Hi Listers, Since my last posting I have found a possible third son of Carl (Charles) GUNTHER/GUENTHER. I'd found a family in Rochester, New York, who could be related to my great grandfather Carl (Charles) GUNTHER, son of the above, and born, so he said, in Switzerland between 1835 and 1840. However, his brother (?) Fritz (Frederick) GUENTHER/GEINTER was born in Bavaria in 1833. I have now found living in the same house Henry GEINTER also born in Bavaria and in 1820. This man could be Frederick and Charles's older brother. It is possible then that Carl GUNTHER had at least three sons: Henry, Frederick and Charles. Any information on these would be welcomed. Best wishes, Charles