I just found out who my ggg grandparent's are on my mother's father's side of the family. I find them on the 1860 Census for Philadelphia, Pa. Ludwig NEFF (b. 1810 in Bavaria) and his wife, Caroline (b. 1815 in Bavaria) had 4 children according to the census: Lewis (b. 1836), Michael (b. May 1845), Magdelena (b. 1848), and Josephine (b. 1853) - all the children were born in Philadelphia. Neither Ludwig or Caroline appear on the 1870 census. Michael is the only one I have been able to find in later census reports. He is my gg grandfather. I'm hoping someone on this list will recognize the names LUDWIG NEFF and his wife, CAROLINE. Barbara in Wilmington, NC "I've never met a tombstone I couldn't relate to....."