Hi List Members! I am new to the list and to genealogy in general. Two of my family lines are from Bavaria: SPOHRER and MEYERS. Immigration information I obtained recently from "Germans to America" lists these ancestors as: Anton Spohrer, 26, M, Farmer, Bavaria, "000" for village "unknown" Catharina (MEYERS) Spohrer, 27, F, Farmer, Bavaria, village "unknown" Dorothea Spohrer, 29, F, Farmer, Bavaria, village "unknown". (Anton's sister?) All three departed from Havre on board the ship "Empire" and arrived in port of New York, November 19, 1853. (They settled in Pittsburgh, Pa.) I would appreciate any and all suggestions on how to locate the name(s) of the villages. Also, I noticed that a high percentage of the passengers (list runs @5 pages) on board this ship were farmers --- does anyone know what led to all of these farmers leaving Germany (or is this a fairly common distribution of ship passengers)? All suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Cindy Kanny

I had a look in my dictionary and found the following old length measures: Fuß : 28-32 cm (differs from region to region) Hand: 25.4 cm (very old) Spanne: 22-28 cm (differs from region to region again) They were all used to describe the height of a person, so your relative was either very tall, 196 cm / 6 ft 2 inches or very small 149.26cm / ca 5 ft or 148 cm / 4ft 9 inches Does that help ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Sarah Williams <cat6_11@pe.net> To: <BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 12:57 AM Subject: [BAVARIA] Puzzling word > Fuss (Fuß) is the word for foot used now. Sesusn could have been a > variation or someone could have misinterpreted a cursive f for a s. > (english f's used to look like s, during colonial times. I dont know > what lines are in measurement. > > > >Subject: > [BAVARIA] Puzzling word > Date: > Mon, 28 Feb 2000 18:06:07 EST > From: > LTBoehmke@aol.com > To: > BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > The record pages of my ggrandfathers Bavarian military service from 1845 > to > 1848 gives his physical description as 5 Sesusn, 8 Zolln, 3 Linian. > I can guess that it means 5 feet, 8 inches, 3?. > But neither of my dictionaries has a word like Sesusn, or Sasusr, or > Sisuse. > Is that an old word? Does it mean "feet"? > And what are 3 lines? > Regards, > LaVerne > ltboehmke@aol.com > researching B.O.E.H.M.K.E. H.E.M.M.A.N.N. H.E.I.N.E.M.A.N.N. > J.A.E.H.N.I.K.E. L.A.N.D.L. L.I.N.H.A.R.D.T. > P.I.E.T.S.C.H.M.A.N.N. > R.O.E.H.L. S.E.H.L.E.R. S.I.E.V.E.R.S. T.E.L.L.E. < > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Sister or Brother, > Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html#personal > >

On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, LTBoehmke@aol.com wrote: > The record pages of my ggrandfathers Bavarian military service from > 1845 to 1848 gives his physical description as 5 Sesusn, 8 Zolln, 3 > Linian. I can guess that it means 5 feet, 8 inches, 3?. But neither of my > dictionaries has a word like Sesusn, or Sasusr, or Sisuse. Is that an > old word? Does it mean "feet"? And what are 3 lines? The word is 'F"usse[n]' = foot[feet]. The Bavarian foot of the 1840's comprised 10 Zoll, each Zoll consisting of 12 Linien. The Bavarian foot was equivalent to 0.291859 meters. Your ancestor was therefore 1.7 meters, or 5 feet 7 inches tall. Michael Palmer --- Michael Palmer Claremont, California mpalmer@netcom.com

Listers, Where would I write to accesss RC records of Rheine, Westfalen, Preussen in 1690? Present-day Bavaria? Also trying to find a Sankt Albrecht, Westpruessen in 1829. E-mail Carole at: cdfemma@msn.com. Thank you for any help. Carole in VA

Hi, Does anyone know, or know of an Elmer Hammerschmidt in Utah? He does not have e-mail but has researched the LILLIG/ LILLICH surname. I wrote to the address I had and the letter came back as undeliverable/unable to forward. If anyone knows of this gentleman I would appreciate knowing. I can ONLY be e-mailed at alxnme@hotmail.com. If you try here, you'll get bounced. Sorry :( I am researching the LILLIG surname and have had literally zero "luck". Thanks for your help. Alx

Greetings.... I wonder if someone could tell me what region Bremen is located in and also Berlin in the 1880's. Thank you for your help. Sincerely Claire

Fuss (Fuß) is the word for foot used now. Sesusn could have been a variation or someone could have misinterpreted a cursive f for a s. (english f's used to look like s, during colonial times. I dont know what lines are in measurement. >Subject: [BAVARIA] Puzzling word Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 18:06:07 EST From: LTBoehmke@aol.com To: BAVARIA-L@rootsweb.com The record pages of my ggrandfathers Bavarian military service from 1845 to 1848 gives his physical description as 5 Sesusn, 8 Zolln, 3 Linian. I can guess that it means 5 feet, 8 inches, 3?. But neither of my dictionaries has a word like Sesusn, or Sasusr, or Sisuse. Is that an old word? Does it mean "feet"? And what are 3 lines? Regards, LaVerne ltboehmke@aol.com researching B.O.E.H.M.K.E. H.E.M.M.A.N.N. H.E.I.N.E.M.A.N.N. J.A.E.H.N.I.K.E. L.A.N.D.L. L.I.N.H.A.R.D.T. P.I.E.T.S.C.H.M.A.N.N. R.O.E.H.L. S.E.H.L.E.R. S.I.E.V.E.R.S. T.E.L.L.E. <

I am searching for church records for the village of Erlenbach. A place search at www.familysearch.org returns the following two results: Germany, Bayern, Erlenbach, (BA Germersheim) and Germany, Bayern, Erlenbach, (BA Kaiserlautem) Can anyone tell me the meaning of the terms inside the parentheses? Do Germersheim and Kaiserlautem identify different geographical jurisdictions, each of which include a village named Erlenbach? Or do they mean something else? Thanks very much for any comments on this subject. Dick

The record pages of my ggrandfathers Bavarian military service from 1845 to 1848 gives his physical description as 5 Sesusn, 8 Zolln, 3 Linian. I can guess that it means 5 feet, 8 inches, 3?. But neither of my dictionaries has a word like Sesusn, or Sasusr, or Sisuse. Is that an old word? Does it mean "feet"? And what are 3 lines? Regards, LaVerne ltboehmke@aol.com researching B.O.E.H.M.K.E. H.E.M.M.A.N.N. H.E.I.N.E.M.A.N.N. J.A.E.H.N.I.K.E. L.A.N.D.L. L.I.N.H.A.R.D.T. P.I.E.T.S.C.H.M.A.N.N. R.O.E.H.L. S.E.H.L.E.R. S.I.E.V.E.R.S. T.E.L.L.E. Z.A.C.H.A.R.I.A.E.

My ggg grandparents from Bavaria attended the Reformed church in or around Nurnberg, Germany. I just recently found this out as I always thought they were part of the Lutheran Church. Does anyone know how to contact the church archives which would have records from the early 1800s on the Reformed Church for Nurnberg? Many thanks in advance, Judy in No. Carolina

Hi List Members; I am researching Antonia DEUBLER, daughter of Augustin DEUBLER in Wettenhausen. Information I have so far says only born in the year 1816 there. Where would the Catholic records be for this town in Landkreis Gunzburg, Swaben? I would like to have the address so I can write them? Also the address of the Stadtarchiv that might contain records on her family. Phyllis Dearborn in Wisconsin, USA

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You will find Catholic Church records from Hirschau in "Bischöfliches Zentralarchiv Regensburg, Petersweg 11-13, 93047 Regensburg". Hirschau belongs to the Oberpfalz (Upper Palatina) and is between Amberg and Weiden. Best regards Helga Weigl

Will the kind lady that sent me the note about the German newspaper obits please send the info to Jeff at: fifthgenkempf@yahoo.com I accidentally deleted your message as I was forwarding it to him. Thanks Apologies to the List Gloria

Could someone succinctly describe the borders of Bavaria? It would greatly be appreciated! Martha Stead

I have been told that my ggrandfather Matthew came from Germany (some said Bavaria, others Black Forest Area) with my ggrandmother Mary Josepha Thoma. They came to America via Switzerland in 1868. the gggrandparents Karrl & Katerina stayed behind. I would like to be able to find some info on them and their other children. Frank, Matthews brother came over with him at that time also. Matthew and Mary had 13 children: John (born in Germany), Wilhemina (Mina),Herman, Marie, Matthais, Katerina (Katy), Frank, George I,Mary Margaret,Anthony,Joe (Joseph), Matthew & Albert. Would appreciate any help you could give me!! Thank You: Maudean tigersmom@jps.net

I am researching STEINKIRCHNER [ may be other spellings] and KROEGER- KROGER, FRY, BOLES, LANG, SCHMIDT-SCHMITT families that went to PA. Some in Allegheny Co. Pittsburgh, PA by 1850-1860. I know for sure my Andrew or Anthony STEINKIRCHNER was from Bavaria.. from church records in Allegheny Co. PA 1850-60. Don't know who his parents/sisters/brothers/ etc. were.. .please anyone working on this family or should someone come across this name in Germany records.. send my way... would really appreciate the help. Thankyou and God Bless Patty [from PA ]

In what time period? Marvin J. Bohrer Researching BOHRER'S anywhere How can one know where one is going, if one does not know where one has been!

Hello, My ggrandparents John and Margaretta Mader and my grandmother Katharina Mader were from Hirschau, Bavaria. They later moved to Nurnberg. Can anyone tell me anything about Hirschau and where I might find Catholic Church records from Hirschau. Thank you, Jean Korkisch

1. JOHANN NIKOLAUS2 LAUMEISTER (JOSEF1) was born 12 June 1784 in Monchberg, Bavaria. He married ELISABETH GIEGERICH 10 July 1817. She was born 15 July 1788 in Momlingen, Bavaria. Occupation: Miller Child of JOHANN LAUMEISTER and ELISABETH GIEGERICH is: 2. i. STEFAN3 LAUMEISTER, b. 06 April 1820, Momlingen, Bavaria; d. 20 September 1869, Momlingen, Bavaria. Generation No. 2 2. STEFAN3 LAUMEISTER (JOHANN NIKOLAUS2, JOSEF1) was born 06 April 1820 in Momlingen, Bavaria, and died 20 September 1869 in Momlingen, Bavaria. He married ANNA MARIA REISSMANN 26 April 1846 in Momlingen, Bavaria, daughter of KASPAR REISSMANN and EVA LIEB. She was born 12 October 1823 in Momlingen, Bavaria, and died 16 February 1890 in Momlingen, Bavaria. Children of STEFAN LAUMEISTER and ANNA REISSMANN are: 3. i. MARIA4 LAUMEISTER, b. 01 February 1847, Momlingen, Bavaria; d. 19 July 1924, Grossostheim, Germany. ii. FRANZ ROCHUS LAUMEISTER, b. 16 August 1848, Momlingen, Bavaria; d. 12 March 1915, San Francisco, San Francisco, CA. iii. ADAM LAUMEISTER, b. 13 July 1850, Momlingen, Bavaria. 4. iv. EVA LAUMEISTER, b. 05 April 1853, Momlingen, Bavaria; d. 31 May 1928. 5. v. FRANZ JOSEF LAUMEISTER, b. 03 September 1855, Momlingen, Bavaria; d. 02 July 1900. vi. MARIA ANNA TERESIA LAUMEISTER, b. 21 November 1857, Momlingen, Bavaria; m. ALBRECHT BECKER. 6. vii. JOHANN JOSEPH LAUMEISTER, b. 17 July 1860, Momlingen, Bavaria; d. 23 December 1932, St. Joseph's Hospital, San Francisco, CA. viii. ADAM ANTON LAUMEISTER, b. 24 May 1863, Momlingen, Bavaria; d. 31 December 1881. 7. ix. JOSEPHA LAUMEISTER, b. 28 April 1866, Momlingen, Bavaria. Generation No. 3 3. MARIA4 LAUMEISTER (STEFAN3, JOHANN NIKOLAUS2, JOSEF1) was born 01 February 1847 in Momlingen, Bavaria, and died 19 July 1924 in Grossostheim, Germany. She married GABRIEL CHRISTIAN HOCK 07 January 1873 in Grossostheim, Germany, son of CHRISTIAN HOCK and MARIA HOFLING. He was born 24 August 1843 in Grossostheim, Germany, and died 26 January 1905 in Grossostheim, Germany. Occupation: Ranger Children of MARIA LAUMEISTER and GABRIEL HOCK are: i. ELISABETH5 HOCK, b. 07 June. ii. ADAM ALOIS HOCK, b. 16 October. iii. JOSEPH HOCK, b. 23 September 1873, Aschaffenburg, Bavaria, Germany; d. 13 September 1949, Munich, Bavaria, Germany; m. MARIA; b. 30 November 1886; d. 27 March 1962. Occupation: Policeman iv. ANNA MARIE HOCK, b. 13 December 1877. v. JOHANN GABRIEL HOCK, b. 29 December 1879. vi. GABRIEL ALEXANDER HOCK, b. 18 March 1882, Grossostheim, Bavaria, Germany. 4. EVA4 LAUMEISTER (STEFAN3, JOHANN NIKOLAUS2, JOSEF1) was born 05 April 1853 in Momlingen, Bavaria, and died 31 May 1928. She married ALEXANDER SCHADT 08 August 1876. He was born 20 February 1849, and died 20 November 1931. Children of EVA LAUMEISTER and ALEXANDER SCHADT are: i. ANNA5 SCHADT, b. 15 June 1877; m. ALEX SPECHT. ii. KATHERINE JOSEPHA SCHADT, b. 18 June 1879; m. JOSEF. iii. JAKOB SCHADT, b. 22 June 1881; m. MARGARITE. 8. iv. MARIA SCHADT, b. 07 December 1884. v. BARBARA SCHADT, b. 21 November 1886. 5. FRANZ JOSEF4 LAUMEISTER (STEFAN3, JOHANN NIKOLAUS2, JOSEF1) was born 03 September 1855 in Momlingen, Bavaria, and died 02 July 1900. He married BARBARA JOHANNA SCHUCK 23 November 1879. She was born 02 October 1850 in Kleinwallftadt, Germany, and died 17 June 1936 in Momlingen, Bavaria. Children of FRANZ LAUMEISTER and BARBARA SCHUCK are: i. GERMANUS5 LAUMEISTER, b. 29 July 1881; m. KLARA RISSEL, 06 March 1902. 9. ii. AUGUSTUS LAUMEISTER, b. 27 July 1882. 10. iii. JOHANN LAUMEISTER, b. 1884, Momlingen, Bavaria, Germany; d. 24 August 1951, Momlingen, Bavaria, Germany. iv. GEORGE JOSEF LAUMEISTER, b. 21 January 1886. v. ALEXANDER JOSEF LAUMEISTER, b. 08 August 1887. 6. JOHANN JOSEPH4 LAUMEISTER (STEFAN3, JOHANN NIKOLAUS2, JOSEF1) was born 17 July 1860 in Momlingen, Bavaria, and died 23 December 1932 in St. Joseph's Hospital, San Francisco, CA. He married ELISABETHA M. WILLRICH 10 November 1885 in Chicago, Cook, IL, daughter of KARL WILLRICH and KAROLINA MOHR. She was born 27 November 1857 in Nussbach, Kanton Lautereitent, Baveria, and died 10 February 1924 in 517 Andover St., San Francisco, CA. Children of JOHANN LAUMEISTER and ELISABETHA WILLRICH are: 11. i. ANNA MARIA CAROLINE BERTHA5 LAUMEISTER, b. 19 June 1892, San Francisco, San Francisco, CA; d. 15 January 1965, Concord, Contra Costa, CA. ii. CHARLES FRANCIS LAUMEISTER, b. 19 September 1894, San Francisco, San Francisco, CA; d. 13 June 1958, Los Angeles, Los Angeles, CA. iii. PALETTA LAUMEISTER, b. 23 July 1900, San Francisco, San Francisco, CA; d. 23 July 1900, San Francisco, San Francisco, CA. 7. JOSEPHA4 LAUMEISTER (STEFAN3, JOHANN NIKOLAUS2, JOSEF1) was born 28 April 1866 in Momlingen, Bavaria. Child of JOSEPHA LAUMEISTER is: i. MARIA THERISA5 LAUMEISTER, b. 03 April 1885.