Brad, I do not find your ancestors, but some persons who might be their relatives: Urban Lenz, Inwohner in Linden * 14 May 1707 Linden + 26 Dec 1790 Linden second marriage 6 Jul 1739 Linden to Maria Manzenberger * 24 Sep 1705 Sonndorf + 2 Feb 1781 (daughter of Ferdinand Manzenberger and Susanne Fenzl) Source ist he book by Rüdiger v. Reichert: Die Lenz vom Goldenen Steig. Gauting 1994, p. 117 (all copies sold out). He uses the respective church records. When you find out the place of birth of your Theresa Lenz, we might find her in the book as well. P. 126 ff of the book list Lenz families of Sondorf: Gabriel Lenz 1713-1777 His sons: Christian 1756-1829 Johann Georg 1759-1825 Johann Georg son's: Johann Georg * 1787 (has sons Georg * 1820 and Christian *1827) Joseph * 1785 Johann Baptist *1795, farmer in Sonndorf (has sons: Joseph * 1826, Johann * 1830, Franz * 1835) If you ever come across the Hilz family in Sonndorf (or other places nearby), please let me know. Best regards, Michael Rauck -----Original Message----- From: Brad Manzenberger [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BAVARIA] John Manzenberger from Bavaria I am seeking information on the ancestors of John Manzenberger b. January 18, 1861 in Sohndorf, Bavaria, Germany. He was the son of Franz Manzenberger and Theresa Lenz according to a marriage license in Lawrence Co., IN. He was married first in Germany and had one son named Michael. His first wife died in Germany and he immigrated to the US bef. 1888. His son stayed in Germany with his maternal grandparents. John was married second to Aloisa (Alvisa, Louisa) Kern in Lawrence Co., IN on November 17, 1888. She came to America from Unterkreuzberg, Bavaria, Germany. She was b. May 16, 1862 and immigrated to the US bef. 1888. She was the dau. of John Kern and Francis Schusler. Before moving to Lawrence Co., IN, John lived in Chicago, IL. I would also like to find the name of John's first wife and any of his siblings. Thank you, Brad Manzenberger ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Sister or Brother, Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html#personal