Not sure it is spelled this way or a variant. Myrtle married Frank SIMS, and she was from Tell City, IN. Anyone know aboout the parents of same, etc. Frank was the son of Zedman SIMS

Cousins, *Please File This Message!* I have been getting more bounces than usual. Before you take off for your vacation, research trip or family reunion, if you don't have a large mailbox at your ISP, please remember to unsubscribe to your lists, or at least your *large* lists. When your mailbox gets full, ALL of your listowners start to get bounces. And if you subscribe to the list rather than the digest, we get a bounce for every message posted! That is, we listowners get the bounce messages until you get unsubscribed by the listbot! When you come home, and find your mailbox full, just cheerfully send a subscribe message to all of your favorite lists. If you weren't 'bounced off,' you will get a message saying that you are already subscribed. You will not be subscribed twice (at least on Rootsweb lists). Please don't ever take being unsubscribed *personally.* It sometimes even happens to listowners, from their own lists! When an ISP has problems, they are beyond any of our human control. Remember, send all those unsub (and re-sub) requests to the **** -request **** address, not the list address! And remember, you can always consult the archives to catch up on what you've missed. Even if you don't have web access, the archives are accessible to you by email. The two ways to access the Rootsweb list archives on the web: Threaded archives -- <http://archiver.rootsweb.com/archives/> Isearch (Karen's) archives: <http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl> Here's a great hint for making the best use of the Rootsweb list archives, courtesy of Carol Hammet: John Robertson has a great website that explains how to use phrases, wild cards, boolean operators, for most effective searching of List Archives which is at: <http://www.shelby.net/jr/robertsn/rwsearch.htm> Anyway, above all, enjoy yourself this summer! Listmama Valorie

>From Obituary Daily Times, Tue, 27 Apr 1999 BAYSINGER, Loyal D; 78; Sherman Co KS>Colorado Springs CO; Topeka C-J (KS); 1999-1-21 For more information, Visit the ODT web site at <http://www.rootsweb.com/~obituary>.

More from my miracle worker friend.... Source: _Rhineland Emigrants_; ed. Don Yoder; Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.; Baltimore; 1981; p. 125. [* means stick two dots over the "o".......] BASINGER (BASICKER, BOSIGER*, BOESIGER) 1759 Mennonite family from Attiswil, Ct. Bern, reported in Montbeliard [acute slash over "e"], Alsace (BA 89); other Bosiger families (BA 91-158 passim) "Christian Bosiger*", from Rumisberg, Ct. Bern, left Normanvillars, Alsace, aged 23, in New York, June 1819, to Lancaster County; 1825 to Waterloo County, Ontario; 1836 to Putnam County, Ohio (BA 133, 147). Other families in Ohio 1824 and 1838 (MC 19; BA 145, 156). Swiss forms BOESIGER* (cf. HBLS, Supplement p. 28). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The chapter was titled "Swiss Mennonite Family Names: An annotated checklist" by Leo Schelbert and Sandra Luebking. BA= Gratz, Delbert L. _Bernase Anabaptists and Their American Descendents_. Scottsdale, Pa.: Herald Press, 1953. HBLS= Historich-Biographisches Lexikon der Schweiz- 7 vols. + supplement; Nuenburg: Administration des Historich-Biographisches Lexikons, 1921-1934. MC= Mennonite Cyclopedic Dictionary_. Scottsdale, Pa.: Mennonite Publishing House, 1937.

Someone on one of my Swedish research lists referenced this site: <http://www.usu.edu/~oralhist/osarch.html> I have seen some of the links individually, but this site is very complete. Collected oral histories can be some of the most exciting finds you will make in your family history research. Look not only for your own family, but nieghbors, shirt-tail relatives, and even just folks who lived at the same time and near the same place. They have a quote on the page: Stories think, and they do it in the same way we do. They talk straight sometimes, right to the heart, but they have always a deep, symbolic understanding of reality that can dictate what happens on a conscious level. This analogy to our thinking may explain why stories are so important to us and why they appear to be so meaningful. They speak to us, as dreams speak to us, in a language that is at once highly symbolic and childishly literal. They mirror our consciousness exactly because they are composed through a process both conscious and subconscious. -Valerie Martin We love to have pictures of our families, and keep them even when we don't know the names. In the same way, our family stories are precious. We can always use more of them. Valorie

List, I got this as a forward, and the headers were stripped. I think the information is still useful. Valorie Subject: Resources for Research in Rhineland-Palatinate & Elsewhere (1) Worldwide Germanic Emigration and Research Sources (2) Lineages of Families from Rhineland-Palatinate & Galicia (3) Pre-World War I Political Entities Governing Rhineland-Palatinate (1) In response to A. John Parker's request re transmigration to South America and for the benefit of others seeking information about Germanic emigration to various countries, GERMANIC GENEALOGY: A GUIDE TO WORLDWIDE SOURCES AND MIGRATION PATTERNS covers Germanic migration and genealogy worldwide. For a description of the contents, see my website at: http://home.cwix.com/[email protected]/edward.htm Because the emphasis of this guide is on comprehensiveness, it cannot provide such detailed specifics as requested by Parker, but it provides a good overview, useful addresses and lots of bibliographic references which may provide greater detail on narrower or more specialized topics. (2) This website also lists many lineages, especially from Rhineland-Palatinate, which I have researched. In this case, the emigrants went to Galicia before coming to North America a good century later. But it was not unusual for different individuals in the same extended family to migrate in different directions: Eastern Europe, U.S., Canada, Brazil, Australia, etc. (3) For newcomers who are confused about the origin of their ancestors, with different documents referring to different political entities, GERMANIC GENEALOGY also provides a great deal of information on pre-World War I entities and identifies numerous non-political terms which people often used to describe their area of origin. To deal with Rhineland-Palatinate as concisely and clearly as possible, it was divided among four different pre-unification German principalities, which became sub-units of the German Empire. The historic Palatinate (the southeastern part of the current state) belonged to Bavaria (Bayern). The roughly turnip-shaped area including Mainz, Worms, Alzey and Bingen, now an administrative district still known as Rheinhessen, belonged to Hesse (Hessen). Most of the western and northwestern areas constituted the Prussian Rhine province, cataloged by the Family History Library under "Preussen, Rheinland." Birkenfeld was an oblong enclave along the upper Nahe River valley and belonged to Oldenburg. Of these four previously independent German states, only Hesse was adjacent to the part of Rhineland-Palatinate which it governed. If you have pre-Napoleonic immigrant ancestors, the political jurisdictions were far more numerous, more fragmented and more confusing even for top-notch German scholars. Wilhelm and Kallbrunner, who did extensive research in the Austrian archives to identify those who migrated to the Lower Danube (now known as Danube Swabians, earlier Hungarian Germans) and Galicia (the part of Poland which fell under Austrian rule during the First Partition and remained Austrian after 1815), incorrectly identified many of the places of origin listed in the archival records, partly for this reason, partly because of misspellings, and partly because so many German communities have identical or similar names. By far the largest number of migrants to Galicia came from what is now Rhineland-Palatinate. Most of the pre-1781 migrants to the lower Danubian areas now in Hungary, Romania and Yugoslavia (then South Hungary) came from the German-speaking parts of Lorraine, because only Catholics were accepted prior to that date. However, a large number of the migrants -- more than from Swabia -- came from Rhineland-Palatinate, which had a very mixed population in religious terms: Reformed, Lutherans, Catholics and a few Mennonites (who originated mostly in Switzerland and long called themselves Brethren).

Some of you may be able to contribute to this project. First, tho, contribute your information to our GenConnect Bible records board! Valorie -------- Original Message -------- EVERTON'S FAMILY HISTORY NEWSLINE 18 January 1999 The NGS Bible Program Among its many interests, the National Genealogical Society has an ongoing project to preserve data from family Bibles. Unlike some programs, this one is open both to members and to non-members of the society. If you have a family Bible in your possession and would like to share the data with others through the NGS program, simply make a photocopy of the relevant pages and a photocopy of the Bible's title page. A typescript of the genealogical data will be especially helpful. Send the pages to the NGS Bible Records Committee at the address below. The NGS Bible Records Committee is also working on an every-name index to these records. If you would like to query the names recorded to date, send a self-addressed stamped envelope to the Committee, and please allow several weeks for the response. Resource: NGS Bible Records Committee 4527 - 17th Street North Arlington, VA 22207 http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/ Copyright 1999, Everton Publishers All rights reserved

Notation from a researcher friend of mine.... 1790 NC Census code: surname, first name, page, district or town, county, free white males 16 and older - fwm under 16 - free white females - other free - slaves BASINGER, George p. 176 Salisbury District Rowen County 1-2-4-0-0 Jacob p. 173 " " 1-0-3-0-0 John " " " 1-2-3-0-0

STUART WALLACE wrote: > > Dear Valorie, > > I've been a list member for a few weeks and I see that most people are > looking for basingers and similar names in America, as an Englishman who's > g,grandmother was aMaria Basinger in the 1880's I was interested to see that > it is perceived that all basingers arrived from central europe. As far as I know, my own family group traveled from the Alsace to Pennsylvania in the 1770s. > However I have come across basingers in Scotland 1680's Ireland 1700 and a > small group in London 1800 plus a few other groups in various counties of > England. I don't know if all Baysinger/Basingers are related.... > It was always believed that my g,grandmother came from Irish Stock. It isn't an Irish name, IMO, but there were many Palatines who emigrated to Ireland. It makes sense that other Germans would have come to Ireland, too. > I started looking because I thought that I might have an American cousin > called KIM?? > I can but hope. > > regards > > Stuart wallace Perhaps if you post more particulars? And I suggest posting a query to our Baysinger Query board, too. <http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/bay/Baysinger> All the best, Valorie

Cousins, this was sent to me personally, but I think the list should see, and perhaps respond. -- Valorie -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: ROOTSWEB'S COMMON-SENSE ACCEPTABLE USE POLICY Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:22:37 +0100 From: STUART WALLACE <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: IANS BAKERY LTD To: [email protected] References: <[email protected]> Dear Valorie, I've been a list member for a few weeks and I see that most people are looking for basingers and similar names in America, as an Englishman who's g,grandmother was aMaria Basinger in the 1880's I was interested to see that it is perceived that all basingers arrived from central europe. However I have come across basingers in Scotland 1680's Ireland 1700 and a small group in London 1800 plus a few other groups in various counties of England. It was always believed that my g,grandmother came from Irish Stock. I started looking because I thought that I might have an American cousin called KIM?? I can but hope. regards Stuart wallace

I hope most of you already subscribe to Rootsweb Review, and have already seen the latest official Rootsweb Acceptable Use Policy. Nevertheless, I want this policy to be found in our archives, where every listmember can find it at any time. Listowner Valorie Zimmerman --------- ROOTSWEB'S COMMON-SENSE ACCEPTABLE USE POLICY by Dr. Brian Leverich <[email protected]> RootsWeb exists to allow you to interact with other people who share your interests. We also often preserve those interactions, so you can readily see and learn from discussions that have occurred in the past. To be able to provide you with the best possible environment, we ask you to agree to the following before using our facilities: (1) HAVE FUN. Well, we can't *require* you to have fun, but we really think you should. (2) YOU OWN YOUR POSTS. When you post messages to lists, message boards, and other facilities at RootsWeb, those posts remain your property under copyright law. (3) ROOTSWEB MAY ARCHIVE AND REDISTRIBUTE. So we can provide current and future users with access to your posts, by posting here you do give RootsWeb a permanent license to archive and redistribute those posts. This policy may be superseded in specific circumstances by other commitments made by RootsWeb. (4) POST ONLY MATERIAL YOU *DO* OWN. When you post to RootsWeb, you must either be the copyright holder (that basically means you wrote it), have written permission from the copyright holder, or the material must clearly be in the public domain. (5) YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR POSTS. If you post anything that results in RootsWeb being sued, you are responsible for any costs you incur. We may also hold you responsible for any costs we incur defending ourselves. (6) YOU SHOULD NOT DECREASE THE ENJOYMENT OF OTHERS. Your posts should not flame or otherwise harass other users and should be reasonably on topic for the areas where they appear, and you should otherwise adhere to the principles of netiquette. (7) OTHER POLICIES MAY APPLY AND ALL POLICIES MAY CHANGE. In addition to this general acceptable use policy, other specific policies may apply to Web sites, mailing lists, message boards, and other facilities at RootsWeb. These policies may change with time, but current versions will be publicly accessible on RootsWeb's site. (8) ROOTSWEB HAS LIMITED RESPONSIBILITIES. Hard disks fail and other catastrophes occur. While RootsWeb strives to provide the most reliable possible service, we are not liable for service interruptions and loss of data. In *no* case, technical failure or otherwise, will RootsWeb be liable for damages exceeding any payments you make to us. (9) COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES REQUIRE PERMISSION. RootsWeb's intent is to provide a friendly and, as much as possible, noncommercial environment. Any activity that involves the exchange of money requires prior permission from RootsWeb. (10) ROOTSWEB RESOURCES MAY NOT BE RESOLD. No RootsWeb facilities -- for example, Web sites, mailing lists, and message boards -- may be resold. Public domain content on RootsWeb may not be harvested for commercial or other use, other than as would have been permitted by the Fair Use provisions of American copyright law if the material had been copyrighted. Material written and posted by an individual may not be harvested for commercial or other use, except with the permission of that individual or as permitted by Fair Use. (11) ROOTSWEB MAY REFUSE SERVICE. For violations of this agreement or other policies posted on the RootsWeb site, RootsWeb may revoke the violator's right to use part or all of the RootsWeb site. (12) MONEY-BACK GUARANTEE. Upon request, RootsWeb will terminate any services we are providing to you, and refund your last annual contribution. [Ed.: Information about netiquette is available on many Web sites, including these: <http://www.albion.com/netiquette/>; <http://www.fau.edu/netiquette.net/>; and <http://www.primenet.com/~vez/neti.html>.] ------------- Written by Dr. Brian Leverich <[email protected]>. Previously published by RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative, RootsWeb Review, Vol. 2, No. 24, 16 June 1999. Please visit RootsWeb's main Web page at <http://www.rootsweb.com/>. TO SUBSCRIBE OR UNSUBSCRIBE, send e-mail that says only SUBSCRIBE (or UNSUBSCRIBE) to: <[email protected]>.

Another notice of old Andreas Besinger, this time in Pennsylvania. Source: _Eighteenth Century Emigrants: The Northern Kraichgau_ ; Burgert, Annette Kunselman; Published by the PA German Society, 16/19 Bridesboro PA; 1983; p. 56 #41 Besinger, Andreas age 24 6928 Helmstadt-Bargen Hoffenheim= "Hope", 1733 6920 Sinsheim, Elsenz S-H 116, 120, 121 Name on A list: Besenar, B list: Besinger) HOFFENHEIM LUTHERAN KB: m. 26 Feb. 1733 Andreas Besinger, born in Helmstadt, and Maria Barbara Ritzhaupt, daughter of Adam Ritzhaupt. "Pennsylvania Records:" "Pennsylvanische Berichte," 13 Feb 1761: Land of the Pennsylvania Land Company is advertised for sale. Among the ocupants: Lampeter and Manheim Tpws, Lancaster co. Andreas Bersinger _____________________ Andreas Bersinger of Lancaster co. was nat. by Act of 19 May 1739.

For those of you who missed Cyndi Howells' interview on ABC World News Tonight this evening, you can still catch it at <http://www.abcnews.go.com/onair/DailyNews/wnt990614_genealogy.html>. There's even a little RealPlayer version of the interview! Valorie

For those of you who missed Cyndi Howells' interview on ABC World News Tonight this evening, you can still catch it at <http://www.abcnews.go.com/onair/DailyNews/wnt990614_genealogy.html>. There's even a little RealPlayer version of the interview! Valorie

According to Ed Sanders <[email protected]> on the Arkansas GS list, "There were churches everywhere people went. We preachers tell a joke of how there were Presbyterians anywhere a school could be built to train ministers. There were Methodists any place a minister could ride a horse. There were Baptists wherever one could walk, swim a creek, and swing on a vine over a river, or cleft in the mountains. There were churches of Christ wherever there was enough water to immerse a person." Something to remember when researching. Churches and their records are important to us researchers, because they were important to our ancestor's *lives.* Valorie, IBSSG

More from my NY friend: BESINGER, Andreas, age 24; landed in PA in 1733; accompanied by wife, Maria RITZHAUPT This entry is on page 56, volume I, of _Eighteenth Century Emigrants from German-Speaking Lands to North America_; Burgert, Annette Kunselman; Published by Pennsylvania German Society, 16/19 Birdsboro, PA. This volume covers "The Northern Kraichgau", pub. 1983; 461 page. There are other volumes and areas from the same author and source.

Cousins, I recieved this tonight on my listowner's list. This information has been verified. Viruses cannot be passed through the Rootsweb system, because attachments are not allowed. You may be getting infected mail from other sources, however. Boeing, the airplane mfg. company my husband Bob works for, had to shut down their Internet connections yesterday, and do a massive 'scan and clean' job on all the hard drives. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: v*i*r*u*s alert - feel free to copy and post Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:58:08 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] http://www.avertlabs.com/public/datafiles/valerts/vinfo/va10185.asp ExplorerZip.worm - very nasty one. (It destroys data) http://www.avertlabs.com/public/datafiles/valerts/vinfo/va10184.asp Pretty.Park - nastier than the M*lissa one. Fix your computers NOW (update your v*irus protections). First named one already hit hard just now underway. W. David Samuelsen, listowner ---------- Please don't copy this to other Rootsweb lists. If your other listowners don't mention it, you may forward a copy to the listowner. All the best, Valorie

Another entry from my NY researcher friend: 1800 NY Census Ontario County; Town of Springfield; p. 697: BASINGER, William 0-0-1-0-0 0-0-1-0-0 Sephrenus 1-1-0-0-1 0-1-0-0-1 Andrew 1-0-0-1-0 0-0-1-0-0 John 0-0-1-0-0 2-0-1-0-0

More from my researcher friend in New York: Source: _More Palatine Families_; Henry Z. Jones, Jr. Universal City, CA; 1991; p. 33 Andreas BESINGER (Bessing, Bessinger) As noted in her wonderful _Eighteenth Century Emigrants from German Speaking Lands to North America_: Volume I: The Northern Kraichgau, p. 56, Annette K. Burgert found the ancestral home of this "Palatine" at 6928 _Hoffenheim_. The Luth. Chbk. [Lutheran Churchbook] there records the marriage 26 Feb 1733 of ANDREAS BESINGER, b. in Helmstadt, and MARIA BARBARA, d/o ADAM RITZHAUPT. Andreas Besinger (also written "Besenar") appears as aged 24 on the ship "Hope" arriving in Philadelphia in 1733 (S-H, I, pp. 116, 120, & 121). Franklin's _Pa. Gazette_ on 16 Nov 1733 noted that Andreas Baseener, a Dutch servant, aged ca. 25, was a runaway from Joseph Gray at the Middle Ferry on Skuylkil. Andreas Bersinger of Lancaster Co. was nat. by Act 19 May 1739. He then made his way to N.Y., as Andreas Besinger was found on Pastor Somer's Family List ca. 1744 at Stone Arabia in the Mohawk Valley. He was along with Hudson at Schaghticoke in 1753, but then appears to have returned toPa., for "Andreas Bersinger" (if indeed it is the same man) was a resident at Lampeter and Manheim Twp. 13 Feb 1761 (Pa. Berichte). By his 1st wife, he had issue: 1. ANDREAS, bpt. 19 July 1741- sp. (sponsors): Casper Jansen Halenbek and Marytje Klauwen; the entry reads "Mother is dead 5 months, a German's child left by him near the Schoharie with Dyrk Van Vechten living on the Vlake to have it bpt." (Loonenburg Luth. Chbk.) By his 2nd wife (MARIA) ELISABETHA MULLER, he had ch.: 2. MARIA ELISABETHA, b. 02 July 1743 at Stone Arabia- sp.: Johannes Emche and his wife Elisabeth (Schoharie Luth. Chbk.). 3. A LITTLE GIRL, b. at Stone Arabia and bpt. 18 Feb 1745- sp.: ... and his wife (Schoharie Luth. Chbk.). 4. GERTRAUD, bpt. 18 Feb 1751/52 at Mohawks, the mother being called "Eliz. Miller" in the entry (Ogilvie's Records in Trinity Chbk., N.Y. City). 5. MARIA, bpt. 26 Aug 1753- sp.: Lewis Viele and Maria; mother also called "Miller" on this entry (Schaghticote Chbk.) ~~~~~~~~~~~ Where I've wriiten in caps, the book has boldface. It also has the two dots over the u in MULLER, and each child's name has a superscript 2 after it.....but I can't do those things.

A smile for today.....Any of you run across this on microfilm? Weird Words: Cacography Bad handwriting or bad spelling. We should use this word more; it's too useful and relevant to let it fade away. It derives from the Greek 'graphos', "writing", prefixed with 'kakos', "bad". We're more familiar with this as the beginning of 'cacophony', "bad noises"; despite the association of ideas, it has nothing to do with our 'cack-handed', which derives from Old English 'cack', "excrement". When 'cacography' began to appear in English at the end of the sixteenth century it did so with the sense of "bad spelling". It was beginning to be thought that the old way of spelling words by personal preference ought to give way to a standardised system; the introduction of printing had a lot to do with this. So 'cacography' was seen as the opposite of 'orthography', "correct spelling". In the following century it was also used to mean bad handwriting, as the opposite of yet a third Greek word, 'calligraphy', "fine writing". The word is marked as archaic in my dictionaries, though it still turns up from time to time. A typical usage was that by the horror writer H P Lovecraft, who described the manuscript of his novel _Quebeck_ as "136 pages of crabbed cacography" (in reference presumably to the handwriting rather than the spelling). Someone who exhibits either failing is a 'cacographer'. ----------------------- To subscribe to World Wide Words, e-mail the list server at <[email protected]> from the e-mail address which is to receive mailings with the message text SUBSCRIBE WORLDWIDEWORDS First_name Last_name