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Does anyone know of a site where I might find old German script alpha? I am searching documents and need to familiarize myself with it. I took German in college ( many years ago), but I am having real difficulty with the script. I can decipher modern characters fairly well. Thanks for any help you can give. Marianne Bullmer Ritchie 102736.1007@compuserve.com

It seems to me, that in USA everybody in previous times spelled just what he wanted ;-) (i.e. listened), whereas in Bavaria people tried to be more consistent. Is this taken as the reason to excuse sometimes careless spelling now? I for my side will try to be careful to spell names as I find them, since (even if it is not guaranteed) the likelihood that related people are recorded with the same spelling is higher than with different spelling. I think correct spelling (i.e. as found) is a rather important detail to find relations - at least inside Bavaria - and shouldn't be lost. Regards, Stefan ______________________________________________ Stefan Probst stefan@v-nam.net Hanoi, Vietnam http://www.all.ourfamily.com At 19:06 30.10.99 -0700, you wrote: ------------------------- > To the subscribers of this Bavaria mail list, I am awfully sorry to > have created some anxious moments for your listowner, to have him > remind me that we should use the above. Since my computer system is > way behind recent developments, I don't know how my Schbell Tschecker > works, and have to resort in using dicktschionaries and my old Schell > Atlas for Ortsnamen. I do apologize that I started this trend, and > until such time my system had an overhaul, I will keep my trap closed. > Buy for now, > John Helmut Merz, on beautiful Lake Ontario. > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Bavaria-L users - send to bavaria-L-request > Bavaria-D (digest) users - send to bavaria-D-request > >

To the subscribers of this Bavaria mail list, I am awfully sorry to have created some anxious moments for your listowner, to have him remind me that we should use the above. Since my computer system is way behind recent developments, I don't know how my Schbell Tschecker works, and have to resort in using dicktschionaries and my old Schell Atlas for Ortsnamen. I do apologize that I started this trend, and until such time my system had an overhaul, I will keep my trap closed. Buy for now, John Helmut Merz, on beautiful Lake Ontario.

In the Civil War an ancestor's name is spelled four different ways, two ways on his reenlistment papers. It is wrong in the Ohio Records and on a county memorial. The marriage record is spelled Graus, later it was Krauss. The marriage record is Schlenk, later it was Schlenker. My aunt could not find her marriage record because Gerstacker was recorded as Gustacku. In one Census Sommer was recorded as Summer. In one family half the children used the first name, the other half the second name. GOOD LUCK Bob Gerstacker

I am looking for information on my grandfather Otto Muller-Litz and my grandmother Clara Schellorn. They lived in Naustadt b. Coburg. Otto was from Lausau and was a glassblower before he came to Naustadt. Clara was from Naustadt. They had 13 children. Thank you for any help you can give me. Miriam ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

John Helmut Merz This is being posted to the list in response to your comments. Place names spelling are irrevelant because whenever anyone who immigrated to America, is likely to have the names spelled phonetically rather than ACTUAL spelling to the English listeners and writers. And number one rule - don't criticize! Be polite in helping and do NOT criticize. Most of the subscribers do NOT have their spelling checkers in use at all the time. I don't. W. David Samuelsen, listowner

Earlier today, I posted a message about W�zburg, in which I wrote hurriedly that it was southwest of Frankfurt am Main. Well, haste makes waste. The was incorrect, of course. W�zburg is southeast of Frankfurt am Main, not southwest. David F. Schmidt Walnut Creek, CA, USA dfschmidt@earthlink.net

UNSUBSCRIBE BAVARIA-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > BAVARIA-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 383 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [BAVARIA] Spitzner and Koenig ["Everett Spitzner" <everettspitzne] > #2 Re: [BAVARIA] Place: DENDLER, Bava ["Ceal Wutka" <ceal@wutka.com>] > #3 [BAVARIA] Wachter family BAVARIA-A [=?iso-8859-1?q?Bernhard=20Wachter?] > #4 Re: [BAVARIA] Place: DENDLER, Bava [llflinner@webtv.net (Larry Flinner] > #5 [BAVARIA] Spitzner and Koenig ["A Thyme To Plant Herb Farm, Inc."] > > Administrivia: > Brother or Sister, > Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? > Ask me why.....mailto:dsam@wasatch.com > > To unsubscribe from BAVARIA-D, send a message to > BAVARIA-D-request@rootsweb.com > that contains in the body of the message the command > unsubscribe > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [BAVARIA] Spitzner and Koenig > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:22:44 -0500 > From: "Everett Spitzner" <everettspitzner@mediaone.net> > To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com > > I am interested in the following relatives: > 1. Henry Koenig born April 1813 in Bavaria > 2. Casper Spitzner or Sittsner born abt 18035 > 3. Barbara Spitzner born 1803 > > Any and all assistance would be appreciated > Everett Spitzner > Retired Gentleman of Leisure > PADI Certified Open Water Scuba Diver > everettspitzner@mediaone.net > 630 627 1273 > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] Place: DENDLER, Bavaria > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:54:19 -0400 > From: "Ceal Wutka" <ceal@wutka.com> > To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com > > I just saw the pics of the tombstone and the name there is very clearly > "Dendler." This information was most likely given by his wife, who came from > Hesse-Darmstadt herself. So she may have only heard his place of birth and > not seen it written, or did not remember it correctly. I am searching my map > index for a possible city that could have sounded like "Dendler." > > The 1860 and 1880 census says he was born in Wuerttemberg. So I am a bit > leary about his place of birth being in Bavaria. His wife could also have > been wrong about that. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry Flinner, Jr. <llflinner@webtv.net> > To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 2342 PM > Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] Place: DENDLER, Bavaria > > > Dave, > > > > geo@genealogy.net did not locate a town by this name. Have you > > considered the possibility of a misspelling on the tombstone? The > > village of Detter, located in Kries Bad Kissingen, Unterfranken, Bayern > > comes to mind. It's just a thought. > > > > Larry > > > > ----Original Message---- > > > > Can anyone help on the location of this town. I tried Bridge Across the > > Atlantic for Bavaria and also Microsoft Europe 2000 and no listing in > > either. This was on a tombstone for Solomon KETTNER, born in Dendler, > > Bavaria. > > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation? Longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > Bavaria-L users - send to bavaria-L-request > > Bavaria-D (digest) users - send to bavaria-D-request > > > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [BAVARIA] Wachter family BAVARIA-ALLGAEU > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:22:29 +0200 (CEST) > From: Bernhard Wachter <b_wachter@yahoo.de> > To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com > > m searching members of the family WACHTER, the oldest > person I now was Joseph Wachter born 1705 in > Burkatzhofen/BAVARIA in the ALLGAEU. The family mostly > live in the Allgäu, in Stiefenhofen, Ellhofen, > Immenstadt. > > ===== > > __________________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Yahoo! Auktionen - gleich ausprobieren - http://auktionen.yahoo.de > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] Place: DENDLER, Bavaria > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:58:14 -0400 (EDT) > From: llflinner@webtv.net (Larry Flinner, Jr.) > To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com > > For a pretty good batch of Town Locator options go to: > > http://users.rootsweb.com/~deuhes/Hessen/towns.htm > > Perhaps you have already tried these. > > Larry > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [BAVARIA] Spitzner and Koenig > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:12:44 -0400 > From: "A Thyme To Plant Herb Farm, Inc." <102736.1007@compuserve.com> > To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com > > I have a KOENIG, but I know nothing except she was most likely from > Kempten, and that she was my gggrandmother. She married my gggrandfather > .........BULLMER, and had four sons, George, David, Charles, and Andrew. > Does any of this sound familiar? > > Marianne/VA > 102736.2007@compuserve.com

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Dear listers, time and again we hear the lament that names have been misspelled in the past by those ancient scribes, and on account of it we ave all those variations to content with when doing research. It is therefore kind of annoying when you read e-mail postings about names and places, and how careless those names and places are being typed out. It is important that more care is being taken, because our computers are so case sensitive and search engines will not find what you are posting if not typed correctly. If you look for GIESSEN one should write GIESSEN and not GEISSEN, should write NIEDER- and not NEIDER-, JOACHIM and not JAOCHIM, you get my drift? Cheers, John Merz and not Mertz. (a subscriber to this list)

Sue Griffin asked: >Michael A. FREITAG b. Sept 9, 1864 in Witsburg?, Bavaria. He >immigrated to US in 1888 or 1890. He was the son of John FREITAG >b. Houssen, Bavaria and Eva Werthmann b. Houssen, Bavaria. They >were Catholics. Any idea on a church I could possible write to in >Witzburg or Houssen to see if there were any other siblings,etc. I believe that "Witzburg" is an Anglicization of Würzburg, a city located on the Main River southwest of Frankfurt am Main. Würzburg was a Catholic area, which matches the information that you give above. It is my understanding that Catholic church records from Würzburg and vicinity are held at a centralized location in Würzburg. You could start out by seeing what Catholic church records the LDS Church has microfilmed in Würzburg and vicinity (www.familysearch.org). Search the Family History Library Catalog listings. If LDS does not have microfilmed records, someone on this list should be able to give you the address of the office in Würzburg that has Catholic church records from that area. Keep in mind that Würzburg could refer to the surrounding area as well as to the city. If you don't find records in the city, you should consider this possibility. In that case, you may have to obtain all available records from the U.S. (i.e., New World) to see if any of them lists the town of origin. I believe that "Houssen" probably refers to Hessen, which is covers a wide area west and northwest of Würzburg. If you have not already done so, I would check the IGI (International Genealogical Index) listings for FREITAG at your local LDS Family History Center. You may find entries there that would give you the town in Hessen for John (Johannes?) FREITAG and Eva WERTHMANN. If not, I next would try to obtain all available records in the U.S. (i.e., New World) to see if any of them mentions a specific town for FREITAG or WERTHMANN. This would include the ship passenger list from the U.S. side. If the ship that they came on departed from Hamburg, be sure to check the Hamburg passenger list (i.e., record from the German side; available on microfilm at LDS Family History Center). That would give the town(s) of origin. David F. Schmidt Walnut Creek, CA, USA dfschmidt@earthlink.net

second edition Dear listers, Can you help me ? I search the ancestors of Theodorus Langolf, maried in Doerrenbach (Pfalz, near Kandel), with Rosina Gehl, on January 29 th, 1691, in the Evangelish Church of this village. Problem : the evangel. church register of Doerrenbach begin only in 1690 !! Question : can I find earlier citations of this familly name (if Langolf live in this place before 1690) ? Any researcher tell me, I can mayde find this informations into the census (Volkszaehlungs-listen), or in "Buergerbuechern", or in "Testamente". There's one snag : I can't go to Germany !! Your help is my alonest chance: Thank you very in advance, God bless. J Patrick Langolf, Ardeche, France PS was Doerrenbach in France betwenn 1648 and 1815 ? ===== ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Votre e-mail @yahoo.fr gratuit sur http://courrier.yahoo.fr

Dear listers, Can you help me ? I search the familly name Langolf into lists of immigration (in the Pfalz) from Switzerland and from Alsace (France) following the depopulation of the Thirty Years War (1618-1648). Can you maybe give a look on this lists (if you have an easy access on this documents) I can't travel to Germany, and your help is my alonest chance: Thank you very in advance, God bless you. J Patrick Langolf, Ardeche, France ===== ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Votre e-mail @yahoo.fr gratuit sur http://courrier.yahoo.fr

Hello, I can't help you with your genealogy but if you are interested in the town where your g-grandfather was born, check out this site. This is absolutely beautiful country. http://www.stadtmagazin.com/staedte/fraenkis/goessweinstein.htm In your spelling of the town your "o" is actually umlauted (an "ö" or "oe"). Enjoy, Mary Ann > My g-grandfather John HELD b. Aug 12, 1865 in Gossweinstein, Bavaria. He > immigated to NY in 1894 and was a Catholic. He was the son of John HELD and > Mary (Anna) GRELLER or GROELLER or GRAELLER. > > Any connection please e-mail me or idea of where I can fo to find additional > info. > Thanks > Sue --- Mary Ann Allen wallen@pipeline.com The Gathering Place http://sites.netscape.net/murrallen/homepage

I am looking for information on my great grandmothers family, Margaretka(Margaret) Gans. I have a good start but need to be pointed in the right direction. She was born in Wargolshausen 24 June 1867. According to my mothers cousin her fathers name was Mike Gans and he thought her mother was Albertina Stetinger. Some of her brothers and sisters were Anton, Florentia (married Marcus Krapf), Katharina (married a Knobling), Barbara (married a Nagel) and Albertina(?). Is there some where I can write to for Birth information? Will that give me the parents names? Any help or information I could get would be greatly appreciated. Thank You David Byers

My g-grandfather Michael GEHRLING was born Jan. 22, 1841 in Heinfeld, Bavaria, immigated to US in either 1870 or 1880, naturalized in 1885. He was the son of George GEHRLING and Elizabeth HERMANN (b. Steinfeld, Bavaria). Any family connections out there???? Please e-mail me. Thanks SUE ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Looking for any connection of family on: Clothilde GRIMMIG b. May 30, 1864 in Hennhofen, Bavaria. Daughter of Juliana SPRAUN and Andrew GRIMMIG (b. 1836 in Baden). She immigated to NY...dates unknow. Any connection please e-mail me. Thanks Sue ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

My g-grandfather John HELD b. Aug 12, 1865 in Gossweinstein, Bavaria. He immigated to NY in 1894 and was a Catholic. He was the son of John HELD and Mary (Anna) GRELLER or GROELLER or GRAELLER. Any connection please e-mail me or idea of where I can fo to find additional info. Thanks Sue ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Looking for a possible relative: Michael A. FREITAG b. Sept 9, 1864 in Witsburg?, Bavaria. He immigrated to US in 1888 or 1890. He was the son of John FREITAG b. Houssen, Bavaria and Eva Werthmann b. Houssen, Bavaria. They were Catholics. Any idea on a church I could possible write to in Witzburg or Houssen to see if there were any other siblings,etc. Any help is appreciated. Thanks Sue ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com