Good Morning Listers, I'm forwarding this for a Kempf researcher who needs some help! Please read query.........thank-you and God less. <>< <>< JRKempf ---------------------- Forwarded Message: --------------------- From: JRK <fifthgenkempf@yahoo.com> To: jkfamsrch@worldnet.att.net Subject: Fwd: Re: KEMPF RESEARCH Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 03:51:40 -0800 (PST) --- kathys <kathys@redrivernet.com> wrote: > From: "kathys" <kathys@redrivernet.com> > To: "JRK" <fifthgenkempf@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: KEMPF RESEARCH > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 08:24:40 -0700 > > Terissa Wisrock, born 1837, Germany, married Franz > Kempf on April 18, 1854, IL. That is all the > information we have on Franz Kempf. Franz married > into our Wisrock/Weisrock/Weissrock line! > > Terissa Wisrock came over from Germany with her > parents. We found the family listed on a ship's > mainfest, called the, Nargansatt which left the port > of La Havre, France and arrived here in the states > on March 27, 1843. We found them again in Illinois > in several records. They then moved to Fort > Worth/Mansfield, Texas in 1878. They were Farmers. > > My cousin said, there were a bunch of Kempfs in the > state of Texas, and she didn't have any further > information on Franz Kempf either...unfortunately! > > Jeff, thanks again for the help. Katherine. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JRK <fifthgenkempf@yahoo.com> > To: kathys <kathys@redrivernet.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 7:57 AM > Subject: Re: KEMPF RESEARCH > > > > Katherine, > > No problem. Give me your basic info one more time. > I > > think I might have something! > > > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > <>< > > > > > > > > > > --- kathys <kathys@redrivernet.com> wrote: > > > Thanks for looking and all of the help you have > been > > > to me. I appreciate it. Best of luck. Katherine. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: JRK <fifthgenkempf@yahoo.com> > > > To: kathys <kathys@redrivernet.com> > > > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 5:28 PM > > > Subject: Re: KEMPF RESEARCH > > > > > > > > > > Katherine, > > > > Sorry, no luck with matching your folks with > my > > > Texas > > > > info. I don't have any data for Illinois > either. > > > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > --- kathys <kathys@redrivernet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: JRK <fifthgenkempf@yahoo.com> > > > > > To: <kathys@redrivernet.com> > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 4:17 AM > > > > > Subject: KEMPF RESEARCH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm researching my Kempfs too. My > > > gggrandfather > > > > > was > > > > > > named PHILIP KEMPF and my gggrandmother > was > > > named > > > > > > APALONIA ALBERT KEMPF. Both from Germany. > They > > > > > came to > > > > > > America in 1854 to Ohio. I have some info > > > about > > > > > KEMPFS > > > > > > in Texas. Did you want me to look thru it > for > > > you > > > > > and > > > > > > see if there are any matches with your > Kempfs? > > > > > Yes, we are looking for Franz Kempf who > married > > > > > Terrissa Wisrock. Terrissa Wisrock was born > in > > > 1834, > > > > > Germany(unknown town or village) She and > Franz > > > were > > > > > married on April 18, 1854 in Illinois, > > > Belleville, > > > > > St.Clair Co.Do you > > > > > > know what village in Germany your people > are > > > from? > > > > > Unfortunately, No! > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Kempf > > > > > > > > > > We think Franz Kempf was from Germany, > > > > > Alsace_LorrianeFrance/Germany depending who > > > > > controlled it back then as it changed hands > many > > > > > times. The Wisrock family came to America, > March > > > 27, > > > > > 1843 and we found a record of them on the > ship, > > > > > Naragansatt which left port out of La Havre, > > > France. > > > > > The next records we found they were in IL>> > Left > > > for > > > > > Fort Worth, TX in 1878. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Jeff for taking the time and looking > for > > > me. > > > > > Katherine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > ****FAMILIES ARE FOREVER***** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Family Historian of the > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > names;PIPER/ALBERT/KEMPF/WADDLE/MURRAY/JAO/HAAF/SCHMERR/ERLENBACH/HAMEL/NEWLAND/ BROWN/WAGNER/RUEBEL/SANTOS/DEMESA/PEDIGO/BUSH/JAOJOCO/SPATZ. > > > > > Hamilton County Ohio Genealogy Society > Member, > > > > > CH.A.D.D. Member. > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! > > > Messenger. > > > > > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > ****FAMILIES ARE FOREVER***** > > > > > > > > > > > > Family Historian of the > > > following > > > > > > names;PIPER/ALBERT/KEMPF/WADDLE/MURRAY/JAO/HAAF/SCHMERR/ERLENBACH/HAMEL/NEWLAND/ BROWN/WAGNER/RUEBEL/SANTOS/DEMESA/PEDIGO/BUSH/JAOJOCO/SPATZ. > > > Hamilton County Ohio Genealogy Society Member, > > > CH.A.D.D. Member. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! > Messenger. > > > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > ****FAMILIES ARE FOREVER***** > > > Family Historian of the > following > names;PIPER/ALBERT/KEMPF/WADDLE/MURRAY/JAO/HAAF/SCHMERR/ERLENBACH/HAMEL/NEWLAND/ BROWN/WAGNER/RUEBEL/SANTOS/DEMESA/PEDIGO/BUSH/JAOJOCO/SPATZ. > Hamilton County Ohio Genealogy Society Member, > CH.A.D.D. Member. > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com > ===== ****FAMILIES ARE FOREVER***** Family Historian of the following names;PIPER/ALBERT/KEMPF/WADDLE/MURRAY/JAO/HAAF/SCHMERR/ERLENBACH/HAMEL/NEWLAND/ BROWN/WAGNER/RUEBEL/SANTOS/DEMESA/PEDIGO/BUSH/JAOJOCO/SPATZ. Hamilton County Ohio Genealogy Society Member, CH.A.D.D. Member. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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I am trying to locate the town of Blattnitz (as it was spelled in the 1880's). My great-grandfather, Joseph Plutz, came from this area in the 1870's. I have a post-card showing the street the church is on and with the spelling as above. An Elizabeth Meindel wrote after World War II, and the letter is from Blattnik, Mies, Cechei. I have looked on the Jewish-Genweb site, but am still uncertain of the location of this town. There are several Blatnices and one Blattnicka. Could someone help me find the location? Thanks, so much

In a message dated 00-01-23 09:28:44 EST, BAVARIA-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << I am new to German Genealogy Reseaching on-line. Could anyone inform me of good web sites to research and use? >> Firstmom's Genealogy Resources and Records- Germany is one good site to start. Has over 95 links for German genealogy, plus ship lists etc. http://members.tripod.com/~KHuish/germany.htm Another is the Hessen World GenWeb page. It has links to all the state in Germany as well: http://users.rootsweb.com/~deuhes/Hessen/index.htm The best pages you'll find will probably be on World Genweb! Good luck Kathy

Hello! I am looking for any information about the HAUTSCH family. I am descended from Simon HAUTSCH, who was born in Bavaria, probably Bayreuth, somewhere between 1830-1850. He married Maria HERMSDORFER (HERMANNSDORFER?), they moved to USA about 1867. They had 4 children (George, Anna, Louisa, and Peter), and died in Allen Co., IN. Simon died 14 May 1892. Does anyone out there have HAUTSCH relatives? Thank you! Ann

Seeking contact with anyone researching the name OTT from Neukirch, Bavaria, Germany. I am told that George OTT was born in Neukirch, Bavaria, Germany on June 16, 1838. Where would I find his Birth Certificate? His father was Johann OTT born about 1813 and mother was Magdelena OTT born about ..I do not know her maiden name 1805. Their children: George born June 16, 1838, Benedict in 1836 and Joseph in 1843 were all born in Baveria; Anna OTT was born in New York in 1845, Margaret Ott was born in Wisconsin in 1849. All are buried at Calvary Cemetary, Bluemound Road, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Looking forward to any contacts, Susan Petta-Nokes snokes@tscnet.com

At 06:56 AM 01/21/2000 -0800, Susan Nokes wrote: >Is Boehm a common name in Bohemia? I have a Bohm (with two dots over the o), sometimes spelled Bohme. I haven't looked into it, but I think they were from the northern area of Germany. Here's what I have: Johann Christian Bohm (two dots over the o), "Grossbrittanischer und Braunschweig-Luneburger (two dots over the first u in Luneberger) Oberbaumeister". His daughter, Sophie Elisabeth, was born in Oldenburg 9 Jul 1714. She married a Wardenburg. In an 1809 patent of nobility, this family, von Bohm, is mentioned among B.D.G. Wardenburg's illustrious ancestors. Barbara Wardenburg Los Altos Hills, California

Hi Listers, Anyone know of a Franz & Terissa Wisrock Kempf that settled in Fort Worth/Mansfield, Texas area around mid 1850's? Germany>Illinois>Texas They were farmers. Their birthdates were in 1830's. Possible that someone may have access to 1880 or 1900 Fort Worth/Mansfield, Texas census? Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Jeff Kempf

I am new to German Genealogy Reseaching on-line. Could anyone inform me of good web sites to research and use? Thank you, Chris

I am looking for further family or information on the following: Thank you, Chris JOHANN GEORG KROENIGER b: 6/25/1836 in Warmensteinach, Germany. d: 8/24/1903. Married: ELISABETHA MARGARETHA RABENSTEIN b: 7/2/1847 in Warmensteinach, Germany. d: 7/5/1911. CHILDREN: 1. BABETTE KROENIGER married WOLFGANG MAENNER. Children: ANNA MAENNER b: 10/16/1904, KARL MAENNER, KATTHA MAENNER, CHRISTINE "TINA" MAENNER, WILHELM "WILLIE" MAENNER, LUDWIG MAENNER, JOHANN "HANS" MAENNER b: 8/14/1918. d: abt. 1946, ELSA MAENNER d: at 1 year 4 months of age. 2. KATHARINA KROENIGER married _________ HERZOG. Children: BETTY, WILHELM and LUDWIG. 3. EBERHART KROENIGER 4. MALE KROENIGER 5. MALE KROENIGER

I am looking for family or information on the following families. Thank you, Chris WOLFGANG MAENNER b: 10/08/1870s Schwarzhofen, Germany October 8 in the late 1870s. d: Bet. 1954 - 1960 in Nuernberg, Germany at age 81 - 82. Parents: IGNATZ MAENNER and KATARINA FREI. Married: BABETTE KROENIGER b: October 15, 1878 in Warmensteinach, Germany. d: 1939 in Nuernberg in the Summer of 1939 at age 62. Parents: JOHANN GEORG KROENIGER b: 6/25/1836 in Warmensteinach, Germany d: 8/24/1903 and ELISABETHA MARGARETHA RABENSTEIN b: 7/2/1847 in Warmensteinach, Germany d: 7/5/1911. Children of Wolgang and Babette 1. ANNA MAENNER b: 10/16/1904 Married: JOHANN BOESL b: 12/15/1905 in Nuernberg, Germany. d: 5/10/1960 in Peoria, Illinois, USA. Children: MARIANNE, CHRISTINE and ELSE 2. KARL MAENNER married SOPHIE. Children: WILHELM and MARIA. 3. KATTHA MAENNER Children: BETTY 4. CHRISTINE "TINA" MAENNER married LAWRENCE HUPPMAN. Children: LIESELOTTE. 5. WILHELM "WILLIE" MAENNER married KATHARINA. Children: HEINRICH and GERHARD. 6. LUDWIG MAENNER Married MARIA. Children: MARION. 7. JOHANN "HANS" MAENNER b: 8/14/1918. d: abt. 1946. 8. ELSA MAENNER d: at 1 year 4 months of age.

I am looking for further family or information on the following families. Thank you, Chris IGNATZ MAENNER b: 4/12/1844 in Schwarzhofen, Germany. d: 7/14/1923. Married: KATHARINA FREI b: 6/21//1862 in Alpendorf (?) Germany. d: 2/7/1918. Children: I: WOLFGANG MAENNER b: 10/08/1870s Schwarzhofen, Germany October 8 in the late 1870s. d: Bet. 1954 - 1960 in Nuernberg, Germany at age 81 - 82. Married: BABETTE KROENIGER b: October 15, 1878 in Warmensteinach, Germany. d: 1939 in Nuernberg in the Summer of 1939 at age 62. WOLFGANG MAENNER b: 10/08/1870s Schwarzhofen, Germany October 8 in the late 1870s. d: Bet. 1954 - 1960 in Nuernberg, Germany at age 81 - 82. Married: BABETTE KROENIGER b: October 15, 1878 in Warmensteinach, Germany. d: 1939 in Nuernberg in the Summer of 1939 at age 62 Children: 1. ANNA MAENNER b: 10/16/1904 Married: JOHANN BOESL b: 12/15/1905 in Nuernberg, Germany. d: 5/10/1960 in Peoria, Illinios, USA. 2. KARL MAENNER, 3. KATTHA MAENNER, 4. CHRISTINE "TINA" MAENNER, 5. WILHELM "WILLIE" MAENNER, 6. LUDWIG MAENNER, 7. JOHANN "HANS" MAENNER, 8. ELSA MAENNER, II: JOHANN MAENNER III: IGNATZ MAENNER IV: FRANCISCA "FANNA" MAENNER V: BERTHA MAENNER VI: KATHARINA MAENNER VII: ANNA MAENNER VIII: TERECE MAENNER

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Ceal Wutka <ceal@wutka.com> An: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Datum: Samstag, 22. Januar 2000 19:46 Betreff: [BAVARIA] Confusing cities >I found my gggrandmother in the IGI and her place of birth is >Oberlauterbach, Oberb, Bayern. I sent an email to the geo server and in the >reponse were these two towns: > >Oberlauterbach >Part of: Wolnzach >GKZ : 09 1 86 162 >County : | | +---- Pfaffenhofen an der Ilm {PAF} >RegBez : | +------- Oberbayern >Land : +--------- Bayern >ZIP : 85283 >Popul : 232 >Locat : (Wolnzach) 48d36m N 11d38m E >Maps : TK25 7435 Pfaffenhofen > TK50 L7534 Pfaffenhofen an der Ilm > Euro Md57 > > >Oberlauterbach (Kr Schrobenhausen) >Part of: Aresing >GKZ : 09 1 85 113 >County : | | +---- Neuburg a d Donau {ND} >RegBez : | +------- Oberbayern >Land : +--------- Bayern >ZIP : 86561 >Popul : 230 >Locat : (Aresing) 48d32m N 11d18m E >Maps : TK25 7433 Schrobenhausen > TK50 L7532 Schrobenhausen > Euro Mb57 > >How do I determine which of these is the town I want? Basically, you have to search for your ancestors in both places. But, I would check, whether the family name you are searching for, still exists in one of those places and then start there. Except if it is a very common name. >I am confused by these >results. When I did a search on Mapquest, I had five results for this town >name of Oberlauterbach, all of them ssw of Berlin by different mileage >amounts. Surely there were not 5 towns named the same within a small area? Small is relative. Paricularely when you look at it from thousands of miles away. Regards Georg Paulus, Bavaria

I would like to get in contact with persons who have the name ROSENHAUER in their tree. I am working with some persons on a big Rosenhauer-search. Please contact me. Tanja (from Germany) __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Yahoo! Auktionen - gleich ausprobieren - http://auktionen.yahoo.de

I found my gggrandmother in the IGI and her place of birth is Oberlauterbach, Oberb, Bayern. I sent an email to the geo server and in the reponse were these two towns: Oberlauterbach Part of: Wolnzach GKZ : 09 1 86 162 County : | | +---- Pfaffenhofen an der Ilm {PAF} RegBez : | +------- Oberbayern Land : +--------- Bayern ZIP : 85283 Popul : 232 Locat : (Wolnzach) 48d36m N 11d38m E Maps : TK25 7435 Pfaffenhofen TK50 L7534 Pfaffenhofen an der Ilm Euro Md57 Oberlauterbach (Kr Schrobenhausen) Part of: Aresing GKZ : 09 1 85 113 County : | | +---- Neuburg a d Donau {ND} RegBez : | +------- Oberbayern Land : +--------- Bayern ZIP : 86561 Popul : 230 Locat : (Aresing) 48d32m N 11d18m E Maps : TK25 7433 Schrobenhausen TK50 L7532 Schrobenhausen Euro Mb57 How do I determine which of these is the town I want? I am confused by these results. When I did a search on Mapquest, I had five results for this town name of Oberlauterbach, all of them ssw of Berlin by different mileage amounts. Surely there were not 5 towns named the same within a small area? Ceal Atlanta

This is my first mailing to the Bavaria-L mail list. I am searching for information on the following family. I hope there is someone out there who can help me locate further family or information! THANK YOU, Chris Simon Boesl B: unknown, in Oberpfalz area, Bayern, Germany D: 1926 in Nuernberg, Germany. Married: Anna Delling or Dellinger B: about 1879 in Oberpfalz area, Bayern, Germany. D: 5/28/1927 in Nuernberg, Germany. CHILDREN: Johann Boesl B: 12/15/1905 in Nuernberg, Germany D: 5/10/1960 in Peoria, Illinois, USA. Married: Anna Maenner on 1/8/1927, B: 10/16/1904 D: Living. Children: Marianne, Christine and Else. Alfred Boesl B: unknown. D: died at about 38 years of age. He had one daughter and one son. Adolf Boesl B: unknown. D: died at age 19. He was unmarried. Ludwig Boesl B: unknown D: died at age 27. He was unmarried. Anna Boesl B: unknown. D: unknown. Else Boesl B: unknown D: unknown Married Ludwig Wilhelm. Children Erich.

Hi Tanja..... I spoke to Bruce, who is the author of FO, awhile back. I had two people in Germany that I wanted to send the program to. He said that it was not available in the German language at this time. They tried to do it in German once but it involved too many problems. I ended up sending English versions. I suggest you go on the List for FO <familyorigins@rootsweb.com> and ask there how to get a copy sent over. It is a great program and it does everything that I have needed...enjoy! Priscilla

I am in search of my relatives by the name of Gunselman who are from Altendorf,Bavaria. If anyone there knows of a Gunselman Family would you please let me know. Dolline, offroad5@aol.com

Has anyone informations about the Family Origins Programm in Germany? The numbers I have found on the Parsons-side for Germany are invalid... International -> Germany> Tech Support : (089) 790 97-42 (9am to 1pm) Product Registration : (0130)- 11 09 88 (toll free) Sales Support : (089) 790 97-32> Fax: (089) 790 02 58 If I try to buy the downlode program in english there (Parsons-side) I get invalid informations as well. Thank you Tanja __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Yahoo! Auktionen - gleich ausprobieren - http://auktionen.yahoo.de

Hope to find help to identify the SICKMILLER´s listed below Name Born Married Died Spouse Christopher Sickmiller ? Oct. 10, 1893 / Henry Co, Ohio ? Anna Bowers Daniel Sickmiller ? ? ? ? Earl Sickmiller ? ? ? ? Harry Sickmiller ? ? ? Clytis Eisaman Philipp Wallace Sickmiller ? ? ? Barbara Ann Nickelson Robert Paul Sickmiller ? ? ? ? Gottfried Sickmille ? ? ? Marg. Zellmann Philipp Sickmiller Jun 7, 1910 ? Mar. 3, 1995 ? Richard Sickmiller Oct. 10, 1922 ? Feb. 1984 ? Thomas Sickmiller Jul. 4, 1946 ? Feb. 1979 ? Lloyd Sickmiller Oct. 1, 1957 ? Jul. 14, 1996 ? Adam L. Sickmiller ? ? ? ? Arnold Sickmiller ? ? ? Amelia May Gasche Heinrich Sickmiller 1818 / Prussia ? ? ? Adam John Sickmiller Oct. 12, 1860 ? ? ? Henry Sickmiller Mar. 29, 1878 ? Jun. 1981 ? Harry W. Sickmiller Mar. 1, 1878 ? Jun. 1975 ? Harry J. Sickmiller Dec. 24, 1901 ? ? ? Donald Sickmiller Feb. 13, 1903 ? May 25, 1982 ? The second name coul show up in other spellings, like: SICKMULLER, SICKMUELLER, SICKMÜLLER The hunting is open! Peter Sickmüller ---------- Von: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-D-request@rootsweb.com [SMTP:BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-D-request@rootsweb.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 22. Januar 2000 06:18 An: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-D@rootsweb.com Betreff: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-D Digest V00 #37 <<Message: %s>><<Message: [B-W] Company?>><<Message: Re: [B-W] VENATOR>><<Message: Re: [B-W] Company?>><<Message: Re: [B-W] Baden-Wuerttemberg? Or Baden? Or Wuerttemberg? etc.>><<Message: [B-W] Zeigler/etal>><<Message: [B-W] PALM family>><<Message: [B-W] Glas and Gartner>><<Message: Re: [B-W] Le Havre France port>><<Message: [B-W] finding Regensburg>>

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Peter Sickmüller [SMTP:06254493-0001@t-online.de] Gesendet am: Samstag, 22. Januar 2000 12:14 An: 'tucketc@telenet.net' Betreff: Gramlich Hi Maryanne, found your search request dated Jul 8, 1997 in the rootsweb. I'm currently searching on GRAMLICH too, as one of the female line of my SICKMÜLLER family. My target is to uncover the way of my ancestor Johann Karl Sickmüller from the Grabfeld territory ( North-East of Bamberg / Bavaria) to the Heidelberg area and as you can see below, he married ANNA BARBARA GRAMLICH. Also his brothers HANS MICHEL SICKMÜLLER and HANS SEBASTIAN SICKMÜLLER had godparents named GRAMLICH with the same first name! Hope you are searching somewhere near and can shuffle a bit of light into the darkness. Peter Sickmüller >From Lautertal / Odenwald, Germany Im searching on the GRAMLICH family from Angelloch (today: Gauangeloch near Heidelberg) Huaband: HANSS MICHEL GRAMLICH Born: unknown Died: unknown Married Dec. 5. 1682 at Angelloch, Palatinat, HRRDN Wife: MAGDALENA LEMLER Born: unknown at Herrisau, Appenzell, Schweiz Died: Bef. 1690? Children: ANNA BARBARA GRAMLICH Born: May 1. 1684 at Angelloch, Palatinat, HRRDN Died: Angelloch, Palatinat, HRRDN Married: ? Spouse: ? HANS SEBASTIAN GRAMLICH Born: Apr. 26. 1686 at Angelloch, Palatinat, HRRDN Died: ? Married: ? Spouse. ? ANNA BARBARA GRAMLICH Born: Apr. 26. 1688 at Angelloch, Palatinat, HRRDN Died: Abt. 1762 at ? Married: ? Spouses: Peter Baumgärtner, Johann Karl Sickmüller The Gramlich family coud origin from the area Lauda / Königshofen / Hausen / Marstadt / Osterburken. All towns west of Würzburg / Germany