Kathy, In 1825, the ruling line of Saxe-Gotha died out. In early 1826, the tiny Saxon duchies in the Thuringian hills at the heart of Europe were re-arranged. Among them emerged Saxe-Coburg-Gotha which was later associated with the British royal family. This tiny state existed on the northern border of Bavaria, between Bavaria and Saxe-Meiningen. It lay east of Frankfurt and north of Nuremberg. To my knowledge, the British-ruled Kingdom of Hannover never extended south of a point east of Kassel, about 60 miles north of Coburg. From http://www.eurohistory.com/ernst.html : The duchy of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha was formed by the joining of two separate, neighboring, principalities, [Saxe and Gotha]. The principality of Coburg had previously been inherited by members of the Saxe-Altenburg family in the XVIIth century. The principality of Gotha came under the family's control after the death of the last reigning duke [in 1825]. His only daughter, Prince Louise of Saxe-Gotha, was the wife of Duke Ernst I of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld. In exchange for Gotha, a much more desirable principality, Duke Ernst gave away the duchy of Saalfeld. From that date on, the family was known by the name of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. Norm ----- Original Message ----- From: Kay Wilson To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 11:28 PM Subject: RE: [BAVARIA] Saxe-Coburg and/or Hanover I am trying to understand whether Saxe-Coburg and Hannover could have referred to the same place. I have studied numerous historical maps and have not found any proof that this could be the case, but it is often difficult to compare maps that are of different scales and do not show the same landmarks. Below is the documentation I have found regarding the origins of my LANGE/LONG family. Based on this information , is it likely this family came from the Coburg area? 1844 Passenger & Immigration Lists: - Port of Departure: Bremen - Country of Origin: Deutschland 1847 Church records: - Heinrich LANGE of Hannover, born 1803 - Christina nee BRUNS of Hannover - Married in Germany 1829 1850 US Census: - Henry Long (son) Birthplace: Germany 1860 US Census: - Henry Long (son) Birthplace: Saxe Coburg 1870 US Census: - Henry Long (son) Birthplace: Germany 1880 US Census: - Henry Long (son) Birthplace: Hanover - Father's birthplace: Hanover - Mother's birthplace: Hanover 1900 US Census: - Birthplace: Germany - Father's birthplace: Germany - Mother's birthplace: Germany Kay [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Michael Rauck [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 5:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [BAVARIA] Saxe-Coburg Kay, I would say yes, but I'd recommend you to make also use of the know how of the Thuringen list members of [email protected] (mostly Enlish) [email protected] (mostly German) Michael -----Original Message----- From: Kay Wilson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 10:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BAVARIA] Saxe-Coburg Is this the correct list for discussing Saxe-Coburg? Kay [email protected] ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Sister or Brother, Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html#personal ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html to unsubscribe

I am trying to understand whether Saxe-Coburg and Hannover could have referred to the same place. I have studied numerous historical maps and have not found any proof that this could be the case, but it is often difficult to compare maps that are of different scales and do not show the same landmarks. Below is the documentation I have found regarding the origins of my LANGE/LONG family. Based on this information , is it likely this family came from the Coburg area? 1844 Passenger & Immigration Lists: - Port of Departure: Bremen - Country of Origin: Deutschland 1847 Church records: - Heinrich LANGE of Hannover, born 1803 - Christina nee BRUNS of Hannover - Married in Germany 1829 1850 US Census: - Henry Long (son) Birthplace: Germany 1860 US Census: - Henry Long (son) Birthplace: Saxe Coburg 1870 US Census: - Henry Long (son) Birthplace: Germany 1880 US Census: - Henry Long (son) Birthplace: Hanover - Father's birthplace: Hanover - Mother's birthplace: Hanover 1900 US Census: - Birthplace: Germany - Father's birthplace: Germany - Mother's birthplace: Germany Kay [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Michael Rauck [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 5:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [BAVARIA] Saxe-Coburg Kay, I would say yes, but I'd recommend you to make also use of the know how of the Thuringen list members of [email protected] (mostly Enlish) [email protected] (mostly German) Michael -----Original Message----- From: Kay Wilson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 10:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BAVARIA] Saxe-Coburg Is this the correct list for discussing Saxe-Coburg? Kay [email protected] ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Sister or Brother, Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html#personal

In a message dated 2/9/2003 4:07:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > > Have you checked the LDS info? Spent last Thursday there and checked the Family Book for St. Alexander Church and located the information I send to the list. I was wondering if there were anyother Finkel's on the list connected to my family. Ann

Yes

Is there anyone on the list related to Jacob Finkel born in Einharz, Bavaria on December 24, 1829. His wife was Theresia Holderied born in Rauhenzell, Bavaria on September 29, 1834. They had 12 children, 10 survived, one of which is my grandfather, Joseph Finkel who was born on December 3, 1862 in Niedersonthofen. Ann [email protected]

I am researching an individual that I can find no trace of except in the 1890 St Louis City directory, his name Victor Hugo Helbig, my question, would there be any deviation of the given names?

Have you checked the LDS info? Stormy

I know of people who spell the last name another way. Have you looked at the LDS site??????The US 1890 census is the one that burned so no help in that direction.I would go look at the Mormons ,they will have a surprising amount of info, maybe the best in the world.' Stormy

Hi! the only difference kould be the name Victor it may be spelled with a "K" (VIKTOR ) there is no veriation as far as I know. Greetings, AL

Is this the correct list for discussing Saxe-Coburg? Kay [email protected]

In a message dated 2/6/03 1:36:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > http://bavariafaqs.homestead.com/index.html > Thanks, Norm, for your reply and pointing me to the Bavarian FAQs pages. They were a huge help. Now just cross your fingers for me that I can find something that will point to his actual town from here in the US. Dawn-Moree

I assume you are talking of this resource: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?dis play=titledetails&titleno=1029014&disp=Germans_to_America,_series_II&columns =*,180,0 (I just happened to be studying this when your email arrived, and thought this URL might be helpful to someone.) Kay [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 2:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BAVARIA] Re: BAVARIA-D Digest V03 #22 You should try Germans to America since you have a date. ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Sister or Brother, Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html#personal

You should try Germans to America since you have a date.

Janet, For professional genealogists, see: http://bavariafaqs.homestead.com/BavariaProfessionalResearchers.html Michael -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 1:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [BAVARIA] HERTZER and SAPPER These relatives are listed as coming from "Bayern", and an old census says they were from Munich. Does anyone know about Munich genealogy groups or even professional genealogists? I have not found much on the net. Thanks, Janet in Texas

These relatives are listed as coming from "Bayern", and an old census says they were from Munich. Does anyone know about Munich genealogy groups or even professional genealogists? I have not found much on the net. Thanks, Janet in Texas

Hi, Looking at the 1880 census and his wife is named Maggie which is not,as far as I can discern, a German name but rather Irish I would say he was not married when he arrived in the US. Also, if you look at the names before and after his address they are either Norwegian or Irish. Perhaps looking at some of his wife's church certificates would give you a clue, b. d. m. etc. Others will give you a breakdown on the name in Germany and perhaps a clue as to where he was from. John

I am trying to find what area in Germany to search for my ancestors from Landstuhl, Germany in the 1800's. I could not find it on the http://bavariafaqs.homestead.com/index.html. Would someone be able to help me. I am also new in searching in Germany. Thank you. Rose -

I recommend that you, and any newbie to Bavarian genealogy, browse the BavariaFAQs at http://bavariafaqs.homestead.com/index.html Norm ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:49 AM Subject: [BAVARIA] Charles Zahnow 1856 I am a total newbie to research in Germany, so I do not know what is available. My search is for Charles Zahnow, born in 1856. The only information I have so far is from several census listings that he was born in Bavaria. He emigrated from Germany to the US in 1870. I guess, at this point, I am hoping someone else is searching for a missing family member, since this is not a lot to go on. Nothing ventured - nothing gained. Is there a state listing for births, or was it predominately church records at that time? Any help of clues will be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Dawn-Moree Dugan in Maryland ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html to unsubscribe

I am a total newbie to research in Germany, so I do not know what is available. My search is for Charles Zahnow, born in 1856. The only information I have so far is from several census listings that he was born in Bavaria. He emigrated from Germany to the US in 1870. I guess, at this point, I am hoping someone else is searching for a missing family member, since this is not a lot to go on. Nothing ventured - nothing gained. Is there a state listing for births, or was it predominately church records at that time? Any help of clues will be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Dawn-Moree Dugan in Maryland

Hi If your Relatives were comming to America after 1850 there is a good chance for you to find the names and dates in the LDS chip-list since the schip captains were by international law required to register all passengers so you would have passenger names age wether single or married ,spaus and birthday and birth place also the parents names and place. Good luck Al K.