Hello Researchers ., I would appreciate any help available. I have been tracing Henry Adam KIMPEL and wife Suzanna Mary ? and family since Canadian Census Ontario 1861. My data reports... John KIMPEL born about 1805 in Bavaria, Germany.He died in CANADA :Ontario, Waterloo County Apr. 9 1877. It appears that the KIMPELS arrived in Canada in the early 1850's . John and wife :Suzanna Mary ? arrived in Canada with possibly four children as showing up on the 1861 Ontario Census. - Henry 's birth date is stated as Feb.29, 1839. Canadian (census)1861.It also stated Henry's birth place was Hessen , Germany. - Catherine birth abt. 1846 -John birth abt 1848 -Susanna birth abt1850. I have been unable to locate births in Ontario birth records. Possibly the children were born in Germany. Also stated on census 1861 and others : Henry Adam KIMPEL was German speaking , Lutheran religion , and worked as a labourer. Suzanna Mary was stated to be R.Catholic religion and also spoken German Any aditional information previous to 1861 Canadian Census would be appreciated. Thanks ...Keith keith@whittington.ca

Unsubcribe ----- Original Message ----- From: <BAVARIA-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <BAVARIA-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 12:00 AM Subject: BAVARIA-D Digest V05 #142

I have often found the marriage recorded both in the bride's church and the groom's church. Sometimes the record will say where the ceremony took place, but not always. Also the bride may have been working in the groom's community and as an adult be a member of that church. LaVerne BAVARIA-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: BAVARIA-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 141 ______________________________Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:39:04 -0400 From: Janet Zengel Messer <jzm@atlantic.net> To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Bavarian marriage customs I have just learned that my great grandparents Heinreich ZENGEL and Catherina Barbara LÖFFLER were married c1887 in Großwallstadt, which I believe was Heinreich's home town, and not in Catherine's home town of Röllfeld. I know that it was traditional with my English family lines for a marriage to take place in the bride's church. Was there any particular custom for Bavarian or Catholic weddings with regard to where a marriage took place? Thank you! Best regards, Janet Zengel Messer Micanopy, Florida USA

I have just learned that my great grandparents Heinreich ZENGEL and Catherina Barbara LÖFFLER were married c1887 in Großwallstadt, which I believe was Heinreich's home town, and not in Catherine's home town of Röllfeld. I know that it was traditional with my English family lines for a marriage to take place in the bride's church. Was there any particular custom for Bavarian or Catholic weddings with regard to where a marriage took place? Thank you! Best regards, Janet Zengel Messer Micanopy, Florida USA

I now have two more surnames to add to the hunt, in addition to my great grandparents, Heinreich ZENGEL and Catherina Barbara LÖFFLER. I have learned that Heinreich's first wife was Catherine HAHN. She must have died sometime before 1886, as that was the year Heinreich married again. I suspect her family was from somewhere in the Großwallstadt area. And I have also just learned that Catherine's father was Peter Josef LÖFFLER (born 30 June 1811 in Röffleld, died 16 February 1862). Her mother was Elisabetha SCHMITT (born 11 March 1821 in Röllfeld, died 29 September 1887). Catherine had two brothers, Franz LÖFFLER (1848-1910) and Heinreich LÖFFLER (1857-1916), and one sister, Maria Charlotte LÖFFLER (1850-1913). Does anyone know anything about LÖFFLERs or SCHMITTs from the Röllfeld area, or ZENGELs or HAHNs from the Großwallstadt area? Thank you! Best regards, Janet Zengel Messer Micanopy, Florida USA

The trouble with so many of these sites is that their records start much too late for my ancestors leaving Germany. Mine came in the late 1600's and early 1700's. Dorothy C. White dotwhite@comcast.net 804.795.4296 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bishlark@aol.com [mailto:Bishlark@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 10:16 PM > To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BAVARIA] Re: [G-P-L] OTTO family from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha > > > In a message dated 8/7/2005 8:23:18 PM Central Standard Time, > oakwoodjoe@earthlink.net writes: > > Where do I find this Bremen web site you refer to? I thought > all Bremen > Records were destroyed in WWII. > > Joe > > _http://www.deutsche-auswanderer-datenbank.de/Examples.58.0.html_ > (http://www.deutsche-auswanderer-datenbank.de/Examples.58.0.html) > > > > > > Some Bremen records were destroyed in WWII but most of the > records were > destroyed after a few years because the storage area was too > small so every so > often they would purge the records. Somebody help us please. > That is the > impression / information that I have. > > Bremen is reproducing records using the information that came > to America in > the ship manifests. > > CLBischoff > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > to unsubscribe > >

In a message dated 8/7/2005 8:23:18 PM Central Standard Time, oakwoodjoe@earthlink.net writes: Where do I find this Bremen web site you refer to? I thought all Bremen Records were destroyed in WWII. Joe _http://www.deutsche-auswanderer-datenbank.de/Examples.58.0.html_ (http://www.deutsche-auswanderer-datenbank.de/Examples.58.0.html) Some Bremen records were destroyed in WWII but most of the records were destroyed after a few years because the storage area was too small so every so often they would purge the records. Somebody help us please. That is the impression / information that I have. Bremen is reproducing records using the information that came to America in the ship manifests. CLBischoff

I have just learned that the first wife of my great grandfather Heinreich (Henry) ZENGEL (born c1833) was Catherine HAHN. They were probably married in the Röllfeld-Wörth area of NW Bavaria in around 1860. Catherine must have died before 1886, as Henry married my great grandmother Catherine LÖFFLER around that time. Does anyone know anything about any of these families (ZENGEL - HAHN - LÖFFLER)? Thank you! Best regards, Janet Messer Micanopy Florida USA

To: Bavaria-L@rootsweb.com From: dsarnott@execpc.com (Beth STEINBERG ARNOTT) Subject: Story from JSOnline.com This story was sent from JSOnline.com: http://www.jsonline.com. It was sent by dsarnott@execpc.com (Beth STEINBERG ARNOTT) on 7/29/2005 11:34:59 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------------- While I can't send you photos, you might enjoy this article. Beth http://www.jsonline.com/enter/gen/jul05/344545.asp

Are you going and can you give a report about how it was? Or maybe some pictures? Marvin J. & Raynona L. Bohrer

For anyone living near Milwaukee, WI, German Fest is happening this coming weekend, July 29-31 at the lakefront. There will be oomp-pah-pah music, yodeling, great food, people dressed in authentic German dress, food, dancing, food, and desserts and chocolate. There is a live enactment of a "glockenspiel"(?), which is hilarious, as four men in lederhosen act like wooden figures and sound the bells in time with the music, and then it goes faster and faster. They also do the hand-slapping, leg-slapping thing. Sorry, don't know what it's called. There is also a genealogy area in a tent with helpful people for your questions. Hope you can come! Beth STEINBERG ARNOTT

Hi Donna, you usually get stuck in the 17th century, as this was the time when they started to register births etc. in the churches on a large scale. Also a lot of the population, books, and everything else perished in the 30th years war (1618-1648). (Including: an entire village being reduced to one surviving child, who didn't know anything about its family..) Regards Stefan

Janet, I sent a message to your jzm@atlantic.net and it bounced. Will you please email me direct. I have a question to ask you. Dorothy C. White dotwhite@comcast.net 804.795.4296

I would like to thank everyone who so kindly responded to my inquiry about researching my Bavarian ancestors. So many great suggestions for places to visit and how to research our family lines! I have tried to respond to each person who wrote to me directly, but if I somehow skipped you, THANKS! I belong to a number of rootsweb lists, but this has got to be one of the best! Anyway, I've already had a great stroke of luck! Many of you suggested contacting local people to see what I could learn, so I wrote to a ZENGEL gentlemen living near the area where I thought my family was from (I found his e-mail address on the internet). As it turned out, he is from a different part of Germany, but he gave me the name and address of another ZENGEL that he thought might help me. I heard from him this morning, and he knows of my family line! He told me what villages they lived in (Wörth, Klingenberg, Röllfeld / Röllbach, Grossheubach), and even told me where they originally came from - Styria (Steiermark) in Austria - in the 13th century! (I also learned of other tidbits - like the famous brewery that our family operated in Wörth starting in the late 1700s, and the fact that we were once a family of "tong makers"!) But the best thing is that we now know what villages to visit during our visit to Bavaria and where to focus our research. Best regards, Janet Zengel Messer Micanopy, Florida USA

Has anyone done research in-person at the Diocese of Wurzburg for baptismal, marriage and burial records? I have seen the list of Catholic parishes for which the Diocese has records, but Reyersbach is not on the list. Where would records for Reyersbach Catholics be found? How does one go about making an appointment to research there? Which Unterfranken archive would have emigration records for Unterfranken towns - specifically Schoenau a.d. Brend, Strahlungen and Bischofscheim a.d. Rhoen, and how would one go about making an appointment to research there as well? Thanks for your help. Elaine eoberlin@ssd.com

Donna, My german ancestors with the last name Juengst go back to 1400 and one guy, we even no his father's name. Everyone with that last name or any other similar sounding name is related to that guy. A family member in Europe wrote a genealogy in german which some of the Americans were still in contact with. However, she was a bit lax and although she seemed to be thorough, one of our german relatives went to two of the early towns in the tree and found a bunch of relatives in the record books that she had not listed. He didn't expect that. In the group of people she just had not listed was my relative and connection to the tree. I have recently gotten an email from this list that it is hard to order church films from Bavaria thru LDS since they didn't let the Mormons always copy the records. I would try anyway to see if I could get lucky. If I could have read the old german script from between 1800 and 1850, I would have been able to find the birth of the grandfather and his parents and gone one generation back to get my connection to the tree I needed. Tracy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Osborn" <dosborn@pldi.net> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 8:19 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] Tracing German Ancestors New at this > I would like to know how far anyone has traced there German ancestors and are they hard to trace? Is it easy to trace people in Germany? > And does anyone have any suggestions for some one getting started? I need help. > > Donna > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? > Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records > >

I have ancestors from Bavaria who I haven't traced yet-- I did trace my Brack ancestors at Altenbamberg, Rhineland Pfalz. Here's how I did it-- 1. I purchased a book that helped me read the old German script. 2. I went to the local LDS Library and rented microfilm for the parish at Altenbamberg. I think that was about $3.50 USD. 3. Fortunately the local LDS library had an apparatus on their microfilm reader that I could make copies. On the individual entries the surnames were in larger text, where I could see Brack very clearly. I copied all the Brack entries and took the copies home and translated them. I went back three additional generations in Germany by using the above steps. I tried to go back further in Altenbamberg Church records and I couldn't tell if the old records were in Latin or whether the person that made the entried had bad handwriting. Additionally , in Church records, I found all my Brack ancestors were stone masons which was evidently handed down, generation to generation. My grandfather's cousin had German friends who lived in the Hamburg area and they couldn't read the old script in our family Bible--they took it to someone that could translate it. Also, our early English script is hard to read and translate. I bought an aid that helped me with the old English script. Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Osborn" <dosborn@pldi.net> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 8:19 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] Tracing German Ancestors New at this >I would like to know how far anyone has traced there German ancestors and >are they hard to trace? Is it easy to trace people in Germany? > And does anyone have any suggestions for some one getting started? I need > help. > > Donna

Hi Listers, Thank you for all the reasons why people would move to SD in the late 1800's. I've learned a lot from your responses. Someone mentioned Dodge Co., WI as being a mining area (coal?). It could very well have been. My ancestors basically farmed in Dodge Co., and some began attending college/universities and became doctors and lawyers, teachers, etc. Now these BACHHUBER's are all over the world, it seems! Thanks again for the input, Beth STEINBERG ARNOTT

Suggestions: #1 Start with recent records and times and work backwards. (Do not skip generations or connections). #2 Do NOT take internet sources as gospel. They can be, and often are, wrong. (Use them only as a pointer to POSSIBLE connections or areas to search.)(Also good advice for paid, commercial, databases, CD's and subscription services.) #3 For German research knowing the town or village of your ancestors is a MUST. (These are best found in local (here ) records. These can be the ancestors marriage here, the birth records of their children and their death records.)(After you have this information AND have followed suggestion #5, then you can research over there. #4 Join a local Genealogy society to learn from others. (Presentations at their meetings, seminars they run and their newsletters give great hints and help). #5 Use the local FHL to research as much as possible here, before writing and researching in Germany. #6 A magazine subscription may also help. Good luck Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Osborn" <dosborn@pldi.net> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 8:19 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] Tracing German Ancestors New at this >I would like to know how far anyone has traced there German ancestors and >are they hard to trace? Is it easy to trace people in Germany? > And does anyone have any suggestions for some one getting started? I need > help. > > Donna > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to be > added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? > Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records > >

That Dakota Territory was formed in 1861 - the states were not formed out of it until 1889. In order to obtain a farm of up to 160 acres almost without cost, an applicant was required to reside on the claim for not less than five years and to cultivate the land. To qualify a homesteader had to be age 21 and a citizen or to have taken out his first papers for citizenship. Soldiers and sailors were permitted to deduct the length of their military duty, up to four years, from the residency requirement. At any time after the first six-months of the five-year settlement period the homesteader could commute his claim to a cash sale. Cash, military bounty warrants or agricultural college script could be used. The Act offered 160 acres of land (80 acres within the railroad grant areas) free to any head of family or person over 21 years of age who was a citizen of the United States or who had filed a declaration of intent to become a citizen in exchange for simply residing on the land for five years and improving it. Quarter sections of land were distributed free, provided the property was lived on and worked for five years. There was also an option to purchase the land after six months of residency for $1.25 per acre. Originally, the Homestead Act applied to surveyed land, but in 1880 it was extended to include unsurveyed laSo to see them come back to the midwest was not unusual at all. They've earned their money and can lived in a more civilized area (for the most part) back in the midwest. Margaret