My famliy links are with the Sullivan (Keagh) On 25/03/2013 17:09, Teresa Barnes wrote: > Teresa, > Just out of curiosity which Sullivan branch are you from. The Hollands of > Kilmackowen went to O'Neil Nebraska. One brother Michael stayed there and > the other went on to Colorado. The Hollands I refer to were the sons of > Mary Sullivan (Suonish) Holland. As family seemed to follow other > relations, thought it might be worth a shot. > Is anyone out there on the Beara list part of the Suonish clan? > Best Wishes > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:12 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BEARA] branch names vs place names > > All this talk about branch names brings to mind my parents conversations as > I grew up. There was Jim's John and Patsy Tim's John and John Red's > John----Jim's Tim, John Red's Tim, Patsy Tim's Tim and Eugene's Tim. etc > etc. > Since everyone used the same first names for their kids, this was the way > to keep them all separate. > > Several years ago I realized that John Red had a brother Paul that came > from Ireland and John Red settled here close to Lincoln and Paul settled in > O'Neill. I followed Paul's children and then I contacted some of Paul's > descendants in Omaha and asked if they would like to meet their local > cousins. > They pulled up in my driveway and I was then sure that they were John > Red's kin because they all had bright red hair. Unfortunately neither side > seemed to want to keep in contact and so I gave up on the research for this > family. > > Teresa Sullivan Lincoln Ne > > > In a message dated 3/24/2013 12:17:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Seamus, place names and branch names are as different as chalk and cheese. > Place names would cover the various townlands, or local areas in which > people live. Branch names for instance show the various ways in which, let > us say, take Sullivans/O'Sullivans are differentiated from one another > ----- like Sullivan(Suonish), Sullivan(Rochtirre), Sullivan(Master), > Sullivan(Tailor), Sullivan(Dorohy), Sullivan(Rider), etc., etc., etc. > ----- Riobard. > > On 24 March 2013 16:27, seamus O'More <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Riobard my friend,Place names vs branch names are they the same? How >> important are they to remember and keep. I put my Mom's O'Sullivan > families >> branch name on her death cert. It was hard to find and in this way their >> name would be remembered as long as someone was researching her life.God > be >> with youSeamus >> >> --- On Sat, 3/23/13, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From: Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Saturday, March 23, 2013, 5:19 AM >> >> In answer to Terrance's question: "Is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane ?" > The >> answer is "No". Tradition has it that this section of McCarthys in Beara >> came originally from the district of Carrigrohane, which is very close to >> Cork City. The surname McCarthy in Gaelic, Mac Carthaigh, means son of >> Carthach {Mac in Gaelic means SON]. Carthach, from whom the name >> originated, was King of Cashel [Co. Tipperary] around 1040 A.D. >> ----- Riobard. >> >> On 23 March 2013 01:25, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >>> >>> AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is > very >>> puzzling: >> > see page 1145 volume II >>> MCCARTHY (WEAVER) >> > >>> (BALLYCROVANE) >>> >>> Back in the 1840’s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy >>> Rohane. Denis went “cliamhain isteach” to a small part of the Hanley > farm >>> when he married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. >>> Timothy Rohane married Catherine O’Sullivan. They were parents of > Denny >>> (the Weaver) McCarthy. >>> >>> >> > >>> The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of >> Timothy >>> Rohane and Catherine O’Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> GRMMA, >>> >> > >>> Terrance O’Dwyer >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> -- >> *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > >

One more Holland---The C and H Mine in Calumet Michigan had an employee Daniel Holland employee #133 began work there in 1866 born in Ireland in 1835 and was married. Died April 8, 1904 with stomach cancer. Had 4 children. Teresa Sullivan In a message dated 3/25/2013 12:11:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Teresa, Just out of curiosity which Sullivan branch are you from. The Hollands of Kilmackowen went to O'Neil Nebraska. One brother Michael stayed there and the other went on to Colorado. The Hollands I refer to were the sons of Mary Sullivan (Suonish) Holland. As family seemed to follow other relations, thought it might be worth a shot. Is anyone out there on the Beara list part of the Suonish clan? Best Wishes Terry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BEARA] branch names vs place names All this talk about branch names brings to mind my parents conversations as I grew up. There was Jim's John and Patsy Tim's John and John Red's John----Jim's Tim, John Red's Tim, Patsy Tim's Tim and Eugene's Tim. etc etc. Since everyone used the same first names for their kids, this was the way to keep them all separate. Several years ago I realized that John Red had a brother Paul that came from Ireland and John Red settled here close to Lincoln and Paul settled in O'Neill. I followed Paul's children and then I contacted some of Paul's descendants in Omaha and asked if they would like to meet their local cousins. They pulled up in my driveway and I was then sure that they were John Red's kin because they all had bright red hair. Unfortunately neither side seemed to want to keep in contact and so I gave up on the research for this family. Teresa Sullivan Lincoln Ne In a message dated 3/24/2013 12:17:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Seamus, place names and branch names are as different as chalk and cheese. Place names would cover the various townlands, or local areas in which people live. Branch names for instance show the various ways in which, let us say, take Sullivans/O'Sullivans are differentiated from one another ----- like Sullivan(Suonish), Sullivan(Rochtirre), Sullivan(Master), Sullivan(Tailor), Sullivan(Dorohy), Sullivan(Rider), etc., etc., etc. ----- Riobard. On 24 March 2013 16:27, seamus O'More <[email protected]> wrote: > Riobard my friend,Place names vs branch names are they the same? How > important are they to remember and keep. I put my Mom's O'Sullivan families > branch name on her death cert. It was hard to find and in this way their > name would be remembered as long as someone was researching her life.God be > with youSeamus > > --- On Sat, 3/23/13, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, March 23, 2013, 5:19 AM > > In answer to Terrance's question: "Is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane ?" The > answer is "No". Tradition has it that this section of McCarthys in Beara > came originally from the district of Carrigrohane, which is very close to > Cork City. The surname McCarthy in Gaelic, Mac Carthaigh, means son of > Carthach {Mac in Gaelic means SON]. Carthach, from whom the name > originated, was King of Cashel [Co. Tipperary] around 1040 A.D. > ----- Riobard. > > On 23 March 2013 01:25, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is very > > puzzling: > > see page 1145 volume II > > MCCARTHY (WEAVER) > > > > (BALLYCROVANE) > > > > Back in the 1840’s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy > > Rohane. Denis went “cliamhain isteach” to a small part of the Hanley farm > > when he married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. > > Timothy Rohane married Catherine O’Sullivan. They were parents of Denny > > (the Weaver) McCarthy. > > > > > > > > The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of > Timothy > > Rohane and Catherine O’Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? > > > > > > > > > > > > GRMMA, > > > > > > > > Terrance O’Dwyer > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For those who wish to delve further into the varius kinds of Christian names, I will give you the following: For instance with the surname O'Sullivan, you have Mag Mick (O'Sullivan) = Margaret the daughter of Michael (O'Sullivan); Jer Tade = Jeremiah the son of Timothy; Doncha Mort = Denis the son of Mortimor; Rodgie Roger = Roger the son of Roger; Katty Phadraig = Catherine the daughter of Patrick; Mike John Daniel = Michael the son of John the son of Daniel; Quin Mag Jack = Quinlan the son of Margaret the daughter of John; Seamus Thaidhg = James the son of Timothy; Johnny Jude Eoin = John the son of Julia the daughter of Eugene; Doncha Murt = Denis the son of Mortimor; Paddy Silvy = Patrick the son of Silvester. With the Surname O'Connell you have Tom Maggie = Thomas the son of Margaret. With the surname Hampston you have Jim Robin= James the son of Robert. With the surname Lynch you have Michael Mike = Michael the son of Michael. With the surname Harrington you have Pat Tim Paddy= Patrick the son of Timothy the son of Patrick; Vincie Jer Denny= Vincent the son of Jeremiah the son of Denis; Tade Philly= Timothy the son of Philip. With Crowley you have Jeremiah Con Jer = Jeremiah the son of Cornelius the son of Jeremiah; Richard Pats Curly= Richard the son of Patrick the son of Cornelius. With McCarthy you have Johanna Duneen = Johanna the daughter of Denis. With Lynch you have Michael Mike = Michael the son of Michael. Wth O'Shea you have Patsy Mike Tady = Patrick the son of Michael the son of Timothy; Paddy Duin Mhicil = Patrick the son of Denis the son of Michael. With Murphy you have the long Christian name of Joe Quin Donal Partalan = Joseph the son of Quinlan the son of Daniel the son of Bartholomew. Alot of the Christian names are Rodgie = Roger; Philly = Philip; Duin = Denis; Robin = Robert; Partalan (pronounced like Pawrtalawn) = Bartholomew; Silvy = Silvester. And that's the way by which people were often known in Beara in the olden days. * ----- Riobard. (by the way, Riobard is the Gaelic for Robert.. Robert is the Christian name of my uncle, the eldest son of his family. My name is Robert [I am the eldest son of my family]. My eldest son is Bobbie, and his eldest son is Robert).*.

It IS time for a rest, but I certainly have been enjoying all the conversation! Thank you. Riobard On 3/25/2013 3:42 PM, Riobard O' Dwyer wrote: > People in Beara were known by the Places in which the lived: Timothy "na > Carraige" = Timothy from Carrig, Kilmacowen); Darby "the Strand" = > Jeremiah from "the Strand, Eyeries); Dick "na Pairce" = Richard from > Parkmore, Eyeries); Sean "Traig an Ime" = John of the strand of the butter > in Ardgroom North; Tim "Tra an Adhmaid" = Tim of the strand of the timber > in Dreenach, Eyeries. > Also there were people known from the work/trade that they did: Quinlan > "the Shoemaker"; Ned "a' Gow" = Edward "the Smith"; Johnny "the Pass". Piss > or urine used be gathered for bleaching wool; Denny "the Weaver"; Jerry > "the Saddler"; Paddy "Tailor". > There is a family known as "the Shandons" living in the Kilmacowen area of > the Eyeries Parish. The original person was the only man from Beara whose > horse could draw a cart laden with a big load of butter from ground level > up to the top of Shandon Street in Cork City. > Now, 'tis time to take a rest ---- and let somebody else take over the > running !! > * ---- Riobard.* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Teresa, I believe this Daniel Holland may be the son of Jeremiah Darby Holland. Bill Gawen might know!!?? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 2:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BEARA] branch names vs place names One more Holland---The C and H Mine in Calumet Michigan had an employee Daniel Holland employee #133 began work there in 1866 born in Ireland in 1835 and was married. Died April 8, 1904 with stomach cancer. Had 4 children. Teresa Sullivan In a message dated 3/25/2013 12:11:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Teresa, Just out of curiosity which Sullivan branch are you from. The Hollands of Kilmackowen went to O'Neil Nebraska. One brother Michael stayed there and the other went on to Colorado. The Hollands I refer to were the sons of Mary Sullivan (Suonish) Holland. As family seemed to follow other relations, thought it might be worth a shot. Is anyone out there on the Beara list part of the Suonish clan? Best Wishes Terry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BEARA] branch names vs place names All this talk about branch names brings to mind my parents conversations as I grew up. There was Jim's John and Patsy Tim's John and John Red's John----Jim's Tim, John Red's Tim, Patsy Tim's Tim and Eugene's Tim. etc etc. Since everyone used the same first names for their kids, this was the way to keep them all separate. Several years ago I realized that John Red had a brother Paul that came from Ireland and John Red settled here close to Lincoln and Paul settled in O'Neill. I followed Paul's children and then I contacted some of Paul's descendants in Omaha and asked if they would like to meet their local cousins. They pulled up in my driveway and I was then sure that they were John Red's kin because they all had bright red hair. Unfortunately neither side seemed to want to keep in contact and so I gave up on the research for this family. Teresa Sullivan Lincoln Ne In a message dated 3/24/2013 12:17:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Seamus, place names and branch names are as different as chalk and cheese. Place names would cover the various townlands, or local areas in which people live. Branch names for instance show the various ways in which, let us say, take Sullivans/O'Sullivans are differentiated from one another ----- like Sullivan(Suonish), Sullivan(Rochtirre), Sullivan(Master), Sullivan(Tailor), Sullivan(Dorohy), Sullivan(Rider), etc., etc., etc. ----- Riobard. On 24 March 2013 16:27, seamus O'More <[email protected]> wrote: > Riobard my friend,Place names vs branch names are they the same? How > important are they to remember and keep. I put my Mom's O'Sullivan families > branch name on her death cert. It was hard to find and in this way their > name would be remembered as long as someone was researching her life.God be > with youSeamus > > --- On Sat, 3/23/13, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, March 23, 2013, 5:19 AM > > In answer to Terrance's question: "Is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane ?" The > answer is "No". Tradition has it that this section of McCarthys in Beara > came originally from the district of Carrigrohane, which is very close to > Cork City. The surname McCarthy in Gaelic, Mac Carthaigh, means son of > Carthach {Mac in Gaelic means SON]. Carthach, from whom the name > originated, was King of Cashel [Co. Tipperary] around 1040 A.D. > ----- Riobard. > > On 23 March 2013 01:25, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is very > > puzzling: > > see page 1145 volume II > > MCCARTHY (WEAVER) > > > > (BALLYCROVANE) > > > > Back in the 1840’s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy > > Rohane. Denis went “cliamhain isteach” to a small part of the Hanley farm > > when he married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. > > Timothy Rohane married Catherine O’Sullivan. They were parents of Denny > > (the Weaver) McCarthy. > > > > > > > > The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of > Timothy > > Rohane and Catherine O’Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? > > > > > > > > > > > > GRMMA, > > > > > > > > Terrance O’Dwyer > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wondering if the name 'Percy' is a nickname for some longer Christian name? > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:49:20 +0000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BEARA] More names > > For those who wish to delve further into the varius kinds of Christian > names, I will give you the following: > For instance with the surname O'Sullivan, you have Mag Mick (O'Sullivan) = > Margaret the daughter of Michael (O'Sullivan); Jer Tade = Jeremiah the son > of Timothy; Doncha Mort = Denis the son of Mortimor; Rodgie Roger = Roger > the son of Roger; Katty Phadraig = Catherine the daughter of Patrick; Mike > John Daniel = Michael the son of John the son of Daniel; Quin Mag Jack = > Quinlan the son of Margaret the daughter of John; Seamus Thaidhg = James > the son of Timothy; Johnny Jude Eoin = John the son of Julia the daughter > of Eugene; Doncha Murt = Denis the son of Mortimor; Paddy Silvy = Patrick > the son of Silvester. With the Surname O'Connell you have Tom Maggie = > Thomas the son of Margaret. With the surname Hampston you have Jim Robin= > James the son of Robert. With the surname Lynch you have Michael Mike = > Michael the son of Michael. With the surname Harrington you have Pat Tim > Paddy= Patrick the son of Timothy the son of Patrick; Vincie Jer Denny= > Vincent the son of Jeremiah the son of Denis; Tade Philly= Timothy the son > of Philip. With Crowley you have Jeremiah Con Jer = Jeremiah the son of > Cornelius the son of Jeremiah; Richard Pats Curly= Richard the son of > Patrick the son of Cornelius. With McCarthy you have Johanna Duneen = > Johanna the daughter of Denis. With Lynch you have Michael Mike = Michael > the son of Michael. Wth O'Shea you have Patsy Mike Tady = Patrick the son > of Michael the son of Timothy; Paddy Duin Mhicil = Patrick the son of Denis > the son of Michael. With Murphy you have the long Christian name of Joe > Quin Donal Partalan = Joseph the son of Quinlan the son of Daniel the son > of Bartholomew. Alot of the Christian names are Rodgie = Roger; Philly = > Philip; Duin = Denis; Robin = Robert; Partalan (pronounced like Pawrtalawn) > = Bartholomew; Silvy = Silvester. And that's the way by which people were > often known in Beara in the olden days. > * ----- Riobard. (by the way, Riobard is the Gaelic for Robert.. Robert is > the Christian name of my uncle, the eldest son of his family. My name is > Robert [I am the eldest son of my family]. My eldest son is Bobbie, > and his eldest > son is Robert).*. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Teresa, Just out of curiosity which Sullivan branch are you from. The Hollands of Kilmackowen went to O'Neil Nebraska. One brother Michael stayed there and the other went on to Colorado. The Hollands I refer to were the sons of Mary Sullivan (Suonish) Holland. As family seemed to follow other relations, thought it might be worth a shot. Is anyone out there on the Beara list part of the Suonish clan? Best Wishes Terry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BEARA] branch names vs place names All this talk about branch names brings to mind my parents conversations as I grew up. There was Jim's John and Patsy Tim's John and John Red's John----Jim's Tim, John Red's Tim, Patsy Tim's Tim and Eugene's Tim. etc etc. Since everyone used the same first names for their kids, this was the way to keep them all separate. Several years ago I realized that John Red had a brother Paul that came from Ireland and John Red settled here close to Lincoln and Paul settled in O'Neill. I followed Paul's children and then I contacted some of Paul's descendants in Omaha and asked if they would like to meet their local cousins. They pulled up in my driveway and I was then sure that they were John Red's kin because they all had bright red hair. Unfortunately neither side seemed to want to keep in contact and so I gave up on the research for this family. Teresa Sullivan Lincoln Ne In a message dated 3/24/2013 12:17:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Seamus, place names and branch names are as different as chalk and cheese. Place names would cover the various townlands, or local areas in which people live. Branch names for instance show the various ways in which, let us say, take Sullivans/O'Sullivans are differentiated from one another ----- like Sullivan(Suonish), Sullivan(Rochtirre), Sullivan(Master), Sullivan(Tailor), Sullivan(Dorohy), Sullivan(Rider), etc., etc., etc. ----- Riobard. On 24 March 2013 16:27, seamus O'More <[email protected]> wrote: > Riobard my friend,Place names vs branch names are they the same? How > important are they to remember and keep. I put my Mom's O'Sullivan families > branch name on her death cert. It was hard to find and in this way their > name would be remembered as long as someone was researching her life.God be > with youSeamus > > --- On Sat, 3/23/13, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, March 23, 2013, 5:19 AM > > In answer to Terrance's question: "Is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane ?" The > answer is "No". Tradition has it that this section of McCarthys in Beara > came originally from the district of Carrigrohane, which is very close to > Cork City. The surname McCarthy in Gaelic, Mac Carthaigh, means son of > Carthach {Mac in Gaelic means SON]. Carthach, from whom the name > originated, was King of Cashel [Co. Tipperary] around 1040 A.D. > ----- Riobard. > > On 23 March 2013 01:25, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is very > > puzzling: > > see page 1145 volume II > > MCCARTHY (WEAVER) > > > > (BALLYCROVANE) > > > > Back in the 1840’s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy > > Rohane. Denis went “cliamhain isteach” to a small part of the Hanley farm > > when he married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. > > Timothy Rohane married Catherine O’Sullivan. They were parents of Denny > > (the Weaver) McCarthy. > > > > > > > > The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of > Timothy > > Rohane and Catherine O’Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? > > > > > > > > > > > > GRMMA, > > > > > > > > Terrance O’Dwyer > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Riobard, This is very helpful! Thanks so much! Susan On Mar 25, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Riobard O' Dwyer wrote: > For those who wish to delve further into the varius kinds of Christian > names, I will give you the following: > For instance with the surname O'Sullivan, you have Mag Mick (O'Sullivan) = > Margaret the daughter of Michael (O'Sullivan); Jer Tade = Jeremiah the son > of Timothy; Doncha Mort = Denis the son of Mortimor; Rodgie Roger = Roger > the son of Roger; Katty Phadraig = Catherine the daughter of Patrick; Mike > John Daniel = Michael the son of John the son of Daniel; Quin Mag Jack = > Quinlan the son of Margaret the daughter of John; Seamus Thaidhg = James > the son of Timothy; Johnny Jude Eoin = John the son of Julia the daughter > of Eugene; Doncha Murt = Denis the son of Mortimor; Paddy Silvy = Patrick > the son of Silvester. With the Surname O'Connell you have Tom Maggie = > Thomas the son of Margaret. With the surname Hampston you have Jim Robin= > James the son of Robert. With the surname Lynch you have Michael Mike = > Michael the son of Michael. With the surname Harrington you have Pat Tim > Paddy= Patrick the son of Timothy the son of Patrick; Vincie Jer Denny= > Vincent the son of Jeremiah the son of Denis; Tade Philly= Timothy the son > of Philip. With Crowley you have Jeremiah Con Jer = Jeremiah the son of > Cornelius the son of Jeremiah; Richard Pats Curly= Richard the son of > Patrick the son of Cornelius. With McCarthy you have Johanna Duneen = > Johanna the daughter of Denis. With Lynch you have Michael Mike = Michael > the son of Michael. Wth O'Shea you have Patsy Mike Tady = Patrick the son > of Michael the son of Timothy; Paddy Duin Mhicil = Patrick the son of Denis > the son of Michael. With Murphy you have the long Christian name of Joe > Quin Donal Partalan = Joseph the son of Quinlan the son of Daniel the son > of Bartholomew. Alot of the Christian names are Rodgie = Roger; Philly = > Philip; Duin = Denis; Robin = Robert; Partalan (pronounced like Pawrtalawn) > = Bartholomew; Silvy = Silvester. And that's the way by which people were > often known in Beara in the olden days. > * ----- Riobard. (by the way, Riobard is the Gaelic for Robert.. Robert is > the Christian name of my uncle, the eldest son of his family. My name is > Robert [I am the eldest son of my family]. My eldest son is Bobbie, > and his eldest > son is Robert).*. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Susan Twomey 319 Howard Heights Rd Eureka, CA 95503 tel 707-444-2522

Seamus, place names and branch names are as different as chalk and cheese. Place names would cover the various townlands, or local areas in which people live. Branch names for instance show the various ways in which, let us say, take Sullivans/O'Sullivans are differentiated from one another ----- like Sullivan(Suonish), Sullivan(Rochtirre), Sullivan(Master), Sullivan(Tailor), Sullivan(Dorohy), Sullivan(Rider), etc., etc., etc. ----- Riobard. On 24 March 2013 16:27, seamus O'More <[email protected]> wrote: > Riobard my friend,Place names vs branch names are they the same? How > important are they to remember and keep. I put my Mom's O'Sullivan families > branch name on her death cert. It was hard to find and in this way their > name would be remembered as long as someone was researching her life.God be > with youSeamus > > --- On Sat, 3/23/13, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, March 23, 2013, 5:19 AM > > In answer to Terrance's question: "Is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane ?" The > answer is "No". Tradition has it that this section of McCarthys in Beara > came originally from the district of Carrigrohane, which is very close to > Cork City. The surname McCarthy in Gaelic, Mac Carthaigh, means son of > Carthach {Mac in Gaelic means SON]. Carthach, from whom the name > originated, was King of Cashel [Co. Tipperary] around 1040 A.D. > ----- Riobard. > > On 23 March 2013 01:25, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is very > > puzzling: > > see page 1145 volume II > > MCCARTHY (WEAVER) > > > > (BALLYCROVANE) > > > > Back in the 1840’s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy > > Rohane. Denis went “cliamhain isteach” to a small part of the Hanley farm > > when he married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. > > Timothy Rohane married Catherine O’Sullivan. They were parents of Denny > > (the Weaver) McCarthy. > > > > > > > > The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of > Timothy > > Rohane and Catherine O’Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? > > > > > > > > > > > > GRMMA, > > > > > > > > Terrance O’Dwyer > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)*

Dear Audrie, Since I sent my records to Boston, I have, naturally, been at a disadvantage as regards answering questions from our listeners, but I'll do the best I can from memory. Re. Denis O'Sullivan(Cohu) & Mary Rohane (=McCarthy) look in Boston in my records for a marriage circa 1846-1847. The trouble was that a good number of the old Church records were missing. That added to my problems, but information I got from very old people in the various localities while on my visits [with my good old friend, the accordion] helped me immensely. Were it not for my gathering many years ago of all this information from those old people who are now long since dead, it would have been lost forever. Daniel Lynn would be known in Ireland as Daniel Lyne. Yes. Denis McCarthy(Rohane) [m. Nora Harrington] of the townland of Croumphane had 9 children. I was teaching three of that Denis's greatgreatgrandchildren. That Denis was a bonesetter ---- never heard that he was a weaver. He was known as Denny Rohane. It was Denis (or Denny) McCarthy [m. Nora Rahilly (= O'Reilly] of Ballycrovane who was the weaver. The Denis Rohane [married Julia Harrington] was a bonesetter only. ----- Riobard. On 23 March 2013 21:45, Audrie Arseneault <[email protected]> wrote: > Just for clarification because I do come from this line of the family and > I just realized that I had a little something wrong in my transcribing my > notes after reading Riobard's response. > Would I have the following information correct?... > Denis Rohune McCarthy married Nora Harrington. They had the following > children. Mary, Michael, Daniel, Denis, John, Katherine, Timothy(Tade), > Ellen and Nora. > This Denis was a bonesetter am I correct?? > Their son > Timothy Tade McCarthy,married Katherine Cohu O'Sullivan daughter of Denis > Cohu O'Sullivan and Mary Rohune McCarthy. (Would anyone know who Mary > Rohune McCarthy's parents were?) > They had a son named Denis who was born in Ireland or elsewhere(?) who > married Julia Harrington in Butte, Montana and then went to California, had > some children and then back to Ireland around 1912,1913 where they had > more children. Do I have this right? I originally had Denis's fathers name > wrong as Denis Tade McCarthy. > > Was the Denis Rohune McCarthy that married a Julia Harrington a weaver? I > believe he later went to England where he died in the 1960's according to > my husband's cousin whose family lived with him for awhile. Denis's > Daughter Mary Marie born in Ireland in 1913 married a Daniel Lynn I believe > in Ireland and lived in the house that Denis grew up in. I was told this > house still stands today. The daughter of Mary Marie said that then they > moved to England, back to Ireland, to Boston and then up to Ontario, Canada > where the mother Mary Marie passed away and where the daughter is still > living. > Audrie > > > "Cut not the wings of your dreams...for they are the heartbeat and the > freedom of your soul" > > > ________________________________ > From: Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:31 AM > Subject: Re: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query > > Terrance, > I haven't seen any other question. The O'Dwyers are mighty > people for asking questions !! > ----- Riobard. > > On 23 March 2013 12:19, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > In answer to Terrance's question: "Is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane ?" > The > > answer is "No". Tradition has it that this section of McCarthys in Beara > > came originally from the district of Carrigrohane, which is very close to > > Cork City. The surname McCarthy in Gaelic, Mac Carthaigh, means son of > > Carthach {Mac in Gaelic means SON]. Carthach, from whom the name > > originated, was King of Cashel [Co. Tipperary] around 1040 A.D. > > ----- Riobard. > > > > On 23 March 2013 01:25, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is > very > > > puzzling: > > > see page 1145 volume II > > > MCCARTHY (WEAVER) > > > > > > (BALLYCROVANE) > > > > > > Back in the 1840’s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy > > > Rohane. Denis went “cliamhain isteach” to a small part of the Hanley > farm > > > when he married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. > > > Timothy Rohane married Catherine O’Sullivan. They were parents of Denny > > > (the Weaver) McCarthy. > > > > > > > > > > > > The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of > > Timothy > > > Rohane and Catherine O’Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GRMMA, > > > > > > > > > > > > Terrance O’Dwyer > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > -- > > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)*

I don't post very much , mostly just read. Some days I compile thought's, other days I put things together and wonder just a bit too much  Just a bit,  like, we seem to have lost so much in who we are. Branch names, the O's and the Mc's, records written down. People too busy moving forward and not taking their history with them or collecting it and putting it back where it belongs. I have been talking to the lost Irish for over 20 years here in the USA and many Irishmen and women here, do not even know who they were. They do their DNA and travel home to the ole sod. They see all the green grasses and the stone fence's, the sheep and taste the butter. The come away with the bitter sweet taste of Guinness, still foaming on their lip.  I have also been reading the Beara people's post(my people) for a long time now. It is nice to know some are still helping find our past. Mo tuath's like the Eugenian's and Clan na Rory are another lost part of us. Seem's people have went a long way have us forget our histroy and our derbfine . We are a proud race of Celt's and the Cork peple are amounst the best Erie has to offer. It is time to remember what we are, just not who we are.You sure are a mighty fine bunch of cork people.Thank you Riobard and everyone else who helps us to rememberGod be with youSeamus --- On Sun, 3/24/13, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: From: Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] branch names vs place names To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, March 24, 2013, 10:15 AM Seamus, place names and branch names are as different as chalk and cheese. Place names would cover the various townlands, or local areas in which people live. Branch names for instance show the various ways in which, let us say, take Sullivans/O'Sullivans are differentiated from one another ----- like Sullivan(Suonish), Sullivan(Rochtirre), Sullivan(Master), Sullivan(Tailor), Sullivan(Dorohy), Sullivan(Rider), etc., etc., etc.                          ----- Riobard. On 24 March 2013 16:27, seamus O'More <[email protected]> wrote: > Riobard my friend,Place names vs branch names are they the same? How > important are they to remember and keep. I put my Mom's O'Sullivan families > branch name on her death cert. It was hard to find and in this way their > name would be remembered as long as someone was researching her life.God be > with youSeamus > > --- On Sat, 3/23/13, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, March 23, 2013, 5:19 AM > > In answer to Terrance's question: "Is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane ?" The > answer is "No". Tradition has it that this section of McCarthys in Beara > came originally from the district of Carrigrohane, which is very close to > Cork City. The surname McCarthy in Gaelic, Mac Carthaigh, means son of > Carthach {Mac in Gaelic means SON]. Carthach, from whom the name > originated, was King of Cashel [Co. Tipperary] around 1040 A.D. >                       ----- Riobard. > > On 23 March 2013 01:25, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is very > > puzzling: > > see page 1145 volume II > > MCCARTHY (WEAVER) > > > > (BALLYCROVANE) > > > > Back in the 1840’s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy > > Rohane. Denis went “cliamhain isteach” to a small part of the Hanley farm > > when he married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. > > Timothy Rohane married Catherine O’Sullivan. They were parents of Denny > > (the Weaver) McCarthy. > > > > > > > > The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of > Timothy > > Rohane and Catherine O’Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? > > > > > > > > > > > > GRMMA, > > > > > > > > Terrance O’Dwyer > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All this talk about branch names brings to mind my parents conversations as I grew up. There was Jim's John and Patsy Tim's John and John Red's John----Jim's Tim, John Red's Tim, Patsy Tim's Tim and Eugene's Tim. etc etc. Since everyone used the same first names for their kids, this was the way to keep them all separate. Several years ago I realized that John Red had a brother Paul that came from Ireland and John Red settled here close to Lincoln and Paul settled in O'Neill. I followed Paul's children and then I contacted some of Paul's descendants in Omaha and asked if they would like to meet their local cousins. They pulled up in my driveway and I was then sure that they were John Red's kin because they all had bright red hair. Unfortunately neither side seemed to want to keep in contact and so I gave up on the research for this family. Teresa Sullivan Lincoln Ne In a message dated 3/24/2013 12:17:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Seamus, place names and branch names are as different as chalk and cheese. Place names would cover the various townlands, or local areas in which people live. Branch names for instance show the various ways in which, let us say, take Sullivans/O'Sullivans are differentiated from one another ----- like Sullivan(Suonish), Sullivan(Rochtirre), Sullivan(Master), Sullivan(Tailor), Sullivan(Dorohy), Sullivan(Rider), etc., etc., etc. ----- Riobard. On 24 March 2013 16:27, seamus O'More <[email protected]> wrote: > Riobard my friend,Place names vs branch names are they the same? How > important are they to remember and keep. I put my Mom's O'Sullivan families > branch name on her death cert. It was hard to find and in this way their > name would be remembered as long as someone was researching her life.God be > with youSeamus > > --- On Sat, 3/23/13, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, March 23, 2013, 5:19 AM > > In answer to Terrance's question: "Is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane ?" The > answer is "No". Tradition has it that this section of McCarthys in Beara > came originally from the district of Carrigrohane, which is very close to > Cork City. The surname McCarthy in Gaelic, Mac Carthaigh, means son of > Carthach {Mac in Gaelic means SON]. Carthach, from whom the name > originated, was King of Cashel [Co. Tipperary] around 1040 A.D. > ----- Riobard. > > On 23 March 2013 01:25, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is very > > puzzling: > > see page 1145 volume II > > MCCARTHY (WEAVER) > > > > (BALLYCROVANE) > > > > Back in the 1840’s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy > > Rohane. Denis went “cliamhain isteach” to a small part of the Hanley farm > > when he married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. > > Timothy Rohane married Catherine O’Sullivan. They were parents of Denny > > (the Weaver) McCarthy. > > > > > > > > The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of > Timothy > > Rohane and Catherine O’Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? > > > > > > > > > > > > GRMMA, > > > > > > > > Terrance O’Dwyer > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Maggie, We in Beara have a strange sort of humour. I have been only joking. I have often been called worse than that !! Don't worry. 'Tis nearly dinner-time ----- and I don't want to spoil your dinner !! ----- Riobard. On 24 March 2013 13:08, Margaret Duffy <[email protected]> wrote: > Oh, I'm so sorry about that. I recently got an iPad and the keyboard > sometimes does funny things that you don't mean to do. It also substitutes > what it thinks you should have typed for what you actually typed. The > gadget (and the people who designed it) obviously think that they are > smarter than the people who use it. By no means are you ribald, Riobard. > > Again, I'm so sorry about that. > > Maggie > > Sent from my iPad > > On Mar 24, 2013, at 7:08 AM, "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Maggie, > > In case you don't know it, Ribald means irreverent, scurrilous, > > indecent, vulgar. I never realized that to my qualifications you have > added > > a new one. Riobard is the Gaelic for Robert. > > ----- Riobard. > > > > On 24 March 2013 02:04, Margaret Duffy <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Ribald will probably answer you more authoritatively than I can, but I > can > >> testify that in my father's area of Ireland, which was Longford (nearly > as > >> far from Bearable as you can get) branch names were used for all the > >> different Duffy families. Otherwise the confusion would be total. > >> > >> As a child, growing up in NYC and listening to my mother and her sister > >> talk (my father had no siblings in the US), I thought that the > people,they > >> mentioned frequently were actually named Shearig and Causkey and Cumba > and > >> Kane, only to discover much later that they were really Sullivans or > >> Harringtons or Houlihans! > >> > >> Maggie Duffy > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> > >> On Mar 23, 2013, at 5:48 PM, "seamus O'More" <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Mo chara Riobard,Did we (different Irish names) all have branch names? > >> Just thinking online.SlanSeamus > >>> > >>> --- On Sat, 3/23/13, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> From: Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> > >>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Date: Saturday, March 23, 2013, 7:55 AM > >>> > >>> Terrance, > >>> Rohane is, what we call here, just a Branch-name of the > >>> McCarthys ---- such as McCarthy(Strock), McCarthy(Bawnee). I have sent > my > >>> research work, in which you can find the answers to all those > questions, > >> on > >>> to the huge N.E.H.G.S. Library in Boston. > >>> ----- Riobard. > >>> > >>> On 23 March 2013 14:42, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> This is fascinating, and consequently, the mighty questions continue: > >> So, > >>>> is it correct to conclude that the name Rohane presumes McCarthy? .... > >> in > >>>> some sense, was this like the adding or dropping the O', as in Dwyer & > >>>> O'Dwyer? And, might other names have used Rohane? Might Murphy or > >> Sullivan. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: [email protected] > >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:00 AM > >>>> To: [email protected] > >>>> Subject: BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Today's Topics: > >>>> > >>>> 1. new McCarthy Beara query (terrance) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> > >>>> Message: 1 > >>>> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 20:25:35 -0500 > >>>> From: "terrance" <[email protected]> > >>>> Subject: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query > >>>> To: "Beara" <[email protected]> > >>>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is > very > >>>> puzzling: > >>>> see page 1145 volume II > >>>> MCCARTHY (WEAVER) > >>>> > >>>> (BALLYCROVANE) > >>>> > >>>> Back in the 1840?s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy > >>>> Rohane. > >>>> Denis went ?cliamhain isteach? to a small part of the Hanley farm when > >> he > >>>> married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. Timothy > >>>> Rohane married Catherine O?Sullivan. They were parents of Denny (the > >>>> Weaver) > >>>> McCarthy. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of > >> Timothy > >>>> Rohane and Catherine O?Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> GRMMA, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Terrance O?Dwyer > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------ > >>>> > >>>> To contact the BEARA list administrator, send an email to > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> > >>>> To post a message to the BEARA mailing list, send an email to > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> > >>>> __________________________________________________________ > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > >> body > >>>> of the > >>>> email with no additional text. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> End of BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 > >>>> ************************************ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes > >>>> in the subject and the body of the message > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)*

Maggie, In case you don't know it, Ribald means irreverent, scurrilous, indecent, vulgar. I never realized that to my qualifications you have added a new one. Riobard is the Gaelic for Robert. ----- Riobard. On 24 March 2013 02:04, Margaret Duffy <[email protected]> wrote: > Ribald will probably answer you more authoritatively than I can, but I can > testify that in my father's area of Ireland, which was Longford (nearly as > far from Bearable as you can get) branch names were used for all the > different Duffy families. Otherwise the confusion would be total. > > As a child, growing up in NYC and listening to my mother and her sister > talk (my father had no siblings in the US), I thought that the people,they > mentioned frequently were actually named Shearig and Causkey and Cumba and > Kane, only to discover much later that they were really Sullivans or > Harringtons or Houlihans! > > Maggie Duffy > > Sent from my iPad > > On Mar 23, 2013, at 5:48 PM, "seamus O'More" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Mo chara Riobard,Did we (different Irish names) all have branch names? > Just thinking online.SlanSeamus > > > > --- On Sat, 3/23/13, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > From: Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [BEARA] BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Saturday, March 23, 2013, 7:55 AM > > > > Terrance, > > Rohane is, what we call here, just a Branch-name of the > > McCarthys ---- such as McCarthy(Strock), McCarthy(Bawnee). I have sent my > > research work, in which you can find the answers to all those questions, > on > > to the huge N.E.H.G.S. Library in Boston. > > ----- Riobard. > > > > On 23 March 2013 14:42, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> > >> This is fascinating, and consequently, the mighty questions continue: > So, > >> is it correct to conclude that the name Rohane presumes McCarthy? .... > in > >> some sense, was this like the adding or dropping the O', as in Dwyer & > >> O'Dwyer? And, might other names have used Rohane? Might Murphy or > Sullivan. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:00 AM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 > >> > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. new McCarthy Beara query (terrance) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 20:25:35 -0500 > >> From: "terrance" <[email protected]> > >> Subject: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query > >> To: "Beara" <[email protected]> > >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is very > >> puzzling: > >> see page 1145 volume II > >> MCCARTHY (WEAVER) > >> > >> (BALLYCROVANE) > >> > >> Back in the 1840?s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy > >> Rohane. > >> Denis went ?cliamhain isteach? to a small part of the Hanley farm when > he > >> married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. Timothy > >> Rohane married Catherine O?Sullivan. They were parents of Denny (the > >> Weaver) > >> McCarthy. > >> > >> > >> > >> The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of > Timothy > >> Rohane and Catherine O?Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> GRMMA, > >> > >> > >> > >> Terrance O?Dwyer > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> To contact the BEARA list administrator, send an email to > >> [email protected] > >> > >> To post a message to the BEARA mailing list, send an email to > >> [email protected] > >> > >> __________________________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] > >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body > >> of the > >> email with no additional text. > >> > >> > >> End of BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 > >> ************************************ > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)*

Riobard my friend,Place names vs branch names are they the same? How important are they to remember and keep. I put my Mom's O'Sullivan families branch name on her death cert. It was hard to find and in this way their name would be remembered as long as someone was researching her life.God be with youSeamus --- On Sat, 3/23/13, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: From: Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, March 23, 2013, 5:19 AM In answer to Terrance's question: "Is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane ?" The answer is "No". Tradition has it that this section of McCarthys in Beara came originally from the district of Carrigrohane, which is very close to Cork City. The surname McCarthy in Gaelic, Mac Carthaigh, means son of Carthach {Mac in Gaelic means SON]. Carthach, from whom the name originated, was King of Cashel [Co. Tipperary] around 1040 A.D.                       ----- Riobard. On 23 March 2013 01:25, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is very > puzzling: > see page 1145 volume II > MCCARTHY (WEAVER) > > (BALLYCROVANE) > > Back in the 1840’s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy > Rohane. Denis went “cliamhain isteach” to a small part of the Hanley farm > when he married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. > Timothy Rohane married Catherine O’Sullivan. They were parents of Denny > (the Weaver) McCarthy. > > > > The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of Timothy > Rohane and Catherine O’Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? > > > > > > GRMMA, > > > > Terrance O’Dwyer > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh, I'm so sorry about that. I recently got an iPad and the keyboard sometimes does funny things that you don't mean to do. It also substitutes what it thinks you should have typed for what you actually typed. The gadget (and the people who designed it) obviously think that they are smarter than the people who use it. By no means are you ribald, Riobard. Again, I'm so sorry about that. Maggie Sent from my iPad On Mar 24, 2013, at 7:08 AM, "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> wrote: > Maggie, > In case you don't know it, Ribald means irreverent, scurrilous, > indecent, vulgar. I never realized that to my qualifications you have added > a new one. Riobard is the Gaelic for Robert. > ----- Riobard. > > On 24 March 2013 02:04, Margaret Duffy <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Ribald will probably answer you more authoritatively than I can, but I can >> testify that in my father's area of Ireland, which was Longford (nearly as >> far from Bearable as you can get) branch names were used for all the >> different Duffy families. Otherwise the confusion would be total. >> >> As a child, growing up in NYC and listening to my mother and her sister >> talk (my father had no siblings in the US), I thought that the people,they >> mentioned frequently were actually named Shearig and Causkey and Cumba and >> Kane, only to discover much later that they were really Sullivans or >> Harringtons or Houlihans! >> >> Maggie Duffy >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Mar 23, 2013, at 5:48 PM, "seamus O'More" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Mo chara Riobard,Did we (different Irish names) all have branch names? >> Just thinking online.SlanSeamus >>> >>> --- On Sat, 3/23/13, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> From: Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [BEARA] BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Saturday, March 23, 2013, 7:55 AM >>> >>> Terrance, >>> Rohane is, what we call here, just a Branch-name of the >>> McCarthys ---- such as McCarthy(Strock), McCarthy(Bawnee). I have sent my >>> research work, in which you can find the answers to all those questions, >> on >>> to the huge N.E.H.G.S. Library in Boston. >>> ----- Riobard. >>> >>> On 23 March 2013 14:42, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This is fascinating, and consequently, the mighty questions continue: >> So, >>>> is it correct to conclude that the name Rohane presumes McCarthy? .... >> in >>>> some sense, was this like the adding or dropping the O', as in Dwyer & >>>> O'Dwyer? And, might other names have used Rohane? Might Murphy or >> Sullivan. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:00 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. new McCarthy Beara query (terrance) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 20:25:35 -0500 >>>> From: "terrance" <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query >>>> To: "Beara" <[email protected]> >>>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is very >>>> puzzling: >>>> see page 1145 volume II >>>> MCCARTHY (WEAVER) >>>> >>>> (BALLYCROVANE) >>>> >>>> Back in the 1840?s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy >>>> Rohane. >>>> Denis went ?cliamhain isteach? to a small part of the Hanley farm when >> he >>>> married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. Timothy >>>> Rohane married Catherine O?Sullivan. They were parents of Denny (the >>>> Weaver) >>>> McCarthy. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of >> Timothy >>>> Rohane and Catherine O?Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> GRMMA, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Terrance O?Dwyer >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> To contact the BEARA list administrator, send an email to >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> To post a message to the BEARA mailing list, send an email to >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] >>>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >>>> of the >>>> email with no additional text. >>>> >>>> >>>> End of BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 >>>> ************************************ >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ribald will probably answer you more authoritatively than I can, but I can testify that in my father's area of Ireland, which was Longford (nearly as far from Bearable as you can get) branch names were used for all the different Duffy families. Otherwise the confusion would be total. As a child, growing up in NYC and listening to my mother and her sister talk (my father had no siblings in the US), I thought that the people,they mentioned frequently were actually named Shearig and Causkey and Cumba and Kane, only to discover much later that they were really Sullivans or Harringtons or Houlihans! Maggie Duffy Sent from my iPad On Mar 23, 2013, at 5:48 PM, "seamus O'More" <[email protected]> wrote: > Mo chara Riobard,Did we (different Irish names) all have branch names? Just thinking online.SlanSeamus > > --- On Sat, 3/23/13, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, March 23, 2013, 7:55 AM > > Terrance, > Rohane is, what we call here, just a Branch-name of the > McCarthys ---- such as McCarthy(Strock), McCarthy(Bawnee). I have sent my > research work, in which you can find the answers to all those questions, on > to the huge N.E.H.G.S. Library in Boston. > ----- Riobard. > > On 23 March 2013 14:42, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> This is fascinating, and consequently, the mighty questions continue: So, >> is it correct to conclude that the name Rohane presumes McCarthy? .... in >> some sense, was this like the adding or dropping the O', as in Dwyer & >> O'Dwyer? And, might other names have used Rohane? Might Murphy or Sullivan. >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:00 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 >> >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. new McCarthy Beara query (terrance) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 20:25:35 -0500 >> From: "terrance" <[email protected]> >> Subject: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query >> To: "Beara" <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> >> >> AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is very >> puzzling: >> see page 1145 volume II >> MCCARTHY (WEAVER) >> >> (BALLYCROVANE) >> >> Back in the 1840?s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy >> Rohane. >> Denis went ?cliamhain isteach? to a small part of the Hanley farm when he >> married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. Timothy >> Rohane married Catherine O?Sullivan. They were parents of Denny (the >> Weaver) >> McCarthy. >> >> >> >> The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of Timothy >> Rohane and Catherine O?Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? >> >> >> >> >> >> GRMMA, >> >> >> >> Terrance O?Dwyer >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the BEARA list administrator, send an email to >> [email protected] >> >> To post a message to the BEARA mailing list, send an email to >> [email protected] >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 >> ************************************ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 23 March 2013 18:50, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: > *Joan's uncle Dan in Butte was a bit of a character. He was a Copper > Miner there. One time, when he had gathered a few dollars, he decided to > bring a few of his relatives out for a meal in a local restaurant. They > had got about half-way in the meal when Dan felt that the food he was > getting wasn't up to standard. So, up he got and ordered his relatives > out of the restaurant. Dan was the last heading out the door when the > owner, who saw this happening, jumped off the stairs and landed on Dan's > back. After a bit of a tussle, Dan escaped without paying for the "grub". > Times were tough in Butte those days, but Dan was well-able to look after > himself.* > *Now, on to Co. Tipperary. One of my grandsons, Dannie, aged just* *5 > years of age, was in a school play*.* In it were other boys of the same > age.* *They were acting God, Our Lord, and the 12 Apostles*. *Dannie got > the part of God, and another lad from the same area got the part of Our > Lord.* *Everything was going fine, until, half-way through,* *"God", who > was up later than usual the night before, taken up with practicing his part > in the play, started to fall asleep. Looking up, "Our Lord" spotted "God" > falling asleep. "Will you wake up out of that, boy"* *shouted "Our Lord" > at "God" who, I'm telling you, woke up fairly fast.* *There is no doubt > about it but "Our Lord" keeps "God" on his toes up in Tipperary !!* > *----- Riobard.* > > > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)*

Re: Rohane McCarthy <<<Terrance, Rohane is, what we call here, just a Branch-name of the McCarthys ---- such as McCarthy(Strock), McCarthy(Bawnee). I have sent my research work, in which you can find the answers to all those questions, on to the huge N.E.H.G.S. Library in Boston. ----- Riobard. >>>> Explaining the custom is precisely what I needed. ..... I think you once wrote something to the effect that inquiring about a McCarthy or a Sullivan from Castletownbere would, in a sense, asking about a Sullivan or McCarthy in New York. I understood the concept that Castletownbere could refer to anywhere on the Beara, but had not thought about the need for various branches... so, thank you for that explanayion. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 84 Today's Topics: 1. Re: new McCarthy Beara query (Riobard O' Dwyer) 2. Re: new McCarthy Beara query (Riobard O' Dwyer) 3. Re: BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 (terrance) 4. Butte visitors. (Riobard O' Dwyer) 5. Re: BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 (Riobard O' Dwyer) 6. Re: Butte visitors. (Dianna Porter) 7. Re: Two more stories. (Riobard O' Dwyer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:19:27 +0000 From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 In answer to Terrance's question: "Is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane ?" The answer is "No". Tradition has it that this section of McCarthys in Beara came originally from the district of Carrigrohane, which is very close to Cork City. The surname McCarthy in Gaelic, Mac Carthaigh, means son of Carthach {Mac in Gaelic means SON]. Carthach, from whom the name originated, was King of Cashel [Co. Tipperary] around 1040 A.D. ----- Riobard. On 23 March 2013 01:25, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is very > puzzling: > see page 1145 volume II > MCCARTHY (WEAVER) > > (BALLYCROVANE) > > Back in the 1840?s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy > Rohane. Denis went ?cliamhain isteach? to a small part of the Hanley farm > when he married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. > Timothy Rohane married Catherine O?Sullivan. They were parents of Denny > (the Weaver) McCarthy. > > > > The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of Timothy > Rohane and Catherine O?Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? > > > > > > GRMMA, > > > > Terrance O?Dwyer > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:31:15 +0000 From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Terrance, I haven't seen any other question. The O'Dwyers are mighty people for asking questions !! ----- Riobard. On 23 March 2013 12:19, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: > In answer to Terrance's question: "Is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane ?" > The > answer is "No". Tradition has it that this section of McCarthys in Beara > came originally from the district of Carrigrohane, which is very close to > Cork City. The surname McCarthy in Gaelic, Mac Carthaigh, means son of > Carthach {Mac in Gaelic means SON]. Carthach, from whom the name > originated, was King of Cashel [Co. Tipperary] around 1040 A.D. > ----- Riobard. > > On 23 March 2013 01:25, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is very > > puzzling: > > see page 1145 volume II > > MCCARTHY (WEAVER) > > > > (BALLYCROVANE) > > > > Back in the 1840?s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy > > Rohane. Denis went ?cliamhain isteach? to a small part of the Hanley > > farm > > when he married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. > > Timothy Rohane married Catherine O?Sullivan. They were parents of Denny > > (the Weaver) McCarthy. > > > > > > > > The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of > Timothy > > Rohane and Catherine O?Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? > > > > > > > > > > > > GRMMA, > > > > > > > > Terrance O?Dwyer > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 09:42:15 -0500 From: "terrance" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original This is fascinating, and consequently, the mighty questions continue: So, is it correct to conclude that the name Rohane presumes McCarthy? .... in some sense, was this like the adding or dropping the O', as in Dwyer & O'Dwyer? And, might other names have used Rohane? Might Murphy or Sullivan. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 Today's Topics: 1. new McCarthy Beara query (terrance) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 20:25:35 -0500 From: "terrance" <[email protected]> Subject: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query To: "Beara" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is very puzzling: see page 1145 volume II MCCARTHY (WEAVER) (BALLYCROVANE) Back in the 1840?s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy Rohane. Denis went ?cliamhain isteach? to a small part of the Hanley farm when he married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. Timothy Rohane married Catherine O?Sullivan. They were parents of Denny (the Weaver) McCarthy. The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of Timothy Rohane and Catherine O?Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? GRMMA, Terrance O?Dwyer ------------------------------ To contact the BEARA list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the BEARA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 ************************************ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:38:39 +0000 From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> Subject: [BEARA] Butte visitors. To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 *In middle of "spilling" rain, a party of 6 lovely people from Butte, Montana, led by Jim Barry, arrived at my door yesterday evening. As usual, I invited them in with a heart and a half. They were there to meet me. I hope that good people mightn't get the impression from all my research that I am a first cousin to Our Lord !!. Anyhow, we had a great evening. Being from Butte, there always is a particular welcome for visitors from that part of Montana to which many, many, many, workers from most parts of Bearawho worked in the copper mines in Allihies emigrated when work here in the local copper mines slackened off. Many of those miners used bring some earth from Beara to the mines of Butte in case they would never again see Beara. and the earth would be placed on their graves in memory of our Peninsula from which they came. After giving them a cead mile failte (= a hundred thousand welcomes) in Beara style, we all sat down to a most interesting evening's entertainment. I remember many of the people from Butte, while I was there, meeting such as Fr. Sarsfield O'Sullivan and his sister Vernie, John "the Yank" Harrington, Tom Mulcahy, Nealie Healy (from Barrakilla, Ardgroom) and his wife, Tracey Thornton, Ellen Crain, and many other fine helpful people who couldn't have been nicer to Joan and myself. I was in Butte many years ago making, with Fr. Sars, the Film "From Beara to Butte" about the copper miners who emigrated to Butte from Beara. I told them --- Jim and the people who were with him --- about the evening when I had a great session with "the Yank" (who lived to be over 100) playing his single-row melodion and me with my accordion ---- the two of us lifting the roof with jigs, reels and hornpipes; the story of when I was walking down a street in Butte when a man came up to me and asked "Are you the guy who was in the newspaper yesterday ?" "How do you know ?" says I. "Well" says he,"the map of Ireland is written all over your face !!"; and about the day "the Yank" & I were playing our Irish music on the aeroplane terrace in Butte. A big c rowd were around us. An air hostess must have heard us, because, when I got on the aeroplane to travel on, she asked me if I would play my accordion for the passengers, so, on the flight, my accordion was taken out and I entertained the passengers with plenty traditional Irish music all the way from Butte to Salt Lake City. I told them then about the Siege of the oldCastle in Dunboy near Castletownbere wh ich was destroyed when an English army of a few thousand men attacked the garrison of 143 in the Castle in the year 1601. I showed them a cannon ball which was dug from the ruins of the Castle by a Cork archaeologist some years ago when he was excavating. And then. of course, I took out my accordion and played some lively Irish traditional music for them. After about an hour enjoying themselves with us, I told them about the museum further west in Allihies (to which they headed) which shows many things associated with the local copper mines and the miners who later emigrated to Butte. They also spent a most interesting hour there as well. Despite the lashing rain, they headed back to Killarney waving heartily to Joan and myself standing in our door and sprinkling a drop of Holy water after them for a safe journey. ---- Riobard. * ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:55:31 +0000 From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Terrance, Rohane is, what we call here, just a Branch-name of the McCarthys ---- such as McCarthy(Strock), McCarthy(Bawnee). I have sent my research work, in which you can find the answers to all those questions, on to the huge N.E.H.G.S. Library in Boston. ----- Riobard. On 23 March 2013 14:42, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > This is fascinating, and consequently, the mighty questions continue: So, > is it correct to conclude that the name Rohane presumes McCarthy? .... in > some sense, was this like the adding or dropping the O', as in Dwyer & > O'Dwyer? And, might other names have used Rohane? Might Murphy or > Sullivan. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:00 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. new McCarthy Beara query (terrance) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 20:25:35 -0500 > From: "terrance" <[email protected]> > Subject: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query > To: "Beara" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is very > puzzling: > see page 1145 volume II > MCCARTHY (WEAVER) > > (BALLYCROVANE) > > Back in the 1840?s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy > Rohane. > Denis went ?cliamhain isteach? to a small part of the Hanley farm when he > married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. Timothy > Rohane married Catherine O?Sullivan. They were parents of Denny (the > Weaver) > McCarthy. > > > > The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of Timothy > Rohane and Catherine O?Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? > > > > > > GRMMA, > > > > Terrance O?Dwyer > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the BEARA list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the BEARA mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 > ************************************ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 09:41:46 -0600 From: Dianna Porter <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Butte visitors. To: beara riobard <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am sure one of their favorite memories when they return will be of spending time with you and Joan. I know that is how it is with our family members who have met you. You and Joan are family treasures for many of us. Dianna PorterButte > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:38:39 +0000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BEARA] Butte visitors. > > *In middle of "spilling" rain, a party of 6 lovely people from Butte, > Montana, led by Jim Barry, arrived at my door yesterday evening. As usual, > I invited them in with a heart and a half. They were there to meet me. I > hope that good people mightn't get the impression from all my research > that > I am a first cousin to Our Lord !!. Anyhow, we had a great evening. Being > from Butte, there always is a particular welcome for visitors from that > part of Montana to which many, many, many, workers from most parts of > Bearawho worked in the copper > mines in Allihies emigrated when work here in the local copper mines > slackened off. Many of those miners used bring some earth from Beara to > the > mines of Butte in case they would never again see Beara. and the earth > would be placed on their graves in memory of our Peninsula from which they > came. After giving them a cead mile failte (= a hundred thousand welcomes) > in Beara style, we all sat down to a most interesting evening's > entertainment. > I remember many of the people from Butte, while I was there, meeting such > as Fr. Sarsfield O'Sullivan and his sister Vernie, John "the Yank" > Harrington, Tom Mulcahy, Nealie Healy (from Barrakilla, Ardgroom) and his > wife, Tracey Thornton, Ellen Crain, and many other fine helpful people who > couldn't have been nicer to Joan and myself. I was in Butte many years ago > making, with Fr. Sars, the Film "From Beara to Butte" about the copper > miners who emigrated to Butte from Beara. I told them --- Jim and the > people who were with him --- about the evening when I had a great session > with "the Yank" (who lived to be over 100) playing his single-row melodion > and me with my accordion ---- the two of us lifting the roof with jigs, > reels and hornpipes; the story of when I was walking down a street in > Butte > when a man came up to me and asked "Are you the guy who was in the > newspaper yesterday ?" "How do you know ?" says I. "Well" says he,"the map > of Ireland is written all over your face !!"; and about the day "the Yank" > & I were playing our Irish music on the aeroplane terrace in Butte. A big > c > rowd were around us. An air hostess must have heard us, because, when I > got > on the aeroplane to travel on, she asked me if I would play my accordion > for the passengers, so, on the flight, my accordion was taken out and I > entertained the passengers with plenty traditional Irish music all the way > from Butte to Salt Lake City. I told them then about the Siege of the > oldCastle in Dunboy near Castletownbere wh > ich was destroyed when an English army of a few thousand men attacked the > garrison of 143 in the Castle in the year 1601. I showed them a cannon > ball > which was dug from the ruins of the Castle by a Cork archaeologist some > years ago when he was excavating. And then. of course, I took out my > accordion and played some lively Irish traditional music for them. After > about an hour enjoying themselves with us, I told them about the museum > further west in Allihies (to which they headed) which shows many things > associated with the local copper mines and the miners who later emigrated > to Butte. They also spent a most interesting hour there as well. Despite > the lashing rain, they headed back to Killarney waving heartily to Joan > and > myself standing in our door and sprinkling a drop of Holy water after them > for a safe journey. > ---- Riobard. > * > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 18:52:49 +0000 From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] Two more stories. To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 23 March 2013 18:50, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: > *Joan's uncle Dan in Butte was a bit of a character. He was a Copper > Miner there. One time, when he had gathered a few dollars, he decided to > bring a few of his relatives out for a meal in a local restaurant. They > had got about half-way in the meal when Dan felt that the food he was > getting wasn't up to standard. So, up he got and ordered his relatives > out of the restaurant. Dan was the last heading out the door when the > owner, who saw this happening, jumped off the stairs and landed on Dan's > back. After a bit of a tussle, Dan escaped without paying for the "grub". > Times were tough in Butte those days, but Dan was well-able to look after > himself.* > *Now, on to Co. Tipperary. One of my grandsons, Dannie, aged just* *5 > years of age, was in a school play*.* In it were other boys of the same > age.* *They were acting God, Our Lord, and the 12 Apostles*. *Dannie got > the part of God, and another lad from the same area got the part of Our > Lord.* *Everything was going fine, until, half-way through,* *"God", who > was up later than usual the night before, taken up with practicing his > part > in the play, started to fall asleep. Looking up, "Our Lord" spotted "God" > falling asleep. "Will you wake up out of that, boy"* *shouted "Our Lord" > at "God" who, I'm telling you, woke up fairly fast.* *There is no doubt > about it but "Our Lord" keeps "God" on his toes up in Tipperary !!* > *----- Riobard.* > > > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------ To contact the BEARA list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the BEARA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 84 ************************************

Terrance, Rohane is, what we call here, just a Branch-name of the McCarthys ---- such as McCarthy(Strock), McCarthy(Bawnee). I have sent my research work, in which you can find the answers to all those questions, on to the huge N.E.H.G.S. Library in Boston. ----- Riobard. On 23 March 2013 14:42, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > This is fascinating, and consequently, the mighty questions continue: So, > is it correct to conclude that the name Rohane presumes McCarthy? .... in > some sense, was this like the adding or dropping the O', as in Dwyer & > O'Dwyer? And, might other names have used Rohane? Might Murphy or Sullivan. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:00 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. new McCarthy Beara query (terrance) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 20:25:35 -0500 > From: "terrance" <[email protected]> > Subject: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query > To: "Beara" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is very > puzzling: > see page 1145 volume II > MCCARTHY (WEAVER) > > (BALLYCROVANE) > > Back in the 1840?s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy > Rohane. > Denis went ?cliamhain isteach? to a small part of the Hanley farm when he > married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. Timothy > Rohane married Catherine O?Sullivan. They were parents of Denny (the > Weaver) > McCarthy. > > > > The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of Timothy > Rohane and Catherine O?Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? > > > > > > GRMMA, > > > > Terrance O?Dwyer > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the BEARA list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the BEARA mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 83 > ************************************ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)*