In a message dated 10/5/2005 9:00:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, BAVARIA-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Thank you, Paul, for your help. Now, I'm down to the place: Winterborn where my ancestor (Johannes Schr=F6= eder) says he was born or was from as listed on his 1820 passport. I have found two Winterborns: 1) Winterborn (or Winterborn-Pflaz) northeast of Saarbr=FCcken. 2) Winterborn - just outside of Bonn (northeast) & appears to be very sma= ll. Questions: Where both of these locations formerly in old Bavaria? I feel my ancestor's town/village is #1 (above) as it is the closest to B= aden-Baden where his son Daniel Schr=F6eder was supposedly born. Hi Deane: Unfortunately I'm not that familiar with the geography at that time, but I'm sure someone else on the list will be able to answer your question. Paul