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    1. BREY
    2. peloquin
    3. I posted a message trying to find whether there was a particular area in Bavaria where the name BREY would be more prevalent. I had a response from someone asking whether I had more information and I accidentally wiped out my messages. I would like to thank the person for the response to tell him/her that I don't really know much more. My great grandfather Joseph BREY came over to America, arriving on 23 May 1867 in New York, departing from Bremen along with his wife Barbara and daughter Franzeska (sp?). The name of the ship as Ancestry.com has it is Helmurth Timouis, but I have tried many variations of the name and can't find anything remotely similar. Joseph's parents, who did not come over, were named Georg and Theresa DAIFLA (sp?). Joseph and Barbara were Catholic. They settled in Manitowoc County, Wisconsin where I found them on the 1870 census. Any help at all would be gladly welcomed. Florence

    09/20/2005 07:13:08
    1. Translation mailing list
    2. Don Watson
    3. translation-l-request@rootsweb.com translation-d-request@rootsweb.com

    09/19/2005 07:20:00
    1. RE: [BAVARIA] Dutch and German Assistance
    2. Pamela Splettstoesser
    3. Hello Ed, I probably am not the best person to ask about this as I went about it in a pretty drastic way. I just packed up my things and moved to Germany one day. I did not speak the language, and I did not know anyone here. I had only my Great Grandparents names, dates of birth and the name of the town that they had married in Germany. I went to the town and just started asking questions! I found out that the records which had been kept in the church, had been moved to an office because of renovation.... It took a few days but I found the person who had the key to this office and after explaining my plight to him, he allowed me to look through the books. I had with me a laptop, scanner and digital camera. I found in these old books, the birth, christening and marriage records of my Great Grandparents as well as all their siblings, parents and grandparents! They allowed me to scan each page. This was a major ordeal as the books are very large and old as you can imagine. I spent a week in the town and found relatives of my Great Grandmother who still lived there and though they spoke no English, it was wonderful to share fotos and hilarious to see the pantomimes we went through to get our words understood. We nearly wore out my German/English dictionary in that week! But I have to say, it was a wonderful trip and the feeling you get when you walk the same cobble stone streets as your Great Grandparents and sit in the pews of the church where your relatives for generations have sat, there is just nothing like it! But as I said, this was a drastic way of doing things and not everyone is as spontaneous as I am. But being single and all my children are now grown and married, I had no responsibilities to worry about but myself so Off I went! :-) I loved Europe so much that I decided to stay. I filed my papers for my Germany citizenship and now I am free to live and work anywhere in the EU. My American family thinks I have lost my mind, My new found German family thinks I am smart to leave the US! And I am enjoying life. While this way may not be for everyone, for me it was perfect! Pamela Splettstoesser http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~splettstoesser/ www.palettemasters.com/map -----Original Message----- From: C Edw Wolfe [mailto:deskipper@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 1:27 AM To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [BAVARIA] Dutch and German Assistance Dear Pamela: I too read your various communications with avid interest. I have a number of ancestors who came from Hesse and several from Bavaria. I can't find them in the old country. I have tracked them all in the USA but keep skirting Germany because I don't know where to start. Last year I went to Ireland to find traces of a grgrgrandmother. I found traces of her west of Belfast which I thought was a great exercise. Knowing that you are busy I would at least like to ask your advice concerning tracing my German ancestors. Ed Wolfe<deskipper@sbcglobal.net> Pamela Splettstoesser <pamela@palettemasters.com> wrote: Thank you Dona. It is always nice to know when a information or a link I have posted is of use to someone. I know when I first moved to Europe, I was so happy to be able to read the news in English! So when compiling a list of links to help people here, I thought back to the ones that were the most helpful to me. Again, thanks for the comments Dona! Pamela Splettstoesser My Mothers Side http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nilajean/ My Fathers Side http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~splettstoesser Helpful Links www.palettemasters.com/map -----Original Message----- From: Dona Ostrander [mailto:do3sims@juno.com] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 5:49 AM To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] Dutch and German Assistance Pamela, I am writing to give you my vote too. I just spent 45 minutes reading the German News in English. Very refreshing. You may remember how starved Americans are for world news. Thank you. Dona Ostrander Navarre, Florida ========================================================================= ========================================================================= ======================================================================= On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 17:31:11 +0200 "Pamela Splettstoesser" writes: > Thank you Dorothy. I don't mind helping at all. I know from experience > how hard it is to get information from another country. > Besides, it is always nice to talk to fellow Americans! > > Pamela Splettstoesser > www.palettemasters.com/map > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dorothy C. White [mailto:dotwhite@comcast.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 4:55 PM > To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: FW: [BAVARIA] Dutch and German Assistance > > Pamela, you are a jewel to post all these wonderful web sites. And to > make your generous offer to help. > > Thank you so very much. > > Dorothy C. White > dotwhite@comcast.net > 804.795.4296 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pamela Splettstoesser [mailto:pamela@palettemasters.com] > > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 9:17 PM > > To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [BAVARIA] Dutch and German Assistance > > > > > > I have received quite a few requests for assistance because I am > an > > American living in Europe. So I thought I would explain a bit so > that > > those of you who are not familiar with the layout of the land > could > > see my location. I have created a map page that shows Germany and > the > > Netherlands. On this map I have placed a star where I live and a > blue > > circle to show the area that I am willing to travel. I can do > > research all over Germany and the Netherlands but travelling for > fotos > > or going through records books in area's outside the blue ring > would > > mean over two hours travel one way and this is more than I am > willing > > to do at the moment. > > http://www.palettemasters.com/map/ > > > > However, I have included several very useful links on this page > and > > should anyone need help within my area I would be more than glad > to > > assist. Be sure to check out all the links I have included. I > > included German and Dutch telephone books(Look up live > relatives!), > > German and Dutch news (In > > English) Free German and Dutch language lessons, Dutch TV guide( > so > > you can see what American shows are on) , German and Dutch > Department > > stores(Check out the fashions and prices!), Maps and routes(find > any > > address in Europe), Translation. And last but not least, though I > > > never charge for helping, I have included a donation button via > PayPal > > for anyone who finds my assistance useful! > > > > I hope that you find these links all helpful as well as > interesting. > > If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask. > > > > Pamela Splettstoesser > > www.palettemasters.com > > > > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > > to unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to > be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? > Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to > be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? > Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html to unsubscribe ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html to unsubscribe ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html to unsubscribe

    09/18/2005 08:02:13
    1. RE: [BAVARIA] Dutch and German Assistance
    2. Pamela Splettstoesser
    3. Thank you Dona. It is always nice to know when a information or a link I have posted is of use to someone. I know when I first moved to Europe, I was so happy to be able to read the news in English! So when compiling a list of links to help people here, I thought back to the ones that were the most helpful to me. Again, thanks for the comments Dona! Pamela Splettstoesser My Mothers Side http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nilajean/ My Fathers Side http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~splettstoesser Helpful Links www.palettemasters.com/map -----Original Message----- From: Dona Ostrander [mailto:do3sims@juno.com] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 5:49 AM To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] Dutch and German Assistance Pamela, I am writing to give you my vote too. I just spent 45 minutes reading the German News in English. Very refreshing. You may remember how starved Americans are for world news. Thank you. Dona Ostrander Navarre, Florida ========================================================================= ========================================================================= ======================================================================= On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 17:31:11 +0200 "Pamela Splettstoesser" <pamela@palettemasters.com> writes: > Thank you Dorothy. I don't mind helping at all. I know from > experience how hard it is to get information from another country. > Besides, it is always nice to talk to fellow Americans! > > Pamela Splettstoesser > www.palettemasters.com/map > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dorothy C. White [mailto:dotwhite@comcast.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 4:55 PM > To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: FW: [BAVARIA] Dutch and German Assistance > > Pamela, you are a jewel to post all these wonderful web sites. And to > make your generous offer to help. > > Thank you so very much. > > Dorothy C. White > dotwhite@comcast.net > 804.795.4296 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pamela Splettstoesser [mailto:pamela@palettemasters.com] > > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 9:17 PM > > To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [BAVARIA] Dutch and German Assistance > > > > > > I have received quite a few requests for assistance because I am > an > > American living in Europe. So I thought I would explain a bit so > that > > those of you who are not familiar with the layout of the land > could > > see my location. I have created a map page that shows Germany and > the > > Netherlands. On this map I have placed a star where I live and a > blue > > circle to show the area that I am willing to travel. I can do > > research all over Germany and the Netherlands but travelling for > fotos > > or going through records books in area's outside the blue ring > would > > mean over two hours travel one way and this is more than I am > willing > > to do at the moment. > > http://www.palettemasters.com/map/ > > > > However, I have included several very useful links on this page > and > > should anyone need help within my area I would be more than glad > to > > assist. Be sure to check out all the links I have included. I > > included German and Dutch telephone books(Look up live > relatives!), > > German and Dutch news (In > > English) Free German and Dutch language lessons, Dutch TV guide( > so > > you can see what American shows are on) , German and Dutch > Department > > stores(Check out the fashions and prices!), Maps and routes(find > any > > address in Europe), Translation. And last but not least, though I > > > never charge for helping, I have included a donation button via > PayPal > > for anyone who finds my assistance useful! > > > > I hope that you find these links all helpful as well as > interesting. > > If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask. > > > > Pamela Splettstoesser > > www.palettemasters.com <http://www.palettemasters.com/> > > > > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > > to unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to > be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? > Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to > be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? > Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html to unsubscribe

    09/18/2005 10:34:18
    1. RE: [BAVARIA] Dutch and German Assistance
    2. C Edw Wolfe
    3. Dear Pamela: I too read your various communications with avid interest. I have a number of ancestors who came from Hesse and several from Bavaria. I can't find them in the old country. I have tracked them all in the USA but keep skirting Germany because I don't know where to start. Last year I went to Ireland to find traces of a grgrgrandmother. I found traces of her west of Belfast which I thought was a great exercise. Knowing that you are busy I would at least like to ask your advice concerning tracing my German ancestors. Ed Wolfe<deskipper@sbcglobal.net> Pamela Splettstoesser <pamela@palettemasters.com> wrote: Thank you Dona. It is always nice to know when a information or a link I have posted is of use to someone. I know when I first moved to Europe, I was so happy to be able to read the news in English! So when compiling a list of links to help people here, I thought back to the ones that were the most helpful to me. Again, thanks for the comments Dona! Pamela Splettstoesser My Mothers Side http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nilajean/ My Fathers Side http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~splettstoesser Helpful Links www.palettemasters.com/map -----Original Message----- From: Dona Ostrander [mailto:do3sims@juno.com] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 5:49 AM To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] Dutch and German Assistance Pamela, I am writing to give you my vote too. I just spent 45 minutes reading the German News in English. Very refreshing. You may remember how starved Americans are for world news. Thank you. Dona Ostrander Navarre, Florida ========================================================================= ========================================================================= ======================================================================= On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 17:31:11 +0200 "Pamela Splettstoesser" writes: > Thank you Dorothy. I don't mind helping at all. I know from > experience how hard it is to get information from another country. > Besides, it is always nice to talk to fellow Americans! > > Pamela Splettstoesser > www.palettemasters.com/map > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dorothy C. White [mailto:dotwhite@comcast.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 4:55 PM > To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: FW: [BAVARIA] Dutch and German Assistance > > Pamela, you are a jewel to post all these wonderful web sites. And to > make your generous offer to help. > > Thank you so very much. > > Dorothy C. White > dotwhite@comcast.net > 804.795.4296 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pamela Splettstoesser [mailto:pamela@palettemasters.com] > > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 9:17 PM > > To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [BAVARIA] Dutch and German Assistance > > > > > > I have received quite a few requests for assistance because I am > an > > American living in Europe. So I thought I would explain a bit so > that > > those of you who are not familiar with the layout of the land > could > > see my location. I have created a map page that shows Germany and > the > > Netherlands. On this map I have placed a star where I live and a > blue > > circle to show the area that I am willing to travel. I can do > > research all over Germany and the Netherlands but travelling for > fotos > > or going through records books in area's outside the blue ring > would > > mean over two hours travel one way and this is more than I am > willing > > to do at the moment. > > http://www.palettemasters.com/map/ > > > > However, I have included several very useful links on this page > and > > should anyone need help within my area I would be more than glad > to > > assist. Be sure to check out all the links I have included. I > > included German and Dutch telephone books(Look up live > relatives!), > > German and Dutch news (In > > English) Free German and Dutch language lessons, Dutch TV guide( > so > > you can see what American shows are on) , German and Dutch > Department > > stores(Check out the fashions and prices!), Maps and routes(find > any > > address in Europe), Translation. And last but not least, though I > > > never charge for helping, I have included a donation button via > PayPal > > for anyone who finds my assistance useful! > > > > I hope that you find these links all helpful as well as > interesting. > > If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask. > > > > Pamela Splettstoesser > > www.palettemasters.com > > > > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > > to unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to > be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? > Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to > be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? > Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html to unsubscribe ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html to unsubscribe

    09/18/2005 10:26:49
    1. RE: [BAVARIA] Dutch and German Assistance
    2. Pamela Splettstoesser
    3. Hello Peggy, I am sorry about that. I wish that I had the time and finances to just travel all over Germany and gather the information that everyone needs. It would be great to visit some of these places. But unfortunately I can't. Thank you for understanding. If I make a trip to the South of Germany, I will notify everyone well in advance so that everyone has time to give me their lists! :-) I hope you looked at the links I provided. There are some links to German organizations who can help American's looking for their roots. Best of luck to you! Pamela Splettstoesser www.palettemasters.com/map -----Original Message----- From: Emdunn0226@aol.com [mailto:Emdunn0226@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 7:37 AM To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] Dutch and German Assistance Hi Pamela, I sent you a request earlier and can see that you are nowhere in my needed area, so please disregard my request. It's so great that you are willing to help others like this! Peggy in Utah In a message dated 9/16/2005 6:18:08 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, pamela@palettemasters.com writes: I have received quite a few requests for assistance because I am an American living in Europe. So I thought I would explain a bit so that those of you who are not familiar with the layout of the land could see my location. I have created a map page that shows Germany and the Netherlands. On this map I have placed a star where I live and a blue circle to show the area that I am willing to travel. I can do research all over Germany and the Netherlands but travelling for fotos or going through records books in area's outside the blue ring would mean over two hours travel one way and this is more than I am willing to do at the moment. http://www.palettemasters.com/map/ However, I have included several very useful links on this page and should anyone need help within my area I would be more than glad to assist. Be sure to check out all the links I have included. I included German and Dutch telephone books(Look up live relatives!), German and Dutch news (In English) Free German and Dutch language lessons, Dutch TV guide( so you can see what American shows are on) , German and Dutch Department stores(Check out the fashions and prices!), Maps and routes(find any address in Europe), Translation. And last but not least, though I never charge for helping, I have included a donation button via PayPal for anyone who finds my assistance useful! I hope that you find these links all helpful as well as interesting. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask. Pamela Splettstoesser www.palettemasters.com <http://www.palettemasters.com/> ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html to unsubscribe ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html to unsubscribe

    09/18/2005 10:15:25
    1. Leonhard Lederer
    2. Reinhard Hofer
    3. Hello Patsy, I have in my online index one emigrant named Lederer who is of interest for you: Leonhard Lederer emigrated in 1844. For more informations please contact me privately. Yours sincerely, Reinhard Hofer Hans-Resch-Str. 6 94099 Ruhstorf Germany Online list of emigrants from Bavaria with ca. 7000 names. See my list at: www.emigration-research.de.vu Research on site in archives in Passau, Würzburg and Regensburg

    09/18/2005 09:32:00
    1. lederer
    2. Patsy Cleal
    3. Hello Every one could I ask for some help on my LEDERER family. Johann Leonard LEDERER was in londo on 1851 census states he was born Bavaria Germany. I have been searching for 10 years with no luck. In 1861 census he had been joined by his sister Anna who also gave her birthplace as Bavaria Germany. I would be very grateful for any help Patsy

    09/18/2005 07:29:24
    1. German help in tracing your roots
    2. Pamela Splettstoesser
    3. I thought I would send a copy of this article out to everyone as I have seen quite a few of you that could benefit from some of the information in it. The first part of the article, most of you already know and have done. But the latter part of the article will give you information on who to contact and how to get assistance in Germany. The article came from this website: http://www.howtogermany.com/ Where you will find almost anything you ever wanted to know about Germany. Pamela Splettstoesser Searching for Your German Ancestors Americans with some German blood in them — and that's a lot of Americans — can get German help in tracing their roots. Genealogical research once was mainly the province of snobbish bluebloods seeking to connect their families to the nobility or the Mayflower. Now, spurred in no small way by the cyber age, it has become a hobby for more ordinary people. Americans of German descent now residing in the homeland of their ancestors have an unparalleled opportunity to trace their roots to a certain town and perhaps to meet with some distant relatives with the same name. Research into your German ancestors will have to start in the States. The important link is the ancestor who emigrated. You must, as a starter, have this person's name. If you don't know it you probably will have to get it from resources within your own family. Contact relatives, including distant ones, starting with the older of them. It's sometimes surprising what will be discovered if you do a little digging. Perhaps a great aunt can fish an old family Bible out of an attic trunk. These were often used in the last century to record birth, deaths, marriages and the like. Or perhaps she will have a yellowing certificate of a birth, christening, marriage or death, or a school, medical or military record. You will hopefully learn in this way at least the name of the ancestor and where he or she lived in the states. Other useful information includes where and when the ancestor was born in Germany, when he or she emigrated and on what ship. But if the great aunt doesn't have this information there are many other places to look. Courthouse records of the community where the ancestor lived can be useful. These include records of court proceedings, deeds, wills, probates, birth records and death records. Church records in the community, primarily of baptisms and marriages, also can be helpful. Gravestones, too, can contain a few useful facts, and newspapers are often good sources of marriage notices, obituaries and birth announcements. To use them, though, you need to have a pretty good idea of when the event occurred. Present day ancestor seekers have a valuable tool that would have been the envy of earlier generations: the Internet. Genealogy ranks right up with sports and finances (and sex!) in the vast number of websites given over to it. The two generally considered to be the most complete are RootsWeb www.familysearch.org <http://www.familysearch.org/> and the Mormon Church's Family Search www.familysearch.org <http://www.familysearch.org/> . Both are set up for searches. You can enter the known facts about your ancestor and, with luck, come up with additional details. They even factor in the possibility of spelling variations. Genealogical websites also have chat rooms, in which family history buffs exchange experiences. The National Archives and its 13 regional branches are a treasure trove for the genealogist. It is becoming increasingly possible to go to one of the centers and access a file electronically even if it is located elsewhere. The archive also will supply a copy of a document by mail, for a fee. For a full report on its services check its website at www.nara.gov <http://www.nara.gov/> . Probably the richest sources maintained by the National Archives are the records of the censuses, which the United States has conducted every ten years, without missing a single one, since 1790. The early ones were sketchy, but since about 1850 they have been rich in such details as your ancestor's date and place of birth, occupation, address and names and ages of spouse and children. And you are permitted to access this information for your ancestors, as long as they lived long ago. Census records are confidential for 72 years, but after that anyone with an interest can look at them. That means that the censuses of 1790 to 1920 are now available, with the 1930 one to be released in 2002. An exception is the census of 1890, which was largely destroyed in a fire. The National Archives also has a wealth of other useful documents, including naturalization records, ships' passenger lists and military records. States and cities also maintain archives, and these like the National Archives and the local courthouses, usually allow visitors to look at their documents. They may also provide copies by mail, for a fee, to anyone who can be specific about the information sought. Let us say you now have the vital data on your ancestor. It's time to seek out your German roots and meet with your distant relatives. Your first problem may be to locate the town in modern Germany. If the person emigrated before unification in 1871, as most of them did, the location of the town probably won't be given as "Germany," but as the state or principality that was later made part of Germany. There were many of these between the final demise of the Holy Roman Empire in 1806 and the establishment of the German Reich by Bismarck in 1871. This crazy quilt of squabbling petty states, indeed, was largely responsible for the emigration during that period. Economic opportunities were few. Prussia (Preussen) and Saxony (Sachsen) present special problems. The name of Prussia has disappeared from the map. The conquering allies after World War II didn't like the images it conjured up of blood, iron and militarism. There is a state named Saxony, but the name Sachsen appears in two other states, Niedersachsen and Sachsen-Anhalt. (See the box for some help in locating these provinces.) There are many possible sources of information within Germany. It, too, took censuses, but, because the country was so split up, the records aren't neatly located in one institution, as in the US. Present German law permits the release of census information on a person 30 years after his or her death or, if the date of death is not known, 110 years after birth. Other sources include church registers (primarily for births, baptisms, marriages and deaths), civil registration (dates and places of birth, marriage, death, relationships and occupations), school records, military records, emigration records, ship passenger lists and city directories. Some German civil records date back to Napoleonic times, but others only go back to around the 1870s, which might be too late for many people. Church records, however, go back as far as the 15th century. Cemeteries in Germany aren't as useful as they are in the states. Burial lots here are leased for a specific number of years, and if the lease isn't renewed somebody else can be, and usually is, buried there. If you simply look in the records for your family name the way it is now spelled you may have problems. Germans in the old days weren't so consistent in the spelling of names. There were dialects and the literacy level was not then so high. Even today you'll find people named Muller, Mueller, Möller and Moeller in addition to Müller, and then, after arrival in America, the name was often changed again, perhaps to Miller, to accommodate English speakers. So remember to check for variant spellings. The Deutsche Arbeitsgemeinschaft genealogischer Verbände e.V. (DAGV) (Schlossstrasse 12, D-50321 Brühl) is an umbrella organization for most of the German genealogical agencies. It does no research on its own, but can steer you to the regional association of interest to you. The regional associations in turn can probably tell you where the records from your ancestor's home community are kept. Sometimes they are still in the community, but they often will have been moved to a central archive, perhaps operated by the state. You'll find an extensive list of genealogical organizations on the DAGV's website: www.genealogienetz.de <http://www.genealogienetz.de/> . Many of the listings are in the form of links to the regional organizations. This website also has a wealth of other information, in English, including tips on reading the baffling German handwriting used in earlier times. A particularly useful address for Americans is the Genealogical Association of English-speaking Researchers in Europe. It meets monthly at the Sullivan Barracks Library, Benjamin Franklin Village, Mannheim, on the fourth Thursday of the month, January to October, and on the first Thursday of December. Contact: Lu Whitworth, President, Röntgenstrasse 4, 68789 St. Leon-Rot. Tel: 06227-51942. Here are the states of modern Germany and the historical kingdoms, duchies and the like that they contain. (The city-states of Berlin, Hamburg and Bremen contain no such territories.) Some areas aren't part of modern Germany. Most of East Prussia (Ostpreussen) and Silesia (Schlesien) and part of Pomerania (Pommern) are now in Poland. Similarly Alsace (Elsass) and Lorraine (Lothringen) are in France, and in each case you must take your research to those countries. Baden-Württemberg Grand Duchy of Baden, Principality of Hohenzollern, Kingdom of Württemberg. Bavaria Kingdom of Bavaria (excluding Rheinpfalz), Duchy of Sachsen-Coburg. Brandenburg Western portion of the Prussian Province of Brandenburg. Hesse Free City of Frankfurt am Main, Grand Duchy of Hessen-Darmstadt (less the province of Rheinhessen), part of Landgraviate Hessen-Homburg, Electorate of Hessen-Kassel, Duchy of Nassau, District of Wetzlar (part of the former Prussian Rheinprovinz), Principality of Waldeck. Lower Saxony Duchy of Braunschweig, Kingdom/Prussian, Province of Hannover, Grand Duchy of Oldenburg, Principality of Schaumburg-Lippe. Mecklenburg-Vorpommern Grand Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Grand Duchy of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (less the principality of Ratzeburg), western portion of the Prussian province of Pomerania. North Rhine-Westphalia Prussian province of Westfalen, northern portion of Prussian Rheinprovinz, Principality of Lippe-Detmold. Rheinland-Pfalz Part of the Principality of Birkenfeld, Province of Rheinhessen, part of the Landgraviate of Hessen-Homburg, most of the Bavarian Rheinpfalz, part of the Prussian Rheinprovinz. Saarland Part of the Bavarian Rheinpfalz, part of the Prussian Rheinprovinz, part of the principality of Birkenfeld. Sachsen-Anhalt Former Duchy of Anhalt, Prussian province of Sachsen. Saxony Kingdom of Sachsen, part of the Prussian province of Silesia. Schleswig-Holstein Former Prussian province of Schleswig-Holstein, Free City of Lübeck, Principality of Ratzeburg. Thuringia Duchies and Principalities of Thüringen, part of Prussian province of Sachsen.

    09/17/2005 11:45:36
    1. Re: [BAVARIA] Dutch and German Assistance
    2. Hi Pamela, I sent you a request earlier and can see that you are nowhere in my needed area, so please disregard my request. It's so great that you are willing to help others like this! Peggy in Utah In a message dated 9/16/2005 6:18:08 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, pamela@palettemasters.com writes: I have received quite a few requests for assistance because I am an American living in Europe. So I thought I would explain a bit so that those of you who are not familiar with the layout of the land could see my location. I have created a map page that shows Germany and the Netherlands. On this map I have placed a star where I live and a blue circle to show the area that I am willing to travel. I can do research all over Germany and the Netherlands but travelling for fotos or going through records books in area's outside the blue ring would mean over two hours travel one way and this is more than I am willing to do at the moment. http://www.palettemasters.com/map/ However, I have included several very useful links on this page and should anyone need help within my area I would be more than glad to assist. Be sure to check out all the links I have included. I included German and Dutch telephone books(Look up live relatives!), German and Dutch news (In English) Free German and Dutch language lessons, Dutch TV guide( so you can see what American shows are on) , German and Dutch Department stores(Check out the fashions and prices!), Maps and routes(find any address in Europe), Translation. And last but not least, though I never charge for helping, I have included a donation button via PayPal for anyone who finds my assistance useful! I hope that you find these links all helpful as well as interesting. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask. Pamela Splettstoesser www.palettemasters.com <http://www.palettemasters.com/> ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html to unsubscribe

    09/17/2005 07:36:41
    1. Re: [BAVARIA] Willing Assistance
    2. Dear Pamela, How close do you live to Schillingsfurst? I would really love to find some help in that area because I have hit that proverbial "brick wall". Thanks in advance for any assistance or ideas. Peggy in Utah In a message dated 9/16/2005 2:48:31 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, pamela@palettemasters.com writes: Hello Jim, I am sorry but the towns you are requesting assistance with are about 400 miles from where I live. However if you want to send me the information and exactly what you are looking for I will see what I can do for you from here. Unfortunately it will be sometime next year before I will be in the south of Germany again which is where these towns you are asking about are. But in the meantime I can look up addresses, phone numbers and names for you if that would help. Regards, Pamela Pamela Splettstoesser www.palettemasters.com -----Original Message----- From: Jim Throneburg [mailto:timekeeper@classicnet.net] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 11:23 PM To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] Willing Assistance Do you live close to Fürth or Nürnberg? I had relatives there that I am trying to get info on, I would be happy to reimburse you for any help you may be. I would love to get to live in Germany a while! Let me know the details and I will get you the Names.... Hopeful, Jim Throneburg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela Splettstoesser" <pamela@palettemasters.com> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 1:23 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] Willing Assistance > Just a note to reiterate what Narda and Beth have said.... I often > have offered to help people from America who have no way of getting > photos of gravesites or accessing records book which have to be > manually checked here in Europe. So don't be afraid to ask! Sometimes > just a friendly request will get you a long way. Of course it is > always nice when people offer to pay for gas or postage also but for > the most part, I do what I can when asked. > > As an American that moved to Europe, I can tell you that it is not > easy and there are so many things you miss the first time around. I > came here specifically to find the information of my ancestors. (that > was over 4 years > ago!) The first time I visited the village where my Great > Grandparents were born and married, I thought I had hit a gold mine!! > I got copies of their birth, marriage and baptism records as well as > all the records for their > parents and siblings! But when I returned just for a vacation a year > later > I realized how much I missed just by not talking to the local town people! > There were stories, old friends and relatives to talk to and even fotos!! > So > even when you think you have it all, look again, and TALK to people! > Oh and don't worry about bad language skills... most people in Europe > speak at least a bit of English and if you at least put forth an > effort to communicate in their language, they will reciprocate and use > what English they know for you. > > Phone books are a great resource but in Europe they are not always > reliable. > But the local Rathuis is! Everyone in Europe is required to sign in > at a local registry when they move into an area and then carry a slip > of paper that shows to what zone they belong to. For instance, when > living in Berlin if you move from Postdam to Charlottenburg you have > to sign out at the Potsdam Rathuis and sign in at Charlottenburg. > > Best of Luck to everyone! > Pamela Splettstoesser > <http://www.palettemasters.com/> > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to > be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? > Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html to unsubscribe ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html to unsubscribe

    09/17/2005 07:11:23
    1. Re: [BAVARIA] Re. a REISS Lineage in Mittelfranken, Bavaria, (CC: All Addee's), 9-17-05, SAVE
    2. John, Do you know anything more about George Adam Reiss? I have been looking for AGES for a link to my GGGrandfather, Johann Ries. According to the USA census, he was born in Bavaria about 1830. He immigrated to Maryland in 1854. George and Adam are both common names with his descendents. Do you have any more info on this family? Thanks Pat in Colorado -------------- Original message -------------- > > ANDREAS Mö(h)RING. He married ANNA KöHLER. > > 1 - Maria Margaretha Mö(h)ring, born December 03, 1778 in Rudolzhofen, Mfr., > Bavaria. > She married Georg Adam Reiss, 1805. > > NOTES for Maria Margaretha Mö(h)ring: > ... > MARIA MARGARETHA MöHRING, born Dec. 03, 1778 Rudolzhofen, Mfr., Bavaria. She > married 1805 in Evang. Lutheran Church, GEORG ADAM REISS, a Master Smith of > Hernneuses, Mfr., Bavaria, a son of Joh. Georg Reiss, a Master Smith of > Gutenstetten > über Neustadt a.d. Aisch, Mfr., Bavaria. Evang. Lutherans.. > ... > No children known..? > ========================= > > John A. Mehring jamehring@adelphia.net > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > to unsubscribe >

    09/17/2005 06:39:08
    1. Re: [BAVARIA] Dutch and German Assistance
    2. Dona Ostrander
    3. Pamela, I am writing to give you my vote too. I just spent 45 minutes reading the German News in English. Very refreshing. You may remember how starved Americans are for world news. Thank you. Dona Ostrander Navarre, Florida ========================================================================= ========================================================================= ======================================================================= On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 17:31:11 +0200 "Pamela Splettstoesser" <pamela@palettemasters.com> writes: > Thank you Dorothy. I don't mind helping at all. I know from > experience how > hard it is to get information from another country. Besides, it is > always > nice to talk to fellow Americans! > > Pamela Splettstoesser > www.palettemasters.com/map > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dorothy C. White [mailto:dotwhite@comcast.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 4:55 PM > To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: FW: [BAVARIA] Dutch and German Assistance > > Pamela, you are a jewel to post all these wonderful web sites. And > to make > your generous offer to help. > > Thank you so very much. > > Dorothy C. White > dotwhite@comcast.net > 804.795.4296 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pamela Splettstoesser [mailto:pamela@palettemasters.com] > > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 9:17 PM > > To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [BAVARIA] Dutch and German Assistance > > > > > > I have received quite a few requests for assistance because I am > an > > American living in Europe. So I thought I would explain a bit so > that > > those of you who are not familiar with the layout of the land > could > > see my location. I have created a map page that shows Germany and > the > > Netherlands. On this map I have placed a star where I live and a > blue > > circle to show the area that I am willing to travel. I can do > > research all over Germany and the Netherlands but travelling for > fotos > > or going through records books in area's outside the blue ring > would > > mean over two hours travel one way and this is more than I am > willing > > to do at the moment. > > http://www.palettemasters.com/map/ > > > > However, I have included several very useful links on this page > and > > should anyone need help within my area I would be more than glad > to > > assist. Be sure to check out all the links I have included. I > > included German and Dutch telephone books(Look up live > relatives!), > > German and Dutch news (In > > English) Free German and Dutch language lessons, Dutch TV guide( > so > > you can see what American shows are on) , German and Dutch > Department > > stores(Check out the fashions and prices!), Maps and routes(find > any > > address in Europe), Translation. And last but not least, though I > > > never charge for helping, I have included a donation button via > PayPal > > for anyone who finds my assistance useful! > > > > I hope that you find these links all helpful as well as > interesting. > > If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask. > > > > Pamela Splettstoesser > > www.palettemasters.com <http://www.palettemasters.com/> > > > > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > > to unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to > be > added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? > Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to > be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? > Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records > >

    09/17/2005 04:49:04
    1. RE: [BAVARIA] Dutch and German Assistance
    2. Pamela Splettstoesser
    3. Thank you Dorothy. I don't mind helping at all. I know from experience how hard it is to get information from another country. Besides, it is always nice to talk to fellow Americans! Pamela Splettstoesser www.palettemasters.com/map -----Original Message----- From: Dorothy C. White [mailto:dotwhite@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 4:55 PM To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: FW: [BAVARIA] Dutch and German Assistance Pamela, you are a jewel to post all these wonderful web sites. And to make your generous offer to help. Thank you so very much. Dorothy C. White dotwhite@comcast.net 804.795.4296 > -----Original Message----- > From: Pamela Splettstoesser [mailto:pamela@palettemasters.com] > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 9:17 PM > To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BAVARIA] Dutch and German Assistance > > > I have received quite a few requests for assistance because I am an > American living in Europe. So I thought I would explain a bit so that > those of you who are not familiar with the layout of the land could > see my location. I have created a map page that shows Germany and the > Netherlands. On this map I have placed a star where I live and a blue > circle to show the area that I am willing to travel. I can do > research all over Germany and the Netherlands but travelling for fotos > or going through records books in area's outside the blue ring would > mean over two hours travel one way and this is more than I am willing > to do at the moment. > http://www.palettemasters.com/map/ > > However, I have included several very useful links on this page and > should anyone need help within my area I would be more than glad to > assist. Be sure to check out all the links I have included. I > included German and Dutch telephone books(Look up live relatives!), > German and Dutch news (In > English) Free German and Dutch language lessons, Dutch TV guide( so > you can see what American shows are on) , German and Dutch Department > stores(Check out the fashions and prices!), Maps and routes(find any > address in Europe), Translation. And last but not least, though I > never charge for helping, I have included a donation button via PayPal > for anyone who finds my assistance useful! > > I hope that you find these links all helpful as well as interesting. > If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask. > > Pamela Splettstoesser > www.palettemasters.com <http://www.palettemasters.com/> > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > to unsubscribe > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records

    09/17/2005 11:31:11
    1. Re. a REISS Lineage in Mittelfranken, Bavaria, (CC: All Addee's), 9-17-05, SAVE
    2. John A. Mehring
    3. ANDREAS Mö(h)RING. He married ANNA KöHLER. 1 - Maria Margaretha Mö(h)ring, born December 03, 1778 in Rudolzhofen, Mfr., Bavaria. She married Georg Adam Reiss, 1805. NOTES for Maria Margaretha Mö(h)ring: ... MARIA MARGARETHA MöHRING, born Dec. 03, 1778 Rudolzhofen, Mfr., Bavaria. She married 1805 in Evang. Lutheran Church, GEORG ADAM REISS, a Master Smith of Hernneuses, Mfr., Bavaria, a son of Joh. Georg Reiss, a Master Smith of Gutenstetten über Neustadt a.d. Aisch, Mfr., Bavaria. Evang. Lutherans.. ... No children known..? ========================= John A. Mehring jamehring@adelphia.net

    09/17/2005 09:51:57
    1. FW: [BAVARIA] Dutch and German Assistance
    2. Dorothy C. White
    3. Pamela, you are a jewel to post all these wonderful web sites. And to make your generous offer to help. Thank you so very much. Dorothy C. White dotwhite@comcast.net 804.795.4296 > -----Original Message----- > From: Pamela Splettstoesser [mailto:pamela@palettemasters.com] > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 9:17 PM > To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BAVARIA] Dutch and German Assistance > > > I have received quite a few requests for assistance because I > am an American living in Europe. So I thought I would explain > a bit so that those of you who are not familiar with the > layout of the land could see my location. I have created a > map page that shows Germany and the Netherlands. On this map > I have placed a star where I live and a blue circle to show > the area that I am willing to travel. I can do research all > over Germany and the Netherlands but travelling for fotos or > going through records books in area's outside the blue ring > would mean over two hours travel one way and this is more > than I am willing to do at the moment. > http://www.palettemasters.com/map/ > > However, I have included several very useful links on this > page and should anyone need help within my area I would be > more than glad to assist. Be sure to check out all the links > I have included. I included German and Dutch telephone > books(Look up live relatives!), German and Dutch news (In > English) Free German and Dutch language lessons, Dutch TV > guide( so you can see what American shows are on) , German > and Dutch Department stores(Check out the fashions and > prices!), Maps and routes(find any address in Europe), > Translation. And last but not least, though I never charge > for helping, I have included a donation button via PayPal for > anyone who finds my assistance useful! > > I hope that you find these links all helpful as well as > interesting. If you have any questions please don't hesitate > to ask. > > Pamela Splettstoesser > www.palettemasters.com <http://www.palettemasters.com/> > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > to unsubscribe > >

    09/17/2005 04:55:17
    1. Re: [BAVARIA] Bavaria or Bayern borders in 1700-1750 possibly Reicholzheim
    2. Stefan Keller
    3. Hi, Reicholzheim is close to Wertheim and just outside Bavaria's borders today. The border between Baden and Bavaria there (the Main river) was defined by Napoleon in 1806. In 1700-1750 nothing there was Bavarian, including Würzburg. Würzburg and the whole of Franconia fell to Bavaria in the 19th century. (And even today many people there don't feel Bavarian, there are significant differences in local culture and dialect!) - Back in 1700-1750 you had the prince bishops of Würzburg and Mainz (facing off) and local gentry in that region. According to this map http://www.hoeckmann.de/deutschland/bwnord.htm it seems likely that Reicholzheim belonged to the prince bishops of Würzburg. Actually http://www.hoeckmann.de/deutschland/index.htm gives you a good idea of what Germany looked like in 1789 before the reordering in the 19th century. Regards Stefan

    09/17/2005 02:21:35
    1. RE: [BAVARIA] Bavaria or Bayern borders in 1700-1750 possibly Reicholzheim
    2. Pamela Splettstoesser
    3. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~maps/bavaria_1794_crunch.jpg http://www.reichelsheim.de/index.htm Pamela Splettstoesser www.palettemasters.com -----Original Message----- From: kurt m [mailto:kurtsgenmail@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 3:41 AM To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BAVARIA] Bavaria or Bayern borders in 1700-1750 possibly Reicholzheim Hello List, Could someone tell me or show me a map of Bavaria's border or Bayern in about 1700-1750? Also did it change from the year about 1600? I am trying to confirm a village which may has been misspelled or transcribed incorrectly due to old hard to read documentation / records. Does Reichelshausen, Reichelsheim or possibly Reicholzheim (Mosbach) fit in the area of Bavaria or Bayern? Thank You Kurt in Michigan according to Mr Stader book: AMENT (also found spelled with these variations: Amend, Amendt) Johann, born around 1731, from "Reichelshausen or possibly Reicholzheim "in the diocese or bishophric of Wu(e)rzburg, Germany Johann arrived 1765 in Filipowa, Batschka County, Hungary; died 20 March1798 in Filipowa; married 11 April 1763 in town of Waibstadt (southwest of Mosbach in the state of Bayern, Germany) Anna Margararethe Franziska METZLER (daughter of Georg Metzler and Eva Ernst) who was born 31 August1740 in Waibstadt and died 21 April 1811 in Filipowa; Surviving children, born in Filipowa, were: 1.) Katharina born 14 Feb.1767, 2.) Anna Maria born 1 Nov.1769, 3.) Johann born 10 Nov.1775, 4.) Elisabeth born 19 March 1777, 5.) Josef born 19 March 1779, 6.) Maria Klara born 30 March 1781; Johann Ament registered with the Austrian-Hungarian government in Vienna on July 1765, designating his destination as Filipowa. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records

    09/16/2005 10:05:41
    1. Dutch and German Assistance
    2. Pamela Splettstoesser
    3. I have received quite a few requests for assistance because I am an American living in Europe. So I thought I would explain a bit so that those of you who are not familiar with the layout of the land could see my location. I have created a map page that shows Germany and the Netherlands. On this map I have placed a star where I live and a blue circle to show the area that I am willing to travel. I can do research all over Germany and the Netherlands but travelling for fotos or going through records books in area's outside the blue ring would mean over two hours travel one way and this is more than I am willing to do at the moment. http://www.palettemasters.com/map/ However, I have included several very useful links on this page and should anyone need help within my area I would be more than glad to assist. Be sure to check out all the links I have included. I included German and Dutch telephone books(Look up live relatives!), German and Dutch news (In English) Free German and Dutch language lessons, Dutch TV guide( so you can see what American shows are on) , German and Dutch Department stores(Check out the fashions and prices!), Maps and routes(find any address in Europe), Translation. And last but not least, though I never charge for helping, I have included a donation button via PayPal for anyone who finds my assistance useful! I hope that you find these links all helpful as well as interesting. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask. Pamela Splettstoesser www.palettemasters.com <http://www.palettemasters.com/>

    09/16/2005 09:17:21
    1. RE: [BAVARIA] Willing Assistance
    2. Pamela Splettstoesser
    3. Hello Richard, I would be glad to help you. Please email me the names and I will find the address and phone numbers for you. If you have birthdates and full names that would be helpful. Pamela Splettstoesser splettstoesser@gmail.com Pamela Splettstoesser www.palettemasters.com -----Original Message----- From: Richard W Jones [mailto:richmack3@juno.com] Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 12:25 AM To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] Willing Assistance I am trying to form a genealogy for my children's German ancestry. I too have German ancestry, but for the moment, need to work on their line until I can make more time. I believe an address for them can be found in Aschaffenburg (near Frankfurt), and/or Schomberg (in Schwarzwald, near Wildbad). I would be happy to reimburse you for any local address there that you might find which would allow me to write them directly. Thanks sincerely, Richard Winston-Salem, NC, USA > > Just a note to reiterate what Narda and Beth have said.... I often > > > have offered to help people from America who have no way of > getting > > photos of gravesites or accessing records book which have to be > > manually checked here in Europe. So don't be afraid to ask! > Sometimes > > just a friendly request will get you a long way. Of course it is > > always nice when people offer to pay for gas or postage also but > for > > the most part, I do what I can when asked. > > > > As an American that moved to Europe, I can tell you that it is not > > > easy and there are so many things you miss the first time around. > I > > came here specifically to find the information of my ancestors. > (that > > was over 4 years > > ago!) The first time I visited the village where my Great > > Grandparents were born and married, I thought I had hit a gold > mine!! > > I got copies of their birth, marriage and baptism records as well > as > > all the records for their > > parents and siblings! But when I returned just for a vacation a > year > > later > > I realized how much I missed just by not talking to the local town > people! > > There were stories, old friends and relatives to talk to and even > fotos!! > > So > > even when you think you have it all, look again, and TALK to > people! > > Oh and don't worry about bad language skills... most people in > Europe > > speak at least a bit of English and if you at least put forth an > > effort to communicate in their language, they will reciprocate and > use > > what English they know for you. > > > > Phone books are a great resource but in Europe they are not always > > > reliable. > > But the local Rathuis is! Everyone in Europe is required to sign > in > > at a local registry when they move into an area and then carry a > slip > > of paper that shows to what zone they belong to. For instance, > when > > living in Berlin if you move from Postdam to Charlottenburg you > have > > to sign out at the Potsdam Rathuis and sign in at Charlottenburg. > > > > Best of Luck to everyone! > > Pamela Splettstoesser > > <http://www.palettemasters.com/> > > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > > Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records > to > > be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? > > Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records > > > > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > to unsubscribe > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > to unsubscribe > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html to unsubscribe

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