Also Houssen could be Hausen, which is 1.5 miles out of Bad Kissingen and is actually considered Bad Kissingen. Würzburg and Bad Kissingen are both in Lower Frankonia and about 60 kilometers apart. That might be a trace to look into. This is the address to the archive in Würzburg and the link below takes you to the HP, which lists all the places that Würzburg keeps records of. Diözesan-Archiv Würzburg Anschrift: Diözesan-Archiv Würzburg, Matrikelabteilung Domerschulstr. 2 97067 Würzburg Tel.: 0931 / 386 576 Öffnungszeiten: Montag bis Mittwoch 8.30 - 12.00 Uhr und 13.30 - 17.00 Uhr http://www.gf-franken.de/ Juergen -----Original Message----- From: David F Schmidt <dfschmidt@earthlink.net> To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 5:35 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] FREITAG from Houssen & Witzburg Sue Griffin asked: >Michael A. FREITAG b. Sept 9, 1864 in Witsburg?, Bavaria. He >immigrated to US in 1888 or 1890. He was the son of John FREITAG >b. Houssen, Bavaria and Eva Werthmann b. Houssen, Bavaria. They >were Catholics. Any idea on a church I could possible write to in >Witzburg or Houssen to see if there were any other siblings,etc. I believe that "Witzburg" is an Anglicization of Würzburg, a city located on the Main River southwest of Frankfurt am Main. Würzburg was a Catholic area, which matches the information that you give above. It is my understanding that Catholic church records from Würzburg and vicinity are held at a centralized location in Würzburg. You could start out by seeing what Catholic church records the LDS Church has microfilmed in Würzburg and vicinity (www.familysearch.org). Search the Family History Library Catalog listings. If LDS does not have microfilmed records, someone on this list should be able to give you the address of the office in Würzburg that has Catholic church records from that area. Keep in mind that Würzburg could refer to the surrounding area as well as to the city. If you don't find records in the city, you should consider this possibility. In that case, you may have to obtain all available records from the U.S. (i.e., New World) to see if any of them lists the town of origin. I believe that "Houssen" probably refers to Hessen, which is covers a wide area west and northwest of Würzburg. If you have not already done so, I would check the IGI (International Genealogical Index) listings for FREITAG at your local LDS Family History Center. You may find entries there that would give you the town in Hessen for John (Johannes?) FREITAG and Eva WERTHMANN. If not, I next would try to obtain all available records in the U.S. (i.e., New World) to see if any of them mentions a specific town for FREITAG or WERTHMANN. This would include the ship passenger list from the U.S. side. If the ship that they came on departed from Hamburg, be sure to check the Hamburg passenger list (i.e., record from the German side; available on microfilm at LDS Family History Center). That would give the town(s) of origin. David F. Schmidt Walnut Creek, CA, USA dfschmidt@earthlink.net ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Brother, Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? Ask me why..... mailto:dsam@wasatch.com

Hi Listers, This girl posted another list of traveling Germans and I thought I would also forward this one. Susan Subject: Auswandererliste > > This is a list of Germans who left their homes-in Germany- to "travel". They > needed permission. > I have the occupations for some of these people. > > >From Jahrbuch 1881/2 > Arbertskreis Heimatgeschichte > Naumburg > [all to America, unless noted otherwise] > * umlat in surname > Date-name-occ-to: > > Page 9 > 1880 > Weinrich, Andreas > mit Frau > 4 Kindern > Werner, Jacob > > 1881 > Koseberg, Cath. Elis.* > mit son Heinr. [4] > Kramer, Catharina > Kuglemann, Feist > mit Frau > 1Tochter > Loskant, Johann Anselm Wien > Meyer, Conrad > mit Frau > 3 Kindern > Moller, Anna Elisabeth* > Peters, Christian > Sack, Joseph > mit Mudder, Wwe > Franz Sack, geb. Jacobi > Schmand, August > > 1882 > Witwe, Heinr. Dorst > Gertrude, geb. Schmandt > mit Sohn Carl Dorst > Kramer, Regina > Kuthe, Elisabeth* > Muller, Martha Maria* > Ruppel, Anna* > Sauerwald, Daniel Wilh. > Volmar, Martin Adalbert > mit Frau [33] > 3 Kindern > Weinrich, Marthe > > 1883 > Decker, Friedrich Wilh. > Knoppel, Anna* > Knoppel, Anton* > mit Frau [42] > 5 Kindern > Werner, Maria Theresia > > 1884 > Dux, August > Kuthe, Johann Heinrich* > Schramm, Ernst Joseph > > 1886 > Schramm, Johann Leonhard > > 1887 > Draude, Friedrich, Wilh. > Page 10 > 1888 > Decker, Anton > Draude, Martin [17.8.] > mit Frau > 3 Kindern > Faust, Heinrich > Kaiser, Carl [11.6.] > mit Frau > 3 kindern > Kalber, Christian* > Kramer, carl Otto [28.8.] > mit Frau > Meier, Joseph > Nasemann, Elisa > Ritter, Johann Wilhelm > Schmille, Wilhelm [23.7.] > Schmille, Catharina " > Schmille, Elisabeth " > > 1889 > Prinz, Heinrich > > 1890 > Decker, Anton [20.2.] > Decker, Franz > Haupt, Heinrich Wilh. > Hetzler, Jacob > Kalber, Christian* [10.4.] > mit Frau > Sohn Carl > Siebert, Beata Elis. [22.2.] > > 1891 > Arcularius, Conrad > Nasemann, Maria > Stein, Martin Josef > > > 1892 > Kalber, Richard* > Vaupel, Anton [18.10.] > > 1893 > Kugelmann, Jettchen > Wiederhold, Daniel, Josef > > 1894 > Gallinger, Anna Elisabeth > Schreiber, Heinrich Adam [20.6.] > > 1896 > Volmar, Victoria [30.4.] > > 1899 > Spiegel, Aron gen. Adolph > > 1901 > Belzer, Anton > > 1902 > Wiederhold, Daniel Joseph > > 1903 > Prinz, Karl Heinrich > > 1904 > Spiegel, Aron gen. Adolph > > Page 11 > 1905 > Weinrich, ludwig Heinz > Weinrich, Anton Heinrich > > 1909 > Kangieser, Heinrich > > 1910 > Jacobi, Johann Wilhelm > Schreckert, Johann Ernst > Reif, Georg > Volmar, Wilhelm > Wurst, Justus > > 1911 > Gunst, Jakob Heinrich* > Rabanus, Johann Theodor > > 1912 > Rabanus, Joseph Daniel > Stein, karl > Stephan, Heinr. Aloysius > > 1913 > Muller, Heinrich Adalb* > > 1919 > Steller, Christiane Elis. England > > 1920 > Derix, Walter Max Zurich* > Derix, Katharina Theres. " > geb. Riebeling > Witwe, Maria Dux England > Steller, Elisabeth, Wwe " > Hoffman, Alfred Polen > > Beginning with 1871, there are dates and partial dates next to each name. I > don`t know what they mean. > > That`s all I have. E-mail me personally for the "occupations"-but not their > meanings, LOL. > 4ward this to any list. > Barbara : )

i AM LOOKING FOR and address for the the following towns. I would like to the Catholic church in each town, or where the birth and death, marriage records are kept. The first address if for Kaimling, Bavaria I would like to write to the Catholic church and also the register there. The second address is that I would like is Arnstein, in Uberfrank, Bavaria and I will honest I can not find it on a map but I know it was there in 1850. The Catholic CHurch and register. The third address is Bayreuth for the Catholic Church and the registrar. The last question I have did any one come across of a town called Schwarz, or a twn called Falkstein. Any help would appreciate. Thanks Bill Allen NY USA

To date I have not had a clear reply on what criteria used by Filby to include or exclude ship lists. I also discovered something else while getting ready to transcribe another ship (the one in 1885 - don't ask me to look up - it will be online), Filby included the ship list but OMITTED the Germans who were naturalized American citizens. Full ship lists will always be available at the istg.rootsweb.com site while the parts of lists concerning any part of German Empire including parts of Poland and of any obvious German surnames from other areas such as Russia, Switzerland, Hungary, Romania, Lithuania and elsewhere will be included on Germany site to assist anyone in narrowing to specific areas. Always two copies - one absolute full list at istg site at all the time. W. David Samuelsen "Jerry G. Bartee" wrote: > > I have been told that many many Germans are not in the Germans to America > book because only ship's list with 80% of the passengers being German were > listed. I have no proof of this but neither side of my family has been > listed. > > Mary Lou > rootsweb supporter

I have been told that many many Germans are not in the Germans to America book because only ship's list with 80% of the passengers being German were listed. I have no proof of this but neither side of my family has been listed. Mary Lou rootsweb supporter ---------- > From: W. David Samuelsen <dsam@wasatch.com> > To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BAVARIA] Re: Str. Scandia 1891 - one detail.... > Date: Sunday, October 31, 1999 10:17 PM > > Earlier I posted about Str. Scandia 1891 - I forgot to mention one > detail. > > This ship's list was completely omitted from the Germans to America > book series despite the large number of Germans on the ship. > > W. David Samuelsen > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Sister or Brother > Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? > Ask me why..... mailto:dsam@wasatch.com

Dear List, I am searching for any information on my 10th great grandfather Johannes Albrecht who came to America in 1732 with his wife Anna Barbara and their children. I have traced my line back to him and possibly his father Heinrich. Supposedly from Baveria. Just what part I don't know. Since I don't speak any German I have had a really hard time of it trying to contacting web sites in Germany. Any help at all will be appreciated. Sincerely, Lynnette Albright Hatcher

Thanks so much to all who have sent info on the above query. You have been a great help. Marianne

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Hi Listers, Okay here is a list that was posted to another list that I am on and she said it would be okay to post to any other list. Thought some of the names might be helpful to someone?? Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: <Caffecupz@aol.com> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 11:59 PM Subject: Auswandererliste > > This is a list of Germans who left their homes-in Germany- to "travel". They > needed permission. > I have the occupations for some of these people. > > >From Jahrbuch 1881/2 > Arbertskreis Heimatgeschichte > Naumburg > [all to America, unless noted otherwise] > * umlat in surname > Page 1 > Date-name-from-to: > 1852 > Bodiger, Philipp* > Dorst, Friedrich > Fabra, Julius > Gehring, Heinrich > Grebe, Johannes > Grunhardt, Wilhelm > Muller, Johannes* rel. > Elisabeth > geb. Rabanus > Muller, Jacob* > Muller, Joseph* > Muller, Martin* > Muller, Heinrich* > mit frau > 2 Sohnen, 1 tochter > Muller, Anton* > Rudolph, georg > Schmand, Anton > mit Frau > 1 Tochter > Stassel, Hartmann > > 1853: > Eisenbeil, Joseph > Ermete, Helene > Flentje, Franz Ludwig > Flentje, Andreas Hein. > Frank, Isaac Koln > Grebe, Heinrich > Grunhard, Wilh. Friedr. > Kaufhold, Heinrich > Loscant, Maria > Prinz, Heinrich > Rudolph, Heinrich > Sengelaub, Vitus > Schlutz, Josef J. > Stein, Philipp > mit Frau > 3 sohnen > 3 tochter > > Page 2 > 1854: > Appel, Friedericke > Arcularius, Joh. Heinr. > mit frau > 1 sohn > Backer, Heinrich > mit frau > 1 sohn > 2 tochter > Bien, Joseph > Bien, Moritz > Bien, Hermann > Bier, Ber > Blumenkron, Abraham > Draude, Joseph > Dux, Anton > Dux, Konrad Karl > mit fam. > Eibel, Johannes > Engelhard, Johannes > Engelhard, Philipp-rel. > Fabra, Adalbert > Finke, Johan Franz > Iserlohn > Fulling, Johannes * > mit Frau > 2 Kindern > Gutenberg, Martin > Grunhard, Joseph > Grenzebach, Johannes > Hahn, Anna > Heinemann, Catharina > Haber, Peter > mit frau > 1 Sohn > 2 Tochter > Herchenroder, Johannes* > Kramer, Conrad* > Knoppel, Joseph* > Kalber, Johannes* > Kramer, Wilh. Josef > mit frau > 3 kindern > Kramer, Casper > Kramer, Georg Anton > mit Frau > 3 Kindern > Kalber, Georg Anton* > mit Frau > 2 Kindern > Jacobi, Johannes > mit Frau > 4 Kindern > Jacobi, Johannes > mit Frau > 4 kindern > [different family] > > Page 3 > 1854 > Keiser, Katharina > Kramer, Adam > Loskant, Louis > Loskants, Joseph-rel. ["s" is not a mistake] > Theresa > mit 2 Sohnen > Muller, Anna* > Prinz, Joseph > Peters, Anton > Rudolph, Johannes > Reimann, E. Caroline > Rennet, M. Julie > Rabanus, Anna > Sack, Adrian Peter > Siebert, Jacob > Schmand, Johannes > Schorbach, Johannes > mit Fam. > Siebert, Christian > Stickel, Philipp > mit fam. > Stephan, Joseph > mit Fam. > Schlutz, Anna > Schmille, Franz > Walter, Franz > Walther, Heinrich > Werner, Jacob > Werner, Elise > Walter, Meine > Walter, Cath. Margarete > Vaupel, George > > 1855 > Frank, Jacob > Hannover > Grunhard, Joseph > Loskant, Joseph > Merhenne[?], Moritz > Preuben > > 1856 > Blumenkron, Aron > Ermete, Johann Daniel > Fried, Jereme > Berlin > Siegmund, Sustmann Gen. Australien > Kaiser-Bluth* > Stein, Joseph > [24.10] > Walter, Martin-rel. > mit 1 Sohn > > Page 4 > 1857 > Bieding, Hermann-Adm. > Bien, Riekchen > Bien, Emanuel > mit Frau > 2 Tochtern > > Eubel, Helena > Fishcher, Adam PreuBen > Muller, Joh. Simon* > Prinz, Dorothea > Schmand, Joh. Franz PreuBen > Stephen, Peter Paul > > 1858 > Dornemann, Karl* > Holzhausen, Ludwig PreuBen > Rudolph, Heinrich > Schmand, Heinrich Rubland > Stein, Adam PreuBen > mit Frau > 2 kindern > > 1859 > Fried, David > Loskant, Ludwig > > 1860 > Avemann, Ferd. Gerlach > Avemann, Phil. Ferd. > Blankemier, Heinr. Josef PreuBen > Dux, Martha > Freund, Clara > [12.10] > Gehring, Hermann > Gehring, Karl > Stein, Heinrich > PreuBen > > 1861 > Betz, Johannes Waldeck > Gehring, Anna > mit 1 Kindern > Heerd, Joh. Conrad [not my mistake] PreuBen > Schmand, Anton RuBland > > 1862 > Eibel, Franz > Preuben > Hund, Martin " > Isaac Kaiser-Bluth* " > Wiegand, Wilhelm C. " > > > 1863 > Bartscher, Heinr. Joseph PreuBen > Fischer, Karl Ludwig Waldeck > Fried, Helene > > > Page 5 > 1863 > Gens, jakob > PreuBen > Kaufhold, Wilhelm > Kohler, Jakob > Loskant, Ludwig > Sack, Joseph > Simon, Franz > Preuben > Stephen, Heinrich > " > > 1864 > Arnold, Johannes > mit frau > Arnold, Peter-rel > mit 2 kindern > Bamberger, Jakob Oldenberg > Bamberger, Nathan > Preuben > Appel, Joseph Wolg gen. > Dux, Joseph > Dux, Josephe > [13.5.] > Dux, Daniel > Dux, Peter > PreuBen > Ermete, Joh. Blasius > mit fam. > Fried, Jacob > Heller, Joh. Franz > Hetzler, Anton > PreuBen > Krimmell, Heinr. Bernard > Sachsen > Loskant, Louis > [13.5.] > Loskant, Joseph > " > Mette, Ludwig > PreuBen > Moller, Wiegand* > Rabanus, Heinrich > PreuBen > Rudolph, Joh. Heinr. > Schorbach, Heinrich > Petersburg, RuBland > Wassermann > Bremen > Wiederhold, Johannes > mit Frau > 4 Kindern > > 1865 > Asch, Kaspar > Hannover > Eibel, Joseph > PreuBen > Schlutz, Franz > Stracke, August > > Page 6 > 1866 > Dux, Johan Daniel > Draute, Mathilde > Dittmar, Wilhelm > [9.4.] > Jacobi, Joh. Blasius > Moller, Wiegand August Theordor* > Lorentz, Heinrich > Rudolph, Martin > Stephan, Anton > Stephan, Elis. Helene > Fabra, Ernst > [21.11.] > > 1867 > Borger, Heinrich* > [27.3.] > Simon, Martha > [24.4.] > > 1868 > Bock, Franz > [3.3.] > Prinz, August > " > > 1870 > Moller, Jakob* > [23.4.] > mit Frau > 2 Kindern > Weinrich, Andreas > mit Frau > > 1871 > Avemann, Friedrich Wilh. " > Draute, Heinrich > mit Frau > 4 kindern > Herchenroder, Auguste* > Holzhausen, Martin > mit fam. > Kalber, Franz Anton* > Amsterdam > Rabanus > mit fam. > Schmand, Ernst > RuBland > Schmand, George > Petersburg > Siebert, Johann Martin > Elise Asch, geb.Schlitt > Asch, Witwe des Adam > mit Enkelin Elise Asch > > More pages to come. E-mail me personally for the "occupations". > 4ward this to any list. > Barbara : )

Hi to all, I would like to thank all of you who took the time to answer my post about Giessen. My friend is now on the Hesse list thanks to all of you.. She and I am very appreciative. Susan

Researching the surname Graen (pronounced Grain) Would appreciate it if anyone has seen this surname at all and exactly where. Haven't been able to come up with anything yet. Jane Ruck strdancr@dnc.net

Earlier I posted about Str. Scandia 1891 - I forgot to mention one detail. This ship's list was completely omitted from the Germans to America book series despite the large number of Germans on the ship. W. David Samuelsen

Let you know I finished transcribed ship list of 806 passengers of Str. Scandia, arrived in New York 26 March 1891 from Hamburg, Germany Passengers came from: Prussia (all areas) Poland Switzerland Bavaria Wurttemberg Russia (both Poland & Lithuania areas) Mecklenburg Denmark Austria Hungary go to http://www.rootsweb.com/~wggerman/ and follow the links to Ship Lists - 1891. W. David Samuelsen

You might try one of these sites: http://www.genealogy.net/gene/gifs/script2.gif http://www.genealogy.net/gene/gifs/script3.gif http://www.genealogy.net/gene/gifs/script1.gif or http://www.genealogy.net/gene/misc/matrik-beisp.html I believe I've also heard others mention a sheet available from the LDS Family History Centers addressing the script issues, but am not sure if it was specifically German script. Good luck! Christine

Does anyone have any information on the following names in Bavaria, Ger. Anna Maria Riedman who lived in Butler, Morris County, NJ and died around 1922 mentioned the following in her will who were living in Bavaria in 1923. Anna Eisentraut, Josephine, Edmund and Elizabeth Rack and Margaretha Schmidt. Valentine Riedman living in Brooklyn was her executor and he died in Dec 1922. I am trying to pinpoint a town in Bavaria where Valentine Riedman was born in 1866. Was Anna Maria related to him? and how? Any help would be appreciated. Marie

I am searching for EVA MARIA BECK born 4 NOV 1838 in Wernetz, K.L. Gericht Rothenberg Rein-Bairen (spelling?). Came to USA in 1854. A Linda from Los Angeles said she was researching BECK among others. But I failed to note her e-mail. If LINDA sees this would she please contact me. Maybe we are looking for the same family. Dennis Fargo, North Dakota

I typed German script in my Alta Vista search engine, and this came up first. Good. http://www.und.nodak.edu/dept/library/Departments/abc/german.htm Cynthia

For a page of German script alphabet, go to: http://www.mun.ca/rels/morav/pics/tutor/mscript2.html Hope it helps, Larry ----Original Message---- Does anyone know of a site where I might find old German script alpha? I am searching documents and need to familiarize myself with it. I took German in college ( many years ago), but I am having real difficulty with the script. I can decipher modern characters fairly well. Thanks for any help you can give. Marianne Bullmer Ritchie 102736.1007@compuserve.com

>Marianne Bullmer Ritchie >102736.1007@compuserve.com wrote >Does anyone know of a site where I might find old German script alpha Hi Marianne I got the following from Cyndi's list: http://www.mun.ca/rels/morav/pics/tutor/mscript2.html You might want to check there for more information. June in Texas USA - ------------------------------------------------------- GJL@PDQ.NET Germany: PENSEL, SOMMER, TREPTE, GÖTZ, SELCH

Hi, Can anyone do a lookup of records for Bernbach, Nuenburg... for Elizabeth Waldmann. She had sons Adam* 1829, Friederich * Jul 1832 and Christoph * 1824... maybe others... would like to know who her husband was and leads to where I might get more information about the family. Thanks Dave, Dave Waldmann > St L MO Dhwaldmann@aol.com