Dear Theresa, Jeremiah and Honora came from the townland of Muckera in Glengarriff. They had six children. Jeremiah was son of Daniel Murphy & Julia Mahony. Daniel was born about eighteen eleven & Julia about eighteen fourteen. Riobard. ----- Original Message ----- From: <kerstentm@snowcrest.net> To: <Beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:40 PM Subject: [BEARA] More Sullivan and Murphy research > To all, > I've an odd question. I've been so busy tracking the burial places of > my ancestors here, that I've never thought about where people in > Eyeries could be buried. Is Kilcatherine Cemetery the only possibility? > I've also been searching for the parents of Michael Murphy from Butte > Montana who married Mary Murphy in Butte. Mary was daughter of > Patrick Murphy who was wed to Maggie Sullivan. The parents are Jeremiah > Murphy and Nora Sullivan of Glengariff. We have Riobard's Eyeries book, > but don't know if Glengariff is included or is in another of his books. > I'm > just amazed that we miraculously have found any leads. Theresa > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. > http://www.snowcrest.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hey Riobard!! I hear that you are gonna take a six month break. It's about time you took a vacation because you sure deserve one. Best regards to your better half too. Take care & rest easy now, both of you, ya hear!! Don (Bhui) O'Leary - Indianapolis, IN - USA

Thank you Lisa, I did not know that. --- On Thu, 10/29/09, Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 To: beara@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 5:11 PM I was referring to the second generation foreign born's ability to get Irish citizenship.  I was wondering if once my husband has citizenship, his children and grandchildren would also be eligible. Another poster advised me no, it was only available to 1st & 2nd generation foreign born children. Lisa -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maggie Appleton Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:58 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 What is the second generation rule? ________________________________ From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> To: beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:14:34 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 How DO you submit a request for an Irish passport/Foreign Birth Registration?  My husband is second generation and I would like to request one for him.  Does anyone know if once he has one the 2 generation 'rule' begins again?  Just wondering if his registration  would later entitle our grandchildren to one as well. I guess I'm putting the horse before the cart as I have yet to get an official birth certificate or baptism for his grandfather as well.  Did they issue birth certificates as of 1895?  John and Bridget were born and buried on Bere Island. I have checked and see the closest Irish Embassy to me is in Houston, TX. Do I physically have to go there?  I have done a bit of internet searching, but find nothing particular to USA residents, though I have emailed the London FBR office for assistance as well. Lisa O'Sullivan Texas -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Slattery Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:53 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 Kevin, I had no trouble four years ago submitting a Baptism certificate for my grandfather,(from Waterford City - 1850),as this was all that was available for that period; so hopefully, they would accept Church certification of the Baptism as a replacement for a missing Birth certificate. Geraldine Slattery, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kevin MacKinnon Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 1:17 AM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 I have tried twice now to get a birth certificate for my g-grandmother Catharine O'Sullivan (born in Adrigole 1978) without success.  They told me that its likely that the birth was never registered.  If that is the case, is an Irish passport for my father out of the question??  I know (thru Riobard) that her baptismal records are available. Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was referring to the second generation foreign born's ability to get Irish citizenship. I was wondering if once my husband has citizenship, his children and grandchildren would also be eligible. Another poster advised me no, it was only available to 1st & 2nd generation foreign born children. Lisa -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maggie Appleton Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:58 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 What is the second generation rule? ________________________________ From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> To: beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:14:34 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 How DO you submit a request for an Irish passport/Foreign Birth Registration?  My husband is second generation and I would like to request one for him.  Does anyone know if once he has one the 2 generation 'rule' begins again?  Just wondering if his registration  would later entitle our grandchildren to one as well. I guess I'm putting the horse before the cart as I have yet to get an official birth certificate or baptism for his grandfather as well.  Did they issue birth certificates as of 1895?  John and Bridget were born and buried on Bere Island. I have checked and see the closest Irish Embassy to me is in Houston, TX. Do I physically have to go there?  I have done a bit of internet searching, but find nothing particular to USA residents, though I have emailed the London FBR office for assistance as well. Lisa O'Sullivan Texas -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Slattery Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:53 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 Kevin, I had no trouble four years ago submitting a Baptism certificate for my grandfather,(from Waterford City - 1850),as this was all that was available for that period; so hopefully, they would accept Church certification of the Baptism as a replacement for a missing Birth certificate. Geraldine Slattery, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kevin MacKinnon Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 1:17 AM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 I have tried twice now to get a birth certificate for my g-grandmother Catharine O'Sullivan (born in Adrigole 1978) without success.  They told me that its likely that the birth was never registered.  If that is the case, is an Irish passport for my father out of the question??  I know (thru Riobard) that her baptismal records are available. Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The special law which authorized Irish citizenship, passed in 1955, applied to children of people whose parents were born in Ireland. It was changed for clarification in 1959 because they found that the next, third generation was found to be included under certain interpretations of the original law. The revision made it clear that the law applies only to the second generation, those whose grandparents were born in Ireland. The second generation does not need this avenue. They are automatically Irish citizens if at least one of their parents was born in Ireland. When I sought such recognition for an aunt of mine, I asked the Chicago Consul to give me a simple letter for her. Of course I provided the name and  birth date of her father who was born in Kildare. I provided him with a copy of the baptismal certificate which I had found in the chapel of the Curragh Camp in Kildare. He sent a nice letter, confirming that she was an Irish citizen. I gave it to her as a 90th birthay present.   This is not the only way to become an Irish citizen. If someone immigrates to Ireland and lives there a required time, makes application and fulfils all requirements they can achieve citizenship the old fashioned way.  It is over 50 years since I went thru the quickie process ( second generation), so its quite possible that I may out of date. You should contact the Irish Embassy or any Consulate office to learn up-to-date rules and get the documents you need to make application. Bill Sullivan ________________________________ From: Maggie Appleton <asyoulikeit@snet.net> To: beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 2:57:33 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 What is the second generation rule? ________________________________ From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> To: beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:14:34 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 How DO you submit a request for an Irish passport/Foreign Birth Registration?  My husband is second generation and I would like to request one for him.  Does anyone know if once he has one the 2 generation 'rule' begins again?  Just wondering if his registration  would later entitle our grandchildren to one as well. I guess I'm putting the horse before the cart as I have yet to get an official birth certificate or baptism for his grandfather as well.  Did they issue birth certificates as of 1895?  John and Bridget were born and buried on Bere Island. I have checked and see the closest Irish Embassy to me is in Houston, TX. Do I physically have to go there?  I have done a bit of internet searching, but find nothing particular to USA residents, though I have emailed the London FBR office for assistance as well. Lisa O'Sullivan Texas -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Slattery Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:53 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 Kevin, I had no trouble four years ago submitting a Baptism certificate for my grandfather,(from Waterford City - 1850),as this was all that was available for that period; so hopefully, they would accept Church certification of the Baptism as a replacement for a missing Birth certificate. Geraldine Slattery, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kevin MacKinnon Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 1:17 AM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 I have tried twice now to get a birth certificate for my g-grandmother Catharine O'Sullivan (born in Adrigole 1978) without success.  They told me that its likely that the birth was never registered.  If that is the case, is an Irish passport for my father out of the question??  I know (thru Riobard) that her baptismal records are available. Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Riobard, Thank you so much for your gracious reply. I'm most grateful! Theresa > Dear Theresa, > Jeremiah and Honora came from the townland of Muckera > in Glengarriff. They had six children. Jeremiah was son of Daniel Murphy > & > Julia Mahony. Daniel was born about eighteen eleven & Julia about eighteen > fourteen. > Riobard. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <kerstentm@snowcrest.net> > To: <Beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:40 PM > Subject: [BEARA] More Sullivan and Murphy research > > >> To all, >> I've an odd question. I've been so busy tracking the burial places >> of >> my ancestors here, that I've never thought about where people in >> Eyeries could be buried. Is Kilcatherine Cemetery the only >> possibility? >> I've also been searching for the parents of Michael Murphy from >> Butte >> Montana who married Mary Murphy in Butte. Mary was daughter of >> Patrick Murphy who was wed to Maggie Sullivan. The parents are Jeremiah >> Murphy and Nora Sullivan of Glengariff. We have Riobard's Eyeries >> book, >> but don't know if Glengariff is included or is in another of his books. >> I'm >> just amazed that we miraculously have found any leads. Theresa >> >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. >> http://www.snowcrest.net >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. http://www.snowcrest.net

What is the second generation rule? ________________________________ From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> To: beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:14:34 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 How DO you submit a request for an Irish passport/Foreign Birth Registration?  My husband is second generation and I would like to request one for him.  Does anyone know if once he has one the 2 generation 'rule' begins again?  Just wondering if his registration  would later entitle our grandchildren to one as well. I guess I'm putting the horse before the cart as I have yet to get an official birth certificate or baptism for his grandfather as well.  Did they issue birth certificates as of 1895?  John and Bridget were born and buried on Bere Island. I have checked and see the closest Irish Embassy to me is in Houston, TX. Do I physically have to go there?  I have done a bit of internet searching, but find nothing particular to USA residents, though I have emailed the London FBR office for assistance as well. Lisa O'Sullivan Texas -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Slattery Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:53 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 Kevin, I had no trouble four years ago submitting a Baptism certificate for my grandfather,(from Waterford City - 1850),as this was all that was available for that period; so hopefully, they would accept Church certification of the Baptism as a replacement for a missing Birth certificate. Geraldine Slattery, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kevin MacKinnon Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 1:17 AM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 I have tried twice now to get a birth certificate for my g-grandmother Catharine O'Sullivan (born in Adrigole 1978) without success.  They told me that its likely that the birth was never registered.  If that is the case, is an Irish passport for my father out of the question??  I know (thru Riobard) that her baptismal records are available. Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just a point of accuracy. Embassies are usually in capital cities and deal with government to government issues. Consulates are in major population and business cities and deal with person to government issues. The Irish office in Houston is a Consulate. Terry Tara wrote: > Lisa, I did the process several years ago. I went in person to the embassy only because original documents were required and I didn't want to send them for fear of losing them. Also, if you go in person, they will tell you immediately if something is missing. I had to register through my Clare grandmother due to name inconsistencies on my grandfather's records. Good luck! > Tara > > > On Oct 28, 2009, at 3:14 PM, "Lisa O" <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: > > How DO you submit a request for an Irish passport/Foreign Birth > Registration? My husband is second generation and I would like to request > one for him. Does anyone know if once he has one the 2 generation 'rule' > begins again? Just wondering if his registration would later entitle our > grandchildren to one as well. > > I guess I'm putting the horse before the cart as I have yet to get an > official birth certificate or baptism for his grandfather as well. Did they > issue birth certificates as of 1895? John and Bridget were born and buried > on Bere Island. > > I have checked and see the closest Irish Embassy to me is in Houston, TX. > Do I physically have to go there? I have done a bit of internet searching, > but find nothing particular to USA residents, though I have emailed the > London FBR office for assistance as well. > > Lisa O'Sullivan > Texas > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of John Slattery > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:53 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > Kevin, > > I had no trouble four years ago submitting a Baptism certificate for my > grandfather,(from Waterford City - 1850),as this was all that was available > for that period; so hopefully, they would accept Church certification of the > Baptism as a replacement for a missing Birth certificate. > > Geraldine Slattery, > Australia. > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Kevin MacKinnon > Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 1:17 AM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > > I have tried twice now to get a birth certificate for my g-grandmother > Catharine O'Sullivan (born in Adrigole 1978) without success. They told me > that its likely that the birth was never registered. If that is the case, > is an Irish passport for my father out of the question?? I know (thru > Riobard) that her baptismal records are available. > Thanks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Lisa, I did the process several years ago. I went in person to the embassy only because original documents were required and I didn't want to send them for fear of losing them. Also, if you go in person, they will tell you immediately if something is missing. I had to register through my Clare grandmother due to name inconsistencies on my grandfather's records. Good luck! Tara On Oct 28, 2009, at 3:14 PM, "Lisa O" <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: How DO you submit a request for an Irish passport/Foreign Birth Registration? My husband is second generation and I would like to request one for him. Does anyone know if once he has one the 2 generation 'rule' begins again? Just wondering if his registration would later entitle our grandchildren to one as well. I guess I'm putting the horse before the cart as I have yet to get an official birth certificate or baptism for his grandfather as well. Did they issue birth certificates as of 1895? John and Bridget were born and buried on Bere Island. I have checked and see the closest Irish Embassy to me is in Houston, TX. Do I physically have to go there? I have done a bit of internet searching, but find nothing particular to USA residents, though I have emailed the London FBR office for assistance as well. Lisa O'Sullivan Texas -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Slattery Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:53 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 Kevin, I had no trouble four years ago submitting a Baptism certificate for my grandfather,(from Waterford City - 1850),as this was all that was available for that period; so hopefully, they would accept Church certification of the Baptism as a replacement for a missing Birth certificate. Geraldine Slattery, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kevin MacKinnon Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 1:17 AM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 I have tried twice now to get a birth certificate for my g-grandmother Catharine O'Sullivan (born in Adrigole 1978) without success. They told me that its likely that the birth was never registered. If that is the case, is an Irish passport for my father out of the question?? I know (thru Riobard) that her baptismal records are available. Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

LOL, I'm sure my husband will take full advantage of that last~ Lisa O'Sullivan -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of William Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:49 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 Lisa, I went thru that process over 25 years ago in Chicago. I don't remember if I had to go to the Irish office in Chicago, but it worked and I got my citizenship and then a passport. I am sure that I made my initial arrangements by telephone. You should try that first. Incidentally, people have asked me what benefit I got from becoming an Irish citizen. I tell them that there are many advantages, such as it becoming easier and more reasonable to enter Irish universities, but by far the most important advantage is the impression it makes at cocktail parties. Bill Sullivan ________________________________ From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> To: beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 3:14:34 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 How DO you submit a request for an Irish passport/Foreign Birth Registration?  My husband is second generation and I would like to request one for him.  Does anyone know if once he has one the 2 generation 'rule' begins again?  Just wondering if his registration  would later entitle our grandchildren to one as well. I guess I'm putting the horse before the cart as I have yet to get an official birth certificate or baptism for his grandfather as well.  Did they issue birth certificates as of 1895?  John and Bridget were born and buried on Bere Island. I have checked and see the closest Irish Embassy to me is in Houston, TX. Do I physically have to go there?  I have done a bit of internet searching, but find nothing particular to USA residents, though I have emailed the London FBR office for assistance as well. Lisa O'Sullivan Texas -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Slattery Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:53 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 Kevin, I had no trouble four years ago submitting a Baptism certificate for my grandfather,(from Waterford City - 1850),as this was all that was available for that period; so hopefully, they would accept Church certification of the Baptism as a replacement for a missing Birth certificate. Geraldine Slattery, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kevin MacKinnon Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 1:17 AM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 I have tried twice now to get a birth certificate for my g-grandmother Catharine O'Sullivan (born in Adrigole 1978) without success.  They told me that its likely that the birth was never registered.  If that is the case, is an Irish passport for my father out of the question??  I know (thru Riobard) that her baptismal records are available. Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, it's important to remember to always use the US passport when leaving or entering. Although the Irish passport saves a lot of time when entering Ireland or any EU country In a message dated 10/28/09 16:28:14 Eastern Daylight Time, Jf3tamys writes: Decades ago, a friend had an unexpected adventure with his new Irish passport. He was doing a lot of International business travelling at the time and planes were being seized by terrorists all too often. Americans hostages were the most likely to suffer. He had wanted to get an Irish passport anyway, so the thought of greater safety was all he needed to proceed. He got it on a trip to Ireland with no trouble. He then thought that it would look more convincing if it had a few entries in it so he used it for a short trip that he and his wife took to Bermuda. No problem. However, coming home, he was asked for his visa to enter the US. This resulted in his wife returning home alone while he spent three days straightening out the citizenship mess. At least, he was stranded in a lovely place. The moral is: when you travel on an Irish passport, you're an Irish citizen. Jack Flynn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Decades ago, a friend had an unexpected adventure with his new Irish passport. He was doing a lot of International business travelling at the time and planes were being seized by terrorists all too often. Americans hostages were the most likely to suffer. He had wanted to get an Irish passport anyway, so the thought of greater safety was all he needed to proceed. He got it on a trip to Ireland with no trouble. He then thought that it would look more convincing if it had a few entries in it so he used it for a short trip that he and his wife took to Bermuda. No problem. However, coming home, he was asked for his visa to enter the US. This resulted in his wife returning home alone while he spent three days straightening out the citizenship mess. At least, he was stranded in a lovely place. The moral is: when you travel on an Irish passport, you're an Irish citizen. Jack Flynn

I would suggest you go to the Irish Dept. of Foreign Affairs website. http://www.dfa.ie/home/index.aspx?id=267 You'll find most of what you are asking about answered there. William H. Mulligan, Jr., Ph.D. Professor of History Graduate Program Coordinator Murray State University Murray KY 42071-3341 USA Office: 1-270-809-6571 Fax: 1-270-809-6587 -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lisa O Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:15 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 How DO you submit a request for an Irish passport/Foreign Birth Registration? My husband is second generation and I would like to request one for him. Does anyone know if once he has one the 2 generation 'rule' begins again? Just wondering if his registration would later entitle our grandchildren to one as well. I guess I'm putting the horse before the cart as I have yet to get an official birth certificate or baptism for his grandfather as well. Did they issue birth certificates as of 1895? John and Bridget were born and buried on Bere Island. I have checked and see the closest Irish Embassy to me is in Houston, TX. Do I physically have to go there? I have done a bit of internet searching, but find nothing particular to USA residents, though I have emailed the London FBR office for assistance as well. Lisa O'Sullivan Texas

How DO you submit a request for an Irish passport/Foreign Birth Registration? My husband is second generation and I would like to request one for him. Does anyone know if once he has one the 2 generation 'rule' begins again? Just wondering if his registration would later entitle our grandchildren to one as well. I guess I'm putting the horse before the cart as I have yet to get an official birth certificate or baptism for his grandfather as well. Did they issue birth certificates as of 1895? John and Bridget were born and buried on Bere Island. I have checked and see the closest Irish Embassy to me is in Houston, TX. Do I physically have to go there? I have done a bit of internet searching, but find nothing particular to USA residents, though I have emailed the London FBR office for assistance as well. Lisa O'Sullivan Texas -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Slattery Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:53 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 Kevin, I had no trouble four years ago submitting a Baptism certificate for my grandfather,(from Waterford City - 1850),as this was all that was available for that period; so hopefully, they would accept Church certification of the Baptism as a replacement for a missing Birth certificate. Geraldine Slattery, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kevin MacKinnon Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 1:17 AM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 I have tried twice now to get a birth certificate for my g-grandmother Catharine O'Sullivan (born in Adrigole 1978) without success. They told me that its likely that the birth was never registered. If that is the case, is an Irish passport for my father out of the question?? I know (thru Riobard) that her baptismal records are available. Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes you can get birth certs for 1895. Contact me off line and I will help you. Contact- regvolk@silk.net Reg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa O" <ohlisao@att.net> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > How DO you submit a request for an Irish passport/Foreign Birth > Registration? My husband is second generation and I would like to request > one for him. Does anyone know if once he has one the 2 generation 'rule' > begins again? Just wondering if his registration would later entitle our > grandchildren to one as well. > > I guess I'm putting the horse before the cart as I have yet to get an > official birth certificate or baptism for his grandfather as well. Did > they > issue birth certificates as of 1895? John and Bridget were born and > buried > on Bere Island. > > I have checked and see the closest Irish Embassy to me is in Houston, TX. > Do I physically have to go there? I have done a bit of internet > searching, > but find nothing particular to USA residents, though I have emailed the > London FBR office for assistance as well. > > Lisa O'Sullivan > Texas > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of John Slattery > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:53 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > Kevin, > > I had no trouble four years ago submitting a Baptism certificate for my > grandfather,(from Waterford City - 1850),as this was all that was > available > for that period; so hopefully, they would accept Church certification of > the > Baptism as a replacement for a missing Birth certificate. > > Geraldine Slattery, > Australia. > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Kevin MacKinnon > Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 1:17 AM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > > I have tried twice now to get a birth certificate for my g-grandmother > Catharine O'Sullivan (born in Adrigole 1978) without success. They told > me > that its likely that the birth was never registered. If that is the case, > is an Irish passport for my father out of the question?? I know (thru > Riobard) that her baptismal records are available. > Thanks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Lisa, I went thru that process over 25 years ago in Chicago. I don't remember if I had to go to the Irish office in Chicago, but it worked and I got my citizenship and then a passport. I am sure that I made my initial arrangements by telephone. You should try that first. Incidentally, people have asked me what benefit I got from becoming an Irish citizen. I tell them that there are many advantages, such as it becoming easier and more reasonable to enter Irish universities, but by far the most important advantage is the impression it makes at cocktail parties. Bill Sullivan ________________________________ From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> To: beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 3:14:34 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 How DO you submit a request for an Irish passport/Foreign Birth Registration?  My husband is second generation and I would like to request one for him.  Does anyone know if once he has one the 2 generation 'rule' begins again?  Just wondering if his registration  would later entitle our grandchildren to one as well. I guess I'm putting the horse before the cart as I have yet to get an official birth certificate or baptism for his grandfather as well.  Did they issue birth certificates as of 1895?  John and Bridget were born and buried on Bere Island. I have checked and see the closest Irish Embassy to me is in Houston, TX. Do I physically have to go there?  I have done a bit of internet searching, but find nothing particular to USA residents, though I have emailed the London FBR office for assistance as well. Lisa O'Sullivan Texas -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Slattery Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:53 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 Kevin, I had no trouble four years ago submitting a Baptism certificate for my grandfather,(from Waterford City - 1850),as this was all that was available for that period; so hopefully, they would accept Church certification of the Baptism as a replacement for a missing Birth certificate. Geraldine Slattery, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kevin MacKinnon Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 1:17 AM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 I have tried twice now to get a birth certificate for my g-grandmother Catharine O'Sullivan (born in Adrigole 1978) without success.  They told me that its likely that the birth was never registered.  If that is the case, is an Irish passport for my father out of the question??  I know (thru Riobard) that her baptismal records are available. Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Members, I don't think it is a problem of not wanting to give Riobard as much time and space as he would want or need. It seem like some members are putting reply-comments on the list that are in the know. I do not feel it is fair for some members to put personal replies on the list, if the subject isn't an open issue to all listees to inquiry about for clarification and not to be criticized. It seems that some know and most of us don't on this issue. This issue has no affect on Riobard's personally. He is wonderful person to all of us as a friend and a true- professiona Irish Genealogist. "Riobard: Thanks you for all your wonderful and productive hard work to benefit all of us, ". J. Richards On Oct 27, 2009, at 9:34 AM, <jkissinger@bellsouth.net> <jkissinger@bellsouth.net > wrote: > I think we all must realize , he has a life too! > Riobard is a genealogy sage not a slave. > Best > Jack Kissinger > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Moore" <clarabear43@gmail.com> > To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:16 AM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] BEARA Digest, Vol 4, Issue 160 > > >> Yes, please, I too would appreciate an update. >> Pat Moore, Seattle, WA, USA >> >> >> JMorey4657@aol.com wrote: >>> Please explain what has happened to Riobard? I have been away and >>> am now >>> trying to get caught up. >>> Thank You >>> Jeanine >>> _Jmorey4657@aol.com_ (mailto:Jmorey4657@aol.com) >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message Jay Richards jay2@jrichards.com

I think we all must realize , he has a life too! Riobard is a genealogy sage not a slave. Best Jack Kissinger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Moore" <clarabear43@gmail.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:16 AM Subject: Re: [BEARA] BEARA Digest, Vol 4, Issue 160 > Yes, please, I too would appreciate an update. > Pat Moore, Seattle, WA, USA > > > JMorey4657@aol.com wrote: >> Please explain what has happened to Riobard? I have been away and am now >> trying to get caught up. >> Thank You >> Jeanine >> _Jmorey4657@aol.com_ (mailto:Jmorey4657@aol.com) >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Please explain what has happened to Riobard? I have been away and am now trying to get caught up. Thank You Jeanine _Jmorey4657@aol.com_ (mailto:Jmorey4657@aol.com)

Riobard posted this short message on Saturday: "I would like to let you know that the next six months I will be unable to answer any of your emails or carry out research. Thanking you for your understanding, Riobard O' Dwyer." That's all that I've seen . . . Tom ********** Pat Moore wrote: >Yes, please, I too would appreciate an update. >Pat Moore, Seattle, WA, USA > > >JMorey4657@aol.com wrote: > >>Please explain what has happened to Riobard? I have been away and am now >>trying to get caught up. >>Thank You >>Jeanine >>_Jmorey4657@aol.com_ (mailto:Jmorey4657@aol.com) >> >> >> >> -- I GoodSearch & GoodShop for Mission City Opera. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch.com (powered by Yahoo), or shopping online with GoodShop.com at NO extra cost to you!