Hi John, Thanks for the list but I have checked this out and there aren't any that link up. They are not early enough. Frederick married in 1865 and maybe Henry married before this, though the eldest of the two sons listed (they may have been other children) was born the same year. My computer has limited surfing power and I have been unable the last two days to enter the LDS website. I managed a short visit and found Henry but after that nothing. The GUNTHERS (or however that was spellt at different times) seem to have entered the UK in the mid 1840s and may have stayed some time before moving to the States. Certainly, if these two GEINTERs (a name which doesn't appear on any Monroe county records - only GUNTHERs, GUENTHERs, GINTERs and GANTERs) were brothers they may have been part of a family. The parents may have been dead by 1880. Where they lived before this time is unknown. Thanks and best wishes, Charles