Sandy, First understand that real estate is at a premium in Europe. Towns have little or no space between them. There are no "wide open spaces" like in America. Cemeteries are full, hemmed in, and cannot expand. The original burial plot lease is for a certain period (variously 10-30 years). Close relatives plant the plot with flowers and frequently visit and tend the garden. The lease can be renewed indefinitely and, as long as someone pays for a renewal, nothing changes. Perhaps there is some absolute maximum time, I'm not sure, but eventually the deceased becomes a distant memory of current survivors, the lease is allowed to expire, and the grave is cleared. There is not much left of the human remains at that point. A German told me that any remains become part of road pavement. I don't know if he was joking or not, but it seems reasonable after all that time. Norm ----- Original Message ----- From: Sandy Passman To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 9:48 AM Subject: [BAVARIA] burials I have been reading the thread about burial sites being 'rented' for a time period with interest. But, I am not sure that I completely understand. How does that work? What happens to the original body? - is the first body buried deeply and then others buried on higher levels? or is the first body removed when the time is up? And, if so, what do they do with the remains? Thank you for clearing this up for me. Sandy USA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html to unsubscribe

In a message dated 06/17/2005 9:49:34 AM Central Daylight Time, sandypassman@yahoo.com writes: I have been reading the thread about burial sites being 'rented' for a time period with interest. In some areas of Germany you have the grave site for 15 years with the option of renewal. A friend of mine returned to Germany after some years and discovered that there was someone else in her mother's grave. Pfarrer Bischoff In einigen Gebieten von Deutschland haben Sie 15 Jahre die ernste Stelle mit der Möglichkeit von Erneuerung. Ein Freund von mir kam nach einigen Jahren nach Deutschland zurück und entdeckte, daß es anderer jemanden im Grab ihrer Mutter gab. Pfarrer Bischoff

Hello, Michael Rauck, In past Decembers you have alerted us to the request of the GFF for Gedcom files of our Franken ancestor databases. I would like to send them a Gedcom of my LINHARDT family from Benk, Oberfranken, but I am not sure to whom it should be sent. Should I send it to Mr. Gerhard Bauer whose address you gave us in Dec. 2003 or directly to the Archive address in Nurenburg which is on their web site? LaVerne, Researching BACHMANN, BOEHMKE, HEMMANN, HEINEMANN, LANDL, LINHARDT, OTTO, PIETSCHMANN, ROEHL, SEHLER, SIEVERS, TELLE, ZACHARIAE, ZEITLER

I have been reading the thread about burial sites being 'rented' for a time period with interest. But, I am not sure that I completely understand. How does that work? What happens to the original body? - is the first body buried deeply and then others buried on higher levels? or is the first body removed when the time is up? And, if so, what do they do with the remains? Thank you for clearing this up for me. Sandy USA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Dear List, I'm very anxious to find the birth date and parent's of the above Louisa, who is my 2nd Great Grandmother. I know that she left Germany and came to the USA about 1850 because she married Johann Frederick Auer in 1861 in Baltimore, MD. They moved from Baltimore to NYC abt 1860 and both died there. Thank you for any help you can offer me. Peggy in Utah, USA

Joseph, In Dodge Co, Wisconsin, there is at least one family named HEIMERL. Could they be distant cousins? Beth STEINBERG ARNOTT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Kramer" <kramer@erospirit.org> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 9:02 AM Subject: [BAVARIA] Connecting with family in Bavaria Dear Seekers of Family, My father who is 85 and I are seeking information on our Hämmerl family from Bogen. So I went to the German telephone book and looked up Hämmerl. http://www.telefonbuch.de/ There are 105 Hämmerls listed in Germany. The phone book has their full mailing addresses. I checked the zip codes from the Hämmerls in the phone book with their location in Germany. The German postal service has a site where you can look up towns and find the zip code or you can use the zip code (plz) and find the towns. The towns show up on a map. It is quite a good service. http://www.plz-postleitzahl.de/ I found 17 Hämmerls within twenty miles of my great grandfather's home town. I found 44 additional Hammerls listed in Bavaria, many within 75 miles of Bogen. For some of this info, I had to use www.mapquest.com. So I decided to send a letter to all 61 Hämmerls. I included a photo (on regular paper) of Joseph Hämmerl as a young man and his wedding photo. I kept the letter short and full of details that we know about our family in Germany. I sent the letter in my father's name (Walter) since he knew his grandfather very well. I did this three weeks ago and my father has received four enthusiastic email responses and one letter with genealogical info back to the 1700s. And I expect he will get a few more responses. We are learning more about our Hämmerl family in Germany. Below I am including a copy of the letter I sent. This letter is mostly in English but I had the letter translated into German before I sent it to the 61 Hämmerls. My father reads German and speaks some. I got the idea for this letter on this list a few months back when someone reported getting detailed info about common ancestors from relatives now living in Germany. Enjoy, Joseph Here is the letter: Walter Kramer 2432 Town and Country Lane St. Louis, Missouri 63131 USA 3 May 2005 Lieber Herr Hämmerl (or) Liebe Frau Hämmerl, My name is Walter Kramer and I live in St. Louis, Missouri, USA. I am seeking information on my Hämmerl family in Germany. My Grandfather Joseph Carl Hämmerl emigrated from Bogen to America in 1884. Here is what I know about my favorite Grandfather: Josef Carl Hämmerl was born in Bogen on 18 March 1869. His father was Max Hämmerl, the oberamtsrichter von Bogen. He had three brothers, Max, Johan and Lothar. He also had three sisters. One was named Amalie. He came to St. Louis about 1884. He married Mary Henrietta Berberich. When I was a boy, I lived with my Grossvater Hämmerl. He taught me about gardening. Before he died in 1939, he was the chief gardener for the City of St. Louis. I would like to know more about my Hämmerl family in Germany. Do we have mutual ancestors? I would be very happy to get an answer from you by email (PeggyKramer1@juno.com) or by mail und ich bedanke mich schon jetzt ganz herzlich dafuer. Viele Gruesse ueber den Ozean nach "Old Germany." (signed) Walter Kramer ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html to unsubscribe

Beth, Rodinea was English, born in London and married Wilhelm here. Her name is spelt like that on her marriage cert. It is unusual I know, but it is correct. Terry -----Original Message----- From: Dave or Beth Arnott [mailto:dsarnott@execpc.com] Sent: 13 June 2005 04:17 To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] EBERT Hi Terry, You ask why to try "Rosina" instead of "Rodinea." Here are a few reasons: 1. I have never heard of the name Rodinea. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist somewhere, however. In searching on Google, the only Rodinea seems to be a street in Toronto (?) 2. I have heard of several German Rosina's...including my Bavarian gr gr grandmother, and a Bavarian great-aunt. 3. All the stories about the census takers making mistakes, being in a hurry, getting caught in the rain, not knowing how to spell, being of a different nationality and therefore unfamiliar with names and spellings of others' names. 4. Experience... My ancestor "Alois," (male), written on the census as "Alice." (female). I have an ancestor with a first name of Viet. I have found it spelled as: Veit, Vert, Voit, Voight, Foit, Feit, etc. His last name, RUMPEL, has been found as: RUMPLE, RUMBLE, RUMBEL, RUNKEL, RINKLE, etc. 5. I have found more success with being very flexible about spellings than when I am not flexible. (Of course, I follow it up by looking for other corroborating evidence.) 6. I have a STAUSS who shows up in a census as STOUS. (Thank goodness for SOUNDEX for surnames!) 7. Hope this helps! Good luck, Beth STEINBERG ARNOTT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry King" <tmking@hurworth99.freeserve.co.uk> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 4:48 PM Subject: RE: [BAVARIA] EBERT > Beth, > Can you explain why ? Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave or Beth Arnott [mailto:dsarnott@execpc.com] > Sent: 11 June 2005 21:33 > To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] EBERT > > > Hi Terry, > > A thought just occurred to me. Have you tried looking for "Rosina" instead > of "Rodinea?" Just a thought. Beth ARNOTT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Terry King" <tmking@hurworth99.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 11:53 AM > Subject: [BAVARIA] EBERT > > > > Hi all, > > Still searching for info on the family of one Wlihelm EBERT who, > as > > a young man, up and went to London. He became a Tailor I believe, or his > > father was one. He married RODINEA WILLIAMSON in London. Thanks for any > > leads at all, Terry. > > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > > to unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to be > added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? > Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > to unsubscribe > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records

Beth, Can you explain why ? Terry -----Original Message----- From: Dave or Beth Arnott [mailto:dsarnott@execpc.com] Sent: 11 June 2005 21:33 To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] EBERT Hi Terry, A thought just occurred to me. Have you tried looking for "Rosina" instead of "Rodinea?" Just a thought. Beth ARNOTT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry King" <tmking@hurworth99.freeserve.co.uk> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 11:53 AM Subject: [BAVARIA] EBERT > Hi all, > Still searching for info on the family of one Wlihelm EBERT who, as > a young man, up and went to London. He became a Tailor I believe, or his > father was one. He married RODINEA WILLIAMSON in London. Thanks for any > leads at all, Terry. > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > to unsubscribe > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records

Hi Terry, You ask why to try "Rosina" instead of "Rodinea." Here are a few reasons: 1. I have never heard of the name Rodinea. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist somewhere, however. In searching on Google, the only Rodinea seems to be a street in Toronto (?) 2. I have heard of several German Rosina's...including my Bavarian gr gr grandmother, and a Bavarian great-aunt. 3. All the stories about the census takers making mistakes, being in a hurry, getting caught in the rain, not knowing how to spell, being of a different nationality and therefore unfamiliar with names and spellings of others' names. 4. Experience... My ancestor "Alois," (male), written on the census as "Alice." (female). I have an ancestor with a first name of Viet. I have found it spelled as: Veit, Vert, Voit, Voight, Foit, Feit, etc. His last name, RUMPEL, has been found as: RUMPLE, RUMBLE, RUMBEL, RUNKEL, RINKLE, etc. 5. I have found more success with being very flexible about spellings than when I am not flexible. (Of course, I follow it up by looking for other corroborating evidence.) 6. I have a STAUSS who shows up in a census as STOUS. (Thank goodness for SOUNDEX for surnames!) 7. Hope this helps! Good luck, Beth STEINBERG ARNOTT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry King" <tmking@hurworth99.freeserve.co.uk> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 4:48 PM Subject: RE: [BAVARIA] EBERT > Beth, > Can you explain why ? Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave or Beth Arnott [mailto:dsarnott@execpc.com] > Sent: 11 June 2005 21:33 > To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] EBERT > > > Hi Terry, > > A thought just occurred to me. Have you tried looking for "Rosina" instead > of "Rodinea?" Just a thought. Beth ARNOTT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Terry King" <tmking@hurworth99.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 11:53 AM > Subject: [BAVARIA] EBERT > > > > Hi all, > > Still searching for info on the family of one Wlihelm EBERT who, > as > > a young man, up and went to London. He became a Tailor I believe, or his > > father was one. He married RODINEA WILLIAMSON in London. Thanks for any > > leads at all, Terry. > > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > > to unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to be > added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? > Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > to unsubscribe > > >

Hi Terry, A thought just occurred to me. Have you tried looking for "Rosina" instead of "Rodinea?" Just a thought. Beth ARNOTT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry King" <tmking@hurworth99.freeserve.co.uk> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 11:53 AM Subject: [BAVARIA] EBERT > Hi all, > Still searching for info on the family of one Wlihelm EBERT who, as > a young man, up and went to London. He became a Tailor I believe, or his > father was one. He married RODINEA WILLIAMSON in London. Thanks for any > leads at all, Terry. > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > to unsubscribe > > >

sbittinger@pennswoods.net wrote: >I am trying to find out about my family, the Crawfords. My gg grandfather was >Joseph Crawford from Bavaria. His mother was a Krause that came to America >without her husband. If anyone knows anything about my family, please advise. > >These Crawfords came to Lonaconing, MD (western MD) > >thanks, >Sherry (Preston) Bittinger > > >==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== >Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? >Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records > > > > > Dear Sherry, I am researching Crawfords as well. My James Crawford was born Jan 11, 1824 in Delaware Co., OH. I know nothing about him before. He did marry a German girl in Delaware, OH. I guess I never thought Crawford could be German. What year was you Joseph Crawford born? Maybe you have opened up a window that I never thought of before. Hope to hear from you. Ann

Hi all, Still searching for info on the family of one Wlihelm EBERT who, as a young man, up and went to London. He became a Tailor I believe, or his father was one. He married RODINEA WILLIAMSON in London. Thanks for any leads at all, Terry.

Terry, There were quite a few Eberts in Oberlauda, Baden. -Carl Oehmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry King" <tmking@hurworth99.freeserve.co.uk> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 11:53 AM Subject: [BAVARIA] EBERT > Hi all, > Still searching for info on the family of one Wlihelm EBERT who, as > a young man, up and went to London. He became a Tailor I believe, or his > father was one. He married RODINEA WILLIAMSON in London. Thanks for any > leads at all, Terry. > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > to unsubscribe > >

Very good question! Beth STEINBERG ARNOTT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Davenport" <Davenport@post.Harvard.edu> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] Heinlein > > > Do these posts have anything to do with the surname Heinlein? > > > > > > > > > > At 08:11 PM 6/5/2005, you wrote: > >Now that we have that figured out... Does anyone have any Meyer or Mayers > >from Wasserberndorf? Or I have a Friedrich Maring from ? looks like > >"Burch Urach, Bayern". May be Burgebrach, which is near > >Wasserberndorf. My ancestor Friederich Maring married Anna Barbara Mayer > >in PA. Her birth place is definitely Wasserberndorf (on her death > >certificate). She was born in 1818 and died in Potosi, WI. > > > >Jayne Overgard > >Grass Valley, CA > > > >GilMarlin@aol.com wrote: > > > >>Good work from the list.........always the best! > >> > >> > >>==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > >>Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to be > >>added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? > >>Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > >Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > >to unsubscribe > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? > Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records > > >

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I am trying to find out about my family, the Crawfords. My gg grandfather was Joseph Crawford from Bavaria. His mother was a Krause that came to America without her husband. If anyone knows anything about my family, please advise. These Crawfords came to Lonaconing, MD (western MD) thanks, Sherry (Preston) Bittinger

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yes, I was trying to get in touch with the Heinleins in Mainlius

Jayne, Do you have the Parents, etc., on Friedrich Maring...?? This is one of my family names that I have been working on for 50 years.. TNX John A. Mehring 28 Tree Top Trail, Fairfield, PA 17320-8237 E-MAIL: jamehring@adelphia.net ========================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jayne Overgard" <jayne@fvt.com> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 10:19 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] Maring Meyer Mayer > Robert Davenport wrote: > > > > > > > Do these posts have anything to do with the surname Heinlein? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 08:11 PM 6/5/2005, you wrote: > > > >> Now that we have that figured out... Does anyone have any Meyer or > >> Mayers from Wasserberndorf? Or I have a Friedrich Maring from ? > >> looks like "Burch Urach, Bayern". May be Burgebrach, which is near > >> Wasserberndorf. My ancestor Friederich Maring married Anna Barbara > >> Mayer in PA. Her birth place is definitely Wasserberndorf (on her > >> death certificate). She was born in 1818 and died in Potosi, WI. > >> > >> Jayne Overgard > >> Grass Valley, CA > >> > >> GilMarlin@aol.com wrote: > >> > >>> Good work from the list.........always the best! > >>> > >>> > >>> ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > >>> Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to > >>> be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? > >>> Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > >> Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > >> to unsubscribe > >> > > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > > Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to > > be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? > > Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records > > > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > to unsubscribe > >

Good work from the list.........always the best!