I'm not so certain that there is a town called Lippe in Bavaria. There are two that I know of - both in northwestern germany and both about equal distance, and not very far from the Bremen port (1 to the south and 1 to the north). The one closest to the port of Hamburg, however, is: Lippe, Schleswig-Holstein, Plön, DE This site may be useful to you. http://www.lippe.de/ Did you try to find the declaration of intention or naturalization papers for Scheller? It makes it easier to find than normal, since he didn't leave NY. These papers would list his birth town. Assuming they immigrated in 1847, and he rec'd citizenship in 1852, the time span for these records, is narrowed down to less than 5 years. -Kay, FL ----------------------- Subj: [BAVARIA] Need help to locate origin of John Adam Scheller  Date: 9/3/2005 12:25:10 PM Eastern Standard Time From: RayAOne@aol.com Reply-to: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com I have a lot of information pertaining to my gr,gr,grandfather, John Adam  Scheller but can not find out where his home town is in "The Kingdom of  Bavaria. Facts I have proof of: *  Born 4/28/1814 (year confirmed by census reports in 1860  and 1870) *  Died 12/26/1888 in New York City (confirmed by death  certificate) *  Adam was Lutheran *  Buried in Lutheran Cemetery, Middle Village, NY (confirmed by death  certificate and    Cemetery records) *  Became a citizen 10/21/1852 in New York (confirmed by NARA) *  Married Dorothea Eva Goring (confirmed by Family Search IGI) - date  un known    Dorothea was born 11/10/1825 and died 12/12/1875 (Per death  certificate) *  Had 5 children (one died early) *  Census information:           1860:  Adam  Schiller - 44 (?); Doretta (?) 34; Adam 11; Amelia 9; Henry 6;  Margaret                       2/12;  Adam and Doretta's listed place of birth was Bavaria                      Adam was a cabinet maker.           1870:  Adam  Scheller - 56; Dorothy 45; Adam 21; Henry 16; Minnie 9                      Adam and Dorothy's listed place of birth was Bavaria                      Adam was a cabinet maker.           1880:  Nothing  found for Adam - Dorothea passed away in 1875.  Son George Adam                      Sheller listed with his family.  Census shows birth place for both Adam  and                     Dorothea  to be "Lippe".                     *  Dorothea Eva Goring emigrated from "Deutschland" on the Ship  Howard.  Arrival date was    May 28, 1847, Her age was 22.  Port of Departure was  Hamburg, Germany.  Port of Arrival    was New York.  On the same ship was a passenger named  Adam Schille (?).  This info    came from the New York, 1820-1850 Passenger and Immigration  Lists.