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Dear Eric, I am happy to hear from you. I think you need to correspond with Ken Wiltz. I have only the family who came first to St.Clair Co, IL. My immigrant was Lorenz Haas who married Catherine Hopfinger. Lorenz Haas came with his parents in 1860. I will get back with you. I am rushing this morning. Best regards, Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Haas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 7:32 PM Subject: Re[2]: [BAVARIA] Bamberg Archives and more > > Friday, July 18, 2003, 2:44:57 PM, you wrote: > > KW> Darlene, > KW> I would like to compare my Illinois Haas family with yours. I have no > KW> Lorenz Haas in my tree of many Haas family members. > > KW> I have Johann Adam Haas b. ca 1700-1720 in Stroetzbach, Unterfranken, > KW> Bavaria m. Susanna Jung > KW> Their son Johann Jacob Haas B. January 02, 1737 same place as father d. > KW> November 04, 1824 > KW> m. Anna Maria Bopp January 24, 1768. > KW> Their son John George Haas b. May 23, 1779 in Dornsteinbach, Bavaria > KW> (Parish of Krombach) and died there May 20, 1855 m. Catherine Parr b. > KW> March 28, 1784 same place as husband and there died June 02, 1855. > > > I'm also researching a Haas family from Unterfranken. My ancestors > were from the Hammelburg area, about 30 miles away from the towns you > mention. > > > In Unterfranken, Bayern: > HAAS, WEIGAND, GRIMM, BRUST, LINCK, SITZMANN, STEIN, AUL, HERGOTT > > Elsewhere: > APPEL, BOROWSKI, CERNOHORSKY, DEMBOWCZYK, HAAS, PIETROWIAK, ZARAS > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > to unsubscribe > >

Gail, could the 'O' also be an 'A' maybe? There is a Abenberg southwest of Nuernberg. In the old German handwriting the A almost looks like an O. Under http://www.deutscheschrift.de/ you can click on 'Schrift', the second word in the blue bar up top and get a 'translation' sheet for the German letters. The first line shows the handwriting the middle is latin letters as we use them today and the third is what would have been used to print. Sorry to just to make it even more complecated. Suzie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norm B" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] Ludwig or Zapp - Obenburg Bayern > > His name in Germany would have been either Alois Ludwig or Aloysius > Ludwig and his date of birth was 7 Marz 1825 and he was born in > Obenburg Bavaria. Is that enough to be able to try to locate > something about him in Bavaria? > > > Dear Gail, > > If your information and spelling is correct, the only other thing you > would need is his religion, which I assume was Catholic. > > But how certain are you of the spelling "Obenburg"? I do not find it > in all of Germany. That is critical!!! Could it be Offenberg, 40 > miles east of Regensburg? There are also two Obernburgs and two > Oberburgs in Bavaria. What is your source of the town name? > > Norm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 7:23 PM > Subject: [BAVARIA] Ludwig or Zapp - Obenburg Bayern > > The grave for my GG-Grandfather was in St. John's Cemetery in Middle > Village, Queens, NY. It indicated that he was born in Obenburg, > Bayern on 7 Marz 1825. I have requested a complete record of the site > and I am waiting for this to arrive in the next several weeks but in > the meantime if I have his name, and the place of birth and the date > of birth, > I am new to the searching of relatives in Germany and know that > records were kept in the churches, but knowing his date and year of > birth and the town, does anyone know where to direct me to write, > e-mail or search for records. > > His wife was Barbara Zapp and I do not know as yet if he was married > prior to or after his arrival in the US...but I am working on that one > :) > > Many thanks in advance, > Gail Jorgensen > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > to unsubscribe > >

In a message dated 7/18/2003 6:54:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > I am trying to find out what this town might be called today, and where I > might be able to find information on the churches of the town. Hello Pauline: The town still has the same name today, and is located northeast of Bad Mergentheim in Baden-Wuerttemberg. You can find it at maps.expedia.com or other online map service. LDS has filmed the evangelical church books, 1556-1876. If you go to google and enter "Schaftersheim Kirchen" (umlaut over the "a") there are several sites mentioning the churches, but all are in German. You might want to post a message to the Baden-Wuerttemberg list for assistance with your family. Good luck with your search. Paul C. Miller

> His name in Germany would have been either Alois Ludwig or Aloysius Ludwig and his date of birth was 7 Marz 1825 and he was born in Obenburg Bavaria. Is that enough to be able to try to locate something about him in Bavaria? Dear Gail, If your information and spelling is correct, the only other thing you would need is his religion, which I assume was Catholic. But how certain are you of the spelling "Obenburg"? I do not find it in all of Germany. That is critical!!! Could it be Offenberg, 40 miles east of Regensburg? There are also two Obernburgs and two Oberburgs in Bavaria. What is your source of the town name? Norm ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 7:23 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] Ludwig or Zapp - Obenburg Bayern The grave for my GG-Grandfather was in St. John's Cemetery in Middle Village, Queens, NY. It indicated that he was born in Obenburg, Bayern on 7 Marz 1825. I have requested a complete record of the site and I am waiting for this to arrive in the next several weeks but in the meantime if I have his name, and the place of birth and the date of birth, I am new to the searching of relatives in Germany and know that records were kept in the churches, but knowing his date and year of birth and the town, does anyone know where to direct me to write, e-mail or search for records. His wife was Barbara Zapp and I do not know as yet if he was married prior to or after his arrival in the US...but I am working on that one :) Many thanks in advance, Gail Jorgensen

Gail, Have you tried the Morman's site; especially the International Genealogical Index (IG) on the left side of the screen under search: http://www.familysearch.org/. If you have tried it, it's a must. I have found numerous ancestors from the early 1800's and you can rent the microfilm from one of their Family History Centers. Hope this helps. If you need more help, let me know. Rose -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 7:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BAVARIA] Ludwig or Zapp - Obenburg Bayern Hello all I am away from home at my parents home in NY and do not have all my bookamrks with me...only e-mail access and thus this post for help needed... We went to my Mother's great-grandparents grave today and I was able to gather bunches of previously unknown to me information. The grave for my GG-Grandfather was in St. John's Cemetery in Middle Village, Queens, NY. The tombstone was written in German and I have had what I need translated. It indicated that he was born in Obenburg, Bayern on 7 Marz 1825. I have requested a complete record of the site and I am waiting for this to arrive in the next several weeks but in the meantime if I have his name, and the place of birth and the date of birth, is that enough to be able to try to locate something about him in Bavaria? I am new to the searching of relatives in Germany and know that records were kept in the churches, but knowing his date and year of birth and the town, does anyone know where to direct me to write, e-mail or search for records. His name in Germany would have been either Alois Ludwig or Aloysius Ludwig and his date of birth was 7 Marz 1825 and he was born in Obenburg Bavaria. His wife was Barbara Zapp and I do not know as yet if he was married prior to or after his arrival in the US...but I am working on that one :) Many thanks in advance, Gail Jorgensen ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html to unsubscribe

Hello all I am away from home at my parents home in NY and do not have all my bookamrks with me...only e-mail access and thus this post for help needed... We went to my Mother's great-grandparents grave today and I was able to gather bunches of previously unknown to me information. The grave for my GG-Grandfather was in St. John's Cemetery in Middle Village, Queens, NY. The tombstone was written in German and I have had what I need translated. It indicated that he was born in Obenburg, Bayern on 7 Marz 1825. I have requested a complete record of the site and I am waiting for this to arrive in the next several weeks but in the meantime if I have his name, and the place of birth and the date of birth, is that enough to be able to try to locate something about him in Bavaria? I am new to the searching of relatives in Germany and know that records were kept in the churches, but knowing his date and year of birth and the town, does anyone know where to direct me to write, e-mail or search for records. His name in Germany would have been either Alois Ludwig or Aloysius Ludwig and his date of birth was 7 Marz 1825 and he was born in Obenburg Bavaria. His wife was Barbara Zapp and I do not know as yet if he was married prior to or after his arrival in the US...but I am working on that one :) Many thanks in advance, Gail Jorgensen

Friday, July 18, 2003, 2:44:57 PM, you wrote: KW> Darlene, KW> I would like to compare my Illinois Haas family with yours. I have no KW> Lorenz Haas in my tree of many Haas family members. KW> I have Johann Adam Haas b. ca 1700-1720 in Stroetzbach, Unterfranken, KW> Bavaria m. Susanna Jung KW> Their son Johann Jacob Haas B. January 02, 1737 same place as father d. KW> November 04, 1824 KW> m. Anna Maria Bopp January 24, 1768. KW> Their son John George Haas b. May 23, 1779 in Dornsteinbach, Bavaria KW> (Parish of Krombach) and died there May 20, 1855 m. Catherine Parr b. KW> March 28, 1784 same place as husband and there died June 02, 1855. I'm also researching a Haas family from Unterfranken. My ancestors were from the Hammelburg area, about 30 miles away from the towns you mention. In Unterfranken, Bayern: HAAS, WEIGAND, GRIMM, BRUST, LINCK, SITZMANN, STEIN, AUL, HERGOTT Elsewhere: APPEL, BOROWSKI, CERNOHORSKY, DEMBOWCZYK, HAAS, PIETROWIAK, ZARAS

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Hi Eric, I suppose there might be a relationship between families living so close together, but not always. I remember the time my mother and father took me to a city 50 miles away from where we lived to meet some other WILTZes. We found out that they could go back to the 1600's and no connection. Years after of course I found out our old world surname had been WILZ, not WILTZ at all. The "T" was added after a couple or more decades of living in the new world. I have as I said a long line of HAAS family members, but I just checked and I have only one WEIGAND. He is Daniel S. WEIGAND born November 27, 1902 and died January 12, 1980 in Red Bank, Monmouth County, NJ. I do not know where he was born. As far as I know he is not related to HAAS. Good hunting, Ken Wiltz in CA [email protected]

Dear Ken, Unfortunately, no, none of your Haas family seems to connect with mine. Mine stayed mostly in the St.Clair Co. and surrounding counties and one went to the Hamilton Co. area. One other went to New Ulm, MN. I can't find Stroetzbach and Dornsteinbach, Bavaria on my maps. I have some old maps, unindexed and one present day map. Can you point them out to me by telling me what larger city they are near? Hohenmirsberg is north of Pottenstein which is north of Pegnitz. They are northeast of Nurenberg. Thanks for trying to connect. Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Wiltz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] Bamberg Archives and more > Darlene, > I would like to compare my Illinois Haas family with yours. I have no > Lorenz Haas in my tree of many Haas family members. > > I have Johann Adam Haas b. ca 1700-1720 in Stroetzbach, Unterfranken, > Bavaria m. Susanna Jung > Their son Johann Jacob Haas B. January 02, 1737 same place as father d. > November 04, 1824 > m. Anna Maria Bopp January 24, 1768. > Their son John George Haas b. May 23, 1779 in Dornsteinbach, Bavaria > (Parish of Krombach) and died there May 20, 1855 m. Catherine Parr b. > March 28, 1784 same place as husband and there died June 02, 1855. > > It was their son who came to Illinois: Johannes Haas b. Sept 12, 1811 > same place as parents, but died in Peoria, Peoria County, IL on July 06, > 1856 m. Anna Maria Rosenberger on October 15, 1860 in St. Mary's Church > at Black Partridge, (later Lourdes), Worth Township, Woodford County, IL. > She was b. January 01, 1817 in Schneppenbach, Unterfranken, Kingdom of > Bavaria and died July 04, 1850 in Worth Township, Woodford County, IL. > they had nine children and the descendants report goes on for 5 pages in > very small font. > > Mary Haas b. August 13, 1866 in Woodford County, IL married Michael Wilz > on September 12, 1888 in Peoria, Peoria County, IL. Michael was born > August 10, 1858 in Germantown, Worth Township, Woodford County, IL. He > was a 1st cousin twice removed of mine. The family added the "t" to our > surname later. > > Does any of this connect with your Haas family? > Ken Wiltz in CA > [email protected] > > > > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Sister or Brother, > Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html#personal >

Darlene, I thought probably no connection, but then no tries no gain. The county of Aschaffenburg is in the north west area of Bavaria, east of Frankfurt on the Main. It was Unterfranken, Lower Franconia in English and probably still is, but old county was Alzenau. They are all small villages, some have been annexed by largest around and called cities. My Wilz people came from Michelbach, which since 1975 has been part of the city of Alzenau, which now contains besides Michelbach, Wasserlos, Horstein, Kalberau and Albstadt. This is quite a distance from Nuremberg, however so likely no connection unless one goes a long way back. Good hunting to you. Ken Wiltz in CA

Darlene, I would like to compare my Illinois Haas family with yours. I have no Lorenz Haas in my tree of many Haas family members. I have Johann Adam Haas b. ca 1700-1720 in Stroetzbach, Unterfranken, Bavaria m. Susanna Jung Their son Johann Jacob Haas B. January 02, 1737 same place as father d. November 04, 1824 m. Anna Maria Bopp January 24, 1768. Their son John George Haas b. May 23, 1779 in Dornsteinbach, Bavaria (Parish of Krombach) and died there May 20, 1855 m. Catherine Parr b. March 28, 1784 same place as husband and there died June 02, 1855. It was their son who came to Illinois: Johannes Haas b. Sept 12, 1811 same place as parents, but died in Peoria, Peoria County, IL on July 06, 1856 m. Anna Maria Rosenberger on October 15, 1860 in St. Mary's Church at Black Partridge, (later Lourdes), Worth Township, Woodford County, IL. She was b. January 01, 1817 in Schneppenbach, Unterfranken, Kingdom of Bavaria and died July 04, 1850 in Worth Township, Woodford County, IL. they had nine children and the descendants report goes on for 5 pages in very small font. Mary Haas b. August 13, 1866 in Woodford County, IL married Michael Wilz on September 12, 1888 in Peoria, Peoria County, IL. Michael was born August 10, 1858 in Germantown, Worth Township, Woodford County, IL. He was a 1st cousin twice removed of mine. The family added the "t" to our surname later. Does any of this connect with your Haas family? Ken Wiltz in CA [email protected]

Hello, I placed Hohenmirsberg Germany into Google and found this genealogy site: http://solo18.abac.com/garylhaas/hbv01/h15.pdf And you will find Hohenmirsberg under Pottenstein. Here is some info about the whole area. In english. http://www.pottenstein.de/english/englisch.htm Mary Ann > Dear List Members, > I am new to the list and would like to know if I am in the proper area for > finding someone knowledgeable about the Bamberg Archives which hold > records for the Catholic church in Hohenmirsberg. > > My great grandfather is Lorenz Haas and I have much information on the > Haas families of IL, USA. I don't know if any of this family remained in > Germany. > > If anyone is familiar with the Hohenmirsberg area, I would love a little > description. Anything would help and make me happy! Auf wiedersehen. > Darlene > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > to unsubscribe >

Dear Darlene, I have ancestors from the Ahorntal region in the valley below Hohenmirsberg, have visited briefly the Catholic church in Hohenmirsberg, have connections to the Haas family who emigrated to Illinois from nearby Poppendorf/Adlitz with my great-grandmother Cordula Schmidt, and have visited the Bamberg Church Archive. I have a Lorenz Haas born in 1843 (in Mascoutah?) in my data bank. Is he yours? I would like very much to trade stories and information with you. Please contact me privately at [email protected] . Norm B. ----- Original Message ----- From: Darlene Burzynski To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 6:42 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] Bamberg Archives and more Dear List Members, I am new to the list and would like to know if I am in the proper area for finding someone knowledgeable about the Bamberg Archives which hold records for the Catholic church in Hohenmirsberg. My great grandfather is Lorenz Haas and I have much information on the Haas families of IL, USA. I don't know if any of this family remained in Germany. If anyone is familiar with the Hohenmirsberg area, I would love a little description. Anything would help and make me happy! Auf wiedersehen. Darlene ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html to unsubscribe

Dear List Members, I am new to the list and would like to know if I am in the proper area for finding someone knowledgeable about the Bamberg Archives which hold records for the Catholic church in Hohenmirsberg. My great grandfather is Lorenz Haas and I have much information on the Haas families of IL, USA. I don't know if any of this family remained in Germany. If anyone is familiar with the Hohenmirsberg area, I would love a little description. Anything would help and make me happy! Auf wiedersehen. Darlene

Dorothy, Listed at the bottom are three Ambergs, two in Bavaria and one in Nordrhein-Westfalen. For the one in Oberpfalz, Bavaria, inquire at the Diocesan Archive in Regensburg at: Bischöfliches Zentralarchiv St.Petersweg 11-13 D-93047 Regensburg Germany For the one in Schwaben, Bavaria, inquire at the Diocesan Archive in Augsburg at: Archiv des Bistums Augsburg Hafnerberg 2/II D-86152 Augsburg Germany Norm Amberg (Oberpf) County : | | +---- Amberg {AM} (kreisfrei/independent) RegBez : | +------- Oberpfalz Land : +--------- Bayern ZIP : 92224 Popul : 42660 Locat : 49d27m N 11d51m E Amberg (b Buchloe) County : | | +---- Unterallgäu (Mindelheim) {MN} RegBez : | +------- Schwaben Land : +--------- Bayern ZIP : 86854 Popul : 1076 Locat : 48d04m N 10d41m E Am Berg Part of: Moers County : | | +---- Wesel {WES} RegBez : | +------- Düsseldorf Land : +--------- Nordrhein-Westfalen ZIP : 47447 Locat : (Moers) 51d27m N 6d38m E ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 6:30 AM Subject: [BAVARIA] Amberg Catholic Church Records Does anyone know where I can write to obtain a Baptism record for my great-grandfather, Josef Nager? Dorothy Pearce

In a message dated 7/16/2003 7:31:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Does anyone know where I can write to obtain a Baptism record for my > great-grandfather, Josef Nager? > Hello Dorothy: There is more than one town in Bavaria with the name of Amberg. I assume the Amberg LDS films are not what you are looking for. Many of the Bavarian church records have been moved to the various diocesan archives, and, absent LDS films, you will have to rely on research services from the diocesan archives, or a private researcher, to obtain information. You will first have to determine in which Amberg your great-grandfather lived so that the correct records can be accessed and researched. Do you have any other information that might help identify the correct town? Paul C. Miller

Does anyone know where I can write to obtain a Baptism record for my great-grandfather, Josef Nager? Dorothy Pearce

Grein is also a name common in the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg. -------Original Message------- From: Norm B <[email protected]> Sent: 07/15/03 05:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] GREIN, HUMM, KOBER > > Russ, So, you don't know if he was from Bavaria? Try the online German phonebook at http://www.dastelefonbuch.de/ to see where in Germany most of the GREINs live today. Then contact the appropriate list for more help. Norm ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell W. Coover To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 2:43 PM Subject: [BAVARIA] GREIN, HUMM, KOBER Looking for information on the family of Moritz GREIN, who lived in the late 18th Century and early 19th Century. His birthplace and home in Germany is unknown. His son, also Moritz GREIN, immigrated to Kansas City, MO. about 1851, married Barbara HUMM, also a German immigrant to the USA. Russ Coover (KOBER) ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Sister or Brother, Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html#personal >