sheehan. In his later years, he returned to Ireland to live. His home was next to the Grotto on Cahirkeem. As my wife, Meriam and I were driving west on the Eyeries to Allihies road one day, we saw this man waving us down as we approached the corner beyond which the Grotto is found.-He asked me if I was Bill Sullivan who had been asking questions in a pub in Urhan the previous day. I told him that I was the guy.-- We went to his home nearby and had a great time talking. The next day we invited him to lunch at the Cametringane Hotel in Castletownbere where we were staying. He showed us around Castletownbere, which we knew quite well.   Mike told us all about his background and his travels. Many of  the details escape me now. I am quite sure he told me that he had become an American citizen during his years in New York and elsewhere. I believe he spent some years in Butte. He had fairly recently, maybe 1-2 years earlier, applied for American Social Security and was getting it. He had taken up painting and showed us some of his work. He took us to a pub in C-bere that had one of his paintings hanging on the wall behind the bar. He also took us to the hospital on the east edge of town and introduced us to all the nuns and many of the elder patients. It seemed to be more like a nursing home than a hospital. I got the impression that he was looking forward to moving in there..   I would guess that was the early to mid  1990's. In 1998, we rented the house at the corner roughly across the street from the Grotto for a month. I don't remember seeing Mike during that time, so he probably move out before that. The house we rented was known as the Jeremiah Murphy farm. We rented it from his son Brendan who lives in C-bere. Another son, a brother of Brendans, is Connie Murphy, a retired school teacher and a top authority on the history of Beara. We met Connie and his wife Eileen and have become long time friends.   Riobard O'Dwyer's Eyeries book tells all about Mike and his family on page 254. If you haven't talked to Riobard you should. He has done enormous research about Beara families. I don't know if he is still offering research services but you should ask him. He very likely knew some of your relatives past and present. He knows everybody.  I have learned all about my family from him. He and his wife Joan have been good friends of ours since 1985. His E-mail address is beararesearchodwyer@eircom.net     My father's father, Jeremiah Diarmuid O'Sullivan Rochtirre lived up the hill behind the Grotto, which was built long after he went to Michigans Copper Country. My Dad's mother, Ellen Harrington ( Caobach), lived on the little road going down to Kenmare Bay from that same corner where we rented the house in 1998   Bill Sullivan Hudson, FL       Wed, 7/8/09, Ronald Barnes <barnes149@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ronald Barnes <barnes149@comcast.net> Subject: [BEARA] Columnist Michael Sheehan descendant of Stephen Holland the teacher To: beara@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:03 PM Hi, I am looking for information on Michael Sheehan who wrote a column in The Irish World and American Industrial Liberator and Gaelic American in 1969.  In his column he was talking about the death of Michael Holland son of Cornelius Holland and Margaret(nee Sullivan) of Kilmackowen, Eyeries, Cork, Ireland. In his column he mentions that he himself was also a descendant of Stephen Holland the famous Irish rebel teacher. Does anyone know the family line of this Michael Sheehan or how to get in touch with him? Terry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message