If I understood you correctly (I'm just learning German), here's a description that should answer your question. It's from: http://digiserve.com/heraldry/pimb_f.htm (Pimbley's Dictionary of Heraldry). There is also a German language site: http://www.heraldica.org/shell/translatd.pl. Fleur-de-lis - (flur'-de-lee) Heraldically this is a flower, and stands at the head of the flowers of heraldry. Its origin is unknown, one "authority" claiming that it was brought down from heaven by an angel for the arms of France. It is also said to mean the flower of Louis (Fleur de Louis), and was certainly used by Louis VII. It is undoubtedly the "flower of the lilly." Regards, Kathleen Schilling kschilli@hotmail.com Researching: SCHILLING, WEIGAND, WEIHL, HOELZER, LESCHIER, DAUT, SPAETH, SOHMERS, McGUIRE, BOYLE ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com