The post I sent earlier described a rate increase suddenly announced from the GRO. Unfortunately, the sign for "Euro" was replaced by a question mark in the posting. It should have read as follows: Without prior notice, the Irish General Register Office (GRO) doubled their fees for long form birth, marriage, and death certificates from 10 euros to 20 euros plus postage effective January 23, 2013 see: http://www.groireland.ie/fees.htm Prior to the increase, the charge for all certificates cost 8 euros, with a 2 euros fee for searching. The certificates affected are the 'long-form, full copy' of the registered entry. Do not confuse the long forms with 'research' photocopies that most researchers prefer to buy from the GRO and cost only 4 euros, with a 2 euros fee for searching. Due to the absence of an online facility via the GRO, many overseas researchers buy the full certificate via www.certificates.ie when possible. GRO (Roscommon or Dublin), the research copy cost 4 euros a shot, plus 2 euros if you couldn't provide the full reference number (found in the civil registration indexes). Due to inequities of local offices charging research fees for different amounts, the GRO has instructed the local registration offices to charge only the 4 euros fee when the reference is provided. Chuck Weinstein Bellport, NY [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 25 Today's Topics: 1. Beara Column (Riobard O' Dwyer) 2. Thank You Riobard (Patrick Mahoney) 3. For Those of You Needing Documents from the Irish General Register Office (Chuck Weinstein) 4. Re: BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 24 (terrance) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 19:48:28 +0000 From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> Subject: [BEARA] Beara Column To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 See under "Beara Column", the one which I sent in today ----- the one about the Priest and the Dance Hall in Ardgroom Village; and about the Priest and the "Confession" and the bag of spuds (=potatoes) . * ---- Riobard * ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 12:48:09 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Mahoney <[email protected]> Subject: [BEARA] Thank You Riobard To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am mostly a lurker on here as I am at a brick wall with my Beara line with nothing much to offer to the group but thoroughly enjoyed Riobard's reminiscing and it brought to mind my great grandfather's oft told story of his father's run in with the local priest in Ardgroom!! Wondering if anyone knows if there are any surviving pictures of the Protestant Church in Ardgroom...and/or is there a different protestant church that would have served Ardgroom Inward? My great grandfather was James Alyosius Sullivan and he was baptized in the Protestant church in September of 1851 along with the younger half of his many brother's and sisters...but the older few were baptized Catholic!! While the church records from the time of their baptisms and the marriage of their parents Patrick Sullivan and Honora Shea seem to have been lost to us I know this from an account in the family bible by the eldest of the siblings named Daniel Sullivan [born in 1835 baptized Catholic], and emigrated to Chicago where he was a stonemason by trade. His youngest brother William Sullivan [born 1858 and baptized Protestant] also emigrated to Chicago, where he worked at the landmark Water Tower as an engineer, backed up the family legend as follows: The family patriarch, Patrick Sullivan was the local school teacher in Ardgroom Inward. Sometime between 1835 and 1841 the local parish priest had a brother in need of a teaching position and as the priests controlled the schools my great great grandfather was put out of the job in favor of the priest's brother....and from that day forward the Patrick Sullivan family never set foot in the Catholic Church in Ardgroom Inward! [Though they must have secretly kept the faith because all but the very youngest William practiced Catholicism once they emigrated to the States!!] Griffith's valuations show too many Patrick Sullivan's for me to guess which one is "my" Patrick Sullivan and there is ironically more than one Sullivan family in the area listed as Protestant in the census of 1901 so I am now at by brick wall sadly. Any chance any one has another clue for me to follow I would welcome suggestions! Especially with James Alyosious Sullivan's in-laws Cornelius Shea and Katherine Sheehan who came to Connecticut in 1852 where his wife Mary Francis Shea was born in 1853. Sadly I have nothing to tell me where on Beara those two originated.... Suzanne Mahoney ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 15:56:37 -0500 From: "Chuck Weinstein" <[email protected]> Subject: [BEARA] For Those of You Needing Documents from the Irish General Register Office To: "Beara Mailing List" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Without prior notice, the Irish General Register Office (GRO) doubled their fees for long form birth, marriage, and death certificates from ?10 to ?20 plus postage effective January 23, 2013 see: http://www.groireland.ie/fees.htm Prior to the increase, the charge for all certificates cost ?8, with a ?2 fee for searching. The certificates affected are the 'long-form, full copy? of the registered entry. Do not confuse the long forms with 'research' photocopies that most researchers prefer to buy from the GRO and cost only ?4, with a ?2 fee for searching. Due to the absence of an online facility via the GRO, many overseas researchers buy the full certificate via www.certificates.ie when possible. GRO (Roscommon or Dublin), the research copy cost ?4 a shot, plus ?2 if you couldn't provide the full reference number (found in the civil registration indexes). Due to inequities of local offices charging research fees for different amounts, the GRO has instructed the local registration offices to charge only the ?4 fee when the reference is provided. Chuck Weinstein Bellport, NY [email protected] ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:39:49 -0500 From: "terrance" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 24 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Re: The Beara Column. The Dance. What a great story. If there is ever a remaking of the Bally Kissangel, this story should be one of the episodes. Thank you -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 24 Today's Topics: 1. Re: The Beara Column. (Riobard O' Dwyer) 2. Re: The Beara Column. ([email protected]) 3. Re: The beginning of the story (pat oleary) 4. When I was very young, (Riobard O' Dwyer) 5. Re: The Beara Column. (Riobard O' Dwyer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 12:10:03 +0000 From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] The Beara Column. To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello Folks, Been away for the past 9 or so days ---- Joan had an ankle broken in two places. I'll just have time for the moment to give you another episode of my Village when I was a small boy ---- and then forgive me for leaving you waiting until you hear from me again ---- didn't know that it was going to be like this when I started ---- but such is life. In my very young days, I remember my father and Tim (Dorohy) O'Sullivan building with their blocks the first parts of the walls of the Dance Hall in Ardgroom. Both, hard-working men, are long dead R.I.P. The Protestant Church in Ardgroom Inward was then a long time closed, so my father got the diamond windows of it. He built the roof of the Dance Hall himself. In those days the time for dancing was very short, and the Priests were dead against dancing at all. I remember as a lad of 10 years of age sitting in a seat in Ardgroom Church beside my father and mother, and listening to the Priest denouncing my father from the Altar for not closing his hall at 10 o'clock on a Sunday night !! The Priest came into the Hall another night, and spread out his hands, giving his signal to the crowd to get out. The Priest used ask people in the Confession Box if they were dancing in O'Dwyers' Hall the Sunday night before. Many of the local crowd were so much afraid of the Priest that they used be walking up and down the road outside the Dance Hall, afraid to go in. The Lauragh crowd, just across the boundary bridge in Co. Kerry, kept supporting us. They happened to be in a different Parish. I'm sorry to day that some of the Priests in those days had the "power" over the people then ---- and they certainly used and abused it. It was not until one day cycling to Castletownbere, my father came across the Priest out walking. My father jumped off the bicycle and said to the Priest: "May God forgive you, Father. You are taking the bread out of my childrens' mouths". From that day on, the Priest didn't interfere again. Even allowing for all that blackguarding by the Priest, my father and mother kept going to Mass, and always said the Rosary every night before going to bed. Not all Priests were like that. Some were very fine and noble men. I have some really good Priest friends today, but I'm sad to say that some of the Priests away back in my very small days were pure dictators --- and, unfortunately, the Church is suffering today after years of that kind of "goings on" by some who were certainly not carrying out the Word of God as it should have been carried out by them. A big number of the young generation now are not going to Mass at all ---- again, unfortunately. I'll finish by telling you the true story of an old man in our own Parish who went to Confession one time. Let us say for the purpose of the story that his name was Jack Sullivan ----- though that was not his real name. In he went to the Confession box and slowly knelt down. The Priest, who I must say, was bit of an "odd-ball", pulled back the shutter and looked out. "You're Jack Sullivan, aren't you ?. "I am, Father", said old Jack slowly. "I hear that you have great spuds (=potatoes)", said the Priest. "Weeshia, I have, Father", replied Jack. "You might send me west a bag of them next week", said the Priest. "Alright so, Father", replied Jack. With that, the Priest started pulling back the shutter. While the shutter was about half-way across, Jack stuck in his nose, and said he: "And what about my sins, Father ?" "That's alright", said the Priest. "Send me west the bag of spuds next week" ---- and closed the shutter. And that was the end of Jack's Confession !!! ----- Riobard. On 15 January 2013 21:12, Dr. Dan Harrington <[email protected]>wrote: > Thank you Riobard from St. Lucia > > Dan Harrington > > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > *Hello, Beara folks all over the world, > > This is that man from Beara calling. > > His name is Riobard. I have awoken from what I thought would be a > fine, > > long rest from tormenting you all ---- and I hope to be taking that rest > > again soon. But I couldn't let Bill Gawne down. He is a man in a > > million, > > and has done magnificent and hard work keeping the Beara column going. > The > > column has been thin on the ground lately ---- and if that excellent > column > > for Beara people far and wide ever falls by the wayside, you and I will > be > > lamenting the fact ---- but it will then be too late. I hope as many as > can > > of you will make a big effort to help Bill by submitting an article now > and > > then. As long as it will be of some interest at all, in order to keep > > the > > column going for as long as possible for all our sakes, it will be very > > welcome. You don't have to be one of the top writers in the world. Just > be > > an ordinary one like myself ---- and we'll all get by. And what is more > > important, the Beara column will have a new lease of life. > > To help in getting the ball rolling again in a livelier fashion, I > will > > start tomorrow, in my own small way, by telling you what life was like > in > > my own small Village of Ardgroom in the Beara Peninsula in the days now > > long by when I was just a little fellow. > > 'Til then, very best wishes from > > Riobard. > > * > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:26:42 +0000 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BEARA] The Beara Column. To: [email protected] Message-ID: <1422238928[email protected]b 1.c17.bise6.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" "The Borderline Ballroom, where Cork meets Kerry". I remember it well. Where in inward was the Protestant Church Riobard? Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry? -----Original Message----- From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 12:10:03 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BEARA] The Beara Column. Hello Folks, Been away for the past 9 or so days ---- Joan had an ankle broken in two places. I'll just have time for the moment to give you another episode of my Village when I was a small boy ---- and then forgive me for leaving you waiting until you hear from me again ---- didn't know that it was going to be like this when I started ---- but such is life. In my very young days, I remember my father and Tim (Dorohy) O'Sullivan building with their blocks the first parts of the walls of the Dance Hall in Ardgroom. Both, hard-working men, are long dead R.I.P. The Protestant Church in Ardgroom Inward was then a long time closed, so my father got the diamond windows of it. He built the roof of the Dance Hall himself. In those days the time for dancing was very short, and the Priests were dead against dancing at all. I remember as a lad of 10 years of age sitting in a seat in Ardgroom Church beside my father and mother, and listening to the Priest denouncing my father from the Altar for not closing his hall at 10 o'clock on a Sunday night !! The Priest came into the Hall another night, and spread out his hands, giving his signal to the crowd to get out. The Priest used ask people in the Confession Box if they were dancing in O'Dwyers' Hall the Sunday night before. Many of the local crowd were so much afraid of the Priest that they used be walking up and down the road outside the Dance Hall, afraid to go in. The Lauragh crowd, just across the boundary bridge in Co. Kerry, kept supporting us. They happened to be in a different Parish. I'm sorry to day that some of the Priests in those days had the "power" over the people then ---- and they certainly used and abused it. It was not until one day cycling to Castletownbere, my father came across the Priest out walking. My father jumped off the bicycle and said to the Priest: "May God forgive you, Father. You are taking the bread out of my childrens' mouths". From that day on, the Priest didn't interfere again. Even allowing for all that blackguarding by the Priest, my father and mother kept going to Mass, and always said the Rosary every night before going to bed. Not all Priests were like that. Some were very fine and noble men. I have some really good Priest friends today, but I'm sad to say that some of the Priests away back in my very small days were pure dictators --- and, unfortunately, the Church is suffering today after years of that kind of "goings on" by some who were certainly not carrying out the Word of God as it should have been carried out by them. A big number of the young generation now are not going to Mass at all ---- again, unfortunately. I'll finish by telling you the true story of an old man in our own Parish who went to Confession one time. Let us say for the purpose of the story that his name was Jack Sullivan ----- though that was not his real name. In he went to the Confession box and slowly knelt down. The Priest, who I must say, was bit of an "odd-ball", pulled back the shutter and looked out. "You're Jack Sullivan, aren't you ?. "I am, Father", said old Jack slowly. "I hear that you have great spuds (=potatoes)", said the Priest. "Weeshia, I have, Father", replied Jack. "You might send me west a bag of them next week", said the Priest. "Alright so, Father", replied Jack. With that, the Priest started pulling back the shutter. While the shutter was about half-way across, Jack stuck in his nose, and said he: "And what about my sins, Father ?" "That's alright", said the Priest. "Send me west the bag of spuds next week" ---- and closed the shutter. And that was the end of Jack's Confession !!! ----- Riobard. On 15 January 2013 21:12, Dr. Dan Harrington <[email protected]>wrote: > Thank you Riobard from St. Lucia > > Dan Harrington > > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > *Hello, Beara folks all over the world, > > This is that man from Beara calling. > > His name is Riobard. I have awoken from what I thought would be a > fine, > > long rest from tormenting you all ---- and I hope to be taking that rest > > again soon. But I couldn't let Bill Gawne down. He is a man in a > > million, > > and has done magnificent and hard work keeping the Beara column going. > The > > column has been thin on the ground lately ---- and if that excellent > column > > for Beara people far and wide ever falls by the wayside, you and I will > be > > lamenting the fact ---- but it will then be too late. I hope as many as > can > > of you will make a big effort to help Bill by submitting an article now > and > > then. As long as it will be of some interest at all, in order to keep > > the > > column going for as long as possible for all our sakes, it will be very > > welcome. You don't have to be one of the top writers in the world. Just > be > > an ordinary one like myself ---- and we'll all get by. And what is more > > important, the Beara column will have a new lease of life. > > To help in getting the ball rolling again in a livelier fashion, I > will > > start tomorrow, in my own small way, by telling you what life was like > in > > my own small Village of Ardgroom in the Beara Peninsula in the days now > > long by when I was just a little fellow. > > 'Til then, very best wishes from > > Riobard. > > * > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 07:07:41 -0800 (PST) From: pat oleary <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] The beginning of the story To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- On Wed, 1/16/13, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: From: Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> Subject: [BEARA] The beginning of the story To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 3:54 PM *???Just in from Bantry Hospital, and then to a (funeral) removal in Castletownbere, and we must head off to a Cork City Hospital very early tomorrow morning* ----? *Joan happened to fracture just above the ankle. But I had made you a promise that I would get my story started for you --- and I like to keep a promise, if I can at all. Time, unfortunately, forces me to begin only the beginning for the moment. *???Ardgroom Village in the Beara Peninsula lies in County Cork, but just over the County Kerry border. In it lived many, many years ago a small lad who his mother described as being a bit "arch" !! ---- and whose name was Riobard (O'Dwyer) ---- me. ???An example of this was:- When going to the Primary School at about 10 years of age, there happened to be another lad in my own class by the name of Vincie (Jer Denny) Harrington, about 10 years of age also. ???One day in class, the teacher was telling us that Our Lord died on the Cross, and was buried, but that He rose again after 3 days. Vincie and I decided that we would test out to see if Kate O'Hara's duck would be as powerful with those wonderful deeds as Our Lord. Kate O'Hara was an old lady who had a small shop in the Village, She had some ducks in her backyard. So Vincie and I took the "loan" of one of Kate O'Hara's ducks to try out a test if Kate O'Hara' duck would have the same power as Our Lord, as regards Our Lord's wonderful deeds. Off we went with the duck to a small field behind the Village; dug a big hole; and buried Kate O'Hara's duck in it. We waited for 3 days to see if the duck would then arise like Our Lord. But, when we arrived at the duck's "graveyard", and dug up the "grave" to see if? the duck was able to perform the same miracle as Our Lord did --- but, alas, the duck was still there as dead as the day we buried her. That certainly proved to us that Our Lord had far more power than Kate O'Hara's duck !!! ???More to follow, when I have the chance. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ---- Riobard ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:08:11 +0000 From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> Subject: [BEARA] When I was very young, To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 *In the olden days, when I was very young, dancing in our hall in Ardgroom Village was from 8pm to 10pm.* Even so, the Priest was against dancing at all. I remember at 10 years of age sitting beside my father and mother in Ardgroom Church, and listening to the Priest denouncing my father from the Altar because he wouldn't close his Dance Hall at 10 o'clock on a Sunday night. The Priest used ask people in Confession if they were dancing in our Hall the previous Sunday night. He used come into the Hall and spread our his hands to frighten out of the Hall the dancers in it. Many people were walking up and down outside the hall afraid of the Priest, who certainly both used and abused the "power" he was supposed to have. It was not until my father, when cycling to Castletownbere one day, met the Priest who was out walking. He jumped off his bike and said to the Priest: "May God forgive you Father. You are taking the bread out of my childrens' mouths". Through all the Priest's blackguarding, my father and mother kept going to Mass, and they always said the Rosary every night before they went to bed. I'm sorry to say that in those days, many Priests were just pure dictators. Times have now changed alot. People, and many of those of the younger generation don't go to Mass at all. Some Priests are doing the Church alot of damage. I'm glad that I have several good Priests among my friends T.G. When I have time some day again, I'll continue. ----- Riobard. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 19:38:10 +0000 From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] The Beara Column. To: [email protected], [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The Protestant Church was in the townland of Reenavaude, in Ardgroom Inward ---- almost beside the road going out to Ardgroom Village; beside what is now Donie Murphy's house, and before you come to Cumeendeach cross As far as I know, some parts of the walls are there still. ---- Riobard. On 26 January 2013 13:26, <[email protected]> wrote: > "The Borderline Ballroom, where Cork meets Kerry". I remember it well. > Where in inward was the Protestant Church Riobard? > Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry? > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 12:10:03 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BEARA] The Beara Column. > > Hello Folks, > Been away for the past 9 or so days ---- Joan had an ankle > broken in two places. I'll just have time for the moment to give you > another episode of my Village when I was a small boy ---- and then forgive > me for leaving you waiting until you hear from me again ---- didn't know > that it was going to be like this when I started ---- but such is life. > In my very young days, I remember my father and Tim > (Dorohy) O'Sullivan building with their blocks the first parts of the > walls > of the Dance Hall in Ardgroom. Both, hard-working men, are long dead > R.I.P. > The Protestant Church in Ardgroom Inward was then a long time closed, so > my > father got the diamond windows of it. He built the roof of the Dance Hall > himself. > In those days the time for dancing was very short, and the > Priests were dead against dancing at all. I remember as a lad of 10 years > of age sitting in a seat in Ardgroom Church beside my father and mother, > and listening to the Priest denouncing my father from the Altar for not > closing his hall at 10 o'clock on a Sunday night !! The Priest came into > the Hall another night, and spread out his hands, giving his signal to the > crowd to get out. The Priest used ask people in the Confession Box if they > were dancing in O'Dwyers' Hall the Sunday night before. Many of the local > crowd were so much afraid of the Priest that they used be walking up and > down the road outside the Dance Hall, afraid to go in. The Lauragh crowd, > just across the boundary bridge in Co. Kerry, kept supporting us. They > happened to be in a different Parish. I'm sorry to day that some of the > Priests in those days had the "power" over the people then ---- and they > certainly used and abused it. It was not until one day cycling to > Castletownbere, my father came across the Priest out walking. My father > jumped off the bicycle and said to the Priest: "May God forgive you, > Father. You are taking the bread out of my childrens' mouths". From that > day on, the Priest didn't interfere again. Even allowing for all that > blackguarding by the Priest, my father and mother kept going to Mass, and > always said the Rosary every night before going to bed. Not all Priests > were like that. Some were very fine and noble men. I have some really good > Priest friends today, but I'm sad to say that some of the Priests away > back > in my very small days were pure dictators --- and, unfortunately, the > Church is suffering today after years of that kind of "goings on" by some > who were certainly not carrying out the Word of God as it should have been > carried out by them. A big number of the young generation now are not > going > to Mass at all ---- again, unfortunately. > I'll finish by telling you the true story of an old man in our own > Parish who went to Confession one time. Let us say for the purpose of the > story that his name was Jack Sullivan ----- though that was not his real > name. In he went to the Confession box and slowly knelt down. The Priest, > who I must say, was bit of an "odd-ball", pulled back the shutter and > looked out. "You're Jack Sullivan, aren't you ?. "I am, Father", said old > Jack slowly. "I hear that you have great spuds (=potatoes)", said the > Priest. "Weeshia, I have, Father", replied Jack. "You might send me west a > bag of them next week", said the Priest. "Alright so, Father", replied > Jack. With that, the Priest started pulling back the shutter. While the > shutter was about half-way across, Jack stuck in his nose, and said he: > "And what about my sins, Father ?" "That's alright", said the Priest. > "Send > me west the bag of spuds next week" ---- and closed the shutter. And that > was the end of Jack's Confession !!! > ----- Riobard. > > > On 15 January 2013 21:12, Dr. Dan Harrington > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Thank you Riobard from St. Lucia > > > > Dan Harrington > > > > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Riobard O' Dwyer < > [email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > *Hello, Beara folks all over the world, > > > This is that man from Beara calling. > > > His name is Riobard. I have awoken from what I thought would be a > > fine, > > > long rest from tormenting you all ---- and I hope to be taking that > rest > > > again soon. But I couldn't let Bill Gawne down. He is a man in a > million, > > > and has done magnificent and hard work keeping the Beara column > > > going. > > The > > > column has been thin on the ground lately ---- and if that excellent > > column > > > for Beara people far and wide ever falls by the wayside, you and I > > > will > > be > > > lamenting the fact ---- but it will then be too late. I hope as many > > > as > > can > > > of you will make a big effort to help Bill by submitting an article > > > now > > and > > > then. As long as it will be of some interest at all, in order to keep > the > > > column going for as long as possible for all our sakes, it will be > > > very > > > welcome. You don't have to be one of the top writers in the world. > > > Just > > be > > > an ordinary one like myself ---- and we'll all get by. And what is > > > more > > > important, the Beara column will have a new lease of life. > > > To help in getting the ball rolling again in a livelier fashion, I > > will > > > start tomorrow, in my own small way, by telling you what life was > > > like > > in > > > my own small Village of Ardgroom in the Beara Peninsula in the days > > > now > > > long by when I was just a little fellow. > > > 'Til then, very best wishes from > > > Riobard. > > > * > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------ To contact the BEARA list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the BEARA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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Re: The Beara Column. The Dance. What a great story. If there is ever a remaking of the Bally Kissangel, this story should be one of the episodes. Thank you -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 24 Today's Topics: 1. Re: The Beara Column. (Riobard O' Dwyer) 2. Re: The Beara Column. ([email protected]) 3. Re: The beginning of the story (pat oleary) 4. When I was very young, (Riobard O' Dwyer) 5. Re: The Beara Column. (Riobard O' Dwyer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 12:10:03 +0000 From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] The Beara Column. To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello Folks, Been away for the past 9 or so days ---- Joan had an ankle broken in two places. I'll just have time for the moment to give you another episode of my Village when I was a small boy ---- and then forgive me for leaving you waiting until you hear from me again ---- didn't know that it was going to be like this when I started ---- but such is life. In my very young days, I remember my father and Tim (Dorohy) O'Sullivan building with their blocks the first parts of the walls of the Dance Hall in Ardgroom. Both, hard-working men, are long dead R.I.P. The Protestant Church in Ardgroom Inward was then a long time closed, so my father got the diamond windows of it. He built the roof of the Dance Hall himself. In those days the time for dancing was very short, and the Priests were dead against dancing at all. I remember as a lad of 10 years of age sitting in a seat in Ardgroom Church beside my father and mother, and listening to the Priest denouncing my father from the Altar for not closing his hall at 10 o'clock on a Sunday night !! The Priest came into the Hall another night, and spread out his hands, giving his signal to the crowd to get out. The Priest used ask people in the Confession Box if they were dancing in O'Dwyers' Hall the Sunday night before. Many of the local crowd were so much afraid of the Priest that they used be walking up and down the road outside the Dance Hall, afraid to go in. The Lauragh crowd, just across the boundary bridge in Co. Kerry, kept supporting us. They happened to be in a different Parish. I'm sorry to day that some of the Priests in those days had the "power" over the people then ---- and they certainly used and abused it. It was not until one day cycling to Castletownbere, my father came across the Priest out walking. My father jumped off the bicycle and said to the Priest: "May God forgive you, Father. You are taking the bread out of my childrens' mouths". From that day on, the Priest didn't interfere again. Even allowing for all that blackguarding by the Priest, my father and mother kept going to Mass, and always said the Rosary every night before going to bed. Not all Priests were like that. Some were very fine and noble men. I have some really good Priest friends today, but I'm sad to say that some of the Priests away back in my very small days were pure dictators --- and, unfortunately, the Church is suffering today after years of that kind of "goings on" by some who were certainly not carrying out the Word of God as it should have been carried out by them. A big number of the young generation now are not going to Mass at all ---- again, unfortunately. I'll finish by telling you the true story of an old man in our own Parish who went to Confession one time. Let us say for the purpose of the story that his name was Jack Sullivan ----- though that was not his real name. In he went to the Confession box and slowly knelt down. The Priest, who I must say, was bit of an "odd-ball", pulled back the shutter and looked out. "You're Jack Sullivan, aren't you ?. "I am, Father", said old Jack slowly. "I hear that you have great spuds (=potatoes)", said the Priest. "Weeshia, I have, Father", replied Jack. "You might send me west a bag of them next week", said the Priest. "Alright so, Father", replied Jack. With that, the Priest started pulling back the shutter. While the shutter was about half-way across, Jack stuck in his nose, and said he: "And what about my sins, Father ?" "That's alright", said the Priest. "Send me west the bag of spuds next week" ---- and closed the shutter. And that was the end of Jack's Confession !!! ----- Riobard. On 15 January 2013 21:12, Dr. Dan Harrington <[email protected]>wrote: > Thank you Riobard from St. Lucia > > Dan Harrington > > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > *Hello, Beara folks all over the world, > > This is that man from Beara calling. > > His name is Riobard. I have awoken from what I thought would be a > fine, > > long rest from tormenting you all ---- and I hope to be taking that rest > > again soon. But I couldn't let Bill Gawne down. He is a man in a > > million, > > and has done magnificent and hard work keeping the Beara column going. > The > > column has been thin on the ground lately ---- and if that excellent > column > > for Beara people far and wide ever falls by the wayside, you and I will > be > > lamenting the fact ---- but it will then be too late. I hope as many as > can > > of you will make a big effort to help Bill by submitting an article now > and > > then. As long as it will be of some interest at all, in order to keep > > the > > column going for as long as possible for all our sakes, it will be very > > welcome. You don't have to be one of the top writers in the world. Just > be > > an ordinary one like myself ---- and we'll all get by. And what is more > > important, the Beara column will have a new lease of life. > > To help in getting the ball rolling again in a livelier fashion, I > will > > start tomorrow, in my own small way, by telling you what life was like > in > > my own small Village of Ardgroom in the Beara Peninsula in the days now > > long by when I was just a little fellow. > > 'Til then, very best wishes from > > Riobard. > > * > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:26:42 +0000 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BEARA] The Beara Column. To: [email protected] Message-ID: <1422238928[email protected]b1.c17.bise6.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" "The Borderline Ballroom, where Cork meets Kerry". I remember it well. Where in inward was the Protestant Church Riobard? Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry? -----Original Message----- From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 12:10:03 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BEARA] The Beara Column. Hello Folks, Been away for the past 9 or so days ---- Joan had an ankle broken in two places. I'll just have time for the moment to give you another episode of my Village when I was a small boy ---- and then forgive me for leaving you waiting until you hear from me again ---- didn't know that it was going to be like this when I started ---- but such is life. In my very young days, I remember my father and Tim (Dorohy) O'Sullivan building with their blocks the first parts of the walls of the Dance Hall in Ardgroom. Both, hard-working men, are long dead R.I.P. The Protestant Church in Ardgroom Inward was then a long time closed, so my father got the diamond windows of it. He built the roof of the Dance Hall himself. In those days the time for dancing was very short, and the Priests were dead against dancing at all. I remember as a lad of 10 years of age sitting in a seat in Ardgroom Church beside my father and mother, and listening to the Priest denouncing my father from the Altar for not closing his hall at 10 o'clock on a Sunday night !! The Priest came into the Hall another night, and spread out his hands, giving his signal to the crowd to get out. The Priest used ask people in the Confession Box if they were dancing in O'Dwyers' Hall the Sunday night before. Many of the local crowd were so much afraid of the Priest that they used be walking up and down the road outside the Dance Hall, afraid to go in. The Lauragh crowd, just across the boundary bridge in Co. Kerry, kept supporting us. They happened to be in a different Parish. I'm sorry to day that some of the Priests in those days had the "power" over the people then ---- and they certainly used and abused it. It was not until one day cycling to Castletownbere, my father came across the Priest out walking. My father jumped off the bicycle and said to the Priest: "May God forgive you, Father. You are taking the bread out of my childrens' mouths". From that day on, the Priest didn't interfere again. Even allowing for all that blackguarding by the Priest, my father and mother kept going to Mass, and always said the Rosary every night before going to bed. Not all Priests were like that. Some were very fine and noble men. I have some really good Priest friends today, but I'm sad to say that some of the Priests away back in my very small days were pure dictators --- and, unfortunately, the Church is suffering today after years of that kind of "goings on" by some who were certainly not carrying out the Word of God as it should have been carried out by them. A big number of the young generation now are not going to Mass at all ---- again, unfortunately. I'll finish by telling you the true story of an old man in our own Parish who went to Confession one time. Let us say for the purpose of the story that his name was Jack Sullivan ----- though that was not his real name. In he went to the Confession box and slowly knelt down. The Priest, who I must say, was bit of an "odd-ball", pulled back the shutter and looked out. "You're Jack Sullivan, aren't you ?. "I am, Father", said old Jack slowly. "I hear that you have great spuds (=potatoes)", said the Priest. "Weeshia, I have, Father", replied Jack. "You might send me west a bag of them next week", said the Priest. "Alright so, Father", replied Jack. With that, the Priest started pulling back the shutter. While the shutter was about half-way across, Jack stuck in his nose, and said he: "And what about my sins, Father ?" "That's alright", said the Priest. "Send me west the bag of spuds next week" ---- and closed the shutter. And that was the end of Jack's Confession !!! ----- Riobard. On 15 January 2013 21:12, Dr. Dan Harrington <[email protected]>wrote: > Thank you Riobard from St. Lucia > > Dan Harrington > > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > *Hello, Beara folks all over the world, > > This is that man from Beara calling. > > His name is Riobard. I have awoken from what I thought would be a > fine, > > long rest from tormenting you all ---- and I hope to be taking that rest > > again soon. But I couldn't let Bill Gawne down. He is a man in a > > million, > > and has done magnificent and hard work keeping the Beara column going. > The > > column has been thin on the ground lately ---- and if that excellent > column > > for Beara people far and wide ever falls by the wayside, you and I will > be > > lamenting the fact ---- but it will then be too late. I hope as many as > can > > of you will make a big effort to help Bill by submitting an article now > and > > then. As long as it will be of some interest at all, in order to keep > > the > > column going for as long as possible for all our sakes, it will be very > > welcome. You don't have to be one of the top writers in the world. Just > be > > an ordinary one like myself ---- and we'll all get by. And what is more > > important, the Beara column will have a new lease of life. > > To help in getting the ball rolling again in a livelier fashion, I > will > > start tomorrow, in my own small way, by telling you what life was like > in > > my own small Village of Ardgroom in the Beara Peninsula in the days now > > long by when I was just a little fellow. > > 'Til then, very best wishes from > > Riobard. > > * > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 07:07:41 -0800 (PST) From: pat oleary <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] The beginning of the story To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- On Wed, 1/16/13, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: From: Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> Subject: [BEARA] The beginning of the story To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 3:54 PM *???Just in from Bantry Hospital, and then to a (funeral) removal in Castletownbere, and we must head off to a Cork City Hospital very early tomorrow morning* ----? *Joan happened to fracture just above the ankle. But I had made you a promise that I would get my story started for you --- and I like to keep a promise, if I can at all. Time, unfortunately, forces me to begin only the beginning for the moment. *???Ardgroom Village in the Beara Peninsula lies in County Cork, but just over the County Kerry border. In it lived many, many years ago a small lad who his mother described as being a bit "arch" !! ---- and whose name was Riobard (O'Dwyer) ---- me. ???An example of this was:- When going to the Primary School at about 10 years of age, there happened to be another lad in my own class by the name of Vincie (Jer Denny) Harrington, about 10 years of age also. ???One day in class, the teacher was telling us that Our Lord died on the Cross, and was buried, but that He rose again after 3 days. Vincie and I decided that we would test out to see if Kate O'Hara's duck would be as powerful with those wonderful deeds as Our Lord. Kate O'Hara was an old lady who had a small shop in the Village, She had some ducks in her backyard. So Vincie and I took the "loan" of one of Kate O'Hara's ducks to try out a test if Kate O'Hara' duck would have the same power as Our Lord, as regards Our Lord's wonderful deeds. Off we went with the duck to a small field behind the Village; dug a big hole; and buried Kate O'Hara's duck in it. We waited for 3 days to see if the duck would then arise like Our Lord. But, when we arrived at the duck's "graveyard", and dug up the "grave" to see if? the duck was able to perform the same miracle as Our Lord did --- but, alas, the duck was still there as dead as the day we buried her. That certainly proved to us that Our Lord had far more power than Kate O'Hara's duck !!! ???More to follow, when I have the chance. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ---- Riobard ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:08:11 +0000 From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> Subject: [BEARA] When I was very young, To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 *In the olden days, when I was very young, dancing in our hall in Ardgroom Village was from 8pm to 10pm.* Even so, the Priest was against dancing at all. I remember at 10 years of age sitting beside my father and mother in Ardgroom Church, and listening to the Priest denouncing my father from the Altar because he wouldn't close his Dance Hall at 10 o'clock on a Sunday night. The Priest used ask people in Confession if they were dancing in our Hall the previous Sunday night. He used come into the Hall and spread our his hands to frighten out of the Hall the dancers in it. Many people were walking up and down outside the hall afraid of the Priest, who certainly both used and abused the "power" he was supposed to have. It was not until my father, when cycling to Castletownbere one day, met the Priest who was out walking. He jumped off his bike and said to the Priest: "May God forgive you Father. You are taking the bread out of my childrens' mouths". Through all the Priest's blackguarding, my father and mother kept going to Mass, and they always said the Rosary every night before they went to bed. I'm sorry to say that in those days, many Priests were just pure dictators. Times have now changed alot. People, and many of those of the younger generation don't go to Mass at all. Some Priests are doing the Church alot of damage. I'm glad that I have several good Priests among my friends T.G. When I have time some day again, I'll continue. ----- Riobard. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 19:38:10 +0000 From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] The Beara Column. To: [email protected], [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The Protestant Church was in the townland of Reenavaude, in Ardgroom Inward ---- almost beside the road going out to Ardgroom Village; beside what is now Donie Murphy's house, and before you come to Cumeendeach cross As far as I know, some parts of the walls are there still. ---- Riobard. On 26 January 2013 13:26, <[email protected]> wrote: > "The Borderline Ballroom, where Cork meets Kerry". I remember it well. > Where in inward was the Protestant Church Riobard? > Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry? > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 12:10:03 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BEARA] The Beara Column. > > Hello Folks, > Been away for the past 9 or so days ---- Joan had an ankle > broken in two places. I'll just have time for the moment to give you > another episode of my Village when I was a small boy ---- and then forgive > me for leaving you waiting until you hear from me again ---- didn't know > that it was going to be like this when I started ---- but such is life. > In my very young days, I remember my father and Tim > (Dorohy) O'Sullivan building with their blocks the first parts of the > walls > of the Dance Hall in Ardgroom. Both, hard-working men, are long dead > R.I.P. > The Protestant Church in Ardgroom Inward was then a long time closed, so > my > father got the diamond windows of it. He built the roof of the Dance Hall > himself. > In those days the time for dancing was very short, and the > Priests were dead against dancing at all. I remember as a lad of 10 years > of age sitting in a seat in Ardgroom Church beside my father and mother, > and listening to the Priest denouncing my father from the Altar for not > closing his hall at 10 o'clock on a Sunday night !! The Priest came into > the Hall another night, and spread out his hands, giving his signal to the > crowd to get out. The Priest used ask people in the Confession Box if they > were dancing in O'Dwyers' Hall the Sunday night before. Many of the local > crowd were so much afraid of the Priest that they used be walking up and > down the road outside the Dance Hall, afraid to go in. The Lauragh crowd, > just across the boundary bridge in Co. Kerry, kept supporting us. They > happened to be in a different Parish. I'm sorry to day that some of the > Priests in those days had the "power" over the people then ---- and they > certainly used and abused it. It was not until one day cycling to > Castletownbere, my father came across the Priest out walking. My father > jumped off the bicycle and said to the Priest: "May God forgive you, > Father. You are taking the bread out of my childrens' mouths". From that > day on, the Priest didn't interfere again. Even allowing for all that > blackguarding by the Priest, my father and mother kept going to Mass, and > always said the Rosary every night before going to bed. Not all Priests > were like that. Some were very fine and noble men. I have some really good > Priest friends today, but I'm sad to say that some of the Priests away > back > in my very small days were pure dictators --- and, unfortunately, the > Church is suffering today after years of that kind of "goings on" by some > who were certainly not carrying out the Word of God as it should have been > carried out by them. A big number of the young generation now are not > going > to Mass at all ---- again, unfortunately. > I'll finish by telling you the true story of an old man in our own > Parish who went to Confession one time. Let us say for the purpose of the > story that his name was Jack Sullivan ----- though that was not his real > name. In he went to the Confession box and slowly knelt down. The Priest, > who I must say, was bit of an "odd-ball", pulled back the shutter and > looked out. "You're Jack Sullivan, aren't you ?. "I am, Father", said old > Jack slowly. "I hear that you have great spuds (=potatoes)", said the > Priest. "Weeshia, I have, Father", replied Jack. "You might send me west a > bag of them next week", said the Priest. "Alright so, Father", replied > Jack. With that, the Priest started pulling back the shutter. While the > shutter was about half-way across, Jack stuck in his nose, and said he: > "And what about my sins, Father ?" "That's alright", said the Priest. > "Send > me west the bag of spuds next week" ---- and closed the shutter. And that > was the end of Jack's Confession !!! > ----- Riobard. > > > On 15 January 2013 21:12, Dr. Dan Harrington > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Thank you Riobard from St. Lucia > > > > Dan Harrington > > > > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Riobard O' Dwyer < > [email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > *Hello, Beara folks all over the world, > > > This is that man from Beara calling. > > > His name is Riobard. I have awoken from what I thought would be a > > fine, > > > long rest from tormenting you all ---- and I hope to be taking that > rest > > > again soon. But I couldn't let Bill Gawne down. He is a man in a > million, > > > and has done magnificent and hard work keeping the Beara column > > > going. > > The > > > column has been thin on the ground lately ---- and if that excellent > > column > > > for Beara people far and wide ever falls by the wayside, you and I > > > will > > be > > > lamenting the fact ---- but it will then be too late. I hope as many > > > as > > can > > > of you will make a big effort to help Bill by submitting an article > > > now > > and > > > then. As long as it will be of some interest at all, in order to keep > the > > > column going for as long as possible for all our sakes, it will be > > > very > > > welcome. You don't have to be one of the top writers in the world. > > > Just > > be > > > an ordinary one like myself ---- and we'll all get by. And what is > > > more > > > important, the Beara column will have a new lease of life. > > > To help in getting the ball rolling again in a livelier fashion, I > > will > > > start tomorrow, in my own small way, by telling you what life was > > > like > > in > > > my own small Village of Ardgroom in the Beara Peninsula in the days > > > now > > > long by when I was just a little fellow. > > > 'Til then, very best wishes from > > > Riobard. > > > * > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------ To contact the BEARA list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the BEARA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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Without prior notice, the Irish General Register Office (GRO) doubled their fees for long form birth, marriage, and death certificates from €10 to €20 plus postage effective January 23, 2013 see: http://www.groireland.ie/fees.htm Prior to the increase, the charge for all certificates cost €8, with a €2 fee for searching. The certificates affected are the 'long-form, full copy’ of the registered entry. Do not confuse the long forms with 'research' photocopies that most researchers prefer to buy from the GRO and cost only €4, with a €2 fee for searching. Due to the absence of an online facility via the GRO, many overseas researchers buy the full certificate via www.certificates.ie when possible. GRO (Roscommon or Dublin), the research copy cost €4 a shot, plus €2 if you couldn't provide the full reference number (found in the civil registration indexes). Due to inequities of local offices charging research fees for different amounts, the GRO has instructed the local registration offices to charge only the €4 fee when the reference is provided. Chuck Weinstein Bellport, NY [email protected]

"The Borderline Ballroom, where Cork meets Kerry". I remember it well. Where in inward was the Protestant Church Riobard? Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 12:10:03 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BEARA] The Beara Column. Hello Folks, Been away for the past 9 or so days ---- Joan had an ankle broken in two places. I'll just have time for the moment to give you another episode of my Village when I was a small boy ---- and then forgive me for leaving you waiting until you hear from me again ---- didn't know that it was going to be like this when I started ---- but such is life. In my very young days, I remember my father and Tim (Dorohy) O'Sullivan building with their blocks the first parts of the walls of the Dance Hall in Ardgroom. Both, hard-working men, are long dead R.I.P. The Protestant Church in Ardgroom Inward was then a long time closed, so my father got the diamond windows of it. He built the roof of the Dance Hall himself. In those days the time for dancing was very short, and the Priests were dead against dancing at all. I remember as a lad of 10 years of age sitting in a seat in Ardgroom Church beside my father and mother, and listening to the Priest denouncing my father from the Altar for not closing his hall at 10 o'clock on a Sunday night !! The Priest came into the Hall another night, and spread out his hands, giving his signal to the crowd to get out. The Priest used ask people in the Confession Box if they were dancing in O'Dwyers' Hall the Sunday night before. Many of the local crowd were so much afraid of the Priest that they used be walking up and down the road outside the Dance Hall, afraid to go in. The Lauragh crowd, just across the boundary bridge in Co. Kerry, kept supporting us. They happened to be in a different Parish. I'm sorry to day that some of the Priests in those days had the "power" over the people then ---- and they certainly used and abused it. It was not until one day cycling to Castletownbere, my father came across the Priest out walking. My father jumped off the bicycle and said to the Priest: "May God forgive you, Father. You are taking the bread out of my childrens' mouths". From that day on, the Priest didn't interfere again. Even allowing for all that blackguarding by the Priest, my father and mother kept going to Mass, and always said the Rosary every night before going to bed. Not all Priests were like that. Some were very fine and noble men. I have some really good Priest friends today, but I'm sad to say that some of the Priests away back in my very small days were pure dictators --- and, unfortunately, the Church is suffering today after years of that kind of "goings on" by some who were certainly not carrying out the Word of God as it should have been carried out by them. A big number of the young generation now are not going to Mass at all ---- again, unfortunately. I'll finish by telling you the true story of an old man in our own Parish who went to Confession one time. Let us say for the purpose of the story that his name was Jack Sullivan ----- though that was not his real name. In he went to the Confession box and slowly knelt down. The Priest, who I must say, was bit of an "odd-ball", pulled back the shutter and looked out. "You're Jack Sullivan, aren't you ?. "I am, Father", said old Jack slowly. "I hear that you have great spuds (=potatoes)", said the Priest. "Weeshia, I have, Father", replied Jack. "You might send me west a bag of them next week", said the Priest. "Alright so, Father", replied Jack. With that, the Priest started pulling back the shutter. While the shutter was about half-way across, Jack stuck in his nose, and said he: "And what about my sins, Father ?" "That's alright", said the Priest. "Send me west the bag of spuds next week" ---- and closed the shutter. And that was the end of Jack's Confession !!! ----- Riobard. On 15 January 2013 21:12, Dr. Dan Harrington <[email protected]>wrote: > Thank you Riobard from St. Lucia > > Dan Harrington > > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > *Hello, Beara folks all over the world, > > This is that man from Beara calling. > > His name is Riobard. I have awoken from what I thought would be a > fine, > > long rest from tormenting you all ---- and I hope to be taking that rest > > again soon. But I couldn't let Bill Gawne down. He is a man in a million, > > and has done magnificent and hard work keeping the Beara column going. > The > > column has been thin on the ground lately ---- and if that excellent > column > > for Beara people far and wide ever falls by the wayside, you and I will > be > > lamenting the fact ---- but it will then be too late. I hope as many as > can > > of you will make a big effort to help Bill by submitting an article now > and > > then. As long as it will be of some interest at all, in order to keep the > > column going for as long as possible for all our sakes, it will be very > > welcome. You don't have to be one of the top writers in the world. Just > be > > an ordinary one like myself ---- and we'll all get by. And what is more > > important, the Beara column will have a new lease of life. > > To help in getting the ball rolling again in a livelier fashion, I > will > > start tomorrow, in my own small way, by telling you what life was like > in > > my own small Village of Ardgroom in the Beara Peninsula in the days now > > long by when I was just a little fellow. > > 'Til then, very best wishes from > > Riobard. > > * > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am mostly a lurker on here as I am at a brick wall with my Beara line with nothing much to offer to the group but thoroughly enjoyed Riobard's reminiscing and it brought to mind my great grandfather's oft told story of his father's run in with the local priest in Ardgroom!! Wondering if anyone knows if there are any surviving pictures of the Protestant Church in Ardgroom...and/or is there a different protestant church that would have served Ardgroom Inward? My great grandfather was James Alyosius Sullivan and he was baptized in the Protestant church in September of 1851 along with the younger half of his many brother's and sisters...but the older few were baptized Catholic!! While the church records from the time of their baptisms and the marriage of their parents Patrick Sullivan and Honora Shea seem to have been lost to us I know this from an account in the family bible by the eldest of the siblings named Daniel Sullivan [born in 1835 baptized Catholic], and emigrated to Chicago where he was a stonemason by trade. His youngest brother William Sullivan [born 1858 and baptized Protestant] also emigrated to Chicago, where he worked at the landmark Water Tower as an engineer, backed up the family legend as follows: The family patriarch, Patrick Sullivan was the local school teacher in Ardgroom Inward. Sometime between 1835 and 1841 the local parish priest had a brother in need of a teaching position and as the priests controlled the schools my great great grandfather was put out of the job in favor of the priest's brother....and from that day forward the Patrick Sullivan family never set foot in the Catholic Church in Ardgroom Inward! [Though they must have secretly kept the faith because all but the very youngest William practiced Catholicism once they emigrated to the States!!] Griffith's valuations show too many Patrick Sullivan's for me to guess which one is "my" Patrick Sullivan and there is ironically more than one Sullivan family in the area listed as Protestant in the census of 1901 so I am now at by brick wall sadly. Any chance any one has another clue for me to follow I would welcome suggestions! Especially with James Alyosious Sullivan's in-laws Cornelius Shea and Katherine Sheehan who came to Connecticut in 1852 where his wife Mary Francis Shea was born in 1853. Sadly I have nothing to tell me where on Beara those two originated.... Suzanne Mahoney

Hello Folks, Been away for the past 9 or so days ---- Joan had an ankle broken in two places. I'll just have time for the moment to give you another episode of my Village when I was a small boy ---- and then forgive me for leaving you waiting until you hear from me again ---- didn't know that it was going to be like this when I started ---- but such is life. In my very young days, I remember my father and Tim (Dorohy) O'Sullivan building with their blocks the first parts of the walls of the Dance Hall in Ardgroom. Both, hard-working men, are long dead R.I.P. The Protestant Church in Ardgroom Inward was then a long time closed, so my father got the diamond windows of it. He built the roof of the Dance Hall himself. In those days the time for dancing was very short, and the Priests were dead against dancing at all. I remember as a lad of 10 years of age sitting in a seat in Ardgroom Church beside my father and mother, and listening to the Priest denouncing my father from the Altar for not closing his hall at 10 o'clock on a Sunday night !! The Priest came into the Hall another night, and spread out his hands, giving his signal to the crowd to get out. The Priest used ask people in the Confession Box if they were dancing in O'Dwyers' Hall the Sunday night before. Many of the local crowd were so much afraid of the Priest that they used be walking up and down the road outside the Dance Hall, afraid to go in. The Lauragh crowd, just across the boundary bridge in Co. Kerry, kept supporting us. They happened to be in a different Parish. I'm sorry to day that some of the Priests in those days had the "power" over the people then ---- and they certainly used and abused it. It was not until one day cycling to Castletownbere, my father came across the Priest out walking. My father jumped off the bicycle and said to the Priest: "May God forgive you, Father. You are taking the bread out of my childrens' mouths". From that day on, the Priest didn't interfere again. Even allowing for all that blackguarding by the Priest, my father and mother kept going to Mass, and always said the Rosary every night before going to bed. Not all Priests were like that. Some were very fine and noble men. I have some really good Priest friends today, but I'm sad to say that some of the Priests away back in my very small days were pure dictators --- and, unfortunately, the Church is suffering today after years of that kind of "goings on" by some who were certainly not carrying out the Word of God as it should have been carried out by them. A big number of the young generation now are not going to Mass at all ---- again, unfortunately. I'll finish by telling you the true story of an old man in our own Parish who went to Confession one time. Let us say for the purpose of the story that his name was Jack Sullivan ----- though that was not his real name. In he went to the Confession box and slowly knelt down. The Priest, who I must say, was bit of an "odd-ball", pulled back the shutter and looked out. "You're Jack Sullivan, aren't you ?. "I am, Father", said old Jack slowly. "I hear that you have great spuds (=potatoes)", said the Priest. "Weeshia, I have, Father", replied Jack. "You might send me west a bag of them next week", said the Priest. "Alright so, Father", replied Jack. With that, the Priest started pulling back the shutter. While the shutter was about half-way across, Jack stuck in his nose, and said he: "And what about my sins, Father ?" "That's alright", said the Priest. "Send me west the bag of spuds next week" ---- and closed the shutter. And that was the end of Jack's Confession !!! ----- Riobard. On 15 January 2013 21:12, Dr. Dan Harrington <[email protected]>wrote: > Thank you Riobard from St. Lucia > > Dan Harrington > > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > *Hello, Beara folks all over the world, > > This is that man from Beara calling. > > His name is Riobard. I have awoken from what I thought would be a > fine, > > long rest from tormenting you all ---- and I hope to be taking that rest > > again soon. But I couldn't let Bill Gawne down. He is a man in a million, > > and has done magnificent and hard work keeping the Beara column going. > The > > column has been thin on the ground lately ---- and if that excellent > column > > for Beara people far and wide ever falls by the wayside, you and I will > be > > lamenting the fact ---- but it will then be too late. I hope as many as > can > > of you will make a big effort to help Bill by submitting an article now > and > > then. As long as it will be of some interest at all, in order to keep the > > column going for as long as possible for all our sakes, it will be very > > welcome. You don't have to be one of the top writers in the world. Just > be > > an ordinary one like myself ---- and we'll all get by. And what is more > > important, the Beara column will have a new lease of life. > > To help in getting the ball rolling again in a livelier fashion, I > will > > start tomorrow, in my own small way, by telling you what life was like > in > > my own small Village of Ardgroom in the Beara Peninsula in the days now > > long by when I was just a little fellow. > > 'Til then, very best wishes from > > Riobard. > > * > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)*

--- On Wed, 1/16/13, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: From: Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> Subject: [BEARA] The beginning of the story To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 3:54 PM *   Just in from Bantry Hospital, and then to a (funeral) removal in Castletownbere, and we must head off to a Cork City Hospital very early tomorrow morning* ----  *Joan happened to fracture just above the ankle. But I had made you a promise that I would get my story started for you --- and I like to keep a promise, if I can at all. Time, unfortunately, forces me to begin only the beginning for the moment. *   Ardgroom Village in the Beara Peninsula lies in County Cork, but just over the County Kerry border. In it lived many, many years ago a small lad who his mother described as being a bit "arch" !! ---- and whose name was Riobard (O'Dwyer) ---- me.    An example of this was:- When going to the Primary School at about 10 years of age, there happened to be another lad in my own class by the name of Vincie (Jer Denny) Harrington, about 10 years of age also.    One day in class, the teacher was telling us that Our Lord died on the Cross, and was buried, but that He rose again after 3 days. Vincie and I decided that we would test out to see if Kate O'Hara's duck would be as powerful with those wonderful deeds as Our Lord. Kate O'Hara was an old lady who had a small shop in the Village, She had some ducks in her backyard. So Vincie and I took the "loan" of one of Kate O'Hara's ducks to try out a test if Kate O'Hara' duck would have the same power as Our Lord, as regards Our Lord's wonderful deeds. Off we went with the duck to a small field behind the Village; dug a big hole; and buried Kate O'Hara's duck in it. We waited for 3 days to see if the duck would then arise like Our Lord. But, when we arrived at the duck's "graveyard", and dug up the "grave" to see if  the duck was able to perform the same miracle as Our Lord did --- but, alas, the duck was still there as dead as the day we buried her. That certainly proved to us that Our Lord had far more power than Kate O'Hara's duck !!!    More to follow, when I have the chance.                       ---- Riobard ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you! Sent from my iPad On Jan 25, 2013, at 6:44 PM, "Ann Chilton" <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you Bill, I hope everyone finds this as useful as I did. > > Ann xx > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Gawne" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 11:30 PM > Subject: [BEARA] Keeping track of degrees of kindred > > >> Dear friends of Beara, >> >> Our friend Ann Chilton shared an image file that Rootsweb quarantined >> and wouldn't allow her to post to the mailing list. Of course, >> Rootsweb does this with all attachments, so it's not singling Ann out >> for special treatment. Fortunately, I was able to obtain the file >> from her and post it to our little Beara's Children blog, where you >> can find it now. >> >> http://bearaschildren.blogspot.com/2013/01/keeping-track-of-degrees-of-kindred.html >> >> I also found an even larger chart, with even more degrees of kindred >> listed, which I posted under Ann's contribution. You should be able >> to save both images to your computers for future use, should you so >> wish. Or you can always just come back and look at the blog post. It >> shouldn't be going anywhere for a while. >> >> -- Bill >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Bill, I hope everyone finds this as useful as I did. Ann xx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Gawne" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 11:30 PM Subject: [BEARA] Keeping track of degrees of kindred > Dear friends of Beara, > > Our friend Ann Chilton shared an image file that Rootsweb quarantined > and wouldn't allow her to post to the mailing list. Of course, > Rootsweb does this with all attachments, so it's not singling Ann out > for special treatment. Fortunately, I was able to obtain the file > from her and post it to our little Beara's Children blog, where you > can find it now. > > http://bearaschildren.blogspot.com/2013/01/keeping-track-of-degrees-of-kindred.html > > I also found an even larger chart, with even more degrees of kindred > listed, which I posted under Ann's contribution. You should be able > to save both images to your computers for future use, should you so > wish. Or you can always just come back and look at the blog post. It > shouldn't be going anywhere for a while. > > -- Bill > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Dear friends of Beara, Our friend Ann Chilton shared an image file that Rootsweb quarantined and wouldn't allow her to post to the mailing list. Of course, Rootsweb does this with all attachments, so it's not singling Ann out for special treatment. Fortunately, I was able to obtain the file from her and post it to our little Beara's Children blog, where you can find it now. http://bearaschildren.blogspot.com/2013/01/keeping-track-of-degrees-of-kindred.html I also found an even larger chart, with even more degrees of kindred listed, which I posted under Ann's contribution. You should be able to save both images to your computers for future use, should you so wish. Or you can always just come back and look at the blog post. It shouldn't be going anywhere for a while. -- Bill

Bill, thank you for the very interesting links! María Teresa 2013/1/25 Bill Gawne <[email protected]> > Hi Dan, all, > > It's not impossible that a 16 year old girl would be a bride in 1867, > but it's a bit unusual. My great-grandmother, Mary Holland, married > when she was 22. I think that's a more typical age for women to be > entering into marriages, somewhere in their early 20s. > > Since it's sometimes better to look at actual research rather than > just pontificating, I've looked around online. You can see in > > http://multitext.ucc.ie/d/Ireland_society_and_economy_1815ndash1870 > > and > > http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/2262/4266/1/jssisiVolXVIXPart4_82103.pdf > > that the average age for tinker girls (the daughters of the traveling > people) was about 20, and for girls in families that had established > farms it was more like 22 at the time of the Great Famine, increasing > to ~25 as you go out to 1870. Men tended to marry at much older ages, > typically in their 40s. > > I didn't find a specific reference for Beara, and it's possible the > numbers were a bit different in Beara due to its isolation from the > rest of Ireland, though I suspect the average age at marriage was > about the same in Beara as elsewhere in Ireland. > > The other thing to remember in any discussion of Irish womens' ages is > that our ancestresses exercised the "woman's privilege" of claiming an > age not in strict agreement with the calendar. So a girl of 20 > summers might have only claimed 16 of them when she went to the altar. > > I hope that helps. > > Bill Gawne > > Dan Harrington <[email protected]> writes: > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > Would a 16 year old girl/woman, who married in Ireland in 1867, be around > > the average age to marry at that time ? Birth records indicate that she > > wasn't pregnant. Her first recorded child was born a year later. > > > > If not, what was norm for that time period to marry? Sixteen is such a > > young age? Different times, different way of life. > > > > Thanks, > > Dan Harrington > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Dan, all, It's not impossible that a 16 year old girl would be a bride in 1867, but it's a bit unusual. My great-grandmother, Mary Holland, married when she was 22. I think that's a more typical age for women to be entering into marriages, somewhere in their early 20s. Since it's sometimes better to look at actual research rather than just pontificating, I've looked around online. You can see in http://multitext.ucc.ie/d/Ireland_society_and_economy_1815ndash1870 and http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/2262/4266/1/jssisiVolXVIXPart4_82103.pdf that the average age for tinker girls (the daughters of the traveling people) was about 20, and for girls in families that had established farms it was more like 22 at the time of the Great Famine, increasing to ~25 as you go out to 1870. Men tended to marry at much older ages, typically in their 40s. I didn't find a specific reference for Beara, and it's possible the numbers were a bit different in Beara due to its isolation from the rest of Ireland, though I suspect the average age at marriage was about the same in Beara as elsewhere in Ireland. The other thing to remember in any discussion of Irish womens' ages is that our ancestresses exercised the "woman's privilege" of claiming an age not in strict agreement with the calendar. So a girl of 20 summers might have only claimed 16 of them when she went to the altar. I hope that helps. Bill Gawne Dan Harrington <[email protected]> writes: > Hello Everyone, > > Would a 16 year old girl/woman, who married in Ireland in 1867, be around > the average age to marry at that time ? Birth records indicate that she > wasn't pregnant. Her first recorded child was born a year later. > > If not, what was norm for that time period to marry? Sixteen is such a > young age? Different times, different way of life. > > Thanks, > Dan Harrington

Hello Everyone, Would a 16 year old girl/woman, who married in Ireland in 1867, be around the average age to marry at that time ? Birth records indicate that she wasn't pregnant. Her first recorded child was born a year later. If not, what was norm for that time period to marry? Sixteen is such a young age? Different times, different way of life. Thanks, Dan Harrington

Apparently my great great grandmother Sally Stack was 16 when she married Pat McKenna age 30 in Listowel, Kerry c. 1832...they had about 14 children that I know of...before moving to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan c. 1862. /Susan On Jan 25, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Dan Harrington wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Would a 16 year old girl/woman, who married in Ireland in 1867, be around > the average age to marry at that time ? Birth records indicate that she > wasn't pregnant. Her first recorded child was born a year later. > > If not, what was norm for that time period to marry? Sixteen is such a > young age? Different times, different way of life. > > Thanks, > Dan Harrington > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We just had the hottest day on record in Sydney - 46.4 C. NOT NICE!! Four days before that I was in the mountains (about 400km from Sydney) where it was 44 degrees one day, then we had 100 k/h wind gusts and sleet and a mximum of 9 degrees the next day. My wardrobe is very confused. Cheers Robyn - in a much milder Sydney, at 29 degrees. On 24/01/2013, Bill Gawne <[email protected]> wrote: > Ann Chilton <[email protected]> writes: > >> Talking of >> chill factor, we haven't been above freezing for nearly two weeks now >> here >> in Oxfordshire, England, so any warmth you can spare would be welcome - >> getting fed up with it now no matter how 'pretty' it is !! > > While we're having the coldest weather of the winter so far here in > Maryland, I note that my siblings out in Arizona are enjoying some > balmy weather. It's 72 F in Avondale, where my sister Maureen lives. > In Tucson, my brother Patrick is basking in 81 F comfort. So it's a > grand day in Arizona, where some of the Beara immigrants once went to > dig copper from the ground. True, the summers are fierce, but the > winters are much milder than those in Butte, Montana. > > Anyone want to check in with a weather report from Australia or New > Zealand? > > -- Bill > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Jim! Yes, Henry and I would be 2nd cousins. My grandmother, Frances Moriarty and his mother, Julia Moriarty were sisters, I think that is how it goes. John O'Sullivan would have then been my 2nd cousin, I believe. I went to Bere Island back in 1993 and spent a week there visiting with John and Bernie. My father, Dennis Lowney went there at least 6 times. He loved it there and of course the highlight was always hanging out with John. He was such a wonderful guy and what a sense of humor he had as you know. I regret that I never went back to see him before his passing. My father thought the world of John too. Thank you. Take care, Debbie Lowney Perelli Deborah L. Perelli Legal Assistant McElroy, Deutsch, Mulvaney & Carpenter, LLP One Financial Center, 655 Atlantic Avenue, 15th Floor | Boston, MA 02111 [email protected] p: (617) 748-5538 f: (617) 748-5555 http://www.mdmc-law.com New Jersey | New York | Colorado | Pennsylvania | Connecticut | Massachusetts | Delaware THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL USE OF THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENTS NAMED ABOVE. This message may be an attorney-client communication, and as such is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail message or by telephone and delete the original message from your e-mail system and/or computer database. Circular 230 requires that we notify you that, in the absence of written advice that strictly complies with such rules, you cannot rely on advice given to you relating to any Internal Revenue Code matter for protection against a tax penalty. This notice is neither intended to be used for the purpose of avoiding any tax penalty nor can it be relied on in support of any marketed transaction. It is our intention to continue to deliver the highest quality services to you and in a cost efficient manner. Please call us if you have any questions about how the Circular may affect our representation of you. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BEARA] bere Island Hi Debbie, you and Ann are both right. The post office that your cousin and my good friend John took over from his Mom Julia was the main post office the other I believe was mostly to accomodate the military. It was used for telegrams and telephone,also in Ireland they use the postoffice as a savings bank A couple of years ago they were going to shut down the post office on the Island, which would be a disaster for the old people,anyway they organised a worldwide petition through the internet to keep it open and it worked. I don't know if you realize it but you and Henry from Oklahoma are related Keep warm, Jim On 01/23/13, Perelli, Deborah<[email protected]> wrote: I just know of one post office on the Island located next to the church which use to be run by my cousin, John O'Sullivan. By the way, it is 12 degrees here in Boston, but will be warming up to 19 degrees tomorrow! Deborah L. Perelli Legal Assistant McElroy, Deutsch, Mulvaney & Carpenter, LLP One Financial Center, 655 Atlantic Avenue, 15th Floor | Boston, MA 02111 [1][email protected] p: (617) 748-5538 f: (617) 748-5555 [2]http://www.mdmc-law.com New Jersey | New York | Colorado | Pennsylvania | Connecticut | Massachusetts | Delaware THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL USE OF THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENTS NAMED ABOVE. This message may be an attorney-client communication, and as such is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail message or by telephone and delete the original message from your e-mail system and/or computer database. Circular 230 requires that we notify you that, in the absence of written advice that strictly complies with such rules, you cannot rely on advice given to you relating to any Internal Revenue Code matter for protection against a tax penalty. This notice is neither intended to be used for the purpose of avoiding any tax penalty nor can it be relied on in support of any marketed transaction. It is our intention to continue to deliver the highest quality services to you and in a cost efficient manner. Please call us if you have any questions about how the Circular may affect our representation of you. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From:[3][email protected][[4]mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ann Chilton Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 2:34 PM To: [5][email protected] Subject: Re: [BEARA] bere Island Hi Henry, Jim et al (again), Not to be telling my olders and betters, but there used to be two Post Offices on Bere Island in 'my time'. One in the village run by 'Aunt Sis' - Mary Donegan later Sugg and the one you are both referring to next to the Church in Ballynakilla. Of course, there is only the one now which is incorporated into Murphy's Store in the village (Rerrin). Come on, someone else add something or correct the pair of us. Talking of chill factor, we haven't been above freezing for nearly two weeks now here in Oxfordshire, England, so any warmth you can spare would be welcome - getting fed up with it now no matter how 'pretty' it is !! Regards to all - Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: <[6][email protected]> To: <[7][email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] bere Island > > Hi Henry,Mary O'Dwyer married Patrick Moriarty in Greenane,they were our > nextdoor neighbors. Their daughter Julia was the post mistress and a > wonderful person as was her son John who passed away last year. The post > office was beside the Church but is no longer at that location. > There was only one Mahony family on the Island during my time > there.There is > no one there now. It was a huge family ,I know some went to Rochester > N.y. > and some went to England > Henry could you blow some warm our way in Boston, we have a chill factor > below zero today > Take care Jim. > > > On 01/23/13, Henry Wheeler<[8][email protected]> wrote: > > Many thanks to Jim and the others. My ancestors came from Bere Island, I > have been waiting ten years to hear anything about the island!! Patrick > Michael O'Dwyer came over in 1876 and a little after that Michael > Mahoney, > they lived in Kansas City, Missouri. Cousin Mahoney worked his way up to > become Fire Chief of Kansas City. > Cousin Julia Moriarty O'Sullivan was Post Mistress for many years. 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Hi Debbie, now you've alerted my nosiness. There were two Lowney families in Greenane.I rememberJim Bill, Mick and Con but I dont remember any Dennis so you must belong to the other.I only knew Mrs O'Brien from that family. She had a grandson Brian Oliver,I knew him as a kid but lost track over the years. I communicate with Terence -(john's brother who lives in glengarriff) occasionally. He is a nice guy full of devilment but not as solid as John. Take care, Jim. On 01/24/13, Perelli, Deborah<[email protected]> wrote: Hi Jim! Yes, Henry and I would be 2nd cousins. My grandmother, Frances Moriarty and his mother, Julia Moriarty were sisters, I think that is how it goes. John O'Sullivan would have then been my 2nd cousin, I believe. I went to Bere Island back in 1993 and spent a week there visiting with John and Bernie. My father, Dennis Lowney went there at least 6 times. He loved it there and of course the highlight was always hanging out with John. He was such a wonderful guy and what a sense of humor he had as you know. I regret that I never went back to see him before his passing. My father thought the world of John too. Thank you. Take care, Debbie Lowney Perelli Deborah L. Perelli Legal Assistant McElroy, Deutsch, Mulvaney & Carpenter, LLP One Financial Center, 655 Atlantic Avenue, 15th Floor | Boston, MA 02111 [1][email protected] p: (617) 748-5538 f: (617) 748-5555 [2]http://www.mdmc-law.com New Jersey | New York | Colorado | Pennsylvania | Connecticut | Massachusetts | Delaware THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL USE OF THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENTS NAMED ABOVE. This message may be an attorney-client communication, and as such is privileged and confidential. 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Please call us if you have any questions about how the Circular may affect our representation of you. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From:[3][email protected][[4]mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [5][email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:53 AM To: [6][email protected] Subject: Re: [BEARA] bere Island Hi Debbie, you and Ann are both right. The post office that your cousin and my good friend John took over from his Mom Julia was the main post office the other I believe was mostly to accomodate the military. It was used for telegrams and telephone,also in Ireland they use the postoffice as a savings bank A couple of years ago they were going to shut down the post office on the Island, which would be a disaster for the old people,anyway they organised a worldwide petition through the internet to keep it open and it worked. I don't know if you realize it but you and Henry from Oklahoma are related Keep warm, Jim On 01/23/13, Perelli, Deborah<[7][email protected]> wrote: I just know of one post office on the Island located next to the church which use to be run by my cousin, John O'Sullivan. By the way, it is 12 degrees here in Boston, but will be warming up to 19 degrees tomorrow! Deborah L. Perelli Legal Assistant McElroy, Deutsch, Mulvaney & Carpenter, LLP One Financial Center, 655 Atlantic Avenue, 15th Floor | Boston, MA 02111 [1][8][email protected] p: (617) 748-5538 f: (617) 748-5555 [2][9]http://www.mdmc-law.com New Jersey | New York | Colorado | Pennsylvania | Connecticut | Massachusetts | Delaware THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL USE OF THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENTS NAMED ABOVE. This message may be an attorney-client communication, and as such is privileged and confidential. 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Please call us if you have any questions about how the Circular may affect our representation of you. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From:[3][10][email protected][[4][11]mailto:[email protected] com] On Behalf Of Ann Chilton Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 2:34 PM To: [5][12][email protected] Subject: Re: [BEARA] bere Island Hi Henry, Jim et al (again), Not to be telling my olders and betters, but there used to be two Post Offices on Bere Island in 'my time'. One in the village run by 'Aunt Sis' - Mary Donegan later Sugg and the one you are both referring to next to the Church in Ballynakilla. Of course, there is only the one now which is incorporated into Murphy's Store in the village (Rerrin). Come on, someone else add something or correct the pair of us. Talking of chill factor, we haven't been above freezing for nearly two weeks now here in Oxfordshire, England, so any warmth you can spare would be welcome - getting fed up with it now no matter how 'pretty' it is !! Regards to all - Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: <[6][13][email protected]> To: <[7][14][email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] bere Island > > Hi Henry,Mary O'Dwyer married Patrick Moriarty in Greenane,they were our > nextdoor neighbors. Their daughter Julia was the post mistress and a > wonderful person as was her son John who passed away last year. The post > office was beside the Church but is no longer at that location. > There was only one Mahony family on the Island during my time > there.There is > no one there now. It was a huge family ,I know some went to Rochester > N.y. > and some went to England > Henry could you blow some warm our way in Boston, we have a chill factor > below zero today > Take care Jim. > > > On 01/23/13, Henry Wheeler<[8][15][email protected]> wrote: > > Many thanks to Jim and the others. My ancestors came from Bere Island, I > have been waiting ten years to hear anything about the island!! Patrick > Michael O'Dwyer came over in 1876 and a little after that Michael > Mahoney, > they lived in Kansas City, Missouri. Cousin Mahoney worked his way up to > become Fire Chief of Kansas City. > Cousin Julia Moriarty O'Sullivan was Post Mistress for many years. 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Hi Debbie, you and Ann are both right. The post office that your cousin and my good friend John took over from his Mom Julia was the main post office the other I believe was mostly to accomodate the military. It was used for telegrams and telephone,also in Ireland they use the postoffice as a savings bank A couple of years ago they were going to shut down the post office on the Island, which would be a disaster for the old people,anyway they organised a worldwide petition through the internet to keep it open and it worked. I don't know if you realize it but you and Henry from Oklahoma are related Keep warm, Jim On 01/23/13, Perelli, Deborah<[email protected]> wrote: I just know of one post office on the Island located next to the church which use to be run by my cousin, John O'Sullivan. By the way, it is 12 degrees here in Boston, but will be warming up to 19 degrees tomorrow! Deborah L. Perelli Legal Assistant McElroy, Deutsch, Mulvaney & Carpenter, LLP One Financial Center, 655 Atlantic Avenue, 15th Floor | Boston, MA 02111 [1][email protected] p: (617) 748-5538 f: (617) 748-5555 [2]http://www.mdmc-law.com New Jersey | New York | Colorado | Pennsylvania | Connecticut | Massachusetts | Delaware THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL USE OF THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENTS NAMED ABOVE. This message may be an attorney-client communication, and as such is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail message or by telephone and delete the original message from your e-mail system and/or computer database. 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Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From:[3][email protected][[4]mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ann Chilton Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 2:34 PM To: [5][email protected] Subject: Re: [BEARA] bere Island Hi Henry, Jim et al (again), Not to be telling my olders and betters, but there used to be two Post Offices on Bere Island in 'my time'. One in the village run by 'Aunt Sis' - Mary Donegan later Sugg and the one you are both referring to next to the Church in Ballynakilla. Of course, there is only the one now which is incorporated into Murphy's Store in the village (Rerrin). Come on, someone else add something or correct the pair of us. Talking of chill factor, we haven't been above freezing for nearly two weeks now here in Oxfordshire, England, so any warmth you can spare would be welcome - getting fed up with it now no matter how 'pretty' it is !! Regards to all - Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: <[6][email protected]> To: <[7][email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [BEARA] bere Island > > Hi Henry,Mary O'Dwyer married Patrick Moriarty in Greenane,they were our > nextdoor neighbors. Their daughter Julia was the post mistress and a > wonderful person as was her son John who passed away last year. The post > office was beside the Church but is no longer at that location. > There was only one Mahony family on the Island during my time > there.There is > no one there now. It was a huge family ,I know some went to Rochester > N.y. > and some went to England > Henry could you blow some warm our way in Boston, we have a chill factor > below zero today > Take care Jim. > > > On 01/23/13, Henry Wheeler<[8][email protected]> wrote: > > Many thanks to Jim and the others. My ancestors came from Bere Island, I > have been waiting ten years to hear anything about the island!! Patrick > Michael O'Dwyer came over in 1876 and a little after that Michael > Mahoney, > they lived in Kansas City, Missouri. Cousin Mahoney worked his way up to > become Fire Chief of Kansas City. > Cousin Julia Moriarty O'Sullivan was Post Mistress for many years. 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Hate to brag, but it is forecast to be -18 here tonight. -----Original Message----- From: Robyn Horan <[email protected]> To: beara <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:55 pm Subject: Re: [BEARA] Warming things up We just had the hottest day on record in Sydney - 46.4 C. NOT NICE!! Four days before that I was in the mountains (about 400km from Sydney) where it was 44 degrees one day, then we had 100 k/h wind gusts and sleet and a mximum of 9 degrees the next day. My wardrobe is very confused. Cheers Robyn - in a much milder Sydney, at 29 degrees. On 24/01/2013, Bill Gawne <[email protected]> wrote: > Ann Chilton <[email protected]> writes: > >> Talking of >> chill factor, we haven't been above freezing for nearly two weeks now >> here >> in Oxfordshire, England, so any warmth you can spare would be welcome - >> getting fed up with it now no matter how 'pretty' it is !! > > While we're having the coldest weather of the winter so far here in > Maryland, I note that my siblings out in Arizona are enjoying some > balmy weather. It's 72 F in Avondale, where my sister Maureen lives. > In Tucson, my brother Patrick is basking in 81 F comfort. So it's a > grand day in Arizona, where some of the Beara immigrants once went to > dig copper from the ground. True, the summers are fierce, but the > winters are much milder than those in Butte, Montana. > > Anyone want to check in with a weather report from Australia or New > Zealand? > > -- Bill > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I want to thank all of you who contribute to the Beara list that I enjoy and have little to contribute because I have only been to Ireland once when we stayed at Bantry house for two nights and took a ride through Adrigole and then over the mountains to Kenmare on our trip from Dublin and down around Cork, up to Donegal and then across to Eyerecourt and Clonfort. And back to Dublin. I have Great grandparents who lived in Beara, Clonfort, Eyrecourt and Donegal and also from Cork area. If anyone on the list has connections to my ancestors I would love to share info from this side of the pond where I live in Connecticut an hour and a half from Boston. My great grandparents from Beara are: Thomas Harrington from Drombohilly, County Kerry near Tuosist . His parents were John Harrington b. 1815 and Ellen Sullivan of Drombohilly. He was Married to Mary Connelly b.in Crooha, County Cork, daughter of Daniel Connelly and Ellen Sullivan. I would love to know what the branch names are for my Sullivan and Harringtons. Please know that I appreciate all of the stories, resources that are shared and information about my ancestors that I see on the Beara website and wish that I had the wonderful experiences that those of you who have lived there share. Riobard's work is a gift to all of us that is enhanced by the people who contribute to this list. I can't wait for NEGHS to have Riobard's work available. Thank you, thank you, thank you! Ruth Bortolan Sent from my iPad On Jan 23, 2013, at 11:57 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Hi Henry,Mary O'Dwyer married Patrick Moriarty in Greenane,they were our > nextdoor neighbors. Their daughter Julia was the post mistress and a > wonderful person as was her son John who passed away last year. The post > office was beside the Church but is no longer at that location. > There was only one Mahony family on the Island during my time there.There is > no one there now. It was a huge family ,I know some went to Rochester N.y. > and some went to England > Henry could you blow some warm our way in Boston, we have a chill factor > below zero today > Take care Jim. > > > On 01/23/13, Henry Wheeler<[email protected]> wrote: > > Many thanks to Jim and the others. My ancestors came from Bere Island, I > have been waiting ten years to hear anything about the island!! Patrick > Michael O'Dwyer came over in 1876 and a little after that Michael Mahoney, > they lived in Kansas City, Missouri. Cousin Mahoney worked his way up to > become Fire Chief of Kansas City. > Cousin Julia Moriarty O'Sullivan was Post Mistress for many years. I > understand the little post office was just about next to the church. > Henry Wheeler Muskogee, Oklahoma > ____________________________________________________________ > Woman is 57 But Looks 27 > Mom publishes simple facelift trick that angered doctors... > [1]http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/51000dba9e119dba055bst04vuc > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [2][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > References > > 1. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/51000dba9e119dba055bst04vuc > 2. mailto:[email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message