Actually, I happen to think that this question was quite a reasonable one. I have no idea why some people lost their tempers. Why do people not born in Ireland want to spply for an Irish passport? Personally, I have thought about doing it several times, but have not yet actually pursued it. Why am I thinking of it? Well, first of all, because I'm entitled to it. I'm the child of two Irish born individuals, mother from Eyeries, father from County Longford. So, I am automatically an Irish citizen, as others have pointed out. And, since I have visited and stayed in Ireland so frequently over the years since I was a child, I feel Irish, especially when I am there, amonhg the people that I know. Second, as a matter of convenience. Since Ireland entered the European Union in the 1970s it would make entry into other European countries and Ireland itself much easier. No more standing in line for Irish or French or Italian Immigration, just breeze on through the EU citizens lines at the airports. Third, for protection. In a world where it can be dangerous to be identified as an American, it could be a good idea to hold a passport from a small neutral country. I well remember the difference in welcome that I received in France on a visit with my mother (who never became an American citizen). When I presented my American passport I received indifference (but at least not hostility). When my mother presented her Irish passport, the mood changed dramatically to one of warm welcome. However, as I said at the start of this response, although I've thought of doing it, I haven't actually done it yet. I still might though, especially once I retire and will have more time for traveling again. As for my opinion about people coming to the US and applying for citizenship and an American passport? The more the merrier. After all, that's how America grows. That's what my father did, after all. Margaret Duffy NY, NY -----Original Message----- >From: "el. McC." <ancestryhelp123@hotmail.com> >Sent: Oct 30, 2009 3:13 PM >To: beara@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [BEARA] Citizenship > > >I'll finally make this my last words on the subject. >This has to be the best reply Ive had all day......... Thank you for taking the time to give my daughter your comments. >Much appreciated. >Slán. > >> From: Shamrockri1@aol.com >> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:09:09 -0400 >> To: beara@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [BEARA] Citizenship >> >> I think your granddaughters question is making many of us think hard about >> the reasons people >> want dual citizenship. >> >> My grandparents brought me up, when my mother died in childbirth and I was >> 1 1/2 years old. >> I listened to many tales of Ireland, that they had heard from their >> parents, grandparents, aunts >> and uncles. I heard about the Shea's visiting Knock right before coming >> to America, in 1881 >> and stories going back many more generations. >> >> My grandfather told me he had few regrets,but one was not having been able >> to visit Ireland, before he >> died.. What he gave up to bring my sister and I up, I have been able to >> do several times >> I would have liked the dual citizenship to honor my grandparents and for >> the connection they >> gave me to Ireland. >> >> I feel connected with the beauty of Ireland, the sense of humor and >> friendliness of the people. >> Yes, there is a definite feeling of Irishness, one carried by generations >> of my family. >> >> Would they have ever left if my great great grandfather hadn't died from >> lung disease in Allihies, >> leading his family of many daughters without the means to keep living in >> Ireland? Would they >> have come to Fall River without so many others from Kitcatherine and >> Allihies having made the >> same journey before to welcome them? Those answers I don't know and wish >> I had asked.. >> >> I do know that my great grandparents still spoke Gaelic to each other in >> America and that love >> for all things Irish is still passed down to my grandchildren, as well. >> >> Any convenience is attached to Irish citizenship or an Irish passport, >> haven't even entered >> into my desire for dual ctizenship. >> >> I also realize many may not understand my connectedness,and that's >> understandable, too. >> >> I understand "foreigners" coming to the USA, legally, to escape famine, >> wars, etc. or because they >> ended up having more of their family here, then in their original country. >> I would not have a problem >> with them gaining American citizenship. >> >> I'd also understand,if African Americans wanted dual citizenship or >> American Indian descendents whose >> family were transported to the Carribean many years ago. There were many >> historical occurances >> which left people connected to their ancestors countries. There journey >> to find their original connections >> with "home" are often much more difficult then ours to Ireland. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >_________________________________________________________________ >New Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. Find the right PC for you. >http://windows.microsoft.com/shop > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think your granddaughters question is making many of us think hard about the reasons people want dual citizenship. My grandparents brought me up, when my mother died in childbirth and I was 1 1/2 years old. I listened to many tales of Ireland, that they had heard from their parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles. I heard about the Shea's visiting Knock right before coming to America, in 1881 and stories going back many more generations. My grandfather told me he had few regrets,but one was not having been able to visit Ireland, before he died.. What he gave up to bring my sister and I up, I have been able to do several times I would have liked the dual citizenship to honor my grandparents and for the connection they gave me to Ireland. I feel connected with the beauty of Ireland, the sense of humor and friendliness of the people. Yes, there is a definite feeling of Irishness, one carried by generations of my family. Would they have ever left if my great great grandfather hadn't died from lung disease in Allihies, leading his family of many daughters without the means to keep living in Ireland? Would they have come to Fall River without so many others from Kitcatherine and Allihies having made the same journey before to welcome them? Those answers I don't know and wish I had asked.. I do know that my great grandparents still spoke Gaelic to each other in America and that love for all things Irish is still passed down to my grandchildren, as well. Any convenience is attached to Irish citizenship or an Irish passport, haven't even entered into my desire for dual ctizenship. I also realize many may not understand my connectedness,and that's understandable, too. I understand "foreigners" coming to the USA, legally, to escape famine, wars, etc. or because they ended up having more of their family here, then in their original country. I would not have a problem with them gaining American citizenship. I'd also understand,if African Americans wanted dual citizenship or American Indian descendents whose family were transported to the Carribean many years ago. There were many historical occurances which left people connected to their ancestors countries. There journey to find their original connections with "home" are often much more difficult then ours to Ireland.

Thanks Sally, Thats the type of answer I was looking for instead of the type bordering on abusive. I'll pass this e mail onto my daughter. Go raibh maith agat. Slán, Kevin. > From: sbair@tds.net > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:13:05 -0500 > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Citizenship > > For me, Irish citizenship (dual with my USA citizenship) is wanted > for the feeling of "Irishness" .... my ancestors are from there & I > still have cousins in Beara. > > As far as foreigners coming to USA, I have no problem. That is a > question between them & USA Immigration. Their reasons for wishing > USA citizenship are a lot different from my wanting Irish citizenship/ > passport. Few of them have ancestors dating back over 100+ years in > USA as have I in Ireland. There has not been a huge exodus from USA > of Americans to other countries as has been true for many immigrating > from Ireland to USA in the last century. Today's USA immigrants have > many the same reasons for wanting to come to USA as did our Irish > ancestors from Ireland. Our Statute of Liberty welcomes immigrants & > states this well: "Give me your poor..." > > Sally > > > Sally O'Sullivan Bair > Secretary General > International Federation of Sleddog Sports (IFSS) > 8554 Gateway Circle > Monticello, MN 55362 USA > Tel: +1 763 295 5465 > Fax: +1 763 295 3290 > Email: sbair@tds.net > > > > > On Oct 30, 2009, at 5:29 AM, el. McC. wrote: > > > > > Hi, It appears some of you got out of bed the wrong side yesterday > > morning. > > > > > > > > 1. I asked was it convenience or a real feeling........ I did not > > state it was convenience.....I wanted your opinion. > > > > > > > > 2. Yes I think it's a reasonable question on how you feel about > > other people coming to the States. > > > > > > > > 3. This question came about because my daughter is doing a project > > in school. Plain and simple. > > > > > > > > I'd hate to get into a friendly debate with some of you. > > > > > > > > I think some of you were reading things in my post that weren't > > there......this is your problem not mine. > > > > > > > > What should I do? Go and tell my daughter off for asking a straight > > forward question? > > > > > > > > I suggest you read my post below again. > > > > > > > > Slán, Kevin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiousity......why do you want Irish citizenship/ > > passports? > > > > Is it just convenience or a feeling for Irishness? > > > > Also, do you feel the same for "foreigners" applying for US > > citizenship? > > > > This is a question for all.......... something that my daughter > > asked about. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. > > http://windows.microsoft.com/shop > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA- > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. Find the right PC for you. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop

It will be nice when this site gets back to genealogy searches, and move this birth certificate, citizenship and passports data to some other site! ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Sullivan" <bsull1922@yahoo.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 12:51 PM Subject: [BEARA] Fw: Birth Certificate - 1878 Dear Beara friends, As I attempted to tell what I had leaned about Irish citizenship in my Oct 29 memo, I made a mistake. The second paragraph leads off," The second generation etc, etc.". That is the error. Any of you who read the rest of the paragraph, I am sure knew that should have said " The first generation'. It is the first generation which has automatic Irish citizenship for children of a parent born in Ireland. Sorry for the slip Bill Sullivan ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: William Sullivan <bsull1922@yahoo.com> To: beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 5:40:02 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 The special law which authorized Irish citizenship, passed in 1955, applied to children of people whose parents were born in Ireland. It was changed for clarification in 1959 because they found that the next, third generation was found to be included under certain interpretations of the original law. The revision made it clear that the law applies only to the second generation, those whose grandparents were born in Ireland. The second generation does not need this avenue. They are automatically Irish citizens if at least one of their parents was born in Ireland. When I sought such recognition for an aunt of mine, I asked the Chicago Consul to give me a simple letter for her. Of course I provided the name and birth date of her father who was born in Kildare. I provided him with a copy of the baptismal certificate which I had found in the chapel of the Curragh Camp in Kildare. He sent a nice letter, confirming that she was an Irish citizen. I gave it to her as a 90th birthay present. This is not the only way to become an Irish citizen. If someone immigrates to Ireland and lives there a required time, makes application and fulfils all requirements they can achieve citizenship the old fashioned way. It is over 50 years since I went thru the quickie process ( second generation), so its quite possible that I may out of date. You should contact the Irish Embassy or any Consulate office to learn up-to-date rules and get the documents you need to make application. Bill Sullivan ________________________________ From: Maggie Appleton <asyoulikeit@snet.net> To: beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 2:57:33 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 What is the second generation rule? ________________________________ From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> To: beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:14:34 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 How DO you submit a request for an Irish passport/Foreign Birth Registration? My husband is second generation and I would like to request one for him. Does anyone know if once he has one the 2 generation 'rule' begins again? Just wondering if his registration would later entitle our grandchildren to one as well. I guess I'm putting the horse before the cart as I have yet to get an official birth certificate or baptism for his grandfather as well. Did they issue birth certificates as of 1895? John and Bridget were born and buried on Bere Island. I have checked and see the closest Irish Embassy to me is in Houston, TX. Do I physically have to go there? I have done a bit of internet searching, but find nothing particular to USA residents, though I have emailed the London FBR office for assistance as well. Lisa O'Sullivan Texas -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Slattery Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:53 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 Kevin, I had no trouble four years ago submitting a Baptism certificate for my grandfather,(from Waterford City - 1850),as this was all that was available for that period; so hopefully, they would accept Church certification of the Baptism as a replacement for a missing Birth certificate. Geraldine Slattery, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kevin MacKinnon Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 1:17 AM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 I have tried twice now to get a birth certificate for my g-grandmother Catharine O'Sullivan (born in Adrigole 1978) without success. They told me that its likely that the birth was never registered. If that is the case, is an Irish passport for my father out of the question?? I know (thru Riobard) that her baptismal records are available. 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Ah, tis the Irish; no enemy to fight then fight among ourselves! over nothing! Peace and love to all, Warren Gardner MacDonald (Gardner for Irish and MacDonald for Scot). Slante . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "el. McC." <ancestryhelp123@hotmail.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Citizenship Thanks Sally, Thats the type of answer I was looking for instead of the type bordering on abusive. I'll pass this e mail onto my daughter. Go raibh maith agat. Slán, Kevin. > From: sbair@tds.net > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:13:05 -0500 > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Citizenship > > For me, Irish citizenship (dual with my USA citizenship) is wanted > for the feeling of "Irishness" .... my ancestors are from there & I > still have cousins in Beara. > > As far as foreigners coming to USA, I have no problem. That is a > question between them & USA Immigration. Their reasons for wishing > USA citizenship are a lot different from my wanting Irish citizenship/ > passport. Few of them have ancestors dating back over 100+ years in > USA as have I in Ireland. There has not been a huge exodus from USA > of Americans to other countries as has been true for many immigrating > from Ireland to USA in the last century. Today's USA immigrants have > many the same reasons for wanting to come to USA as did our Irish > ancestors from Ireland. Our Statute of Liberty welcomes immigrants & > states this well: "Give me your poor..." > > Sally > > > Sally O'Sullivan Bair > Secretary General > International Federation of Sleddog Sports (IFSS) > 8554 Gateway Circle > Monticello, MN 55362 USA > Tel: +1 763 295 5465 > Fax: +1 763 295 3290 > Email: sbair@tds.net > > > > > On Oct 30, 2009, at 5:29 AM, el. McC. wrote: > > > > > Hi, It appears some of you got out of bed the wrong side yesterday > > morning. > > > > > > > > 1. I asked was it convenience or a real feeling........ I did not > > state it was convenience.....I wanted your opinion. > > > > > > > > 2. Yes I think it's a reasonable question on how you feel about > > other people coming to the States. > > > > > > > > 3. This question came about because my daughter is doing a project > > in school. Plain and simple. > > > > > > > > I'd hate to get into a friendly debate with some of you. > > > > > > > > I think some of you were reading things in my post that weren't > > there......this is your problem not mine. > > > > > > > > What should I do? Go and tell my daughter off for asking a straight > > forward question? > > > > > > > > I suggest you read my post below again. > > > > > > > > Slán, Kevin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiousity......why do you want Irish citizenship/ > > passports? > > > > Is it just convenience or a feeling for Irishness? > > > > Also, do you feel the same for "foreigners" applying for US > > citizenship? > > > > This is a question for all.......... something that my daughter > > asked about. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. > > http://windows.microsoft.com/shop > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA- > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. Find the right PC for you. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

McC, My Irish ties go back before 1850, my husband's family however would not even have come to the U.S.. Even his oldest aunt and uncle were born on Bere Island, as I believe his dad would have been. Lucky for me they did come to the U.S. and had the ability to. We have no intention of leaving the U.S. and are proud to be American citizens, my son is USAF as his grandfather before him. At the same time we are haunted by the inscription on grandfather's gravestone and his obit. It reads: "WITH THIS CELTIC CROSS RAISED O'ER ME AND THE SHAMROCK ROUND IT TWINE, WILL TELL OF THE LAND THAT BORE ME AND THE ANCIENT FAITH THAT'S MINE." His obit in part says he "refused to sign an order swearing his allegiance to the British Empire" and "It is the intention of his former comrades of the IRA [earlier noted as the Irish Rifle Association, at Monroe, though he did fight for the IRA in the 1916 Easter Rebellion at the Four Courts in Dublin] at a later date to ship his body back to his Motherland, the land he suffered so much to try to make it a better place for Irishmen to live in." We've even talked to the family about having him 'moved' back to the island. So, I guess in our instance sentimentality plays a huge part, but it's mostly a sign of respect. My father-in-law, a retired colonel of the USAF never had an interest, for that matter I don't believe he ever visited Ireland. Like many other posters have said, I can't even remember any discussions about it, though I do wish I had taken the time to ask before it was too late. (So GOOD to know your daughter is asking!) Tell your daughter that my family's personal intention has just been exploring ways of 'preserving' the marks our families have left, if that makes sense. And, I might add, her questions have made me think more about this, so thank her. My first instinct was more because we can, and that in itself is a beautiful thing. As Gary pointed out, the ability to become an Irish citizen itself is out of respect of the Republic for heirs such as my husband. I've been looking into DAR as my paternal grandmother's family have been here since before and fought in the Revolutionary War. Heck I have found I even had family on both sides of the Civil War. That has been cause for much thought, and that too is a good thing. Getting into your 'roots' can be profound; I'm just sorry I waited until I was the 'senior' member of the family! As to foreigners applying for U.S. citizenship, well, many of our families did just that, so not sure what your daughter is questioning there and how it relates. Well enough of my diatribe :), Lisa O' -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of el. McC. Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:29 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 Just out of curiousity......why do you want Irish citizenship/ passports? Is it just convenience or a feeling for Irishness? Also, do you feel the same for "foreigners" applying for US citizenship? This is a question for all.......... something that my daughter asked about. Slán. > Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:16:07 -0700 > From: asyoulikeit@snet.net > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > Thank you Lisa, I did not know that. > > --- On Thu, 10/29/09, Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: > > > From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 5:11 PM > > > I was referring to the second generation foreign born's ability to get Irish > citizenship. I was wondering if once my husband has citizenship, his > children and grandchildren would also be eligible. > > Another poster advised me no, it was only available to 1st & 2nd generation > foreign born children. > > Lisa > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Maggie Appleton > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:58 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > What is the second generation rule? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:14:34 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > How DO you submit a request for an Irish passport/Foreign Birth > Registration? My husband is second generation and I would like to request > one for him. Does anyone know if once he has one the 2 generation 'rule' > begins again? Just wondering if his registration would later entitle our > grandchildren to one as well. > > I guess I'm putting the horse before the cart as I have yet to get an > official birth certificate or baptism for his grandfather as well. Did they > issue birth certificates as of 1895? John and Bridget were born and buried > on Bere Island. > > I have checked and see the closest Irish Embassy to me is in Houston, TX. > Do I physically have to go there? I have done a bit of internet searching, > but find nothing particular to USA residents, though I have emailed the > London FBR office for assistance as well. > > Lisa O'Sullivan > Texas > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of John Slattery > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:53 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > Kevin, > > I had no trouble four years ago submitting a Baptism certificate for my > grandfather,(from Waterford City - 1850),as this was all that was available > for that period; so hopefully, they would accept Church certification of the > Baptism as a replacement for a missing Birth certificate. > > Geraldine Slattery, > Australia. > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Kevin MacKinnon > Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 1:17 AM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > > I have tried twice now to get a birth certificate for my g-grandmother > Catharine O'Sullivan (born in Adrigole 1978) without success. 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i see you mentioned sullivans and o'leary in your family my grandfather was james sullivan and he married mary a. murray. james's father was jermiah sullivan mother helena sullivan. mary's father was tiothy murray and mother ellen leary.james came to boston in 1898 at age 26,mary arrived in boston in1900 at age 21. --- On Mon, 5/4/09, jkissinger@bellsouth.net <jkissinger@bellsouth.net> wrote: From: jkissinger@bellsouth.net <jkissinger@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Sullivans Birth & Baptism Certificate Glengarriff To: beara@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 3:40 PM Hi Don, Thank you for the heads up. Best Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: <DBJOLEARY@aol.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Sullivans Birth & Baptism Certificate Glengarriff > Jack, > >  Try Rev. Gerald Walsh P.P. The Presbytary, Sacred Heart  Church, > Glengarriffe, Co. Cork. I think they still hold the Bonane Parish > records. Riobard > O'Dwyer may be able to help you too.  He has his own website at > _beararesearchodwyer@eircom.net_ (mailto:beararesearchodwyer@eircom.net) > > FYI it's the Parish of Bonane, not Bonare. I've been there a  couple of > times looking up my Sullivans and O'Learys. There are so many  Sullivans > and > you have to know what name they used to differentiate from each  other, > ie; > Sullivan the Shoemaker, which I found in Tousist/Bonane Parish, who  was > actually the g.grf. of my mom's sister-in-law Mary Sullivan, who married > into my > mom's German side of the family. > > Good luck. > > Don > In a message dated 5/2/2009 11:18:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > reney@san.rr.com writes: > > Re:  Jack Kissinger's email of  12.16.08 > > > > Jack,   Would there be a Florence (male)  Sullivan in your Sullivan line? > I > have very little info:  wife,  Mary ?, daughter, Mary (who emigrated to > USA > circa 1862).  Thanks,  Lurene > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:  <jkissinger@bellsouth.net> > To: <BEARA@rootsweb.com> > Sent:  Tuesday, December 16, 2008 4:11 PM > Subject: [BEARA] Sullivans Birth &  Baptism Certificate Glengarriff > > >>I have Birth and Baptismal  Certificates for my Grandfather and > Grandmother. >>They are Michael  Joseph Sullivan b. 01 Nov 1892 and Margaret >> (Maud) Sullivan be. 18 Oct  1894, Glengarriff, Cork. Both baptized in the >> Diocese of Kerry,  Parish of Bonare and Glengarriff. I would like >> information as   to "Who" and "Where" to write for additional >> Birth/Baptismal  certificates for my Grandfather's sisters and brothers. >> Several of  which traveled to Colorado. Its almost impossible to find >> Sullivans  in the old West. Their name being so rare!  ;<))) >> >>  ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please  send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word  'unsubscribe' without the > quotes >> in the subject and the body of the  message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the  list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word  'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and > the body of the  message > > > **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the > web. Get the Radio Toolbar! > (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Beara friends, As I attempted to tell what I had leaned about Irish citizenship in my Oct 29 memo, I made a mistake. The second paragraph leads off," The second generation etc, etc.". That is the error. Any of you who read the rest of the paragraph, I am sure knew that should have said " The first generation'.  It is the first generation which has automatic Irish citizenship for children of a parent born in Ireland. Sorry for the slip Bill Sullivan ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: William Sullivan <bsull1922@yahoo.com> To: beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 5:40:02 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 The special law which authorized Irish citizenship, passed in 1955, applied to children of people whose parents were born in Ireland. It was changed for clarification in 1959 because they found that the next, third generation was found to be included under certain interpretations of the original law. The revision made it clear that the law applies only to the second generation, those whose grandparents were born in Ireland. The second generation does not need this avenue. They are automatically Irish citizens if at least one of their parents was born in Ireland. When I sought such recognition for an aunt of mine, I asked the Chicago Consul to give me a simple letter for her. Of course I provided the name and  birth date of her father who was born in Kildare. I provided him with a copy of the baptismal certificate which I had found in the chapel of the Curragh Camp in Kildare. He sent a nice letter, confirming that she was an Irish citizen. I gave it to her as a 90th birthay present.   This is not the only way to become an Irish citizen. If someone immigrates to Ireland and lives there a required time, makes application and fulfils all requirements they can achieve citizenship the old fashioned way.  It is over 50 years since I went thru the quickie process ( second generation), so its quite possible that I may out of date. You should contact the Irish Embassy or any Consulate office to learn up-to-date rules and get the documents you need to make application. Bill Sullivan ________________________________ From: Maggie Appleton <asyoulikeit@snet.net> To: beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 2:57:33 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 What is the second generation rule? ________________________________ From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> To: beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:14:34 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 How DO you submit a request for an Irish passport/Foreign Birth Registration?  My husband is second generation and I would like to request one for him.  Does anyone know if once he has one the 2 generation 'rule' begins again?  Just wondering if his registration  would later entitle our grandchildren to one as well. I guess I'm putting the horse before the cart as I have yet to get an official birth certificate or baptism for his grandfather as well.  Did they issue birth certificates as of 1895?  John and Bridget were born and buried on Bere Island. I have checked and see the closest Irish Embassy to me is in Houston, TX. Do I physically have to go there?  I have done a bit of internet searching, but find nothing particular to USA residents, though I have emailed the London FBR office for assistance as well. Lisa O'Sullivan Texas -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Slattery Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:53 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 Kevin, I had no trouble four years ago submitting a Baptism certificate for my grandfather,(from Waterford City - 1850),as this was all that was available for that period; so hopefully, they would accept Church certification of the Baptism as a replacement for a missing Birth certificate. Geraldine Slattery, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kevin MacKinnon Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 1:17 AM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 I have tried twice now to get a birth certificate for my g-grandmother Catharine O'Sullivan (born in Adrigole 1978) without success.  They told me that its likely that the birth was never registered.  If that is the case, is an Irish passport for my father out of the question??  I know (thru Riobard) that her baptismal records are available. 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Hi, It appears some of you got out of bed the wrong side yesterday morning. 1. I asked was it convenience or a real feeling........ I did not state it was convenience.....I wanted your opinion. 2. Yes I think it's a reasonable question on how you feel about other people coming to the States. 3. This question came about because my daughter is doing a project in school. Plain and simple. I'd hate to get into a friendly debate with some of you. I think some of you were reading things in my post that weren't there......this is your problem not mine. What should I do? Go and tell my daughter off for asking a straight forward question? I suggest you read my post below again. Slán, Kevin. Just out of curiousity......why do you want Irish citizenship/ passports? Is it just convenience or a feeling for Irishness? Also, do you feel the same for "foreigners" applying for US citizenship? This is a question for all.......... something that my daughter asked about. _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop

For me, Irish citizenship (dual with my USA citizenship) is wanted for the feeling of "Irishness" .... my ancestors are from there & I still have cousins in Beara. As far as foreigners coming to USA, I have no problem. That is a question between them & USA Immigration. Their reasons for wishing USA citizenship are a lot different from my wanting Irish citizenship/ passport. Few of them have ancestors dating back over 100+ years in USA as have I in Ireland. There has not been a huge exodus from USA of Americans to other countries as has been true for many immigrating from Ireland to USA in the last century. Today's USA immigrants have many the same reasons for wanting to come to USA as did our Irish ancestors from Ireland. Our Statute of Liberty welcomes immigrants & states this well: "Give me your poor..." Sally Sally O'Sullivan Bair Secretary General International Federation of Sleddog Sports (IFSS) 8554 Gateway Circle Monticello, MN 55362 USA Tel: +1 763 295 5465 Fax: +1 763 295 3290 Email: sbair@tds.net On Oct 30, 2009, at 5:29 AM, el. McC. wrote: > > Hi, It appears some of you got out of bed the wrong side yesterday > morning. > > > > 1. I asked was it convenience or a real feeling........ I did not > state it was convenience.....I wanted your opinion. > > > > 2. Yes I think it's a reasonable question on how you feel about > other people coming to the States. > > > > 3. This question came about because my daughter is doing a project > in school. Plain and simple. > > > > I'd hate to get into a friendly debate with some of you. > > > > I think some of you were reading things in my post that weren't > there......this is your problem not mine. > > > > What should I do? Go and tell my daughter off for asking a straight > forward question? > > > > I suggest you read my post below again. > > > > Slán, Kevin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiousity......why do you want Irish citizenship/ > passports? > > Is it just convenience or a feeling for Irishness? > > Also, do you feel the same for "foreigners" applying for US > citizenship? > > This is a question for all.......... something that my daughter > asked about. > > _________________________________________________________________ > New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. > http://windows.microsoft.com/shop > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Well said. Thanks. Barbara

Just out of curiousity......why do you want Irish citizenship/ passports? Is it just convenience or a feeling for Irishness? Also, do you feel the same for "foreigners" applying for US citizenship? This is a question for all.......... something that my daughter asked about. Slán. > Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:16:07 -0700 > From: asyoulikeit@snet.net > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > Thank you Lisa, I did not know that. > > --- On Thu, 10/29/09, Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: > > > From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 5:11 PM > > > I was referring to the second generation foreign born's ability to get Irish > citizenship. I was wondering if once my husband has citizenship, his > children and grandchildren would also be eligible. > > Another poster advised me no, it was only available to 1st & 2nd generation > foreign born children. > > Lisa > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Maggie Appleton > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:58 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > What is the second generation rule? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:14:34 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > How DO you submit a request for an Irish passport/Foreign Birth > Registration? My husband is second generation and I would like to request > one for him. Does anyone know if once he has one the 2 generation 'rule' > begins again? Just wondering if his registration would later entitle our > grandchildren to one as well. > > I guess I'm putting the horse before the cart as I have yet to get an > official birth certificate or baptism for his grandfather as well. Did they > issue birth certificates as of 1895? John and Bridget were born and buried > on Bere Island. > > I have checked and see the closest Irish Embassy to me is in Houston, TX. > Do I physically have to go there? I have done a bit of internet searching, > but find nothing particular to USA residents, though I have emailed the > London FBR office for assistance as well. > > Lisa O'Sullivan > Texas > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of John Slattery > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:53 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > Kevin, > > I had no trouble four years ago submitting a Baptism certificate for my > grandfather,(from Waterford City - 1850),as this was all that was available > for that period; so hopefully, they would accept Church certification of the > Baptism as a replacement for a missing Birth certificate. > > Geraldine Slattery, > Australia. > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Kevin MacKinnon > Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 1:17 AM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > > I have tried twice now to get a birth certificate for my g-grandmother > Catharine O'Sullivan (born in Adrigole 1978) without success. They told me > that its likely that the birth was never registered. If that is the case, > is an Irish passport for my father out of the question?? I know (thru > Riobard) that her baptismal records are available. > Thanks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop

Dear friends of Beara, I've read a couple of messages just now that suggest some legendary Irish tempers are flaring up. Since they're in response to a message where a question was posed in neutral terms, I think it might be worth a second look at the original question before we tar and feather the questioner. Some people honestly don't know all the details of what happened back around 80 years ago. Bill Gawne Beara list moderator

My apologies to our moderator -- our messages were out of synch. Bill Mulligan William H. Mulligan, Jr., Ph.D. Professor of History Graduate Program Coordinator Murray State University Murray KY 42071-3341 USA Office: 1-270-809-6571 Fax: 1-270-809-6587 -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gawne Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:13 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: [BEARA] Let's please not assume insult where there's none intended Dear friends of Beara, I've read a couple of messages just now that suggest some legendary Irish tempers are flaring up. Since they're in response to a message where a question was posed in neutral terms, I think it might be worth a second look at the original question before we tar and feather the questioner. Some people honestly don't know all the details of what happened back around 80 years ago. Bill Gawne Beara list moderator ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To say that asking why someone who was not born in a country, has not lived in that country, and does intend to live in that country in the future wants to be accepted as citizen with full political rights is insulting is simply ridiculous and unfair. It certainly does not promote reasoned discussion. The moderator should have intervened and said something to stop such negative and mindless comments. I am offended enough by the questioning to offer a lengthy response. I expect better from the moderators of Beara-L. It is a very legitimate question. Individual emotional needs are not a basis for sound government policy. Irishness is not easy to define; I have a recent book chapter on the subject. Before I am accused of anything negative about my Irishness--seven of my eight grandparents were born in Ireland and the eighth line goes back to County Armagh in 1681. I am very proud to be Irish American, but I am not Irish--the time I have spent in Ireland, and it is substantial, has made me very aware of being Irish-American, not Irish. I have spent many years researching, writing, about, and teaching about the Irish Diaspora--much of the writing has been shared with this list--this is too complex for anyone to be insulted about anyone else's views or questions and to dismiss them in that way--shame on you for being insulted and raising that issue. I am sure Riobard, while he might disagree with the details, will vouch for my bona fides here. The question gets to the core of Irish identity within the Diaspora. It is a very legitimate question that should not be dismissed in such an insulting way--and the dismissals are much more insulting than the question. Some of us spend years, or careers, wrestling with it. My parents are both eligible for Irish citizenship, for example. They have absolutely no interest. But, you would be very hard pressed to find anyone more proud of being Irish American than him or her. My dad was career NYPD, as was his father and eldest brother as well as several cousins. He lived the prime years of his life in an Irish American world. He, especially, is Irish American in a very basic way I have inherited. Irish citizenship for those of us in the Diaspora is not a right. When I returned as a Fulbright Fellow in January 2009 I had to register as an alien--despite my seven great grandparents. There was no glad you are back celebration. The guards and I had a laugh about it -- but I was an alien, an American, who had to register. A moment of truth. I am not really Irish, I am Irish American. There is a huge difference. People left Ireland for complex reasons with varying degrees of free will over many years but they left and made new lives. That is what the Diaspora is about. Bill Mulligan William H. Mulligan, Jr., Ph.D. Professor of History Graduate Program Coordinator Murray State University Murray KY 42071-3341 USA Office: 1-270-809-6571 Fax: 1-270-809-6587 -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of james sullivan Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:21 PM To: beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 i also find the question ? insulting . a brief history,my mother was from kerry,my wife is from galway my father was born in natick,mass but was brought up in cork.he was a member of barry's detachment.he was under a death sentence but because he was an american citizen the left him alone.when collins was killed he left. in his prosses of geting as ticket he was told that he had to have a british passport.he contacted the american counselet and after he looked into it he asked my father if he had his birth certificate,he did, and was told to get the british passport and throw it over the side when they cleared the harbor,and present his birth certificate when he got here.the persuction of ira members during the "troubles" was rampard.even the priests were turned aginst them.my unkles on my mother's side fled except for one.uy unkles and aunts sent him money to come out.when he and a friend asked the priest to vouch for them he refused.the friend's sister worked for the local minister and he got a recomedation from him.my unkle stayed,bitter at the church and bought fields with the money.so you tell this pompous jackass he does not have the brains god gave a weasle or the class god gave the pig.    jim sullivan --- On Thu, 10/29/09, julie <sullivan11@frontiernet.net> wrote: From: julie <sullivan11@frontiernet.net> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 To: beara@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 5:38 PM To satisfy your curiosity, many men and women who made great personal sacrifices to eventually achieve an Irish Republic were forced to leave their homeland before their dream was realized. Indeed, many of them were forced to leave because they did more for Irish independence than their friends and relatives who remained behind. Out of respect for this great diaspora, the Republic properly extended citizenship to their immediate descendants. We are not "foreigners" applying for Irish citizenship, we are Irish citizens who were born in foriegn lands. Your question about "convenience" or "feeling of Irishness" is insulting. Gary B. Sullivan ----- Original Message ----- From: "el. McC." <ancestryhelp123@hotmail.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 Just out of curiousity......why do you want Irish citizenship/ passports? Is it just convenience or a feeling for Irishness? Also, do you feel the same for "foreigners" applying for US citizenship? This is a question for all.......... something that my daughter asked about. Slán. > Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:16:07 -0700 > From: asyoulikeit@snet.net > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > Thank you Lisa, I did not know that. > > --- On Thu, 10/29/09, Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: > > > From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 5:11 PM > > > I was referring to the second generation foreign born's ability to get > Irish > citizenship.  I was wondering if once my husband has citizenship, his > children and grandchildren would also be eligible. > > Another poster advised me no, it was only available to 1st & 2nd > generation > foreign born children. > > Lisa > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Maggie Appleton > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:58 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > What is the second generation rule? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:14:34 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > How DO you submit a request for an Irish passport/Foreign Birth > Registration?  My husband is second generation and I would like to request > one for him.  Does anyone know if once he has one the 2 generation 'rule' > begins again?  Just wondering if his registration  would later entitle our > grandchildren to one as well. > > I guess I'm putting the horse before the cart as I have yet to get an > official birth certificate or baptism for his grandfather as well.  Did > they > issue birth certificates as of 1895?  John and Bridget were born and > buried > on Bere Island. > > I have checked and see the closest Irish Embassy to me is in Houston, TX. > Do I physically have to go there?  I have done a bit of internet > searching, > but find nothing particular to USA residents, though I have emailed the > London FBR office for assistance as well. > > Lisa O'Sullivan > Texas > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of John Slattery > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:53 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > Kevin, > > I had no trouble four years ago submitting a Baptism certificate for my > grandfather,(from Waterford City - 1850),as this was all that was > available > for that period; so hopefully, they would accept Church certification of > the > Baptism as a replacement for a missing Birth certificate. > > Geraldine Slattery, > Australia. > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Kevin MacKinnon > Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 1:17 AM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > > I have tried twice now to get a birth certificate for my g-grandmother > Catharine O'Sullivan (born in Adrigole 1978) without success.  They told > me > that its likely that the birth was never registered.  If that is the case, > is an Irish passport for my father out of the question??  I know (thru > Riobard) that her baptismal records are available. > Thanks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. 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To satisfy your curiosity, many men and women who made great personal sacrifices to eventually achieve an Irish Republic were forced to leave their homeland before their dream was realized. Indeed, many of them were forced to leave because they did more for Irish independence than their friends and relatives who remained behind. Out of respect for this great diaspora, the Republic properly extended citizenship to their immediate descendants. We are not "foreigners" applying for Irish citizenship, we are Irish citizens who were born in foriegn lands. Your question about "convenience" or "feeling of Irishness" is insulting. Gary B. Sullivan ----- Original Message ----- From: "el. McC." <ancestryhelp123@hotmail.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 Just out of curiousity......why do you want Irish citizenship/ passports? Is it just convenience or a feeling for Irishness? Also, do you feel the same for "foreigners" applying for US citizenship? This is a question for all.......... something that my daughter asked about. Slán. > Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:16:07 -0700 > From: asyoulikeit@snet.net > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > Thank you Lisa, I did not know that. > > --- On Thu, 10/29/09, Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: > > > From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 5:11 PM > > > I was referring to the second generation foreign born's ability to get > Irish > citizenship. I was wondering if once my husband has citizenship, his > children and grandchildren would also be eligible. > > Another poster advised me no, it was only available to 1st & 2nd > generation > foreign born children. > > Lisa > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Maggie Appleton > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:58 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > What is the second generation rule? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:14:34 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > How DO you submit a request for an Irish passport/Foreign Birth > Registration? My husband is second generation and I would like to request > one for him. Does anyone know if once he has one the 2 generation 'rule' > begins again? Just wondering if his registration would later entitle our > grandchildren to one as well. > > I guess I'm putting the horse before the cart as I have yet to get an > official birth certificate or baptism for his grandfather as well. Did > they > issue birth certificates as of 1895? John and Bridget were born and > buried > on Bere Island. > > I have checked and see the closest Irish Embassy to me is in Houston, TX. > Do I physically have to go there? I have done a bit of internet > searching, > but find nothing particular to USA residents, though I have emailed the > London FBR office for assistance as well. > > Lisa O'Sullivan > Texas > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of John Slattery > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:53 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > Kevin, > > I had no trouble four years ago submitting a Baptism certificate for my > grandfather,(from Waterford City - 1850),as this was all that was > available > for that period; so hopefully, they would accept Church certification of > the > Baptism as a replacement for a missing Birth certificate. > > Geraldine Slattery, > Australia. > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Kevin MacKinnon > Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 1:17 AM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > > I have tried twice now to get a birth certificate for my g-grandmother > Catharine O'Sullivan (born in Adrigole 1978) without success. They told > me > that its likely that the birth was never registered. If that is the case, > is an Irish passport for my father out of the question?? 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i also find the question ? insulting . a brief history,my mother was from kerry,my wife is from galway my father was born in natick,mass but was brought up in cork.he was a member of barry's detachment.he was under a death sentence but because he was an american citizen the left him alone.when collins was killed he left. in his prosses of geting as ticket he was told that he had to have a british passport.he contacted the american counselet and after he looked into it he asked my father if he had his birth certificate,he did, and was told to get the british passport and throw it over the side when they cleared the harbor,and present his birth certificate when he got here.the persuction of ira members during the "troubles" was rampard.even the priests were turned aginst them.my unkles on my mother's side fled except for one.uy unkles and aunts sent him money to come out.when he and a friend asked the priest to vouch for them he refused.the friend's sister worked for the local minister and he got a recomedation from him.my unkle stayed,bitter at the church and bought fields with the money.so you tell this pompous jackass he does not have the brains god gave a weasle or the class god gave the pig.    jim sullivan --- On Thu, 10/29/09, julie <sullivan11@frontiernet.net> wrote: From: julie <sullivan11@frontiernet.net> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 To: beara@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 5:38 PM To satisfy your curiosity, many men and women who made great personal sacrifices to eventually achieve an Irish Republic were forced to leave their homeland before their dream was realized. Indeed, many of them were forced to leave because they did more for Irish independence than their friends and relatives who remained behind. Out of respect for this great diaspora, the Republic properly extended citizenship to their immediate descendants. We are not "foreigners" applying for Irish citizenship, we are Irish citizens who were born in foriegn lands. Your question about "convenience" or "feeling of Irishness" is insulting. Gary B. Sullivan ----- Original Message ----- From: "el. McC." <ancestryhelp123@hotmail.com> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 Just out of curiousity......why do you want Irish citizenship/ passports? Is it just convenience or a feeling for Irishness? Also, do you feel the same for "foreigners" applying for US citizenship? This is a question for all.......... something that my daughter asked about. Slán. > Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:16:07 -0700 > From: asyoulikeit@snet.net > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > Thank you Lisa, I did not know that. > > --- On Thu, 10/29/09, Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: > > > From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 5:11 PM > > > I was referring to the second generation foreign born's ability to get > Irish > citizenship.  I was wondering if once my husband has citizenship, his > children and grandchildren would also be eligible. > > Another poster advised me no, it was only available to 1st & 2nd > generation > foreign born children. > > Lisa > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Maggie Appleton > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:58 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > What is the second generation rule? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:14:34 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > How DO you submit a request for an Irish passport/Foreign Birth > Registration?  My husband is second generation and I would like to request > one for him.  Does anyone know if once he has one the 2 generation 'rule' > begins again?  Just wondering if his registration  would later entitle our > grandchildren to one as well. > > I guess I'm putting the horse before the cart as I have yet to get an > official birth certificate or baptism for his grandfather as well.  Did > they > issue birth certificates as of 1895?  John and Bridget were born and > buried > on Bere Island. > > I have checked and see the closest Irish Embassy to me is in Houston, TX. > Do I physically have to go there?  I have done a bit of internet > searching, > but find nothing particular to USA residents, though I have emailed the > London FBR office for assistance as well. > > Lisa O'Sullivan > Texas > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of John Slattery > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:53 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > Kevin, > > I had no trouble four years ago submitting a Baptism certificate for my > grandfather,(from Waterford City - 1850),as this was all that was > available > for that period; so hopefully, they would accept Church certification of > the > Baptism as a replacement for a missing Birth certificate. > > Geraldine Slattery, > Australia. > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Kevin MacKinnon > Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 1:17 AM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > > I have tried twice now to get a birth certificate for my g-grandmother > Catharine O'Sullivan (born in Adrigole 1978) without success.  They told > me > that its likely that the birth was never registered.  If that is the case, > is an Irish passport for my father out of the question??  I know (thru > Riobard) that her baptismal records are available. > Thanks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. 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Slan, I'm sure that most people do so because of the sentiment. That's true in my case. Bill Sullivan ________________________________ From: el. McC. <ancestryhelp123@hotmail.com> To: beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 7:28:45 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 Just out of curiousity......why do you want Irish citizenship/ passports? Is it just convenience or a feeling for Irishness? Also, do you feel the same for "foreigners" applying for US citizenship? This is a question for all.......... something that my daughter asked about. Slán. > Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:16:07 -0700 > From: asyoulikeit@snet.net > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > Thank you Lisa, I did not know that. > > --- On Thu, 10/29/09, Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> wrote: > > > From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 5:11 PM > > > I was referring to the second generation foreign born's ability to get Irish > citizenship.  I was wondering if once my husband has citizenship, his > children and grandchildren would also be eligible. > > Another poster advised me no, it was only available to 1st & 2nd generation > foreign born children. > > Lisa > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Maggie Appleton > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:58 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > What is the second generation rule? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Lisa O <ohlisao@att.net> > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:14:34 PM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > How DO you submit a request for an Irish passport/Foreign Birth > Registration?  My husband is second generation and I would like to request > one for him.  Does anyone know if once he has one the 2 generation 'rule' > begins again?  Just wondering if his registration  would later entitle our > grandchildren to one as well. > > I guess I'm putting the horse before the cart as I have yet to get an > official birth certificate or baptism for his grandfather as well.  Did they > issue birth certificates as of 1895?  John and Bridget were born and buried > on Bere Island. > > I have checked and see the closest Irish Embassy to me is in Houston, TX. > Do I physically have to go there?  I have done a bit of internet searching, > but find nothing particular to USA residents, though I have emailed the > London FBR office for assistance as well. > > Lisa O'Sullivan > Texas > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of John Slattery > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:53 PM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > Kevin, > > I had no trouble four years ago submitting a Baptism certificate for my > grandfather,(from Waterford City - 1850),as this was all that was available > for that period; so hopefully, they would accept Church certification of the > Baptism as a replacement for a missing Birth certificate. > > Geraldine Slattery, > Australia. > > -----Original Message----- > From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Kevin MacKinnon > Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 1:17 AM > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BEARA] Birth Certificate - 1878 > > > I have tried twice now to get a birth certificate for my g-grandmother > Catharine O'Sullivan (born in Adrigole 1978) without success.  They told me > that its likely that the birth was never registered.  If that is the case, > is an Irish passport for my father out of the question??  I know (thru > Riobard) that her baptismal records are available. > Thanks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message                         _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. 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----- Original Message ----- From: <kerstentm@snowcrest.net> To: <Beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:40 PM Subject: [BEARA] More Sullivan and Murphy research > To all, > I've an odd question. I've been so busy tracking the burial places of > my ancestors here, that I've never thought about where people in > Eyeries could be buried. Is Kilcatherine Cemetery the only possibility? > I've also been searching for the parents of Michael Murphy from Butte > Montana who married Mary Murphy in Butte. Mary was daughter of > Patrick Murphy who was wed to Maggie Sullivan. The parents are Jeremiah > Murphy and Nora Sullivan of Glengariff. We have Riobard's Eyeries book, > but don't know if Glengariff is included or is in another of his books. > I'm > just amazed that we miraculously have found any leads. Theresa > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. > http://www.snowcrest.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

----- Original Message ----- From: <kerstentm@snowcrest.net> To: <Beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:40 PM Subject: [BEARA] More Sullivan and Murphy research > To all, > I've an odd question. I've been so busy tracking the burial places of > my ancestors here, that I've never thought about where people in > Eyeries could be buried. Is Kilcatherine Cemetery the only possibility? > I've also been searching for the parents of Michael Murphy from Butte > Montana who married Mary Murphy in Butte. Mary was daughter of > Patrick Murphy who was wed to Maggie Sullivan. The parents are Jeremiah > Murphy and Nora Sullivan of Glengariff. We have Riobard's Eyeries book, > but don't know if Glengariff is included or is in another of his books. > I'm > just amazed that we miraculously have found any leads. Theresa > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. > http://www.snowcrest.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >