Hi, I have been looking for some information about my great-grandparents, Johan Georg Woelfe and Marguerite Hetzelein. The marriage records from St. Joseph Church in Johnstown, PA, 1960, suggest that they came from Oberehrenbach or Mittelehrenbach in the Diocese of Bamberg, Bayern. I believe these towns lie southeast of Bamberg. Does anybody know anything about these families? Sr. Marjorie Nickel

Hello I am new to the list and am searching for surnames KIRCHNER, GUNKEL, ROTHEMUND or ROTHERMUND. These are the names of my grandparents all of whom came from Germany. I have some history, and wouold like to make it more complete. If there is anyone interested in these surnames, please e-mail me. Rudy Rothemund slider@valkyrie.net slider@valkyrie.net ICQ UIN: 16940151 AOL IM: rrothemund HOMEPAGE: http://www.valkyrie.net/~slider

My ggrandmother was Dorothea Huebsch, born in Bavaria in 1840 and arrived in the US 1854. From her death certificate I learned her parents were J.G. Huebsch and Ursula Koenigereiter. Two siblings of Dorothea also came here at different times. For many years I have searched for their birthplace but without success. Can someone help me? Has anyone heard of the Koenigereiter name? They were German Lutherans. I would be most appreciative if someone could help me get by this "brick wall." Dorothy

I am very new to this list and am looking for information regarding emigrants with the surname HEPP from Bavaria in 1881. I am hoping that I will uncover any HEPPS still in Bavaria and maybe be able to trace this branch of my family back farther yet. The HEPPs who immigrated (to NYC , then to Troy, NY) included my GG Grandfather/his wife & their 5 sons. More information below. The ship information provided to me by another researcher checks out with US records allowing for first name changes on the children. Adam Hepp,34,male,Germany Heinrich,11,male Johann,5,male arrived Sept 24, 1881 aboard SCHOLTEN, manifest 36243, sailed Rotterdam-USA Anna Hepp,33,female,Bavaria Carl,9,male Conrad,15,male Heinrich,8,male arrived Nov 12, 1881 aboard DONAU, manifest 36323, Bremen-USA In addition I I have a strong belief that my GGG Grandfather was also Adam Hepp (my GG Grandfather was referenced as a Jr. in some US records). As I am new this this list, I would appreciate any tips on how to get more HEPP information for my Bavarian Ancestors. Happy Holidays, Don Hepp Raleigh, NC

Dear Bavaria listers, I am new to this list and am looking for information regarding emigrants with the surname ROHN from Bavaria during the early 1800's. My great grandmother's name was Johanna Gerritdina ROHN, and family legend has it that the ROHN family originated in Bavaria and settled in Deventer, Overijssel. I was told that they were Lutheran. Unfortunately there is nobody left that I can ask. Wife: Johanna Gerritdina ROHN Born abt 1855 in Deventer, Overijssel, NL, died about 1925 in Deventer. Her occupation: Huisvrouw Husband: Hendrik Jan WAANDERS Born 1855 in Deventer, Overijssel, NL died abt 1902 His occupation: dagloner, behanger Children:1 Jan WAANDERS M Born: 12 May 1880 2 Hendrik Jan WAANDERS M Born: 11 Nov 1882 3 Sander Marinus WAANDERS M Born: 14 Dec1884 Deventer, Overijssel, Died there 20 Mar 1962, but lived most of his adult life in den Haag, South Holland 4 Hendrikje WAANDERS F Born: 27 Dec 1893 5 Hendrika WAANDERS F Born: 15 Aug 1895 Any clues or ideas will be appreciated Regards Gerda Pieterse Richards Bay South Africa

Thanks to all the responses I have received from this knowledgeable list of people on the above subject. I was trying to thank everyone personally, but the response was greater than expected. Merry Christmas to all and may your holiday be filled with love, joy, family & friends. Thank you again. Cathie owtlaw1@webtv.net

All I want for Christmas is to UNSUBSCRIBE to this list. The instructions given are gibberish to me. I keep trying and am told I am not listed but I still get email from them. The directions for click and send do not work either. There is no place to click and send. Please Santa Claus unsubscibe me or send me some simple easy instructions. >BAVARIA-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 453 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [BAVARIA] Help ["Ceal Wutka" <ceal@wutka.com>] > #2 [BAVARIA] FREY [Ginsgeno@aol.com] > #3 PLACE [owtlaw1@webtv.net] > #4 mercenaries ["Julie LaBomascus" <misschievous@i] > #5 Re: [BAVARIA] mercenaries ["harveyfam" <harveyfam@enter.net>] > >Administrivia: >Subscribers: >Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? >http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > >To unsubscribe from BAVARIA-D >This is a click and send message ready when you want to >unsubscribe >mailto: BAVARIA-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > >______________________________X-Message: #1 >Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:56:24 -0500 >From: "Ceal Wutka" <ceal@wutka.com> >To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <012a01bf4317$5e62b820$a37ab0d0@wutka.com> >Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] Help >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >For your research, you want to look for Cuyahoga County for Berea. This is a >part of greater Cleveland, Ohio > >Ceal >Atlanta > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Widener" <widener@galstar.com> >To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 1715 PM >Subject: [BAVARIA] Help > > >> Hi, just wanted to say that thru the Bavaria-LIST with Heinz Krumrey help, >> was able to locate the Franz Joseph Frei, Frey, Fry, Frye, of Neustadt >> Bavaria. Who was born in 1802, to the USA in 1847 to Berea, Cuyogha Co., >> Ohio. So when you think it won't happen, some kind person sees something >> and makes a connection. We all need to continue trying to help each >other. >> Mary Widener >> >> >> ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== >> Sister or Brother, >> Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html#personal >> > >______________________________X-Message: #2 >Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:54:58 EST >From: Ginsgeno@aol.com >To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <0.6a5aeadf.2582d0b2@aol.com> >Subject: [BAVARIA] FREY >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >In a message dated 12/10/1999 4:23:57 AM Central Standard Time, Widener" ><widener@galstar.com> writes: > ><< Hi, just wanted to say that thru the Bavaria-LIST with Heinz Krumrey help, > was able to locate the Franz Joseph Frei, Frey, Fry, Frye, of Neustadt > Bavaria. Who was born in 1802, to the USA in 1847 to Berea, Cuyogha Co., > Ohio. So when you think it won't happen, some kind person sees something > and makes a connection. We all need to continue trying to help each other. > Mary Widener >> > >I have a Brigetta Frey born 1805. Married Konrad Denz on Feb 18, 1828 in >Baden, Germany. Do you have any info that your Franz Joseph Frei, Frey, Fry, >Frye, of Neustadt, Bavaria had a sister? >Gin in Topeka, KS > >______________________________X-Message: #3 >Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:41:22 -0600 (CST) >From: owtlaw1@webtv.net >To: BAVARIA-D@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <22671-38519DB2-6885@storefull-621.iap.bryant.webtv.net> >Subject: PLACE >Content-Disposition: Inline >Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > >Happy Holidays >Has anyone ever heard of the following place ? zweibruecken-rheimish, >Bavaria, Germany ?? I can barely type it, so how would you pronounce it >and where was / is it ? Does this name still exist ? My cousin's >family supposedly comes from here. >Thank you in advance for any help on this one. Cathie >owtlaw1@webtv.net > >______________________________X-Message: #4 >Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:46:22 -0800 >From: "Julie LaBomascus" <misschievous@ivillage.com> >To: bavaria-D@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <IJNDNMIGLCAOIAAA@ivillage.com> >Subject: mercenaries >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Language: en >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >A distant cousin doing research on the YOUNGBECK/JUNGBECK line once told me he had information that my ggggrandfather, Sebastian JUNGBECK(old spelling) had been a mercenary before settling down to farming! >I'm not sure if he'd been a mercenary in Bavaria (where he was born), or in some other German province. >Is there a database for Mercenaries From Germany? > > >-- >Join the most exciting community of women on the web! >iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, >your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, >and dozens of problem-solving tools. >http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html > >______________________________X-Message: #5 >Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:21:59 -0500 >From: "harveyfam" <harveyfam@enter.net> >To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <00ea01bf437e$819aa840$a59810cf@default> >Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] mercenaries >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi, Yes I would like to know this too... My great grandfather was also a >mercenary before coming to the US. I have never been able to find anything >out about that.. He was born in Nuremberg.. Thanks Susan >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Julie LaBomascus" <misschievous@ivillage.com> >To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 8:46 PM >Subject: [BAVARIA] mercenaries > > >> A distant cousin doing research on the YOUNGBECK/JUNGBECK line once told >me he had information that my ggggrandfather, Sebastian JUNGBECK(old >spelling) had been a mercenary before settling down to farming! >> I'm not sure if he'd been a mercenary in Bavaria (where he was born), or >in some other German province. >> Is there a database for Mercenaries From Germany? >> >> >> -- >> Join the most exciting community of women on the web! >> iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, >> your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, >> and dozens of problem-solving tools. >> http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html >> >> >> ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== >> Sister or Brother, >> Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html#personal >> >> >

UNSUBSCRIBE At 02:18 AM 12/10/99 -0800, you wrote: >BAVARIA-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 452 > >Today's Topics: > #1 [BAVARIA] Help ["Widener" <widener@galstar.com>] > #2 [BAVARIA] German Ports [Kevin Murray <kevin_murray_1998@ya] > >Administrivia: >Subscribers: >Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? >http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > >To unsubscribe from BAVARIA-D >This is a click and send message ready when you want to >unsubscribe >mailto: BAVARIA-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > >______________________________X-Message: #1 >Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:15:42 -0600 >From: "Widener" <widener@galstar.com> >To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <007001bf4293$147c9d40$5e630dcf@widener> >Subject: [BAVARIA] Help >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi, just wanted to say that thru the Bavaria-LIST with Heinz Krumrey help, >was able to locate the Franz Joseph Frei, Frey, Fry, Frye, of Neustadt >Bavaria. Who was born in 1802, to the USA in 1847 to Berea, Cuyogha Co., >Ohio. So when you think it won't happen, some kind person sees something >and makes a connection. We all need to continue trying to help each other. >Mary Widener > >______________________________X-Message: #2 >Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:33:18 -0800 (PST) >From: Kevin Murray <kevin_murray_1998@yahoo.com> >To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <19991210043318.5072.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com> >Subject: [BAVARIA] German Ports >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Both my great grandfather and great grandmother came >to the states from small towns located at southern end >of Bavaria. I believe they came over between 1892 and >1896. Can anyone give me a good guess as to what port >in Germany they may have departed from given these >dates and the area they lived? > >Thanks >Kevin > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. >Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com >

Hi, Yes I would like to know this too... My great grandfather was also a mercenary before coming to the US. I have never been able to find anything out about that.. He was born in Nuremberg.. Thanks Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie LaBomascus" <misschievous@ivillage.com> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 8:46 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] mercenaries > A distant cousin doing research on the YOUNGBECK/JUNGBECK line once told me he had information that my ggggrandfather, Sebastian JUNGBECK(old spelling) had been a mercenary before settling down to farming! > I'm not sure if he'd been a mercenary in Bavaria (where he was born), or in some other German province. > Is there a database for Mercenaries From Germany? > > > -- > Join the most exciting community of women on the web! > iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, > your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, > and dozens of problem-solving tools. > http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Sister or Brother, > Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html#personal > >

A distant cousin doing research on the YOUNGBECK/JUNGBECK line once told me he had information that my ggggrandfather, Sebastian JUNGBECK(old spelling) had been a mercenary before settling down to farming! I'm not sure if he'd been a mercenary in Bavaria (where he was born), or in some other German province. Is there a database for Mercenaries From Germany? -- Join the most exciting community of women on the web! iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, and dozens of problem-solving tools. http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html

Happy Holidays Has anyone ever heard of the following place ? zweibruecken-rheimish, Bavaria, Germany ?? I can barely type it, so how would you pronounce it and where was / is it ? Does this name still exist ? My cousin's family supposedly comes from here. Thank you in advance for any help on this one. Cathie owtlaw1@webtv.net

In a message dated 12/10/99 21:23:04 Eastern Standard Time, BAVARIA-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > Happy Holidays > Has anyone ever heard of the following place ? zweibruecken-rheimish, > Bavaria, Germany ?? I can barely type it, so how would you pronounce it > and where was / is it ? Does this name still exist ? My cousin's > family supposedly comes from here. > Thank you in advance for any help on this one. Cathie > owtlaw1@webtv.net Hi Cathie Prefix: ZweibrUecken-Rheimish Zweibr�cken (Pfalz) GKZ : 07 3 20 000 County : | | +---- Zweibr�cken {ZW} (kreisfrei/independent) RegBez : | +------- Rheinhessen-Pfalz Land : +--------- Rheinland-Pfalz ZIP : 66482 Popul : 33496 Locat : 49d15m N 7d22m E Maps : TK25 6710 Zweibr�cken TK50 L6710 Pirmasens-Nord Euro Hc53 Zweibr�cken (b Wei�wasser) GKZ : 14 0 53 300 County : | +---- Wei�wasser {WSW} Land : +--------- Sachsen ZIP : 02956 Locat : (Wei�wasser) 51d29m N 14d39m E Maps : TK25 4553 Weisswasser S�d TK50 L4552 Wei�wasser Euro Pd40 Hope this helps George

--part1_0.14374f9b.258317ce_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/10/1999 8:49:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, misschievous@ivillage.com writes: << I'm not sure if he'd been a mercenary in Bavaria (where he was born), or in some other German province. Is there a database for Mercenaries From Germany? >> I too would be interested if there was such information. We have information that came down through the generations that our gg grandfather John Phillip Knoeller born: 1794 D: 1871-72 fought in the American war of 1812 went back to Germany sometime and than we pick him up here in the 1850 census living in Brooklyn, NY. The census shows that he and his wife had two 4 children at that time and 3 of the children were listed as being born in Germany one of the 4 was born here in New York in the year 1848. Dee from NJ --part1_0.14374f9b.258317ce_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <BAVARIA-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (rly-zd05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.229]) by air-zd05.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:49:04 1900 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (v66.4) with ESMTP; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:48:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20649; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:46:56 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:46:56 -0800 (PST) Old-To: bavaria-D@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:46:22 -0800 From: "Julie LaBomascus" <misschievous@ivillage.com> Message-ID: <IJNDNMIGLCAOIAAA@ivillage.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Sender-Ip: 156.46.198.169 Organization: iVillage Free Email (http://fe-mail.ivillage.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [BAVARIA] mercenaries Resent-Message-ID: <G_NdT.A.aCF.Q0aU4@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/3406 X-Loop: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: BAVARIA-L-request@rootsweb.com A distant cousin doing research on the YOUNGBECK/JUNGBECK line once told me he had information that my ggggrandfather, Sebastian JUNGBECK(old spelling) had been a mercenary before settling down to farming! I'm not sure if he'd been a mercenary in Bavaria (where he was born), or in some other German province. Is there a database for Mercenaries From Germany? -- Join the most exciting community of women on the web! iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, and dozens of problem-solving tools. http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Sister or Brother, Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html#personal --part1_0.14374f9b.258317ce_boundary--

In a message dated 12/10/1999 4:23:57 AM Central Standard Time, Widener" <widener@galstar.com> writes: << Hi, just wanted to say that thru the Bavaria-LIST with Heinz Krumrey help, was able to locate the Franz Joseph Frei, Frey, Fry, Frye, of Neustadt Bavaria. Who was born in 1802, to the USA in 1847 to Berea, Cuyogha Co., Ohio. So when you think it won't happen, some kind person sees something and makes a connection. We all need to continue trying to help each other. Mary Widener >> I have a Brigetta Frey born 1805. Married Konrad Denz on Feb 18, 1828 in Baden, Germany. Do you have any info that your Franz Joseph Frei, Frey, Fry, Frye, of Neustadt, Bavaria had a sister? Gin in Topeka, KS

For your research, you want to look for Cuyahoga County for Berea. This is a part of greater Cleveland, Ohio Ceal Atlanta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Widener" <widener@galstar.com> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 1715 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] Help > Hi, just wanted to say that thru the Bavaria-LIST with Heinz Krumrey help, > was able to locate the Franz Joseph Frei, Frey, Fry, Frye, of Neustadt > Bavaria. Who was born in 1802, to the USA in 1847 to Berea, Cuyogha Co., > Ohio. So when you think it won't happen, some kind person sees something > and makes a connection. We all need to continue trying to help each other. > Mary Widener > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Sister or Brother, > Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html#personal >

Both my great grandfather and great grandmother came to the states from small towns located at southern end of Bavaria. I believe they came over between 1892 and 1896. Can anyone give me a good guess as to what port in Germany they may have departed from given these dates and the area they lived? Thanks Kevin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

Hi, just wanted to say that thru the Bavaria-LIST with Heinz Krumrey help, was able to locate the Franz Joseph Frei, Frey, Fry, Frye, of Neustadt Bavaria. Who was born in 1802, to the USA in 1847 to Berea, Cuyogha Co., Ohio. So when you think it won't happen, some kind person sees something and makes a connection. We all need to continue trying to help each other. Mary Widener

People also start to forget the older they get and the farther they get from an event. I know how that is when it comes to remembering a year in which I did something. My gggrandparents said they came in 1874 and their daughter claimed 1873 (but she would only have been 2-3 years old) on a census close to that year. But much later, they said 1879. I also notice that they will say they were naturalized the same year they put for arriving in this country. I am pretty sure they must be thinking of their declaration, since I understand that you had to wait a couple of years after the declaration before you could sign naturalization papers. I also think the census taker often just filled in columns like the latter one for naturalization, and the one for how many children a woman had borne. I have a couple where the earlier census claimed more pregnancies than the next census. One had one child and one pregnancy and tere were three other live children! So I figure the mother didn't tell them one and one. These little things can make it hard sometimes to be sure we have the same person on a census, especially when they suddenly use their other name. Ceal Atlanta ----- Original Message ----- From: <Elangreen@aol.com> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 1845 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] Wurzbacher > The country of origin and date of immigration given in the census is not > necessarily correct. You don't know who in the household was giving the > information. If an ancestor arrived in America at a young age, he may not > remember accurately where he was born or when he arrived. Also, many of our > ancestors were illiterate. > > My greatgrandmother said she was from Hesse, Baden, and Bavaria in three > different census. Turns out she was from the Black Forest in Baden. > > Elenora Green > > > > > Elenora Green > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Sister or Brother, > Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html#personal >

Let all know that several maps had been added to http://www.rootsweb.com/~wggerman/ Follow link to Maps Several maps covers all affect Germany's borders are included, too. (France, Netherlands, Poland, Austria, Denmark & Sweden) W. David Samuelsen Germany GenWeb Coordinator

My great-grandfather and his family, Francis Joseph Frei, Frey, Fry, Frye came from Neustadt Bavaria. But the family story goes that it was near the Black Forest. Anyone know of a Neustadt (there are 6 or 7) that would fit that description? May be a way of narrowing it down. Thanks for any help!!!Mary Widener