I would love to buy the book I will put my check in the mail today here in USA $50.&$8.00. Carole Quan, California --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Riobard O'Dwyer <beararesearchodwyer@eircom.net> wrote: From: Riobard O'Dwyer <beararesearchodwyer@eircom.net> Subject: [BEARA] "WHO WERE MY ANCESTORS ? CASTLETOWNBERE PARISH" To: beara@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 8:09 AM I was looking in vain for any news from Beara @rootsweb recently, but none. God be with the good old days when it was full of queries or comments of one sort or other. Anyhow I would like to let you know that, in cleaning out the garage, I found 9 copies of "Who were my Ancestors ? Castletownbere Parish" in a box. As some of you will know, it is a big book and is available at $50 plus $8 postage by Bank cheque (not Credit Union cheque, which will not be cashed by a Bank here). They will be sold at first come, first served. You would have to put your name and address in print, with your full address. Hope you all are in the best of form. Riobard. My address is Riobard O'Dwyer, Eyeries, Beara, Co. Cork. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Beara Group Members, Can anyone recommend a professional genealogist I might contact for family research in County Cork? Mr. O'Dwyer graciously searched the records on Beara Island for any note of the birth of my ancestor, James Thomas Brady, on May 5, 1840 or 1839, to Mary Sullivan and James Brady. None was to be found. James T. came to Charleston, NC with Mary and her brother (no name) in ??? & enlisted in the Confederate Marines where he fought on the Merrimac, the ironclad ship, before he was captured and jailed in Castle Thunder (1862-1866-1868). He survived the Civil War and came to Texas in 1870 when he could not find his mother or any family back in Charleston, NC. He died on November 20, 1908 and is buried in Thorton Cemetery. His grave stone says "I'm on my ship and sailing home." (He wrote that he was "from Beara Island.") Thank you for any advice you can provide on my continued search for family and history on or near Beara Island.

I am looking for information about Peter Riley who came to the U.S. from County Cork, Ireland in about 1854. His believe his parents were Jeremiah and Ellen Riley. He came from Ireland and setteled in the Cliff Mine area of upper Michigan. He lived in the Cliff Mine area from 1854 until about 1897, when he moved to Butte Montana where he died and was buried. He married Bridget McGrath in April 1856 in Eagle Harbor. She died in 1881 and is buried in the Cliff Mine Catholic Cemetery. I believe that Peter's brothers and sisters include: Morgan, Margaret, Patrick, John, Dennis and Joseph. Any help in locating this family in Ireland will be greatly appreciated. Blair Moncur blairmoncur@gmail.com or moncur@hostidaho.com

I am looking for information about the parents and marriage of Patrick Riley and Julia Tobin. I believe that Patrick Riley was born on or about the 17th of March 1830 at or near Bantry, County Cork, Ireland. Julia Tobin was born on or about the 25th of October 1841 at or near Bantry, County Cork, Ireland. The couple was married in about 1865 somewhere near Bantry, County Cork, Ireland. Any information about this couple or their families will be greatly appreciated. Blair Moncur blairmoncur@gmail.com or moncur@hostidaho.com

Responding to Bill, and his visit to the Holy Sepulchre Cemetery. This morning after Mass for the Holy Souls, we had a procession from our church (St. Joseph's Aberavon/Port Talbot, South Wales.) to the Cemetery, where our Parish Priest, Fr. Joseph Cefai, of Maltese/Gozo extraction, led us in a short service, then he blessed the graves of those buried there. Walking away and reading the names of those buried there- AHEARNE, DOYLE, MADDEN, SULLIVAN, O'SULLIVAN, CROWLEY, SHEA, O'SHEA, SHEEHY, MAHONEY, LEAHY, O'LEARY, WATERS, BARRY, and many more who were born in Ireland. It was the Famine that brought most of them, but it also brought back the Catholic faith to our area, and also further afield, CARDIFF, MERTHYR, NEWPORT, and started up strong Catholic communities, so I was thankful for having that Irishness in me. Best wishes. John Patrick GRIFFITHS. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Gawne <gawne@cesmail.net> To: beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:11 Subject: [BEARA] An anecdote Dear friends of Beara, By way of commenting on the nature of Irish identity among those who left... I was in Detroit last Memorial Day with my mother. We'd gone there or the funeral of one of my father's brothers. After the olemnities, mom and I went out to Holy Sepulchre cemetery where so any of our relatives are buried. We stopped at the flower shop just utside the main gate to buy flowers, and mom wanted to get little rish flags to go with the bouquets. But they'd already sold out. here were rows and rows of flags from every other country you could magine, and the woman at the counter assured us she'd begun the day ith four rows of Irish flags among them, but they'd all gone out the oor by the time we got there in the afternoon. In the cemetery itself, back in section 6 where so many of my older elatives lie at rest, you can see on stone after stone, "Born in reland" "Born in Beara, Ireland" "Born in Ballylongford, Ireland" the stonecutter had to squeeze the letters to make that fit) "Born in reland" on and on and on as you walk along the rows. So yes, there's a strong and lasting sense of Irish identity, both for hose who came over and those of us who buy up those little tri-color lags to place on their graves. -- Bill ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

The most famous of a similar reply was from the Duke of Wellington......... When mentioned about his Irishness..... "If I was born in a stable would it make me a horse?) My reply would be "no, it would just prove your a Gobshite!" (a daily used term and totally acceptable) As for getting back to Genealogy........ please be my guest. Kevin. > From: mobones@bessi.net > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:04:50 -0500 > Subject: Re: [BEARA] An anecdote > > I'll add an Irish identity story from my own family. My great grandmother > Catharine Barry was born in London, but her family (we believe) was from the > next peninsula south of Beara, probably near the town of Crookhaven. They > moved to England to find work in the famine times. Catharine had a brother > Thomas, who had two sons while the family was in London: Thomas Jr and Jack > (John) Barry. > > A relative told me Tom Jr was teased once by someone who found out he had > been born in England, not Ireland. He replied sharply: "If a cat has > kittens in a chicken coop, does that make them chickens?" > > Kevin in MO > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Gawne" <gawne@cesmail.net> > To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 10:11 AM > Subject: [BEARA] An anecdote > > > > Dear friends of Beara, > > > > By way of commenting on the nature of Irish identity among those who > > left... > > > > I was in Detroit last Memorial Day with my mother. We'd gone there > > for the funeral of one of my father's brothers. After the > > solemnities, mom and I went out to Holy Sepulchre cemetery where so > > many of our relatives are buried. We stopped at the flower shop just > > outside the main gate to buy flowers, and mom wanted to get little > > Irish flags to go with the bouquets. But they'd already sold out. > > There were rows and rows of flags from every other country you could > > imagine, and the woman at the counter assured us she'd begun the day > > with four rows of Irish flags among them, but they'd all gone out the > > door by the time we got there in the afternoon. > > > > In the cemetery itself, back in section 6 where so many of my older > > relatives lie at rest, you can see on stone after stone, "Born in > > Ireland" "Born in Beara, Ireland" "Born in Ballylongford, Ireland" > > (the stonecutter had to squeeze the letters to make that fit) "Born in > > Ireland" on and on and on as you walk along the rows. > > > > So yes, there's a strong and lasting sense of Irish identity, both for > > those who came over and those of us who buy up those little tri-color > > flags to place on their graves. > > > > -- Bill > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.40/2471 - Release Date: 10/31/09 > 07:53:00 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop

Good one Kevin!! My ggrandmother was born in England to Irish parents then came to MA. I'll be passing this story on, especially to my 97 year old aunt who has defended my ggrandmother's Irishness!! Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Kelly" <mobones@bessi.net> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] An anecdote > I'll add an Irish identity story from my own family. My great grandmother > Catharine Barry was born in London, but her family (we believe) was from > the > next peninsula south of Beara, probably near the town of Crookhaven. They > moved to England to find work in the famine times. Catharine had a > brother > Thomas, who had two sons while the family was in London: Thomas Jr and > Jack > (John) Barry. > > A relative told me Tom Jr was teased once by someone who found out he had > been born in England, not Ireland. He replied sharply: "If a cat has > kittens in a chicken coop, does that make them chickens?" > > Kevin in MO > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Gawne" <gawne@cesmail.net> > To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 10:11 AM > Subject: [BEARA] An anecdote > > >> Dear friends of Beara, >> >> By way of commenting on the nature of Irish identity among those who >> left... >> >> I was in Detroit last Memorial Day with my mother. We'd gone there >> for the funeral of one of my father's brothers. After the >> solemnities, mom and I went out to Holy Sepulchre cemetery where so >> many of our relatives are buried. We stopped at the flower shop just >> outside the main gate to buy flowers, and mom wanted to get little >> Irish flags to go with the bouquets. But they'd already sold out. >> There were rows and rows of flags from every other country you could >> imagine, and the woman at the counter assured us she'd begun the day >> with four rows of Irish flags among them, but they'd all gone out the >> door by the time we got there in the afternoon. >> >> In the cemetery itself, back in section 6 where so many of my older >> relatives lie at rest, you can see on stone after stone, "Born in >> Ireland" "Born in Beara, Ireland" "Born in Ballylongford, Ireland" >> (the stonecutter had to squeeze the letters to make that fit) "Born in >> Ireland" on and on and on as you walk along the rows. >> >> So yes, there's a strong and lasting sense of Irish identity, both for >> those who came over and those of us who buy up those little tri-color >> flags to place on their graves. >> >> -- Bill >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.40/2471 - Release Date: 10/31/09 > 07:53:00 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I'll add an Irish identity story from my own family. My great grandmother Catharine Barry was born in London, but her family (we believe) was from the next peninsula south of Beara, probably near the town of Crookhaven. They moved to England to find work in the famine times. Catharine had a brother Thomas, who had two sons while the family was in London: Thomas Jr and Jack (John) Barry. A relative told me Tom Jr was teased once by someone who found out he had been born in England, not Ireland. He replied sharply: "If a cat has kittens in a chicken coop, does that make them chickens?" Kevin in MO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Gawne" <gawne@cesmail.net> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: [BEARA] An anecdote > Dear friends of Beara, > > By way of commenting on the nature of Irish identity among those who > left... > > I was in Detroit last Memorial Day with my mother. We'd gone there > for the funeral of one of my father's brothers. After the > solemnities, mom and I went out to Holy Sepulchre cemetery where so > many of our relatives are buried. We stopped at the flower shop just > outside the main gate to buy flowers, and mom wanted to get little > Irish flags to go with the bouquets. But they'd already sold out. > There were rows and rows of flags from every other country you could > imagine, and the woman at the counter assured us she'd begun the day > with four rows of Irish flags among them, but they'd all gone out the > door by the time we got there in the afternoon. > > In the cemetery itself, back in section 6 where so many of my older > relatives lie at rest, you can see on stone after stone, "Born in > Ireland" "Born in Beara, Ireland" "Born in Ballylongford, Ireland" > (the stonecutter had to squeeze the letters to make that fit) "Born in > Ireland" on and on and on as you walk along the rows. > > So yes, there's a strong and lasting sense of Irish identity, both for > those who came over and those of us who buy up those little tri-color > flags to place on their graves. > > -- Bill > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.40/2471 - Release Date: 10/31/09 07:53:00

My Brady relatives spent one generation in Durham England where the men worked the coal mines before coming to the states. Does anyone else have relatives that worked the coal mines in Durham. I doubt my Brady folks came from Beara but once in Leadville the coal miners switched to the silver mines. ~~C Sullivan --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Kevin Kelly <mobones@bessi.net> wrote: From: Kevin Kelly <mobones@bessi.net> Subject: Re: [BEARA] An anecdote To: beara@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 9:04 PM I'll add an Irish identity story from my own family.  My great grandmother Catharine Barry was born in London, but her family (we believe) was from the next peninsula south of Beara, probably near the town of Crookhaven.  They moved to England to find work in the famine times.  Catharine had a brother Thomas, who had two sons while the family was in London: Thomas Jr and Jack (John) Barry. A relative told me Tom Jr was teased once by someone who found out he had been born in England, not Ireland.  He replied sharply: "If a cat has kittens in a chicken coop, does that make them chickens?" Kevin in MO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Gawne" <gawne@cesmail.net> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: [BEARA] An anecdote > Dear friends of Beara, > > By way of commenting on the nature of Irish identity among those who > left... > > I was in Detroit last Memorial Day with my mother.  We'd gone there > for the funeral of one of my father's brothers.  After the > solemnities, mom and I went out to Holy Sepulchre cemetery where so > many of our relatives are buried.  We stopped at the flower shop just > outside the main gate to buy flowers, and mom wanted to get little > Irish flags to go with the bouquets.  But they'd already sold out. > There were rows and rows of flags from every other country you could > imagine, and the woman at the counter assured us she'd begun the day > with four rows of Irish flags among them, but they'd all gone out the > door by the time we got there in the afternoon. > > In the cemetery itself, back in section 6 where so many of my older > relatives lie at rest, you can see on stone after stone, "Born in > Ireland" "Born in Beara, Ireland" "Born in Ballylongford, Ireland" > (the stonecutter had to squeeze the letters to make that fit) "Born in > Ireland" on and on and on as you walk along the rows. > > So yes, there's a strong and lasting sense of Irish identity, both for > those who came over and those of us who buy up those little tri-color > flags to place on their graves. > > -- Bill > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.40/2471 - Release Date: 10/31/09 07:53:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Now that we have had a "good run" on this Irish citizenship business...how about we put it to rest.  Looking forward to other good geanology stories!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy Halloween from a former citizen of Croumphane, Eyeries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "el. McC." <ancestryhelp123@hotmail.com> To: beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:41:28 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [BEARA] 'irishness' It's exactly the same for UK subjects coming to Ireland. Kevin. > From: maureen@hardman75.freeserve.co.uk > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:28:56 +0000 > Subject: [BEARA] 'irishness' > > hi. > > i've been following your discussions on aquiring irish citizenship.  did you know that irish citizens are entitled to british welfare benefits  when they come to live in britain, i do not know if this is still possible as an uncle of mine from glengariff came to stay with us about ten years ago ? > > maureen o'sullivan hardman >   > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message                                                 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. Find the right PC for you. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It's exactly the same for UK subjects coming to Ireland. Kevin. > From: maureen@hardman75.freeserve.co.uk > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:28:56 +0000 > Subject: [BEARA] 'irishness' > > hi. > > i've been following your discussions on aquiring irish citizenship. did you know that irish citizens are entitled to british welfare benefits when they come to live in britain, i do not know if this is still possible as an uncle of mine from glengariff came to stay with us about ten years ago ? > > maureen o'sullivan hardman > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. Find the right PC for you. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop

AMEN! ----- Original Message ----- From: <ebsems3940@comcast.net> To: <beara@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [BEARA] 'irishness' > > > Now that we have had a "good run" on this Irish citizenship business...how about we put it to rest. > > > > Looking forward to other good geanology stories!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Happy Halloween from a former citizen of Croumphane, Eyeries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "el. McC." <ancestryhelp123@hotmail.com> > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:41:28 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [BEARA] 'irishness' > > > It's exactly the same for UK subjects coming to Ireland. > Kevin. > >> From: maureen@hardman75.freeserve.co.uk >> To: beara@rootsweb.com >> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:28:56 +0000 >> Subject: [BEARA] 'irishness' >> >> hi. >> >> i've been following your discussions on aquiring irish citizenship. did you know that irish citizens are entitled to british welfare benefits when they come to live in britain, i do not know if this is still possible as an uncle of mine from glengariff came to stay with us about ten years ago ? >> >> maureen o'sullivan hardman >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. Find the right PC for you. > http://windows.microsoft.com/shop > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Given the hostility of some of this debate, I'm reluctant to wade in, but I do feel the need to make a couple of points. 1. To some extent, citizenship is about making a choice. I don't know the current rules, but I believe that, in the 19th century, emigrants to the USA who sought citizenship there were obliged to renounce their allegiance to the British Crown. Clearly many of those emigrating from Ireland were more than happy to do so. Also emigration was - for many people at that time - a one way process and the choice was less of a issue. For us today, however, this poses a question as to who we are. I have considered obtaining an Irish passport, to which I would be entitled. Like most people contributing to this site, I am very aware of my Irishness. I am proud if Ireland's heritage and culture and have developed a love of the Irish language. In the end, however, I have to face the fact that I am a second-generation immigrant (to Britain) with a family here as well as an extended family, some of whom are still in Ireland, some in the US but mostly settled in Britain. Taking an Irish passport would, for me (and this is very personal) be a just a gesture. I will still be British and will not be emigrating to Ireland. 2. Don't assume that obtaining an Irish passport will provide protection abroad. Experience in troubled parts of the world, for example hostage-taking in Iraq, indicates that people will still see us as American, British or whatever, regardless of what passports we hold. 3. Citizenship can be a double-edged sword. The father of William Joyce fraudulently obtained British citizenship for himself and his family, incorrectly claiming that he had been born in Ireland (which was then part of the empire). When William Joyce's career as a propaganda broadcaster (known as Lord Haw Haw) for Germany came an abrupt end in 1945, he was tried and executed for treason. The basis of the prosecution was that, by holding a British passport, he had accepted the protection of the Crown and therefore was subject to its laws. This is a very extreme example but goes back to the point about choosing to whom we ultimately owe allegiance. Mise le meas. Pól Ó Súilleabháin -----Original Message----- From: beara-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:beara-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret M. Duffy Sent: 30 October 2009 20:40 To: beara@rootsweb.com; beara@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Citizenship Actually, I happen to think that this question was quite a reasonable one. I have no idea why some people lost their tempers. Why do people not born in Ireland want to spply for an Irish passport? Personally, I have thought about doing it several times, but have not yet actually pursued it. Why am I thinking of it? Well, first of all, because I'm entitled to it. I'm the child of two Irish born individuals, mother from Eyeries, father from County Longford. So, I am automatically an Irish citizen, as others have pointed out. And, since I have visited and stayed in Ireland so frequently over the years since I was a child, I feel Irish, especially when I am there, amonhg the people that I know. Second, as a matter of convenience. Since Ireland entered the European Union in the 1970s it would make entry into other European countries and Ireland itself much easier. No more standing in line for Irish or French or Italian Immigration, just breeze on through the EU citizens lines at the airports. Third, for protection. In a world where it can be dangerous to be identified as an American, it could be a good idea to hold a passport from a small neutral country. I well remember the difference in welcome that I received in France on a visit with my mother (who never became an American citizen). When I presented my American passport I received indifference (but at least not hostility). When my mother presented her Irish passport, the mood changed dramatically to one of warm welcome. However, as I said at the start of this response, although I've thought of doing it, I haven't actually done it yet. I still might though, especially once I retire and will have more time for traveling again. As for my opinion about people coming to the US and applying for citizenship and an American passport? The more the merrier. After all, that's how America grows. That's what my father did, after all. Margaret Duffy NY, NY -----Original Message----- >From: "el. McC." <ancestryhelp123@hotmail.com> >Sent: Oct 30, 2009 3:13 PM >To: beara@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [BEARA] Citizenship > > >I'll finally make this my last words on the subject. >This has to be the best reply Ive had all day......... Thank you for taking the time to give my daughter your comments. >Much appreciated. >Slán. > >> From: Shamrockri1@aol.com >> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:09:09 -0400 >> To: beara@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [BEARA] Citizenship >> >> I think your granddaughters question is making many of us think hard about >> the reasons people >> want dual citizenship. >> >> My grandparents brought me up, when my mother died in childbirth and I was >> 1 1/2 years old. >> I listened to many tales of Ireland, that they had heard from their >> parents, grandparents, aunts >> and uncles. I heard about the Shea's visiting Knock right before coming >> to America, in 1881 >> and stories going back many more generations. >> >> My grandfather told me he had few regrets,but one was not having been able >> to visit Ireland, before he >> died.. What he gave up to bring my sister and I up, I have been able to >> do several times >> I would have liked the dual citizenship to honor my grandparents and for >> the connection they >> gave me to Ireland. >> >> I feel connected with the beauty of Ireland, the sense of humor and >> friendliness of the people. >> Yes, there is a definite feeling of Irishness, one carried by generations >> of my family. >> >> Would they have ever left if my great great grandfather hadn't died from >> lung disease in Allihies, >> leading his family of many daughters without the means to keep living in >> Ireland? Would they >> have come to Fall River without so many others from Kitcatherine and >> Allihies having made the >> same journey before to welcome them? Those answers I don't know and wish >> I had asked.. >> >> I do know that my great grandparents still spoke Gaelic to each other in >> America and that love >> for all things Irish is still passed down to my grandchildren, as well. >> >> Any convenience is attached to Irish citizenship or an Irish passport, >> haven't even entered >> into my desire for dual ctizenship. >> >> I also realize many may not understand my connectedness,and that's >> understandable, too. >> >> I understand "foreigners" coming to the USA, legally, to escape famine, >> wars, etc. or because they >> ended up having more of their family here, then in their original country. >> I would not have a problem >> with them gaining American citizenship. >> >> I'd also understand,if African Americans wanted dual citizenship or >> American Indian descendents whose >> family were transported to the Carribean many years ago. There were many >> historical occurances >> which left people connected to their ancestors countries. There journey >> to find their original connections >> with "home" are often much more difficult then ours to Ireland. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >_________________________________________________________________ >New Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. 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Dear friends of Beara, By way of commenting on the nature of Irish identity among those who left... I was in Detroit last Memorial Day with my mother. We'd gone there for the funeral of one of my father's brothers. After the solemnities, mom and I went out to Holy Sepulchre cemetery where so many of our relatives are buried. We stopped at the flower shop just outside the main gate to buy flowers, and mom wanted to get little Irish flags to go with the bouquets. But they'd already sold out. There were rows and rows of flags from every other country you could imagine, and the woman at the counter assured us she'd begun the day with four rows of Irish flags among them, but they'd all gone out the door by the time we got there in the afternoon. In the cemetery itself, back in section 6 where so many of my older relatives lie at rest, you can see on stone after stone, "Born in Ireland" "Born in Beara, Ireland" "Born in Ballylongford, Ireland" (the stonecutter had to squeeze the letters to make that fit) "Born in Ireland" on and on and on as you walk along the rows. So yes, there's a strong and lasting sense of Irish identity, both for those who came over and those of us who buy up those little tri-color flags to place on their graves. -- Bill

Hi Kevin, Misunderstandings....following the herd..... Thanks for your well put explanation. I'm wishing you the very best. Barbara

hi. i've been following your discussions on aquiring irish citizenship. did you know that irish citizens are entitled to british welfare benefits when they come to live in britain, i do not know if this is still possible as an uncle of mine from glengariff came to stay with us about ten years ago ? maureen o'sullivan hardman

I'll finally make this my last words on the subject. This has to be the best reply Ive had all day......... Thank you for taking the time to give my daughter your comments. Much appreciated. Slán. > From: Shamrockri1@aol.com > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:09:09 -0400 > To: beara@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BEARA] Citizenship > > I think your granddaughters question is making many of us think hard about > the reasons people > want dual citizenship. > > My grandparents brought me up, when my mother died in childbirth and I was > 1 1/2 years old. > I listened to many tales of Ireland, that they had heard from their > parents, grandparents, aunts > and uncles. I heard about the Shea's visiting Knock right before coming > to America, in 1881 > and stories going back many more generations. > > My grandfather told me he had few regrets,but one was not having been able > to visit Ireland, before he > died.. What he gave up to bring my sister and I up, I have been able to > do several times > I would have liked the dual citizenship to honor my grandparents and for > the connection they > gave me to Ireland. > > I feel connected with the beauty of Ireland, the sense of humor and > friendliness of the people. > Yes, there is a definite feeling of Irishness, one carried by generations > of my family. > > Would they have ever left if my great great grandfather hadn't died from > lung disease in Allihies, > leading his family of many daughters without the means to keep living in > Ireland? Would they > have come to Fall River without so many others from Kitcatherine and > Allihies having made the > same journey before to welcome them? Those answers I don't know and wish > I had asked.. > > I do know that my great grandparents still spoke Gaelic to each other in > America and that love > for all things Irish is still passed down to my grandchildren, as well. > > Any convenience is attached to Irish citizenship or an Irish passport, > haven't even entered > into my desire for dual ctizenship. > > I also realize many may not understand my connectedness,and that's > understandable, too. > > I understand "foreigners" coming to the USA, legally, to escape famine, > wars, etc. or because they > ended up having more of their family here, then in their original country. > I would not have a problem > with them gaining American citizenship. > > I'd also understand,if African Americans wanted dual citizenship or > American Indian descendents whose > family were transported to the Carribean many years ago. There were many > historical occurances > which left people connected to their ancestors countries. There journey > to find their original connections > with "home" are often much more difficult then ours to Ireland. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. Find the right PC for you. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop

Im leaving this thread.......mainly because of the abusive e mails Im receiving off list. Next one I get Ill post straight to the list. Though Im sure the idiots have used a temp. e mail addss. ( Ever heard of IP addss's?) All I added was for people to re read the original post.......it appears some have a problem with what's actually written and what they are reading. Those of you who have been so abusive.......... I feel very sorry for you.......I really do. The term" get a life "comes to mind. Slán. _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop

Do you realise how this nonsense actually annoys the Irish? > > Ah, tis the Irish; no enemy to fight then fight among ourselves! over > nothing! > Peace and love to all, Warren Gardner MacDonald (Gardner for Irish and > MacDonald for Scot). > Slante . . . > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "el. McC." <ancestryhelp123@hotmail.com> > To: <beara@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 10:36 AM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Citizenship > > > > Thanks Sally, Thats the type of answer I was looking for instead of the type > bordering on abusive. > I'll pass this e mail onto my daughter. > Go raibh maith agat. > Slán, Kevin. > > > From: sbair@tds.net > > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:13:05 -0500 > > To: beara@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [BEARA] Citizenship > > > > For me, Irish citizenship (dual with my USA citizenship) is wanted > > for the feeling of "Irishness" .... my ancestors are from there & I > > still have cousins in Beara. > > > > As far as foreigners coming to USA, I have no problem. That is a > > question between them & USA Immigration. Their reasons for wishing > > USA citizenship are a lot different from my wanting Irish citizenship/ > > passport. Few of them have ancestors dating back over 100+ years in > > USA as have I in Ireland. There has not been a huge exodus from USA > > of Americans to other countries as has been true for many immigrating > > from Ireland to USA in the last century. Today's USA immigrants have > > many the same reasons for wanting to come to USA as did our Irish > > ancestors from Ireland. Our Statute of Liberty welcomes immigrants & > > states this well: "Give me your poor..." > > > > Sally > > > > > > Sally O'Sullivan Bair > > Secretary General > > International Federation of Sleddog Sports (IFSS) > > 8554 Gateway Circle > > Monticello, MN 55362 USA > > Tel: +1 763 295 5465 > > Fax: +1 763 295 3290 > > Email: sbair@tds.net > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 30, 2009, at 5:29 AM, el. McC. wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, It appears some of you got out of bed the wrong side yesterday > > > morning. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. I asked was it convenience or a real feeling........ I did not > > > state it was convenience.....I wanted your opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Yes I think it's a reasonable question on how you feel about > > > other people coming to the States. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. This question came about because my daughter is doing a project > > > in school. Plain and simple. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd hate to get into a friendly debate with some of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think some of you were reading things in my post that weren't > > > there......this is your problem not mine. > > > > > > > > > > > > What should I do? Go and tell my daughter off for asking a straight > > > forward question? > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest you read my post below again. > > > > > > > > > > > > Slán, Kevin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiousity......why do you want Irish citizenship/ > > > passports? > > > > > > Is it just convenience or a feeling for Irishness? > > > > > > Also, do you feel the same for "foreigners" applying for US > > > citizenship? > > > > > > This is a question for all.......... something that my daughter > > > asked about. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. > > > http://windows.microsoft.com/shop > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA- > > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > New Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. Find the right PC for you. > http://windows.microsoft.com/shop > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop

Margeret, Thank you for a voice of common sense Bill ________________________________ From: Margaret M. Duffy <mmduffy@mindspring.com> To: beara@rootsweb.com; beara@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 4:39:54 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] Citizenship Actually, I happen to think that this question was quite a reasonable one.  I have no idea why some people lost their tempers.  Why do people not born in Ireland want to spply for an Irish passport?  Personally, I have thought about doing it several times, but have not yet actually pursued it.  Why am I thinking of it?  Well, first of all, because I'm entitled to it.  I'm the child of two Irish born individuals, mother from Eyeries, father from County Longford.  So, I am automatically an Irish citizen, as others have pointed out.  And, since I have visited and stayed in Ireland so frequently over the years since I was a child, I feel Irish, especially when I am there, amonhg the people that I know. Second, as a matter of convenience.  Since Ireland entered the European Union in the 1970s it would make entry into other European countries and Ireland itself much easier.  No more standing in line for Irish or French or Italian Immigration, just breeze on through the EU citizens lines at the airports. Third, for protection.  In a world where it can be dangerous to be identified as an American, it could be a good idea to hold a passport from a small neutral country.  I well remember the difference in welcome that I received in France on a visit with my mother (who never became an American citizen).  When I presented my American passport I received indifference (but at least not hostility).  When my mother presented her Irish passport, the mood changed dramatically to one of warm welcome.  However, as I said at the start of this response, although I've thought of doing it, I haven't actually done it yet.  I still might though, especially once I retire and will have more time for traveling again. As for my opinion about people coming to the US and applying for citizenship and an American passport?  The more the merrier.  After all, that's how America grows.  That's what my father did, after all.  Margaret Duffy NY, NY -----Original Message----- >From: "el. McC." <ancestryhelp123@hotmail.com> >Sent: Oct 30, 2009 3:13 PM >To: beara@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [BEARA] Citizenship > > >I'll finally make this my last words on the subject. >This has to be the best reply Ive had all day......... Thank you for taking the time to give my daughter your comments. >Much appreciated. >Slán. > >> From: Shamrockri1@aol.com >> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:09:09 -0400 >> To: beara@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [BEARA] Citizenship >> >> I think your granddaughters question is making many of us think hard about  >> the reasons people >> want dual citizenship. >>  >> My grandparents brought me up, when my mother died in childbirth and I was  >> 1 1/2 years old. >> I listened to many tales of Ireland, that they had heard from their  >> parents, grandparents, aunts >> and uncles.  I heard about the Shea's visiting Knock right before  coming >> to America, in 1881 >> and stories going back many more generations. >>  >> My grandfather told me he had few regrets,but one was not having been  able >> to visit Ireland, before he >> died..  What he gave up to bring my sister and I up, I have been able  to >> do several times  >> I would have liked the dual citizenship to honor my grandparents and for  >> the connection they >> gave me to Ireland. >>  >> I feel connected with the beauty of Ireland, the sense of humor and  >> friendliness of the people. >> Yes, there is a definite feeling of Irishness, one carried by generations  >> of my family. >>  >> Would they have ever left if my great great grandfather hadn't died  from >> lung disease in Allihies, >> leading his family of many daughters without the means to keep living in  >> Ireland?  Would they >> have come to Fall River without so many others from Kitcatherine and  >> Allihies having made the >> same journey before to welcome them?  Those answers I don't know and  wish >> I had asked..  >>  >> I do know that my great grandparents still spoke Gaelic to each other in  >> America and that love >> for all things Irish is still passed down to my grandchildren, as  well. >>  >> Any convenience is attached to Irish citizenship or an Irish passport,  >> haven't even entered >> into my desire for dual ctizenship. >>  >> I also realize many may not understand my connectedness,and that's  >> understandable, too. >>  >> I understand "foreigners" coming to the USA, legally, to  escape famine, >> wars, etc. or because they >> ended up having more of their family here, then in their original  country. >>  I would not have a problem >> with them gaining American citizenship.  >>  >> I'd also understand,if African Americans wanted dual citizenship or  >> American Indian descendents whose >> family were transported to the Carribean  many years ago.  There were many >> historical occurances >> which left people connected to their ancestors countries.  There  journey >> to find their original connections >> with "home" are often much more difficult then ours to Ireland. >>  >>  >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEARA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >                         >_________________________________________________________________ >New Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. 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