"how far anyone has traced there German ancestors and are they hard to trace?" Luck is especially useful. I checked the IGI only after considerable urging from friends. Even though my ancestors were Roman Catholics, the surname I sought, my mother's maiden name, was on the IGI. The IGI dates agreed with those passed down by the family and those that I corroborated with the US Federal Census. The IGI provided the LDS film reference of the Roman Catholic church records which had accurate family group pages back to 1770. -----Original Message----- From: SANDY FAIRCHILD [mailto:co_sandy@msn.com] Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 7:26 PM To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] Tracing German Ancestors New at this Hi Donna, This URL might be very helpful in answering some of your initial questions and providing resources for you to explore. http://www.genealogienetz.de/faqs/sgg.html<http://www.genealogienetz.de/faqs /sgg.html> In a word, no, it is not easy, whether here or in Germany. Mike's advice is excellent, with great emphasis on the need to know what village or town family came from for any hope of success in Germany. There is much available on line, but much that is not. American records are critical sources of information. Some are free and many not. Start with yourself and work backwards thoroughly. Be very organized from the beginning so you have fewer regrets later. Some spend years, even lifetimes researching their families. This and other lists are very helpful and supportive with the process. It is a remarkable journey, and you will learn much. Good luck to you. Sandy P.S. Never hesitate to ask a question. Provide as much information as you can so others can be helpful to you. ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Osborn<mailto:dosborn@pldi.net> To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 6:19 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] Tracing German Ancestors New at this I would like to know how far anyone has traced there German ancestors and are they hard to trace? Is it easy to trace people in Germany? And does anyone have any suggestions for some one getting started? I need help. Donna

Hi Donna, This URL might be very helpful in answering some of your initial questions and providing resources for you to explore. http://www.genealogienetz.de/faqs/sgg.html<http://www.genealogienetz.de/faqs/sgg.html> In a word, no, it is not easy, whether here or in Germany. Mike's advice is excellent, with great emphasis on the need to know what village or town family came from for any hope of success in Germany. There is much available on line, but much that is not. American records are critical sources of information. Some are free and many not. Start with yourself and work backwards thoroughly. Be very organized from the beginning so you have fewer regrets later. Some spend years, even lifetimes researching their families. This and other lists are very helpful and supportive with the process. It is a remarkable journey, and you will learn much. Good luck to you. Sandy P.S. Never hesitate to ask a question. Provide as much information as you can so others can be helpful to you. ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Osborn<mailto:dosborn@pldi.net> To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 6:19 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] Tracing German Ancestors New at this I would like to know how far anyone has traced there German ancestors and are they hard to trace? Is it easy to trace people in Germany? And does anyone have any suggestions for some one getting started? I need help. Donna ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records<mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records>

I would like to know how far anyone has traced there German ancestors and are they hard to trace? Is it easy to trace people in Germany? And does anyone have any suggestions for some one getting started? I need help. Donna

I am not sure why your family went to Milwaukee but I do know that part of my family landed in ND. The RR recruited people to move along the tracks in the Dakotas to populate the area. Each town was settled by a particular group. German, Sweds etc. In some cases some Germans landed in the Swed towns or the Norwegians ended up in German towns and so on. This created a lot of home sickness...this coupled with the fact that where they had come from was nothing like SD or ND. The RR ran ads in the old countried that said..."The Datokas...where the sun goes in winter". This was true. There are a lot of sunny days in N&S D..however, they are cold sunny days. My family came from Bohemia right along the Bavarian border. The Bohmerwaldt. Very forested and hilly countryside. When they landed in Grand Forks they were home sick from the start. The family was large and there were two sisters that were married and living in Milwaukee. Milwaukee was very German and most everyone spoke German Great Grandma had died in Bohemia in 1891 just before the family emigrated to the US. In the spring of 1893 there was a bad flood. A100 years flood, like the one they had a few years ago. The family lived on RR land right along the Red River of the North. The house flooded and Great Grandpa caught pneumonia and died. They figured it best to move back to Milwaukee. They packed Great Grandpa up on the RR and shipped him off to Milwaukee with the younger kids. Of the children only the oldest son was married. He said that he would fulfill the obligation to the RR for the homestead and after that, move back to Milwaukee. 113 years later, that family is still in ND. but they continue to move to Minneapolis and Milwaukee as the kids get older. You must also remember that this was flat country and the indians were still a bit mad at the settlers. Milwaukee was an up and coming city with lots of opportunities. That's one reason. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave or Beth Arnott" <dsarnott@execpc.com> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 9:54 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] South Dakota Question > Hi to all, > > Looking for info. My immigrant ancestor (gr-grandfather) came from > Bavaria to Milw. WI in 1874. He settled in Milwaukee after marrying a > Barbara BACHHUBER, who was born in Dodge Co., WI...approx 50 mi north of > Milwaukee. > > In my research on this German line, I keep bumping into people who moved > to South Dakota in the 1880's/1890's. One family moved to SD and stayed; > another moved there for a while, and then came back to WI. Now I've > discovered a person who was born in SD in about 1882, and a few years > later, her family moved to Milwaukee. > > Can anyone enlighten me about this moving back and forth between WI and > SD? Was it just part of the "westward expansion?" I wonder why they > didn't seem to go to Minnesota or Iowa or ND, but seemed to prefer SD. > > Thanks for any input, Beth STEINBERG ARNOTT > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to be > added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? > Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records >

Hi Tracy, the catholic church in Bavaria wasn't too fond of having their church books filmed by the Mormons. Therefore a lot of Bavarian catholic church books are not on familysearch.org. (Also, beware of the transcriptions as they are full of errors.) Regards Stefan On 7/25/05, Tracy J. <tracyj1@comcast.net> wrote: > Why don't you go to your neared Family History Center, by LDS and order the > film. You can see their church films on www.familysearch.org. >

Addendum - Röllfeld is part of the city of KLINGENBERG nowadays, see http://www.klingenberg-main.de/stadtinfo/engl_info.htm They have some files on the history of RÖLLFELD and the parish at http://www.klingenberg-main.de/geschichte/geschichte_ueberblick.htm (You'll probably need to translate them.) Regards Stefan

Hello Janet, Rollfeld is in the Spessart mountain range. It's actually spelled Röllfeld (with an oe-Umlaut). The town of Röllfeld seems to be quite small. I've seen gedcom-files that list ZENGEL in Grossostheim and Elsenfeld (which are both not far away), the name could be in many other of the villages there as well. The catholic church records of Röllfeld are available at the Dioesezanarchiv in Würzburg. Here's their English language page with the information you need to do family research (incl. opening hours): http://www.kirchenserver.net/bwo/dcms/sites/bistum/information/sgv/dioezesanarchiv/english/index.html When I went there during the week, only about half of the seats were taken. They have very good equipment. The archives are open to the general public, but their assets are not to leave the reading room. There's one person from the staff on duty. This person sits in a little cubicle and you walk up and ask for the town you are interested in. You are then provided with the microfiches that you can look through at one of the seats. (There's some small fee.) I am not sure how good the staff understand English. They will not help you in reading or deciphering anything. You should be able to read old German handwritings. Also, it's good to have some notion of Church latin, as the entries are very likely not in German. It's very likely that you will look at the latin version of the first names, e.g. Henricus (for Heinrich = Henry). No photographs are allowed, but there's a printer at some of the reading stations. (75 eurocent/copy) Time flies in the archives, so come early and well prepared. Also, Würzburg is a very famous and popular tourist town. By all means go and see the Palace (Residenz) and the castle. The area is renowned for its wine, too. http://www.wuerzburg.de/system/international/englisch/congress/sights/ Regards Stefan

Why don't you go to your neared Family History Center, by LDS and order the film. You can see their church films on www.familysearch.org. Tracy J> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Zengel Messer" <jzm@atlantic.net> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 6:43 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] ZENGEL - LOFFLER - Genealogy research in Bavaria > My sister and I will be traveling to Bavaria around the middle of > September, and while there we hope to do some research on our great > grandparents' families. (They were Henry ZENGEL born c1833 and Katherine > Barbara LOEFFLER born c1859.) From Katherine's funeral records, we learned > that her father was Peter LOEFFLER of Rollfeld, so we are assuming that my > great grandfather was also from that town or a nearby town. > > We would appreciate any advice anyone can give us for researching the > appropriate church and civil records in Rollfeld and/or in Wuerzburg, where > I understand the diocese records are kept. How accessible are these > records? Is it necessary to make an appointment, or are they open to the > public? > > Also, does anyone know anything about the town of Rollfeld, or any Catholic > Churches in or near that town? > > Finally, any suggestions for "must-see" places in Bavaria? We will be > flying in and out of Frankfurt and renting a car. We will have about 8 > days for tourism and family tree research. > > Thank you! > > Best regards, > Janet Zengel Messer > Micanopy, Florida USA > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > to unsubscribe > >

Hi to all, Looking for info. My immigrant ancestor (gr-grandfather) came from Bavaria to Milw. WI in 1874. He settled in Milwaukee after marrying a Barbara BACHHUBER, who was born in Dodge Co., WI...approx 50 mi north of Milwaukee. In my research on this German line, I keep bumping into people who moved to South Dakota in the 1880's/1890's. One family moved to SD and stayed; another moved there for a while, and then came back to WI. Now I've discovered a person who was born in SD in about 1882, and a few years later, her family moved to Milwaukee. Can anyone enlighten me about this moving back and forth between WI and SD? Was it just part of the "westward expansion?" I wonder why they didn't seem to go to Minnesota or Iowa or ND, but seemed to prefer SD. Thanks for any input, Beth STEINBERG ARNOTT

Your trip sounds fantastic! How fortunate to have your sister interested in your ancestors, too. The only advice I can think of is that if you don't know any German, try to learn some. I think it's a little harder to communicate in small towns than in large cities, where more Germans know English. (Did you ever wonder why, when we travel to Europe, we more or less expect the Europeans [I've been to Italy and Greece] to speak at least some English... and they do!) And then if someone from a foreign country comes to the US, we hardly ever know their language? I know English is sort of "universal," but it seems a bit one-sided. Good luck with your plans! Say hi to Bavaria for me, since I didn't get there this year! Beth STEINBERG ARNOTT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Zengel Messer" <jzm@atlantic.net> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 5:51 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] ZENGEL - LOFFLER - Genealogy research in Bavaria > My sister and I will be traveling to Bavaria around the middle of > September, and while there we hope to do some research on our great > grandparents' families. (They were Henry ZENGEL born c1833 and Katherine > Barbara LOEFFLER born c1859.) From Katherine's funeral records, we learned > that her father was Peter LOEFFLER of Rollfeld, so we are assuming that my > great grandfather was also from that town or a nearby town. > > We would appreciate any advice anyone can give us for researching the > appropriate church and civil records in Rollfeld and/or in Wuerzburg, where > I understand the diocese records are kept. How accessible are these > records? Is it necessary to make an appointment, or are they open to the > public? > > Also, does anyone know anything about the town of Rollfeld, or any Catholic > Churches in or near that town? > > Finally, any suggestions for "must-see" places in Bavaria? We will be > flying in and out of Frankfurt and renting a car. We will have about 8 > days for tourism and family tree research. > > Thank you! > > Best regards, > Janet Zengel Messer > Micanopy, Florida USA > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? > Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records > > >

My sister and I will be traveling to Bavaria around the middle of September, and while there we hope to do some research on our great grandparents' families. (They were Henry ZENGEL born c1833 and Katherine Barbara LOEFFLER born c1859.) From Katherine's funeral records, we learned that her father was Peter LOEFFLER of Rollfeld, so we are assuming that my great grandfather was also from that town or a nearby town. We would appreciate any advice anyone can give us for researching the appropriate church and civil records in Rollfeld and/or in Wuerzburg, where I understand the diocese records are kept. How accessible are these records? Is it necessary to make an appointment, or are they open to the public? Also, does anyone know anything about the town of Rollfeld, or any Catholic Churches in or near that town? Finally, any suggestions for "must-see" places in Bavaria? We will be flying in and out of Frankfurt and renting a car. We will have about 8 days for tourism and family tree research. Thank you! Best regards, Janet Zengel Messer Micanopy, Florida USA

My sister and I will be traveling to Bavaria around the middle of September, and while there we hope to do some research on our great grandparents' families. (They were Henry ZENGEL born c1833 and Katherine Barbara LOEFFLER born c1859.) From Katherine's funeral records, we learned that her father was Peter LOEFFLER of Rollfeld, so we are assuming that my great grandfather was also from that town or a nearby town. We would appreciate any advice anyone can give us for researching the appropriate church and civil records in Rollfeld and/or in Wuerzburg, where I understand the diocese records are kept. How accessible are these records? Is it necessary to make an appointment, or are they open to the public? Also, does anyone know anything about the town of Rollfeld, or any Catholic Churches in or near that town? Finally, any suggestions for "must-see" places in Bavaria? We will be flying in and out of Frankfurt and renting a car. We will have about 8 days for tourism and family tree research. Thank you! Best regards, Janet Zengel Messer Micanopy, Florida USA

Thanks Beth, My grandmother Loeffler was apparently from Saxony and married a Schobert, in Milwaukee, from Bavaria. Her sister who was married and in Milwaukee already may have come over single and married in the US or may have been married in Germany, but since the only name I have for her is Lena - probably a nick name, I have no way of tracking her down. But thank you for the info, it's very interesting. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave or Beth Arnott" <dsarnott@execpc.com> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 7:42 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] Re: [BAVARIA] Re: [BAVARIA] Zengel and Löffler > Hi Linda, > > Well, maybe I jumped the gun a bit, but here's what's in the book titled, > "German-American Artists in Early Milwaukee: A Biographical Dictionary." > The author (compiler) is Peter C. MERRILL. > > I believe it is OK to paraphrase and share this information, as there is > no > statement in the beginning of the book about getting permission from the > author. > > LOEFFLER, Louis, b. 1850 in Bavaria. Fresco painter & sign painter who > immigrated to the US via Baltimore in Aug, 1876. By 1878, he and Alois > STEINBERG (my gr-gr grndfthr) had a business called STEINBERG and > LOEFFLER. > They built altars and pulpits. The firm lasted until about 1880. In > 1883, > LOEFFLER formed a partnership with Charles BUCKELMUELLER, sign painters, > at > 316 West Water St. Then LOEFFLER became a free-lance fresco artist. He > may > have been related to the painter Frank LOEFFLER or to the stone-carver > Adolph LOEFFLER. They are both found in the city directories from 1878 > thfough 1889. (I shortened it up and paraphrased it.) > > But your people came from Saxony? But there is mention of Bavaria? I can > give you more detail if wanted. > > Best Wishes, Beth STEINBERG ARNOTT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Giles" <forlgiles@telus.net> > To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:30 PM > Subject: [BAVARIA] Re: [BAVARIA] Zengel and Löffler > > > I, too, have been looking for LOEFFLER. My great grandmother was > Augusta Wilhelmine Leoffler > b. 28 Nov 1868 in Nieder-Planitz, Sachsen (Saxony) > imm. to US in mid - 1893 > m. 26 Oct 1893 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin (her sister was already married and > living in Milwaukee and had a boarder, orginianally from Kirchenlamitz, > Bayern (Bavaria), who was looking for a wife. He paid for Augusta's trip > over, so he could marry her). > Augusta's parents were Johann Gottlieb Loeffler b. 13 Oct 1822 in Planitz, > Sachsen and > Johanne Christiana Troeger b. 18 Nov 1828 in Haertendorf, Sachsen. > Johann's parents were Carl Friedrich Loeffler and Johanne Christiane > Sonntag. > I don't know if any of this is related to your Loefflers but I haven't had > much luck searching in the Saxony lists. > Good luck, Linda Giles > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janice M. Zengel" <zengel@comcast.net> > To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:58 PM > Subject: [BAVARIA] Zengel and Löffler > > >>I am looking for information about my ZENGEL and LÖFFLER ancestors. The >>following is what I know: >> >> My great-grandfather, Henry (Heinrich) ZENGEL, died March 5, 1903. >> According to his death certificate, he was 70 years old, and was born in >> Germany. >> >> My great-grandmother, Catherine (Katherine) Barbara Zengel, was born Feb >> 15, 1859 and died Jan 15, 1936. She was born in "Rollfeldt" Germany, >> and >> her father was Peter LÖFFLER. >> >> Henry and Catherne were married about 1887, presumably in or near >> Rollfeld. They came over to the U.S. in 1888 and settled in Baltimore, >> Maryland. >> >> Henry Zengel was married previously, and had a son Frank (Franz), born >> Jan 3, 1867, and, according to family rumors, a second child, neither of >> whom came to the U.S. with Henry and Catherine. However, Frank >> immigrated several years later, arriving on the S. S. Karlsruhe from >> Bremen, on April 10, 1890. He was listed as a "workman" from Bavaria. >> Since the Zengel family was Catholic, we believe that Henry Zengel's >> first wife, name unknown, must have died before 1887. >> >> Does anyone know anything about the ZENGEL or LÖFFLER families? >> >> Janice M. Zengel >> zengel@comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> ==== > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to be > added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? > Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records >

Hi Linda, Well, maybe I jumped the gun a bit, but here's what's in the book titled, "German-American Artists in Early Milwaukee: A Biographical Dictionary." The author (compiler) is Peter C. MERRILL. I believe it is OK to paraphrase and share this information, as there is no statement in the beginning of the book about getting permission from the author. LOEFFLER, Louis, b. 1850 in Bavaria. Fresco painter & sign painter who immigrated to the US via Baltimore in Aug, 1876. By 1878, he and Alois STEINBERG (my gr-gr grndfthr) had a business called STEINBERG and LOEFFLER. They built altars and pulpits. The firm lasted until about 1880. In 1883, LOEFFLER formed a partnership with Charles BUCKELMUELLER, sign painters, at 316 West Water St. Then LOEFFLER became a free-lance fresco artist. He may have been related to the painter Frank LOEFFLER or to the stone-carver Adolph LOEFFLER. They are both found in the city directories from 1878 thfough 1889. (I shortened it up and paraphrased it.) But your people came from Saxony? But there is mention of Bavaria? I can give you more detail if wanted. Best Wishes, Beth STEINBERG ARNOTT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Giles" <forlgiles@telus.net> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:30 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] Re: [BAVARIA] Zengel and Löffler I, too, have been looking for LOEFFLER. My great grandmother was Augusta Wilhelmine Leoffler b. 28 Nov 1868 in Nieder-Planitz, Sachsen (Saxony) imm. to US in mid - 1893 m. 26 Oct 1893 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin (her sister was already married and living in Milwaukee and had a boarder, orginianally from Kirchenlamitz, Bayern (Bavaria), who was looking for a wife. He paid for Augusta's trip over, so he could marry her). Augusta's parents were Johann Gottlieb Loeffler b. 13 Oct 1822 in Planitz, Sachsen and Johanne Christiana Troeger b. 18 Nov 1828 in Haertendorf, Sachsen. Johann's parents were Carl Friedrich Loeffler and Johanne Christiane Sonntag. I don't know if any of this is related to your Loefflers but I haven't had much luck searching in the Saxony lists. Good luck, Linda Giles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice M. Zengel" <zengel@comcast.net> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:58 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] Zengel and Löffler >I am looking for information about my ZENGEL and LÖFFLER ancestors. The >following is what I know: > > My great-grandfather, Henry (Heinrich) ZENGEL, died March 5, 1903. > According to his death certificate, he was 70 years old, and was born in > Germany. > > My great-grandmother, Catherine (Katherine) Barbara Zengel, was born Feb > 15, 1859 and died Jan 15, 1936. She was born in "Rollfeldt" Germany, and > her father was Peter LÖFFLER. > > Henry and Catherne were married about 1887, presumably in or near > Rollfeld. They came over to the U.S. in 1888 and settled in Baltimore, > Maryland. > > Henry Zengel was married previously, and had a son Frank (Franz), born > Jan 3, 1867, and, according to family rumors, a second child, neither of > whom came to the U.S. with Henry and Catherine. However, Frank > immigrated several years later, arriving on the S. S. Karlsruhe from > Bremen, on April 10, 1890. He was listed as a "workman" from Bavaria. > Since the Zengel family was Catholic, we believe that Henry Zengel's > first wife, name unknown, must have died before 1887. > > Does anyone know anything about the ZENGEL or LÖFFLER families? > > Janice M. Zengel > zengel@comcast.net > > > > > ====

Linda! Did you see my reply to Janice ZENGEL?? My gr-grandfather had a business partner in Milwaukee in the 1880's or 1890's. My gr grfath. was a woodcarver (church altars pulpits, communion railings) and Mr. LOEFFLER was a painter, and somehow they worked together. I am leaving immediately for the library to look at the book ABOUT German artists of early Milwaukee to see if Mr. LOEFFLER is in it. My gr-grfath. is in it. This is great news, no? Beth STEINBERG ARNOTT Keep in touch!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Giles" <forlgiles@telus.net> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:30 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] Re: [BAVARIA] Zengel and Löffler I, too, have been looking for LOEFFLER. My great grandmother was Augusta Wilhelmine Leoffler b. 28 Nov 1868 in Nieder-Planitz, Sachsen (Saxony) imm. to US in mid - 1893 m. 26 Oct 1893 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin (her sister was already married and living in Milwaukee and had a boarder, orginianally from Kirchenlamitz, Bayern (Bavaria), who was looking for a wife. He paid for Augusta's trip over, so he could marry her). Augusta's parents were Johann Gottlieb Loeffler b. 13 Oct 1822 in Planitz, Sachsen and Johanne Christiana Troeger b. 18 Nov 1828 in Haertendorf, Sachsen. Johann's parents were Carl Friedrich Loeffler and Johanne Christiane Sonntag. I don't know if any of this is related to your Loefflers but I haven't had much luck searching in the Saxony lists. Good luck, Linda Giles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice M. Zengel" <zengel@comcast.net> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:58 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] Zengel and Löffler >I am looking for information about my ZENGEL and LÖFFLER ancestors. The >following is what I know: > > My great-grandfather, Henry (Heinrich) ZENGEL, died March 5, 1903. > According to his death certificate, he was 70 years old, and was born in > Germany. > > My great-grandmother, Catherine (Katherine) Barbara Zengel, was born Feb > 15, 1859 and died Jan 15, 1936. She was born in "Rollfeldt" Germany, and > her father was Peter LÖFFLER. > > Henry and Catherne were married about 1887, presumably in or near > Rollfeld. They came over to the U.S. in 1888 and settled in Baltimore, > Maryland. > > Henry Zengel was married previously, and had a son Frank (Franz), born > Jan 3, 1867, and, according to family rumors, a second child, neither of > whom came to the U.S. with Henry and Catherine. However, Frank > immigrated several years later, arriving on the S. S. Karlsruhe from > Bremen, on April 10, 1890. He was listed as a "workman" from Bavaria. > Since the Zengel family was Catholic, we believe that Henry Zengel's > first wife, name unknown, must have died before 1887. > > Does anyone know anything about the ZENGEL or LÖFFLER families? > > Janice M. Zengel > zengel@comcast.net > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > to unsubscribe > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records

I, too, have been looking for LOEFFLER. My great grandmother was Augusta Wilhelmine Leoffler b. 28 Nov 1868 in Nieder-Planitz, Sachsen (Saxony) imm. to US in mid - 1893 m. 26 Oct 1893 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin (her sister was already married and living in Milwaukee and had a boarder, orginianally from Kirchenlamitz, Bayern (Bavaria), who was looking for a wife. He paid for Augusta's trip over, so he could marry her). Augusta's parents were Johann Gottlieb Loeffler b. 13 Oct 1822 in Planitz, Sachsen and Johanne Christiana Troeger b. 18 Nov 1828 in Haertendorf, Sachsen. Johann's parents were Carl Friedrich Loeffler and Johanne Christiane Sonntag. I don't know if any of this is related to your Loefflers but I haven't had much luck searching in the Saxony lists. Good luck, Linda Giles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice M. Zengel" <zengel@comcast.net> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:58 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] Zengel and Löffler >I am looking for information about my ZENGEL and LÖFFLER ancestors. The >following is what I know: > > My great-grandfather, Henry (Heinrich) ZENGEL, died March 5, 1903. > According to his death certificate, he was 70 years old, and was born in > Germany. > > My great-grandmother, Catherine (Katherine) Barbara Zengel, was born Feb > 15, 1859 and died Jan 15, 1936. She was born in "Rollfeldt" Germany, and > her father was Peter LÖFFLER. > > Henry and Catherne were married about 1887, presumably in or near > Rollfeld. They came over to the U.S. in 1888 and settled in Baltimore, > Maryland. > > Henry Zengel was married previously, and had a son Frank (Franz), born > Jan 3, 1867, and, according to family rumors, a second child, neither of > whom came to the U.S. with Henry and Catherine. However, Frank > immigrated several years later, arriving on the S. S. Karlsruhe from > Bremen, on April 10, 1890. He was listed as a "workman" from Bavaria. > Since the Zengel family was Catholic, we believe that Henry Zengel's > first wife, name unknown, must have died before 1887. > > Does anyone know anything about the ZENGEL or LÖFFLER families? > > Janice M. Zengel > zengel@comcast.net > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > to unsubscribe >

Janice, I am wondering if the town you are mentioning isn't "Hollfeld". This town lies between Bamberg and Bayreuth. I have ancestors from a small village outside Hollfeld but they were catholic and went to church in Hollfeld. They also immigrated around 1888. The story goes that the father brought 3 children over here, went back to bring the rest of the family but his wife would not come so he stayed in Germany. I'm still working on the immigration of Johann Nikol and the 3 children. Dorothy Gard garddj@infionline.net

I am looking for information about my ZENGEL and LÖFFLER ancestors. The following is what I know: My great-grandfather, Henry (Heinrich) ZENGEL, died March 5, 1903. According to his death certificate, he was 70 years old, and was born in Germany. My great-grandmother, Catherine (Katherine) Barbara Zengel, was born Feb 15, 1859 and died Jan 15, 1936. She was born in "Rollfeldt" Germany, and her father was Peter LÖFFLER. Henry and Catherne were married about 1887, presumably in or near Rollfeld. They came over to the U.S. in 1888 and settled in Baltimore, Maryland. Henry Zengel was married previously, and had a son Frank (Franz), born Jan 3, 1867, and, according to family rumors, a second child, neither of whom came to the U.S. with Henry and Catherine. However, Frank immigrated several years later, arriving on the S. S. Karlsruhe from Bremen, on April 10, 1890. He was listed as a "workman" from Bavaria. Since the Zengel family was Catholic, we believe that Henry Zengel's first wife, name unknown, must have died before 1887. Does anyone know anything about the ZENGEL or LÖFFLER families? Janice M. Zengel zengel@comcast.net

I didn't need any of the Bauer info but read thru some anyway as an off chance might connect with one of the German ancestors...... Since I am unsure of anything connecting most of the German ancestors named Messner, Sommeheimer(?) Sofer and Lewis. All possibly from Bavaria- Alsace Lorriane. Yes, Lewis, George-(as from Wales) and settled in Germany possibly as a seaman, married a Eliza Sofer and had a son George (b. 1845)? who I know came to USA but not when, not sure if parents came also. ( I only know he married elizabeth Messner in 1878 in NYC.) and would be my husbands Great grandfather. I sure wish someone could have found a Lewis for me in Germany- with even just half the info koffeecup provided. None of these relatives are alive to ask, and my husband never knew any from that side of family since his own Father died very young. So, thanks to Barbara for those that did get info from her, maybe one day I'll be lucky, too!

Mike - Have you considered going to a computer consultant for help in retrieving your email? Some friends in a similar situation had good luck after going to an expert. Good luck! Kathleen Wieland in Connecticut, by way of New Orleans ----- Original Message ----- > > Last week I had major computer problem. > When it was over, I found ALL my emails gone. > As you can guess, this was a major disaster. > All my carefully labeled and organized email folders, and the pictures and data they contained were gone. > This was about a two year collection of information. >