Thanks George for the link to the archives. I have gone there just now and confirmed that both Aschaffenburg and Reistenhausen are on their list for churches with records filmed. Now for my next step.... Noreen -----Original Message----- From: George Meister <george.meister@gmx.de> To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:36:22 +0200 Subject: [BAVARIA] RE: Aschaffenburg Noreen, Aschaffenburg is in the Wuerzburg Diocese. Their Archive has filmed the Parish Registers. http://www.bistum-wuerzburg.de/bwo/dcms/sites/bistum/information/sgv/dioezesanar chiv/familienforschung.html (Make sure you copy the whole URL) Happy Hunting George |-----Original Message----- |From: lp247a@aol.com [mailto:lp247a@aol.com] |Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:00 PM |To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com |Subject: Aschaffenburg | | | Thank you Richard for the tips on Aschaffenburg. A name in my |collateral lines from Aschaffenburg is ORT. Catherine THEODORE |married Jacob Ort from Aschaffenburg. I believe my Theodores, |Hartmanns, and Orts were all interconnected as many families from the |mid-1850s were. | |Would you by chance know the diocese that Aschaffenburg belongs to? | |Thanks again, |Noreen | |-----Original Message----- |From: Richard W Jones <richmack3@juno.com> |To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com |Sent: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:56:50 -0400 |Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] HARTMANN/ReistenhausenAschaffenburg | | |Noreen, | |Nice town. I was there in the 60s and again in the 70s. My wife is from |Aschaffenburg. |---------------- | |Informative web sites to Aschaffenburg | |1. Aschaffenburg: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aschaffenburg | |2. Map, Weather, and Airports | http://www.fallingrain.com/world/GM/2/Aschaffenburg.html | |3. Aschaffenburg Online (Events and other info): |http://www.Aschaffenburg.de/ | |Richard :-) |Winston-Salem, NC |------------------- | |On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:28:16 -0400 lp247a@aol.com writes: |> Hello list.. |> |> Made a breakthrough discovery today of the ancestral town(s?) of my |> HARTMANN ancestors. In a marriage record for sisters Genevieve and |> Magdenlena HARTMANN, Reistenhausen, Bavaria is listed as place of |> birth. In different records for Genevieve, this is followed by |> Aschaffenburg, prope(?). Their parents are listed as KILIANI |> HARTMANN and MARIA OTTING or MARIA ANNA ORT (presumably the same |> mother?). |> I have found Reistenhausen with a name change in after the 1920s to |> Collenburg. On a different historical map, it looks as if |> Aschaffenburg is a whole region of Bavaria, and I'm now not sure if |> Aschaffenburg is a single town. Does anyone on list have any |> knowledge of these places who could help clarify the connections, |> and thus where I should look for records? |> Thanks in advance.... |> Noreen Alexander Manzella |> |> |> ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== |> Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to |> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html |> to unsubscribe |> |> |> | | |==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== | |Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to |be added to |WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? |Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records | |______________________________ ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html to unsubscribe

Thank you Steve for the tip...I noticed on the map I found that Aschaffenburg was spread out indicating a region, not a city and so this confused me a bit. I could not tell if Reistenhausen (or now named Collenburg) was in this Aschaffenburg region, but from the link George sent me for the Wurzburg diocese, it must be close, because both Aschaffenburg and Reistenhausen are listed as having church records which are available. Reistenhausen is my main objective for my Hartmann ancestors. Thanks again.. Noreen -----Original Message----- From: Steve Frank <SFRANK@woh.rr.com> To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:47:51 -0400 Subject: RE: [BAVARIA] RE: Aschaffenburg I wanted to share with the group my experience with an ancestor who was said to be from Aschaffenburg in the Census Records here in the United States. Based on a census record, I assumed the ancestor was from the city of Aschaffenburg. For years, I had tried to search every available source for the city of Ashaffenburg and did not find them. Eventually, I came to the conclusion that the census record was indicating the region of Aschaffenburg. I turned my attention to a search of villages around the city of Aschaffenburg, and eventually found them in KLEINKAHL and SONDERKAHL. Based on my experience, I would encourage searchers to research further if you find a record indicating Aschaffenburg. You may be pleasantly surprised when you are able to find even more specific information about your ancestors in a nearby village. Steve Frank SFrank@woh.rr.com Tiffin, Ohio ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records

Noreen, Aschaffenburg is in the Wuerzburg Diocese. Their Archive has filmed the Parish Registers. http://www.bistum-wuerzburg.de/bwo/dcms/sites/bistum/information/sgv/dioezesanar chiv/familienforschung.html (Make sure you copy the whole URL) Happy Hunting George |-----Original Message----- |From: lp247a@aol.com [mailto:lp247a@aol.com] |Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:00 PM |To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com |Subject: Aschaffenburg | | | Thank you Richard for the tips on Aschaffenburg. A name in my |collateral lines from Aschaffenburg is ORT. Catherine THEODORE |married Jacob Ort from Aschaffenburg. I believe my Theodores, |Hartmanns, and Orts were all interconnected as many families from the |mid-1850s were. | |Would you by chance know the diocese that Aschaffenburg belongs to? | |Thanks again, |Noreen | |-----Original Message----- |From: Richard W Jones <richmack3@juno.com> |To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com |Sent: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:56:50 -0400 |Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] HARTMANN/ReistenhausenAschaffenburg | | |Noreen, | |Nice town. I was there in the 60s and again in the 70s. My wife is from |Aschaffenburg. |---------------- | |Informative web sites to Aschaffenburg | |1. Aschaffenburg: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aschaffenburg | |2. Map, Weather, and Airports | http://www.fallingrain.com/world/GM/2/Aschaffenburg.html | |3. Aschaffenburg Online (Events and other info): |http://www.Aschaffenburg.de/ | |Richard :-) |Winston-Salem, NC |------------------- | |On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:28:16 -0400 lp247a@aol.com writes: |> Hello list.. |> |> Made a breakthrough discovery today of the ancestral town(s?) of my |> HARTMANN ancestors. In a marriage record for sisters Genevieve and |> Magdenlena HARTMANN, Reistenhausen, Bavaria is listed as place of |> birth. In different records for Genevieve, this is followed by |> Aschaffenburg, prope(?). Their parents are listed as KILIANI |> HARTMANN and MARIA OTTING or MARIA ANNA ORT (presumably the same |> mother?). |> I have found Reistenhausen with a name change in after the 1920s to |> Collenburg. On a different historical map, it looks as if |> Aschaffenburg is a whole region of Bavaria, and I'm now not sure if |> Aschaffenburg is a single town. Does anyone on list have any |> knowledge of these places who could help clarify the connections, |> and thus where I should look for records? |> Thanks in advance.... |> Noreen Alexander Manzella |> |> |> ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== |> Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to |> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html |> to unsubscribe |> |> |> | | |==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== | |Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to |be added to |WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? |Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records | |______________________________

I wanted to share with the group my experience with an ancestor who was said to be from Aschaffenburg in the Census Records here in the United States. Based on a census record, I assumed the ancestor was from the city of Aschaffenburg. For years, I had tried to search every available source for the city of Ashaffenburg and did not find them. Eventually, I came to the conclusion that the census record was indicating the region of Aschaffenburg. I turned my attention to a search of villages around the city of Aschaffenburg, and eventually found them in KLEINKAHL and SONDERKAHL. Based on my experience, I would encourage searchers to research further if you find a record indicating Aschaffenburg. You may be pleasantly surprised when you are able to find even more specific information about your ancestors in a nearby village. Steve Frank SFrank@woh.rr.com Tiffin, Ohio

Does anyone have ancestors in the region of Burgebrach? Names and towns: Pleffner - Zettmansdorf, Oberneuses Bickel - Halbersdorf Schrufer - Oberneuses Eichhorn - Oberneuses Fries - Spielhof Schmauser - Steinsdorf Metzner - Steinsdorf Muller - Reichmannsdorf Rupprecht - Reichmannsdorf Betz - Unterneuses Dressel - Stappenbach Bogensperger - Dippach Giehl - Wolfsbach

Website:www.aschaffenburg.de E-Mail-Adresse:stadt-aschaffenburg @aschaffenburg.de Noreen, I should have said late wife. My wife passed away in March 1998. I don't know the address for the diocese, but any information particular to the city and it's functions can be acquired from one or both of the following addresses. (I'm not sure if it needs to be translated.) Website: www.aschaffenburg.de E-mail address: stadt-aschaffenburg@aschaffenburg.de Richard :-) -------------------- On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:59:46 -0400 lp247a@aol.com writes: > Thank you Richard for the tips on Aschaffenburg. A name in my > collateral lines from Aschaffenburg is ORT. Catherine THEODORE > married Jacob Ort from Aschaffenburg. I believe my Theodores, > Hartmanns, and Orts were all interconnected as many families from > the mid-1850s were. > > Would you by chance know the diocese that Aschaffenburg belongs to? > > Thanks again, > Noreen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard W Jones <richmack3@juno.com> > To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:56:50 -0400 > Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] HARTMANN/ReistenhausenAschaffenburg > > > Noreen, > > Nice town. I was there in the 60s and again in the 70s. My wife is > from > Aschaffenburg. > ---------------- > > Informative web sites to Aschaffenburg > > 1. Aschaffenburg: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aschaffenburg > > 2. Map, Weather, and Airports > > http://www.fallingrain.com/world/GM/2/Aschaffenburg.html > > 3. Aschaffenburg Online (Events and other info): > http://www.Aschaffenburg.de/ > > Richard :-) > Winston-Salem, NC > ------------------- > > On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:28:16 -0400 lp247a@aol.com writes: > > Hello list.. > > > > Made a breakthrough discovery today of the ancestral town(s?) of > my > > HARTMANN ancestors. In a marriage record for sisters Genevieve > and > > Magdenlena HARTMANN, Reistenhausen, Bavaria is listed as place of > > > birth. In different records for Genevieve, this is followed by > > Aschaffenburg, prope(?). Their parents are listed as KILIANI > > HARTMANN and MARIA OTTING or MARIA ANNA ORT (presumably the same > > mother?). > > I have found Reistenhausen with a name change in after the 1920s > to > > Collenburg. On a different historical map, it looks as if > > Aschaffenburg is a whole region of Bavaria, and I'm now not sure > if > > Aschaffenburg is a single town. Does anyone on list have any > > knowledge of these places who could help clarify the connections, > > > and thus where I should look for records? > > Thanks in advance.... > > Noreen Alexander Manzella > > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > > to unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > > Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to > be added to > WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? > Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > > Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to > be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? > Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records > > >

Thank you Richard for the tips on Aschaffenburg. A name in my collateral lines from Aschaffenburg is ORT. Catherine THEODORE married Jacob Ort from Aschaffenburg. I believe my Theodores, Hartmanns, and Orts were all interconnected as many families from the mid-1850s were. Would you by chance know the diocese that Aschaffenburg belongs to? Thanks again, Noreen -----Original Message----- From: Richard W Jones <richmack3@juno.com> To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:56:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] HARTMANN/ReistenhausenAschaffenburg Noreen, Nice town. I was there in the 60s and again in the 70s. My wife is from Aschaffenburg. ---------------- Informative web sites to Aschaffenburg 1. Aschaffenburg: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aschaffenburg 2. Map, Weather, and Airports http://www.fallingrain.com/world/GM/2/Aschaffenburg.html 3. Aschaffenburg Online (Events and other info): http://www.Aschaffenburg.de/ Richard :-) Winston-Salem, NC ------------------- On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:28:16 -0400 lp247a@aol.com writes: > Hello list.. > > Made a breakthrough discovery today of the ancestral town(s?) of my > HARTMANN ancestors. In a marriage record for sisters Genevieve and > Magdenlena HARTMANN, Reistenhausen, Bavaria is listed as place of > birth. In different records for Genevieve, this is followed by > Aschaffenburg, prope(?). Their parents are listed as KILIANI > HARTMANN and MARIA OTTING or MARIA ANNA ORT (presumably the same > mother?). > I have found Reistenhausen with a name change in after the 1920s to > Collenburg. On a different historical map, it looks as if > Aschaffenburg is a whole region of Bavaria, and I'm now not sure if > Aschaffenburg is a single town. Does anyone on list have any > knowledge of these places who could help clarify the connections, > and thus where I should look for records? > Thanks in advance.... > Noreen Alexander Manzella > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > to unsubscribe > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records

FYI: 1830-1912 FREE SEARCHING on a little known site: Immigrants also arrived in a port called Castle Garden in the state of New York: www.castlegarden.org If your family came before the Ellis Island Records this is a site which might be of assistance to you! Includes Names, Ages, Dates and Ship Name for Irish and English and "German" immigrants (Remember that "Germany" contained part of France during 1830-1912!) God bless you all and God DOES love you

Noreen, Nice town. I was there in the 60s and again in the 70s. My wife is from Aschaffenburg. ---------------- Informative web sites to Aschaffenburg 1. Aschaffenburg: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aschaffenburg 2. Map, Weather, and Airports http://www.fallingrain.com/world/GM/2/Aschaffenburg.html 3. Aschaffenburg Online (Events and other info): http://www.Aschaffenburg.de/ Richard :-) Winston-Salem, NC ------------------- On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:28:16 -0400 lp247a@aol.com writes: > Hello list.. > > Made a breakthrough discovery today of the ancestral town(s?) of my > HARTMANN ancestors. In a marriage record for sisters Genevieve and > Magdenlena HARTMANN, Reistenhausen, Bavaria is listed as place of > birth. In different records for Genevieve, this is followed by > Aschaffenburg, prope(?). Their parents are listed as KILIANI > HARTMANN and MARIA OTTING or MARIA ANNA ORT (presumably the same > mother?). > I have found Reistenhausen with a name change in after the 1920s to > Collenburg. On a different historical map, it looks as if > Aschaffenburg is a whole region of Bavaria, and I'm now not sure if > Aschaffenburg is a single town. Does anyone on list have any > knowledge of these places who could help clarify the connections, > and thus where I should look for records? > Thanks in advance.... > Noreen Alexander Manzella > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > to unsubscribe > > >

Hello list.. Made a breakthrough discovery today of the ancestral town(s?) of my HARTMANN ancestors. In a marriage record for sisters Genevieve and Magdenlena HARTMANN, Reistenhausen, Bavaria is listed as place of birth. In different records for Genevieve, this is followed by Aschaffenburg, prope(?). Their parents are listed as KILIANI HARTMANN and MARIA OTTING or MARIA ANNA ORT (presumably the same mother?). I have found Reistenhausen with a name change in after the 1920s to Collenburg. On a different historical map, it looks as if Aschaffenburg is a whole region of Bavaria, and I'm now not sure if Aschaffenburg is a single town. Does anyone on list have any knowledge of these places who could help clarify the connections, and thus where I should look for records? Thanks in advance.... Noreen Alexander Manzella

I agree with Trudy. I have The Great German Research Companion by Shirley Riemer sitting next to my computer. LaVerne

It was good of you, Beth, to mention that handbook. We should mention some of these good handbooks more often. One that may have been mentioned before is ---- Shirley J. Riemer's great book for researching Germany when you cannot afford to visit the homeland of you ancestors ---- "The German Research Companion" published in 2000 by Lorelei Press. It is about $32.00 which includes S&H and any applicable tax. This is the updated and expanded second edition. Great book! Trudy Muller Lundy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave or Beth Arnott" <dsarnott@execpc.com> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 10:25 AM Subject: Great little book! > Hi Listers, > > I found a great book called "Researching in Germany: A handbook for your > visit to the homeland of your ancestors." It was written by Roger P. > MINERT and Shirley J. RIEMER. It was published in 2001 by the Lorelei > Press. The ISBN is:0-9656761-5-3. It sells for $18.95. > > It contains absolutely anything and everything you would want to know for > a trip to Germany to do genealogy. See if your library or book store has > it. > > Beth STEINBERG ARNOTT >

Hi Listers, I found a great book called "Researching in Germany: A handbook for your visit to the homeland of your ancestors." It was written by Roger P. MINERT and Shirley J. RIEMER. It was published in 2001 by the Lorelei Press. The ISBN is:0-9656761-5-3. It sells for $18.95. It contains absolutely anything and everything you would want to know for a trip to Germany to do genealogy. See if your library or book store has it. Beth STEINBERG ARNOTT

Hi, I grew up in one of the neighboring towns (Ochsenfurt). Gnodtstadt is a small farming village, very fertile soil. A few miles from the river Main. They have good sized, stately farmer houses there. I think there's a family book on the protestant parish in Marktbreit by Fritz Mägerlein with the GFF (http://www.gf-franken.de/ ). Regards Stefan

http://www.gnodstadt.de/ http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnodstadt http://www.fallingrain.com/world/GM/2/Gnodstadt.html Pamela Splettstoesser www.palettemasters.com -----Original Message----- From: L Elaine Peak [mailto:epeak@cox.net] Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 1:28 AM To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BAVARIA] Location help Please In the 1600's there are records of the Hegwein family in GNODSTADT, BAYERN. I can't find it on any of my maps. Can someone tell me where it is or was? Towns close by might locate it on modern maps. Thanks, Dianne ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Have you consider the volunteering of transcribing parish records to be added to WorldGenWeb Archives for others to research? Contact mailto:dsam@sampubco.com?subject=transcribing_records

In the 1600's there are records of the Hegwein family in GNODSTADT, BAYERN. I can't find it on any of my maps. Can someone tell me where it is or was? Towns close by might locate it on modern maps. Thanks, Dianne

In a message dated 10/5/2005 9:00:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, BAVARIA-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Thank you, Paul, for your help. Now, I'm down to the place: Winterborn where my ancestor (Johannes Schr=F6= eder) says he was born or was from as listed on his 1820 passport. I have found two Winterborns: 1) Winterborn (or Winterborn-Pflaz) northeast of Saarbr=FCcken. 2) Winterborn - just outside of Bonn (northeast) & appears to be very sma= ll. Questions: Where both of these locations formerly in old Bavaria? I feel my ancestor's town/village is #1 (above) as it is the closest to B= aden-Baden where his son Daniel Schr=F6eder was supposedly born. Hi Deane: Unfortunately I'm not that familiar with the geography at that time, but I'm sure someone else on the list will be able to answer your question. Paul

Thank you, Paul, for your help. Now, I'm down to the place: Winterborn where my ancestor (Johannes Schröeder) says he was born or was from as listed on his 1820 passport. I have found two Winterborns: 1) Winterborn (or Winterborn-Pflaz) northeast of Saarbrücken. 2) Winterborn - just outside of Bonn (northeast) & appears to be very small. Questions: Where both of these locations formerly in old Bavaria? I feel my ancestor's town/village is #1 (above) as it is the closest to Baden-Baden where his son Daniel Schröeder was supposedly born. Thank you, Deane in Las Vegas, Nevada USA

In a message dated 10/5/2005 4:00:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, BAVARIA-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: My ancestor is Johannes Schroeder b. 1769. His passport was issued March 28, 1820 (to travel with family). It was issued by the royal Bavarian Government of Rhinecircle. What is or was the royal Bavarian Government of Rhinecircle? Hi Deane: If the original German word was "Rheinkreis," Rhinecircle is not the best translation. Although "Kreis" can mean circle, in this context it refers to an administrative district that is somewhat similar to our county. This district/county was established in 1816 and was part of Bavaria which then had a monarchy; hence "Royal Bavarian Government." Today, I think the area is referred to as the "Rheinland-Palatinate." The following site has more information: _http://en.wiki.genealogy.net/index.php/Bavaria_Administrative_Organization_ (http://en.wiki.genealogy.net/index.php/Bavaria_Administrative_Organization) Paul

Looking for any information on Caspar Moerspacher (Moersbacher or Moerschbacher), born about 1822 possibly in or near Leiwen, married to Magdalene Zwiebel in 1847 in Pottsville, Pennsylvania, USA. Thanks Lew Z