I'm looking for any descendents of Noble Newnan Beall, DOB 1829, DOD 1910 in GA. Gregory Platt <>< Isaiah 40:8

Sources? Documentation? Charles Boice (Gandy-Jacob-Pottenger-Beall)

Thank you Carrie, That is very interesting. I have some answers on my question about the Three Sarah BEALLS. Greg says that this is well known info: Samuel Magruder, who married Sarah BEALL, was b. in 1654 in Prince Geroges County, MD. He d. three on April 16, 1711. His wife Sarah was b. about 1658 in Scotland, and d. in Prince Georges County in 1734. She was the sister of Mary BEALL who m. John Pottenger. There was another Sarah BEALL who was b. in 1636 who was the sister of Ninian. she may have been the one who m. my Frances WATTS. Ninian did not have a dau. Sarah by his second marriage. In fact some prof. genealogists are certain that the Col. Ninian BEALL only was m. in America to Ruth MOORE and was not the same Ninian who m. Elizabeth GORDON. Bill BEALL of the BEALL Genealogical News was said to say that Col. Ninian was not the father of Sarah Beall Magruder. Greg has the marriage date of Alexander BEALL and Margaret RAMSEY as May 21, 1646. It is such a confusing family because there were so many people intermarring and using same first names while being born near the same times. Thanks again.

Hi All and Laurie Ann, I've been lurking on the list for a little while after I signed off early this fall....I missed the controversy and challenge of the Bealls...and I'm still looking for the father of James d. 1795. Here's the lineage of James who married Ann Pottenger, dau. of Robert and Ann Evans as I have it-- 1 Alexander BEALL (abt 1621 - ) b. abt 1621, St. Andrews, Fifeshire, Scotland & Margaret RAMSAY b. St. Andrews, Fifeshire, Scotland m. 21 May 1646, St. Andrew's, Fifeshire, Scotland | 1a Alexander BEALL* (1649 - 1744) | b. 1649, St. Andrews, Fifeshire, Scotland | d. 1744, Prince George's Co., MD | & UNKNOWN | m. abt 1684 | | 1 Ninian Of Alexander BEALL (1686 - abt 1771/1772) | | d. abt 1771/1772, Frederick County, MD | | & Ruth ( - aft 1749) | | | 1 James BEALL (abt 1713 - 1780) | | | d. 1780, Montgomery Co., MD | | | & Ann POTTENGER (1736 - 1787) Will of James Beall of Ninian (Liber A., folio 283), names wife Ann executrix. "I, James Beall of Ninian, planter, of Montgomery County, Maryland, give to my brother, Robert, my negro boy, John; to brother Benjamin's children, viz., Lloyd, Ninian, Cephus and Nancy, I50, after the death of wife, estate to be sold. One third to be paid to brother Robert, and two thirds to my nephews and nieces. Certified by: Made April 17,1778. Probated May 22,1780. Thomas TURNER, Register of Wills." from Albert S. Edwards book-- Albert S. Edwards, Historical Sketches of the Beall and Edwards Families, W.W. Rokker, Printer and Binder, 1910. Roberta Hull is a frequent contributor to the Beall Genealogical News and spends the spring in MD every year to research the early Bealls..the snarliest family going. I don't even attempt to understand just how she figures out who's who, but she's got a a pretty good grip on the Bealls. I believe she follows the land transactions in order to sort them all out 'tho she quotes all kinds of sources from the MD State Archives as well; she's quite convincing. Bill Beall, publisher of the Beall Genealogical News (available at a modest $12 per year) can be reached at: Beall Genealogical News PO Box 33918 Portland, OR 97292-3918 From your email: John Bowie, Jr. married Elizabeth Pottinger. She was born in 1717, and was the daughter of Dr. Robert Pottinger and Ann Evans, his wife. The latter couple were married in 1716. In 1737 Dr. Pottinger deeded to his son-in-law, John Bowie, "on account of my love and affection for him, " a large plantation in Queen Anne Parish. This added to the land given him by his father, and that received by his first wife, which she inherited from her father, and also located on Collington Branch, made John Bowie, Jr., an extensive land-owner.... Hmmm, Elizabeth Pottinger inherited land on Collington Branch, eh. Well the Big Cheese Colonel Ninian (1625-1717) owned land on Collington Branch which he willed to his grandson Samuel, so the Pottengers were neighbors to the Bealls... From Jack Day's database: Col Ninian's will, 1717 (PGW WB6:504) gave to George: Rock of Dunbarton, 480 acres; Andrew Hambleton [husband of dau. Mary], negro woman Alie; Mary, dau of son, Ninian, deceased, part of Bacon Hall; Samuel, son of Ninian, deceased, Mill on Collington Branch and rest of Bacon Hall; Joseph Belt, part of "Good Luck", 243 acres; Charles. Book of Bishop Cooper's works and 1000 acres lying on the south side of the Choptank River called Dunn Back (Danby?); Granddaughter Mary and Samuel, to be brought up according to their station. Another reference to Collington in Jack's database is: Samuel Beall, Sr, b. 1706 (age 70 in 1776) of Ninian, Jr [1669]. At father's death in 1710 awarded part of plantation Bacon Hall, also Water Mill with stones on Collington Branch in grandfather's and father's will; also iron works, houses and material on Collington Branch. Brought up by mother and stepfather William Beall. A Nov. 1996 iteration of Jack's database is available from my Simms Family page...daymega.zip, as I recall. I'm sure Jack's been updating his database now that it's a year later. Email him at Jackson H. Day <TDHM26A@prodigy.com> I don't have a Bowie in my database, but I'll bet Roberta Hull knows something about Mary Beall Bowie... Roberta Hull 4424 E. Delta Mesa, AZ 85206 Catch her now before she goes on the road. My Beall line is GGG Grandfather Claiborne Simms m. Mary Ann Beall of Basil of James of (maybe) Nathaniel of James of Alexander m. Margaret Ramsey. Thanks for the info, Lisa Simms Surnames of Greatest Interest--Simms, Beall, Horrocks, Clark, Wright My Simms Family: http://www.world.std.com/~lsimms/simms1.html

Hello, Cheryl. This is the family I'm talking about. My question is who did Catherine, the daughter of James and Margaret Edmonston Beall marry--my ancestor, Charles Lovelace, or his brother Isaac? Thanks for any help you can give me. Karen cjackson wrote: > > I have a James Beall b. 2-5-1651 in Scotland married to Sarah Pierce. they > had a James Beall b. abt 1698 died 1783 and married a Margaret Edmonston > ( daughter of Archibald and Jane Beall). > > Archibald Edmonston had (I Think) > James Edmonston m. Mary Beall > Mary Ann Edmonstron m. James Beall ( son of James b. 1672, Maryland and Sarah, > grandson of John and Jeanat Oliphant) > Archilbald Edmonston, Jr m. Dorothy Brooke > Eleanor Edmonston m. Edward Offutt > Jane Edmonston m. William Smith > Ruth Edmonston m. John Orme > Martha Edmonston m. John Allen > Thomas Edmonston m. Ruth Offutt > Margaret Edmonston m. James Beall ( son of James and Sarah Pierce, and grand son > of > Alexander and Margaret Ramsey Beall) > > This would make Archilbald have 2 sons in laws by the name of James Beall > > This is from the Edmonston section on the Colonial Families of America Book. I > don't have the hard copy any more we moved 2000 miles and boxes disappeared. > > Cheryl > > > > In a message dated 98-01-03 01:03:18 EST, you write: > > > > << Catherine Beall was the daughter of James Beall (1698-1793) and Margaret > > Edmonston. The records I've seen (DAR; DAC; Gaither book; various Beall > > books) indicate that she married my ancestor, Charles Lovelace. > > >> Karen, > >

Hi Karen McClendon & Cheryl Jackson, Thanks for the info on the Archibald Edmonston (1670-1734) and wife Jane Beall (born after 1675). I did have most of their children in my computer, but not connected as their children. With your data I was able to connect all their children that married a Beall. Upon connection the children, I find a little additional information that may help you in some way. Daughter Jane Edmonston (1715-1750) who married General Samuel Beall (1706-1777) had a son named Zachariah Beall (1743-1817), who married Rebecca Tyson in 1773. Gen. Samuel Beall was the son of Ninian Beall, Jr. (1674-1734), who married Elizabeth Magruder (1689-1764). Daughter, Mary Ann Edmonston (1703) married James Beall (1698-1733) who was the son of James Beall (1652-1725) who married Sarah Pierce. You show the father were Alexander Beall. I don't know where I got the info I show, as I have received data from many wonderful people and have not taken the care to post the source. Son, James Edmonston (1698-1753) married Mary Beall, the daughter of Ninian Beall, Jr. I show that this Mary Beall was the sister of General Samuel Beall (1706-1777) mentioned above as the husband of Jane Edmonston. I also show another brother, George Beall born 1729. I did show Margaret as the wife of James Beall (1698-1793), but I did not show a maiden name, and did not have her connected with her parents. Unfortuantely I do not show any children for James and Margaret Beall, which was the line you were researching, as I understand your message. You show James as the son of Robert Beall. I show that James was the son of Robert Beall born in County Perth, Scotland married to Margaret. Cheryl, I notice you show this James Beall was the son of James and Sarah Pierce Beall. Do you have any documentation for this relationship? Which is correct? Thanks again for helping me connect these Edmonston children. Tom Green TBGreen3@aol.com

I have a James Beall b. 2-5-1651 in Scotland married to Sarah Pierce. they had a James Beall b. abt 1698 died 1783 and married a Margaret Edmonston ( daughter of Archibald and Jane Beall). Archibald Edmonston had (I Think) James Edmonston m. Mary Beall Mary Ann Edmonstron m. James Beall ( son of James b. 1672, Maryland and Sarah, grandson of John and Jeanat Oliphant) Archilbald Edmonston, Jr m. Dorothy Brooke Eleanor Edmonston m. Edward Offutt Jane Edmonston m. William Smith Ruth Edmonston m. John Orme Martha Edmonston m. John Allen Thomas Edmonston m. Ruth Offutt Margaret Edmonston m. James Beall ( son of James and Sarah Pierce, and grand son of Alexander and Margaret Ramsey Beall) This would make Archilbald have 2 sons in laws by the name of James Beall This is from the Edmonston section on the Colonial Families of America Book. I don't have the hard copy any more we moved 2000 miles and boxes disappeared. Cheryl TBGreen3 wrote: > In a message dated 98-01-03 01:03:18 EST, you write: > > << Catherine Beall was the daughter of James Beall (1698-1793) and Margaret > Edmonston. The records I've seen (DAR; DAC; Gaither book; various Beall > books) indicate that she married my ancestor, Charles Lovelace. > >> > Hi Karen, > > I would never discourage anyone from researching the Beall family, as it is a > very interesting family to research. However, I don't show a Margaret > Edmonston in my computer. I do show the Ednmonston family starting with Col. > Archibald Edmonston, born 1670 who married Jane Beall, the daughter of Col. > Ninian Beall and his second wife, Ruth Moore. I show that Archibald and Jane > Beall Edmonston had a daughter named Mary Ann who married James Beall, born > 1698, who had Rachel, James, Jane, Samuel, Robert, Alexander, Archibald, > Allen, Thomas, and Charity Beall. > > Sorry but I do not show a Catherine Beall. This doesn't mean there wasn't > one, just that I do not show one! I will post my reply to the Beall List in > hopes that someone will be better able to assist you. > > Good Luck, > > Tom Green > TBGreen3@aol.com

FYI Page 385 Generation 1 - Henry I, King of England, d 1135 married Matilda of Scotland Generation 2 - (Illegitimate by _________) Elizabeth married Fergus Lord of Galloway Generation 3 - Uchtred of Galloway married Gunnild of Dunbar, a descendant of Etheldred II the Unready, King of England, d 1016, see AR7, lines 38, 34 Generation 4 - Roland, Lord of Galloway married Elena De Morville Generation 5 - Alan, Lord of Galloway married _____ de Lacy Generation 6 - Helen of Galloway married Roger de Qunicy, 2nd Earl of Winchester, a descendant of Henry I, King of France, d 1060, see AR7, line 53 Generation 7 - Elizabeth de Quincy married Alexander Comyn, 2nd Earl of Buchan Generation 8 - Elizabeth Comyn married Gilbert de Umfreville, 1st Earl of Angus Generation 9 - Robert de Umfreville, 2nd Earl of Angus married Eleanor ___________ Generation 10 - Thomas de Umfreville married Joan de Roddam Generation 11 - Sir Thomas de Umfreville married Agnes (de Gray?) Generation 12 - Elizabeth de Umfreville married Sir William Elmeden Generation 13 - Joan Elmeden married Thomas Forster Generation 14 - Thomas Forster married Elizabeth de Etherstone Generation 15 - Thomas Forster married _______ Fetherstonhaugh Generation 16 - Sir Roger Forster married Joan Hussey Generation 17 - Thomas Forster married Margaret Browning Generation 18 - Sir Thomas Forster married Susan Foster Generation 19 - Susan Forster married Thomas Brooke Generation 20 - ROBERT BROOKE, acting governor of Maryland married 1st - MARY BAKER; 2nd - Mary Mainwaring Generation 21 - (by 1) Thomas Brooke married Eleanor Hatton Generation 22 - Thomas Brooke Jr. married Anne _________ Generation 23 - Thomas Brooke III married Lucy Smith Generation 24 - Mary Brooke married Peter Dent Generation 25 - Peter Dent, Jr. married Mary Eleanor _______ I know that many Beall descendants are also descendant of Robert Brooke and Mary Baker. I though they would love to see this. Cary Schooling Campbell

In a message dated 98-01-04 10:13:37 EST, you write: << I've got a few Pottenger's in my database, but no dau. Elizabeth to Robert. Got 2 Roberts: ------------ Name: Robert POTTENGER Spouses 1: Ann EVANS Children: Ann POTTENGER (1736-1787) Birth: 1736 Death: 1787 Father: Robert POTTENGER Mother: Ann EVANS Spouses 1: James BEALL Birth: abt 1713 Death: 1780 Montgomery Co., MD Source: R. Hull's Alexander List Father: Ninian Sr. Of Alexander BEALL (1686-~1771) Mother: Ruth (->1749) --------------------- Name: Robert Potenger Birth: Feb 1694 Death: 5 Jun 1738 Father: John Potenger (-~1735) Mother: Mary Of James BEALL ------------------ Anyone look familiar? There's a Pottenger/Beall debate that rages every few months because there are sources out there in the world which link Mary of James to Colonel Ninian (the big cheese.) >> ============== HI Lisa... Yes... this looks familiar, but here's what I have on Robert Pottenger.. The Bowie's and Their Kindred, by Walter Worthington Bowie, pg 26-27. ...Some time in 1733, Mrs. Bowie died (Mary Beall Bowie), leaving a son and daughter. December 18, 1735, John Bowie, Jr. married Elizabeth Pottinger. She was born in 1717, and was the daughter of Dr. Robert Pottinger and Ann Evans, his wife. The latter couple were married in 1716. In 1737 Dr. Pottinger deeded to his son-in-law, John Bowie, "on account of my love and affection for him, " a large plantation in Queen Anne Parish. This added to the land given him by his father, and that received by his first wife, which she inherited from her father, and also located on Collington Branch, made John Bowie, Jr., an extensive land-owner.... ==== And, for Ann Evans: Ref: Maryland Calendar of Wills 1767-1772 Volume 14, Family Line Publications, Westminster, Maryland 1993. (Located at the Bradenton Central Library, Bradenton, FL 11-29-1997). POTTENGER, ANN, Prince George's Co., widow. 18 May, 1767 3 Feb, 1768 Children: Elizabeth Cramphin, Ann Beall wife of James Beall, Rachel Magruder wife of Zadock Magruder, Eleanor MacGill wife of Thomas MacGill and Mary Congrove. Grandchildren: Robert Pottenger, son of Robert; Allen and John Bowie; Robert Cramphin; Ann and Rachel Pottenger, children of Robert; Basil Cramphin, Richard Pottinger Cramphin, sons of Elizabeth; Elizabeth and Sarah Smith, daus. of Mary. Bro: Samuel Evans; sister: Priscilla MacClain. I bequeath 25 lbs. to build a wall of brick or stone around the graveyard on plantation where I live. Ex: Thomas MacGill. Wit: John Kinsgbury, Thomas Cramphin, Jr. 36. 361 ========== Here's the info I have (with your info included ....Thank You !).. Descendants of JOHN POTTENGER 1 JOHN POTTENGER b: Jul-17-1662 in England d: Apr-7-1735 in Collington Branch, Queen Anne's Parish, MD .. +Elizabeth Hawkins m: Bef. 1684 *2nd Wife of JOHN POTTENGER: .. +MARY BEALL b: Abt. 1658 in Scotland d: Abt. 1720 in Prince George's County, MD m: Abt. 1685 in MD .. 2 Sarah Pottenger b: Jul-20-1688 d: Aft. 1743 ....... +Richard Isaac .. 2 Mary Pottenger b: Oct-22-1689 ....... +William Holmes, Sr. b: 1690 in Prince George's County, MD d: Abt. 1740 in Prince George's County, MD m: May-8-1711 ....... 3 William Holmes, Jr. b: Abt. 1714 in Prince George's County, MD d: Apr-1758 in Frederick Co., MD .. 2 John Pottenger b: Aug-20-1691 d: Bef. 1735 ....... +Sarah Marshall .. 2 Samuel Pottenger b: Apr-11-1693 d: Mar-27-1742 ....... +Elizabeth Tyler b: Sep-22-1701 m: Jul-11-1717 ....... 3 Samuel Pottenger b: 1718 d: Dec-31-1820 ........... +Eleanor Willett ............ 4 Jemina Pottenger ................ +John Gilkey ............ 4 Elizabeth Pottenger ................ +David Gilkey ............ 4 Samuel Simmons Pottenger b: 1762 in Prince George's County, MD d: 1827 in Nelson Co., KY ................ +Susan Winthrow m: Mar-17-1791 ............ 4 Sarah Pottenger ................ +SarahPottengersHusband Robbins ............ *2nd Husband of Sarah Pottenger: ................ +James Winthrow ............ 4 Eleanor Pottenger ................ +John Robbins ............ *2nd Husband of Eleanor Pottenger: ................ +J. Dowdall ............ 4 Nancy Pottenger ................ +Charles Swearington ............ 4 Thomas Pottenger b: 1771 d: 1813 ................ +Elizabeth Kinkade m: 1795-1796 ....... 3 Robert Pottenger b: Sep-23-1729 d: Abt. 1778 ........... +Elizabeth Willett m: Feb-19-1753 ....... 3 John Pottenger ........... +Johns1stWifeSarah Pottenger ....... *2nd Wife of John Pottenger: ........... +JohnPottengers2ndWifeMary Pottenger ....... 3 Susanna Pottenger ........... +Richard Simmons ....... 3 Elizabeth Pottenger ........... +James Baldwin ....... 3 Jemima Pottenger ........... +Henry Childs ....... 3 Mary Pottenger b: WFT Est. 1696-1719 d: WFT Est. 1739-1808 ........... +James Mullikin b: Mar-5-1710 in Prince George Co., MD d: WFT Est. 1740-1801 m: Oct-31-1734 in Prince George Co., MD ....... 3 Priscilla Pottenger .. 2 ROBERT POTTINGER, DR. b: Feb-25-1694 in 1693/4 d: Abt. May-1738 ....... +RobertsFirstWifeRachel POTTENGER ....... 3 Robert Pottinger ............ 4 Robert Pottinger d: Bef. May-18-1767 in Not in g-ma Ann Evans Pottenger's Will dtd May 18, 1767. ............ 4 Ann Pottinger ............ 4 Rachel Pottinger ....... 3 Rachel Pottenger ........... +Zadock Magruder ....... *2nd Husband of Rachel Pottenger: ........... +William Bowie, Jr. b: 1730 in Upper Marlborough, Maryland d: 1753 m: 1751 ............ 4 William Bowie III b: 1752 d: Sep-17-1809 ................ +Ursula Burgess d: Jul-11-1824 m: 1776 .. *2nd Wife of ROBERT POTTINGER, DR.: ....... +ANN EVANS d: Abt. Jan-1768 in will drawn 5-18-1767, probated 2-3-1768 m: 1716 ....... 3 ELIZABETH POTTENGER b: 1717 d: 1775 in Bur. in Rock Creek Cemetery, Frederick Co.?,MD ........... +THOMAS CRAMPHIN d: Aft. Oct-26-1759 in According to mother's Will (made 10-26-1759) ............ 4 Robert Cramphin b: 1757 d: Bef. 1767 in Not in g-ma Ann Evans Pottenger's Will dtd May 18, 1767. ............ 4 Basil Cramphin b: 1759 ............ 4 Richard Pottinger Cramphin b: 1760 ....... *2nd Husband of ELIZABETH POTTENGER: ........... +JOHN BOWIE, JR. b: 1708 in "Brookwood" (A Bowie Estate), Nottingham District, Prince George's Co., MD d: 1753 in Said to be buried at Thorpland, Pg 27 of The Bowie's and Their Kindred. m: Dec-18-1735 ............ 4 ALLEN BOWIE, Col., JR. b: 1737 in Near Upper Marlborough, MD-2 dates-Bowie book pg 28 Mar 1803, pg 60 May 28, 1803 d: Mar-28-1803 in Rockville Cemetery, Prince George's Co., MD ................ +RUTH CRAMPHIN b: Aug-30-1742 d: Aug-14-1812 in Rockville Cemetery, Prince George's Co., MD m: Dec-28-1766 ............ 4 James Bowie b: Abt. 1739 in Maryland ................ +Jeannie Mirabeau m: 1760 in SC ............ 4 John Bowie, Rev. b: Abt. 1744 in "Thorpland", Prince Georges County, Maryland d: Sep-3-1801 ................ +Margaret Dallas b: in Inverness, Scotland ............ 4 JohnsInfant4 Bowie b: Abt. 1745 d: Abt. 1745 ....... 3 Ann Pottenger b: 1736 d: 1787 ........... +James Beall b: Abt. 1713 d: 1780 in Montgomery Co., MD ....... 3 Eleanor Pottenger ........... +Thomas McGill ....... 3 Mary Pottenger ........... +MaryPottengersHusband Congrove ............ 4 Elizabeth Congrove ............ 4 Sarah Congrove ................ +SarahConroveHusband Smith .. 2 Rachel Pottenger b: Jun-20-1700 ....... +Richard Purnell .. 2 Jemima Pottenger b: Oct-2-1702 .. 2 William Pottenger b: May-3-1704 d: 1728 ....... +Rachel Prather b: Abt. 1706 in Prince George Co., MD d: WFT Est. 1738-1800 m: Abt. 1726 in MD .. 2 Verlinda Pottenger b: Oct-18-1706 ....... +Zephaniah Wade *3rd Wife of JOHN POTTENGER: .. +Elizabeth Magruder m: Abt. 1707 =========== Could u tell me the rest of the info on the R. Hull's Alexander List..? Publisher, and date of publication? Guess this is one I'd love to see. I have Ninian Beall b. 1625 d. 1717 m. (Bef. 1657) Elizabeth Gordon and they had Mary Beall who m. John Pottenger, Esther Beall, and Sarah Beall. But, don't have an accurate reference for this as I got it off the FTM web site. So, I won't believe it till I SEE IT in PRINT. Do u have any of this info in your references ? Source: R. Hull's Alexander List Father: Ninian Sr. Of Alexander BEALL (1686-~1771) Mother: Ruth (->1749) --------------------- Well.... any other info would certainly help ! And, how's the Robert related to u ? Are we cuzzies ???? Thanx so much ! Hope the references I provided help you, too ! Laurie Ann (Kozelka) Bieber Sarasota, FL

Hi All.. I just joined the Beall list and am a member of many other lists including the Bowie's. I would love to have someone clarify some info I found on the web, so I know that I have the right Ninian Beall, as one list of Wills I have in MD reflects at least a dozen Ninian Beall's! Here's my info & the Elizabeth Pottinger dau of Robert Pottinger (gee....always spelled various ways, like many other surnames back then).... m. John Bowie, Jr. (my 5th g-gparents). I would like to know a couple great references for this info... Any help would sure be appreciated & I'd like to find out (if my info IS in fact correct) how far back this Beall line goes (and is documented), as I have the Bowie's > Mullikin > Prather/Prater to King Charlemagne b. 742 ad. Thanx bunches.... ! Happy New Year !!! Laurie Ann (Kozelka) Bieber Sarasota, FL

In a message dated 98-01-03 01:03:18 EST, you write: << Catherine Beall was the daughter of James Beall (1698-1793) and Margaret Edmonston. The records I've seen (DAR; DAC; Gaither book; various Beall books) indicate that she married my ancestor, Charles Lovelace. >> Hi Karen, I would never discourage anyone from researching the Beall family, as it is a very interesting family to research. However, I don't show a Margaret Edmonston in my computer. I do show the Ednmonston family starting with Col. Archibald Edmonston, born 1670 who married Jane Beall, the daughter of Col. Ninian Beall and his second wife, Ruth Moore. I show that Archibald and Jane Beall Edmonston had a daughter named Mary Ann who married James Beall, born 1698, who had Rachel, James, Jane, Samuel, Robert, Alexander, Archibald, Allen, Thomas, and Charity Beall. Sorry but I do not show a Catherine Beall. This doesn't mean there wasn't one, just that I do not show one! I will post my reply to the Beall List in hopes that someone will be better able to assist you. Good Luck, Tom Green TBGreen3@aol.com

Hi, all, Although I am not a BEALL descendant, I am very much interested in the family because: George BUSSEY III b in Calvery Co, MD, was first married to Mary COLLIER, and had two sons: Charles and Edward BUSSEY After Mary COLLIER died, he married Mary BEALL, and they moved to Edgefield Co., SC well before the Rev War. He died in 1765 and left a will in Granville Co, SC. They had a son, Hilary Thomas BUSSEY. I am descended from Rev Charles BUSSEY son of George BUSSEY III and his wife Mary COLLIER. In various legal documents, there are signatures and witnesses by Ninian BEALL, Alexander Magruder, and others, making it appear that the families might have known one another well. I am interested in finding out if Mary BEALL was related to Ninian BEALL, and if so, in what way. My question is: Who was the Mary BEALL who married George BUSSEY III, and came to SC. My main reason for needing this information is to prove without a doubt that George BUSSEY who married Mary COLLIER is the same George BUSSEY who married Mary BEALL. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Alice BUSSEY Broaddus ============================================================= ABB5985@AOL.com a.broaddus@Juno.com a.broaddus@genie.com MTBV40A@prodigy.com ANDERSON-*-ASKINS-*-BELL-*-BLEDSOE-*-BOLLING-*-BONHAM-*-BROADDUS BURGAMY-*-BUSSEY-*-CAVANAGH-*-CHRISTIAN-*-DOTY-*-DUNCAN DUSHAROONE-*-FULLER-*-GORDON-*-GORDY-*-GWYNNE-*-HARRY-*-HEARD HAYS/HAYES-*-HOWARD-*-HUBBARD-*-HUME-*-JAMES-*-KAVANAGH LANDRUM-*-LATHROP-*-LEMASTER-*-LOVE-*-MILLER-*-MURPHY-*-OLDHAM PARKER-*-PATTILLO-*-PATTON-*-PENNINGTON-*- PRITCHETT-*-ROYAL SCOTT-*-SMITH -*-WALTERS-*-WARREN-*-WILLIAMS (MA,NJ,DE,MD,VA,KY,NC,SC,GA,TX )

Here's a URL for a surname search engine if anyone is interested. http://www.genforum.com/ Tom

Catherine Beall was the daughter of James Beall (1698-1793) and Margaret Edmonston. The records I've seen (DAR; DAC; Gaither book; various Beall books) indicate that she married my ancestor, Charles Lovelace. For some reason, Lovelace researchers say that Charles married Catherine Robey and his brother Isaac married Catherine Beall. Earlier this week, I found a Robey book and they had Isaac married to Catherine Robey. In other words, all sources but the Lovelaces seem to accept the Charles Lovelace/Catherine Beall marriage as fact. Do any of you have documentation on this? I need to know whether to research the Bealls or the Robeys! Thanks in advance. Karen

Is anyone on this list in or near Philadelphia? Some years ago I was there to visit the Genealogical Society library, but was not sufficiently knowledgeable and failed to copy down information on some little known, and hardly proven Beall lore. I picked up a book that related the story about how the Beall clan became such as a result of the English attempts to destroy the Druids. The surviving priesthood and family's drew together, formed a larger family group and penned the surname Beall. Supposedly the surname was a purposeful misspelling of their God Bael. If anyone is near enough to the library to find this reference and publish to this list, I know I would appreciate it, and I presume others would find it very interesting indeed. Thanks, Tom Beall (family from Greene County, PA) Colorado Springs

To Ed Beall and others interested, A Bell (Bell of the Borders) tartan is available from a Scottish mill in 1991. I obtained the address from the "Bell-A-Peal" newsletter. I do not know if this is exactly correct tartan for our Bells who became Bealls in Maryland. Perhaps someone else does. It is a beautiful blue (almost a twilight blue) with black, yellow, red, and turquoise accents in the lines forming the plaid. Prices below are 1991 when I ordered. Lochcarron of Scotland Peter Anderson Division Nether Mill Huddersfield Street Galashiels, SCOTLAND TD1 3BA Samples of Bell tartan are 23.10 pounds per yard (58" wide) for the lighter weight fabric (1991 prices) called "Reiver." There is a heavier one, which is more and has a slightly larger pattern to the plaid. Reiver scarves are L14.95 each. They also offer a number of skirt styles and will make to order. It seems expensive, but I did not save much money by having my skirt made here by a dressmaker who is reasonable. They have other products besides scarves and will send a brochure upon request. They take credit cards. (I ordered 2 yards of the Reiver for a skirt, which was plenty. Our newspaper prints the ratio of the pound to the dollar daily; of course, banks have that info. too.) The Jan-Feb-Mar 1996 issue of the "Bell-A-Peal" gives a U.S. company which can buy from the Lochcarron Mill: J. Higgins, Inc., P.O. Box 14341, Lenexa, KS 66285; Phone (800) 426-7268. By the way, when I was in Scotland in 1979, I got the same run-around from shops about McMillan being the plaid for Bells to buy and there being no Bell/Beall tartan. Cecilie Gaziano

Happy New Year all you "BEALLS" wherever you are and whoever you are! I have been doing some checking into the various thoughts on who our ancestors really were, at least from my lines. I found one book who > makes Col. Ninian BEALL the husband of both Elizabeth GORDON and Ruth > MOORE, and another who says the husband of Elizabeth GORDON was "another > Ninian". I swear it is very hard to sort out all of the BEALLs, > especially where they are named Ninian and sometimes there is no dates. > > I found a rather good Col Ninian BEALL history online from Ruth Beall > Gelders which I can forward to you, IF you are interested. She gives > lists of wives, children etc for the Col. She gives both women as wives of > Col. Ninian also. She made several mistakes that I have found, However she is believed to be quite an authority on the Bealls. > > At present, I am trying to collect the right family BEALLs and then > methodically go about documenting that. I am really interested in history > of my family but to get the right history I have to pin down the people. some people which have sent me lists have all different children for the various Beall families. I found, also some really interesting items which you might like to "chew on". We were previously concerned about which Sarah BEALL is which. Seems there are as many differences of opinion are there are Sarah Bealls. Looks like we all need to stop and do some serious documenting. Since my WARMAN family was agreed that our Sarah ??? who married Frances WATTS was indeed, Sarah BEALL who was a descendent of Col. Ninian BEALL I pursued that idea. As much as I would love to be descended from such a fine Gentleman, I cannot be sure that is true. So please see the following. > The Warman family did extensive documented research on their lines. This > is ALL they could come up with concerning Col. Ninian BEALL. I have > wondered if they had the right Ninian? I think not! See as follows: > > This is from the book Warman/Wells by El Roy Titus - housed in the LDS > Library at Salt Lake City. El Roy Titus m. my Cousin Laura Wells. > > "Beall, Col. Ninian (ca 1625-1717) 6-great grandfather of Rev. Clemmer > Warman. B. Scotland, in Fifeshire or near Edinburgh. fought against > Cromwell at Dunbar; captured and transported to Calvert county, MD in > 1655. For services to the colonial government of Maryland was granted > large tracts of land, extending over several counties, particularly in > Calvert and Prince George Counties. There are two references: (1) at page > 412, "Founders of Anne Arundel and Howard Counties, Maryland," by J.D. > Warfield, A.M., 1905, we read: "John Watkins and Mary WARMAN were married > in 1715. She was a descendent of Ninian BEALE and held an estate in > Prince Georges County," and (2) On page 107, "Generations of Col. Nicholas > Gassaway," by the Rutherfords, 1981, we find "John Watkins married Mary > WARMAN, a descendent of Ninian BEALE." This Mary Warman was a daughter of > Stephen and Sarah (Watts) WARMAN, and is named with her children in the > 1740 Will of Stephen WARMAN. Descent from Ninian BEALL must have been on > the Watts side of Mary (Warman) WATKINS family. Perhaps Col. Ninian > BEALL was the father of Sarah, wife of Francis WATTS. Sarah and Francis > WATTS were grandparents of the Mary Warman who married John Watkins. If > this should be the case, Col. Ninian BEALL would have been her > great-grandfather. (This is partly speculation. It would help if we knew > the family name of Sarah, wife of Francis Watts, or the name of the wife > of Col. Ninian BEALL.)" > > My difficulty with the above statements is that the "reference books" do > not state which Ninian it is and even spell his name differently than > everywhere else. There is quite an interesting piece in my Warman/Wells > book about the BEALE Family which I will quote for you. I will put this > part online also as it may help some of the confusion. > > "From "Anne Arundel Gentry, Harry Wright Newman, Maryland Pioneer Series, > Baltimore 1933. > Page 1. BEALE FAMILY > The colonial Beale family of Anne Arundel County is often confused with > the BEALL (Bell) family which was propagated by Ninian Beall of Calvert > and Prince Georges Counties. They are two distinct families, using > different arms, the founder in Anne Arundel being John Beale - - - > (Note: Col. Ninian Beale/Beall was also considerably earlier in Maryland > than John Beale. EWT/90)" > > [NOTE from BEVERLY = Notice the distinction > made about the two spellings of BEALE and BEALL. Even the Warman > researchers pay no attention to this. They use BEALE to talk about Mary > Warman, in the references most of the time and then one used BEALL. I > know there was a WATKINS BEALL (of the Col.) connection, but that doesn't > make me be able to connect Mary WARMAN. What I REALLY think is that the > HISTORY BOOKS made the WATKINS/COL. NINIAN connection and since Mary > WARMAN was m. to John WATKINS and they lived in Prince Georges County - > simply stated that "she" was a descendent of the Col. only for that > reason. NOT because there was a family connection between BEALL and > WARMAN.] > > The quote from the Warman/Wells book continues: > "From "To Maryland from Overseas," by Harry Wright Newman, Baltimore, > 1986. > Page 21 > BEALL. Members of the Beall family, that is, Ninian, Thomas, Alexander, > James and Robert, were natives of St. Andrew's Parish, Fifeshire, > Scotland, where their births or baptisms are registered in the parish > archives. The naming of their Maryland plantations also attested to their > Scottish heritage. the Scottish spelling was "Bell" and was so used in > early Maryland records. Why "a" was inserted is unknown, but after the > first generation Beall was consistently used by all members of the family. > > The Scottish research was conducted by the late Alexander Graham Bell who > invented the telephone and phonograph, although he was not a scion of the > Fifeshire. (REF. Research by Alexander Graham Bell at the Library of > Congress; Parish Register of St. Andrew's, Fifeshire, Registration House, > Edinburgh.) > > >From "The Founders of Anne Arundel and Howard Counties, Maryland," J.D. > Warfield, A.M. Baltimore, 1905 > Page 101 THE BEALE FAMILY > A Scottish family, with a ringing bell as its coat of arms, was early > represented in our province. > The leader was a famous officer, colonel Ninian BEALE, born in Fifeshire > - - - - Page 412 John Watkins and Mary Warman were married in 1715. She > was a descendent of Ninian Beall and held an estate in Prince Georges > County. His will of 1734 left his Prince George estate to his sons John > and Stephen, which, in the event of no heirs, was to descend to his son > Nicholas. His wife, Mary (Warman) Watkins, named her daughters, Hester > Lane, Jane Smith, Sarah Keene and Frances Dorsey (wife of John Hammond > Dorsey) She also named her grandson Nicholas Watkins (of Stephen) and her > granddaughter Mary Smith (of Anthony). " > > I have had the notion that the WARMAN family was mixed up about the BEALL > or BELL, whatever, connection but from those history references to Mary > WARMAN being a descendent of Ninian Beall, I just had to try hard to > find the connection. In the WARMAN/WELLS line there were also BEALS/BELL. > Possibly the connection came from the other side of the family. They may > have a Ninian in the haystack. > I have never seen so many lists of children, all different, > of people all connecting to the famous Col. Ninian. It is > getting to be quite funny. > > The Warman/Wells book has this about the BEALS family > "Hingham, England to Hingham, Massachusetts: The Generations of the BEALS > Family. (Sources: "History and Records of the First Congregational > Church of Hanover, Mass., 1727-1865," L. Vernon Briggs, Boston 1895; > "Copy of the Records of Births, Marriages and Deaths, and of Intentions of > Marriage of the town of Hanover, Mass., 1727-1857." Rockland, Mass. 1898; > "Vital Records of Pembroke (Plymouth County), Mass. to the year 1850." > NEHGS, Boston 1911; "History of the Town of Hingham, Mass., "Vol. II, by > George Lincoln, reprint of New England History Press, 1982; NEHGS NEXUS, > Vol. IV, No. 2, April May 1987, Letter to the Editor from John D. Beal, > Jr., Huntsville, Alabama.) > > Lists: John BEALS 1588-4/1/1688 Shoemaker from Hingham Eng. to Hingham, > Mass in 1638 m. 1st Frances RIIPLEY (ca 1598-Mar 1629/30) at > Wymondham, Norfolk, England 6/11/1616, had 3 sons, 3 dau's all bp at > Wymondham, where she is buried. m. 2nd Nazareth HOBART, widow Turner and > m. 3rd Mary JACOBS, also a widow. > > Line of John BEALS: > > Nathaniel Beals (ca 1629-12/20/1706 came to Hingham Mass with his father > He m. Martha ??? d. 5/10/1692 at Hingham, Mass > > Nathaniel Beals bp. Oct 1648, b. Hingham Mass > He m. 3/15/1676/77 Elizabeth Joy, dau of Thomas and Joan JOY. > > Solomon Beals 4/10/1679-5/13/1750 was a cooper, moved to Pembroke, Mass > He m. Deborah ??? > > Solomon Beals b. 11/3/1707 in Hingham, Mass > He m. 11/10/1730 Ann HOWLAND, dau. of Abram and Ann (Colson)Howland of > Pembroke, Mass. > > Howland Beals (ca 1732-before 4/25/1814) lived at Pembroke; had 8 children > He m. 12/27/1757 Mary PERRY (bp. 9/17/1738-4/25/1814) b. Pembroke, Mass. > > Children of Howland Beals and Mary Perry: > > Isaac Beals 1/11/1760 m. Lydia STETSON > > John Beals bp. 5/31/1761 m. Patience LEACH at Easton, Mass on 11/17/1791 > > Isaiah Beals bp. 8/28/1763 b. Pembroke, Mass > > Ezra Beals bp 5/25/1766-before 1850 b. Pembroke Mass. m. 4/15/1790 to Lucy > HATCH of Hanover, Mass. To Monongalia Co. WV via MD and PA > > Seth Beals bp 10/1/1770 apparently d. young > > Mary Beals bp 6/7/1773 at Penbroke, Mass > > Seth Beals bp 5/14/1775 m. Thurza HATCH on 7/16/1799 at Bridgewater, MA > > Anne Beals bp. 8/25/1777 > > NOTE: there is much more on the BEALS family. I will check them out for > a "SARAH"! Boy, there has to be an answer someplace. > > I have another woman Dorathy who is written about connected with my > Stephen WARMAN b. 1631 in England. If I could find out her surname or > that of good old Sarah, I could be in "business" so to speak. > Take care of yourselves. > Bev >

Hi, gang..happy new year! Thought you might be interested in a few tidbits about Largo, where it all began for most of us. When I visited Scotland several years ago, I looked up the name "Beall" in the Glasgow telephone directory and was amazed to find there was not a single one. Lots of "Bell's" but no "Beall's." In the Edinburgh book there were only about seven "Beall's". I wrote down the numbers but didn't have the nerve to call any of them. ("Hi..I'm an American named Beall. Are you my cousin?") They might have thought I was crackers. Apparently, the Beall's with that spelling are still concentrated in or near Largo. In the press of travel I had very little time, only a quick drive-through on the bus, to visit Largo, a pretty little town, an overgrown fishing village on the north shore of the Firth of Forth, east of Edinburgh. If you've ever watched the British Open being played at St. Andrews golf course nearby, you will get the picture. Sand dunes, rocky uplands, not many trees; combine this with the cold winds of winter, and brick and stone are the building materials of choice. There is much natural beauty in Scotland albeit of a kind of wild, rocky character, and you reach a point where you feel you will scream if you see any more heather or sheep, but I would say our ancestral home of Fife is among the prettiest in all Scotland. I was there in summer, and I'm sure it would be something to try anybody's conditioning when the big storms come rolling in from the North Sea in winter. The oil platforms out in the North Sea were a very visible eyesore. While watching a nightclub show in Edinburgh (Haggis, which is dreadful, piper playing "Amazing Grace") I struck up a conversation with a guy at the next table. I told him I was descended from the Beall's of Largo, and he said "Oh, yes the Beall's are in Largo; my mother was a Beall." In the small towns like Largo, you would see quite a few of the Scots wearing clothes made of their tartans; I can't think of a nicer custom. Two Scotsmen could be standing talking to each other, knowing by their tartans that the ancestors of one treacherously double-crossed and slaughtered the ancestors of the other. Scottish people I talked to referred to "The Kingdom of Fife" rather than "Fifeshire", but I don't know that history. My impression was that the industry of making Scotch whiskey (nectar from Heaven, only better) was not prevalent in Fifeshire. The reason why there were no "Beall's" in the Glasgow phone book relates to the Book of Clans in Scotland. Bell is a sub-clan of MacMillan, who inhabited the west marshes and islands northwest of Glasgow, clear across Scotland from Largo. The towns of Oban and Inveraray are in the area, if you want to see it on a map. "Millan" comes from a Celtic word meaning something like monk, as in a monastery. We have seen coats of arms for Bell, separate from MacMillan, but the clothing stores, and I tried several, insisted there was no separate tartan for Bell, that "Bell" was cross-referenced to "MacMillan," so I finally bought ties etc. in the MacMillan dress and hunting tartans. Anyway, apparently some of our distant ancestors came from the west of Scotland to Largo, and apparently introduced the new spelling there and it did not spread very far. I am writing this from memory, and I hope any of you who spot errors will be kind.

In a message dated 97-12-31 19:45:30 EST, you write: << I am writing this from memory, and I hope any of you who spot errors will be kind. >> Hi Ed, On the contrary, I loved reading your story of your trip to Scotland! Please post more stories about our ancestors. I know you have many stories you can relate from the research you have done. A readed man 6 feet 7 inches tall who fought against Cromwell in 1650 and served his servitude as a badge of honor, and then sired no telling how many children, must have left hundreds of stories we would all love to hear. Thanks again, Tom Green TBGreen3@aol.com

Howdy folks, Does anybody know anything about ABEL BEALS (b. 1733 MA., d.1805) and his wife, DEBORAH LAMBERT. Looking specifically for information about what they "did"... occupation, church affiliation, civic involvement, land owned, etc. Also... who were the parents of DEBORAH LAMBERT? We live 2 hours away from a good genealogical library.... have to turn to the Net... any help would be appreciated..... Bill & Gayle