I, too, have been looking for LOEFFLER. My great grandmother was Augusta Wilhelmine Leoffler b. 28 Nov 1868 in Nieder-Planitz, Sachsen (Saxony) imm. to US in mid - 1893 m. 26 Oct 1893 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin (her sister was already married and living in Milwaukee and had a boarder, orginianally from Kirchenlamitz, Bayern (Bavaria), who was looking for a wife. He paid for Augusta's trip over, so he could marry her). Augusta's parents were Johann Gottlieb Loeffler b. 13 Oct 1822 in Planitz, Sachsen and Johanne Christiana Troeger b. 18 Nov 1828 in Haertendorf, Sachsen. Johann's parents were Carl Friedrich Loeffler and Johanne Christiane Sonntag. I don't know if any of this is related to your Loefflers but I haven't had much luck searching in the Saxony lists. Good luck, Linda Giles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice M. Zengel" <zengel@comcast.net> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:58 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] Zengel and Löffler >I am looking for information about my ZENGEL and LÖFFLER ancestors. The >following is what I know: > > My great-grandfather, Henry (Heinrich) ZENGEL, died March 5, 1903. > According to his death certificate, he was 70 years old, and was born in > Germany. > > My great-grandmother, Catherine (Katherine) Barbara Zengel, was born Feb > 15, 1859 and died Jan 15, 1936. She was born in "Rollfeldt" Germany, and > her father was Peter LÖFFLER. > > Henry and Catherne were married about 1887, presumably in or near > Rollfeld. They came over to the U.S. in 1888 and settled in Baltimore, > Maryland. > > Henry Zengel was married previously, and had a son Frank (Franz), born > Jan 3, 1867, and, according to family rumors, a second child, neither of > whom came to the U.S. with Henry and Catherine. However, Frank > immigrated several years later, arriving on the S. S. Karlsruhe from > Bremen, on April 10, 1890. He was listed as a "workman" from Bavaria. > Since the Zengel family was Catholic, we believe that Henry Zengel's > first wife, name unknown, must have died before 1887. > > Does anyone know anything about the ZENGEL or LÖFFLER families? > > Janice M. Zengel > zengel@comcast.net > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > to unsubscribe >

Linda! Did you see my reply to Janice ZENGEL?? My gr-grandfather had a business partner in Milwaukee in the 1880's or 1890's. My gr grfath. was a woodcarver (church altars pulpits, communion railings) and Mr. LOEFFLER was a painter, and somehow they worked together. I am leaving immediately for the library to look at the book ABOUT German artists of early Milwaukee to see if Mr. LOEFFLER is in it. My gr-grfath. is in it. This is great news, no? Beth STEINBERG ARNOTT Keep in touch!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Giles" <forlgiles@telus.net> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:30 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] Re: [BAVARIA] Zengel and Löffler I, too, have been looking for LOEFFLER. My great grandmother was Augusta Wilhelmine Leoffler b. 28 Nov 1868 in Nieder-Planitz, Sachsen (Saxony) imm. to US in mid - 1893 m. 26 Oct 1893 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin (her sister was already married and living in Milwaukee and had a boarder, orginianally from Kirchenlamitz, Bayern (Bavaria), who was looking for a wife. He paid for Augusta's trip over, so he could marry her). Augusta's parents were Johann Gottlieb Loeffler b. 13 Oct 1822 in Planitz, Sachsen and Johanne Christiana Troeger b. 18 Nov 1828 in Haertendorf, Sachsen. Johann's parents were Carl Friedrich Loeffler and Johanne Christiane Sonntag. I don't know if any of this is related to your Loefflers but I haven't had much luck searching in the Saxony lists. Good luck, Linda Giles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice M. Zengel" <zengel@comcast.net> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:58 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] Zengel and Löffler >I am looking for information about my ZENGEL and LÖFFLER ancestors. The >following is what I know: > > My great-grandfather, Henry (Heinrich) ZENGEL, died March 5, 1903. > According to his death certificate, he was 70 years old, and was born in > Germany. > > My great-grandmother, Catherine (Katherine) Barbara Zengel, was born Feb > 15, 1859 and died Jan 15, 1936. She was born in "Rollfeldt" Germany, and > her father was Peter LÖFFLER. > > Henry and Catherne were married about 1887, presumably in or near > Rollfeld. They came over to the U.S. in 1888 and settled in Baltimore, > Maryland. > > Henry Zengel was married previously, and had a son Frank (Franz), born > Jan 3, 1867, and, according to family rumors, a second child, neither of > whom came to the U.S. with Henry and Catherine. However, Frank > immigrated several years later, arriving on the S. S. Karlsruhe from > Bremen, on April 10, 1890. He was listed as a "workman" from Bavaria. > Since the Zengel family was Catholic, we believe that Henry Zengel's > first wife, name unknown, must have died before 1887. > > Does anyone know anything about the ZENGEL or LÖFFLER families? > > Janice M. Zengel > zengel@comcast.net > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > to unsubscribe > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records

Hi Linda, Well, maybe I jumped the gun a bit, but here's what's in the book titled, "German-American Artists in Early Milwaukee: A Biographical Dictionary." The author (compiler) is Peter C. MERRILL. I believe it is OK to paraphrase and share this information, as there is no statement in the beginning of the book about getting permission from the author. LOEFFLER, Louis, b. 1850 in Bavaria. Fresco painter & sign painter who immigrated to the US via Baltimore in Aug, 1876. By 1878, he and Alois STEINBERG (my gr-gr grndfthr) had a business called STEINBERG and LOEFFLER. They built altars and pulpits. The firm lasted until about 1880. In 1883, LOEFFLER formed a partnership with Charles BUCKELMUELLER, sign painters, at 316 West Water St. Then LOEFFLER became a free-lance fresco artist. He may have been related to the painter Frank LOEFFLER or to the stone-carver Adolph LOEFFLER. They are both found in the city directories from 1878 thfough 1889. (I shortened it up and paraphrased it.) But your people came from Saxony? But there is mention of Bavaria? I can give you more detail if wanted. Best Wishes, Beth STEINBERG ARNOTT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Giles" <forlgiles@telus.net> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:30 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] Re: [BAVARIA] Zengel and Löffler I, too, have been looking for LOEFFLER. My great grandmother was Augusta Wilhelmine Leoffler b. 28 Nov 1868 in Nieder-Planitz, Sachsen (Saxony) imm. to US in mid - 1893 m. 26 Oct 1893 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin (her sister was already married and living in Milwaukee and had a boarder, orginianally from Kirchenlamitz, Bayern (Bavaria), who was looking for a wife. He paid for Augusta's trip over, so he could marry her). Augusta's parents were Johann Gottlieb Loeffler b. 13 Oct 1822 in Planitz, Sachsen and Johanne Christiana Troeger b. 18 Nov 1828 in Haertendorf, Sachsen. Johann's parents were Carl Friedrich Loeffler and Johanne Christiane Sonntag. I don't know if any of this is related to your Loefflers but I haven't had much luck searching in the Saxony lists. Good luck, Linda Giles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice M. Zengel" <zengel@comcast.net> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:58 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] Zengel and Löffler >I am looking for information about my ZENGEL and LÖFFLER ancestors. The >following is what I know: > > My great-grandfather, Henry (Heinrich) ZENGEL, died March 5, 1903. > According to his death certificate, he was 70 years old, and was born in > Germany. > > My great-grandmother, Catherine (Katherine) Barbara Zengel, was born Feb > 15, 1859 and died Jan 15, 1936. She was born in "Rollfeldt" Germany, and > her father was Peter LÖFFLER. > > Henry and Catherne were married about 1887, presumably in or near > Rollfeld. They came over to the U.S. in 1888 and settled in Baltimore, > Maryland. > > Henry Zengel was married previously, and had a son Frank (Franz), born > Jan 3, 1867, and, according to family rumors, a second child, neither of > whom came to the U.S. with Henry and Catherine. However, Frank > immigrated several years later, arriving on the S. S. Karlsruhe from > Bremen, on April 10, 1890. He was listed as a "workman" from Bavaria. > Since the Zengel family was Catholic, we believe that Henry Zengel's > first wife, name unknown, must have died before 1887. > > Does anyone know anything about the ZENGEL or LÖFFLER families? > > Janice M. Zengel > zengel@comcast.net > > > > > ====

Thanks Beth, My grandmother Loeffler was apparently from Saxony and married a Schobert, in Milwaukee, from Bavaria. Her sister who was married and in Milwaukee already may have come over single and married in the US or may have been married in Germany, but since the only name I have for her is Lena - probably a nick name, I have no way of tracking her down. But thank you for the info, it's very interesting. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave or Beth Arnott" <dsarnott@execpc.com> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 7:42 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] Re: [BAVARIA] Re: [BAVARIA] Zengel and Löffler > Hi Linda, > > Well, maybe I jumped the gun a bit, but here's what's in the book titled, > "German-American Artists in Early Milwaukee: A Biographical Dictionary." > The author (compiler) is Peter C. MERRILL. > > I believe it is OK to paraphrase and share this information, as there is > no > statement in the beginning of the book about getting permission from the > author. > > LOEFFLER, Louis, b. 1850 in Bavaria. Fresco painter & sign painter who > immigrated to the US via Baltimore in Aug, 1876. By 1878, he and Alois > STEINBERG (my gr-gr grndfthr) had a business called STEINBERG and > LOEFFLER. > They built altars and pulpits. The firm lasted until about 1880. In > 1883, > LOEFFLER formed a partnership with Charles BUCKELMUELLER, sign painters, > at > 316 West Water St. Then LOEFFLER became a free-lance fresco artist. He > may > have been related to the painter Frank LOEFFLER or to the stone-carver > Adolph LOEFFLER. They are both found in the city directories from 1878 > thfough 1889. (I shortened it up and paraphrased it.) > > But your people came from Saxony? But there is mention of Bavaria? I can > give you more detail if wanted. > > Best Wishes, Beth STEINBERG ARNOTT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Giles" <forlgiles@telus.net> > To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:30 PM > Subject: [BAVARIA] Re: [BAVARIA] Zengel and Löffler > > > I, too, have been looking for LOEFFLER. My great grandmother was > Augusta Wilhelmine Leoffler > b. 28 Nov 1868 in Nieder-Planitz, Sachsen (Saxony) > imm. to US in mid - 1893 > m. 26 Oct 1893 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin (her sister was already married and > living in Milwaukee and had a boarder, orginianally from Kirchenlamitz, > Bayern (Bavaria), who was looking for a wife. He paid for Augusta's trip > over, so he could marry her). > Augusta's parents were Johann Gottlieb Loeffler b. 13 Oct 1822 in Planitz, > Sachsen and > Johanne Christiana Troeger b. 18 Nov 1828 in Haertendorf, Sachsen. > Johann's parents were Carl Friedrich Loeffler and Johanne Christiane > Sonntag. > I don't know if any of this is related to your Loefflers but I haven't had > much luck searching in the Saxony lists. > Good luck, Linda Giles > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janice M. Zengel" <zengel@comcast.net> > To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:58 PM > Subject: [BAVARIA] Zengel and Löffler > > >>I am looking for information about my ZENGEL and LÖFFLER ancestors. The >>following is what I know: >> >> My great-grandfather, Henry (Heinrich) ZENGEL, died March 5, 1903. >> According to his death certificate, he was 70 years old, and was born in >> Germany. >> >> My great-grandmother, Catherine (Katherine) Barbara Zengel, was born Feb >> 15, 1859 and died Jan 15, 1936. She was born in "Rollfeldt" Germany, >> and >> her father was Peter LÖFFLER. >> >> Henry and Catherne were married about 1887, presumably in or near >> Rollfeld. They came over to the U.S. in 1888 and settled in Baltimore, >> Maryland. >> >> Henry Zengel was married previously, and had a son Frank (Franz), born >> Jan 3, 1867, and, according to family rumors, a second child, neither of >> whom came to the U.S. with Henry and Catherine. However, Frank >> immigrated several years later, arriving on the S. S. Karlsruhe from >> Bremen, on April 10, 1890. He was listed as a "workman" from Bavaria. >> Since the Zengel family was Catholic, we believe that Henry Zengel's >> first wife, name unknown, must have died before 1887. >> >> Does anyone know anything about the ZENGEL or LÖFFLER families? >> >> Janice M. Zengel >> zengel@comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> ==== > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to be > added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? > Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records >