In my list there are Dirnberger. See it on www.emigration-research.de.vu Sincerely, Reinhard Hofer Kyle Lamers schrieb: > Seeking European origin of the family of Adam and Susanna Sailer (?) > Dirnberger, both born c 1795 and arriving in the US at New Orleans in winter > 1844-45. Granddaughters of the couple had reported that the Catholic family > originally came from Munich. They settled in Scott County, MO. > > Duane Lamers [email protected] > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html > to unsubscribe >

Seeking European origin of the family of Adam and Susanna Sailer (?) Dirnberger, both born c 1795 and arriving in the US at New Orleans in winter 1844-45. Granddaughters of the couple had reported that the Catholic family originally came from Munich. They settled in Scott County, MO. Duane Lamers [email protected] --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software

OK, Gail, thanks! I will keep yours too! Noreen

Would like to connect with any researcher who may be studying the families of FISCHER and of URMAN. Mathilda FISCHER was born March 13, 1855 in Grafanau to Joseph and Katherine (URMAN) Fischer. This couple had atleast one more son, name unknown that immigrated to the USA around 1880 and ended up in St. Paul. Would love to find out who he is and if there are any other children. Joseph Fischer was a foreman for a carpentery crew in the area and he ended up passing away in the early 1880's. The widow Katherine and daughter Mathilda came to the USA in 1882. Unfortunately I have not been able to find them on any passenger lists. Anyway, they to came to MN, the St. Paul area to live with the brother who had immigrated here several years before. According to an interview with Mrs. Mathilda Fischer Friedl in 1938, she stated that Joseph and Katherine where born and married in the area. However, no dates or localities were given. I would assume the couple married in the late 1840's to early 1850's. Would love to find a copy of the marriage certificate. Any help or suggestion as to where to search would be most appreciated. Thanks, Paula

Was Ludwig really the last name? I thought that was a first name? Marsha Baney [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Gail E. Jorgensen Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 10:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BAVARIA] Alois LUDWIG and Barbara ZAPP I am writing to several list so excuse the cross posting if it affects you. I have very little on these folks so I just wanted to see if anyone else had them in their tree. Alois Ludwig b. 7 March 1825 Obenburg, Bavaria, Germany wife Barbara Zapp b. 26 May 1827 Bavaria Germany I think they married in Germany prior to coming to America. They settled in the NYC area. Their first child (that I know of right now) was born in NYC in about 1850/51. Ring any bells? if so, e-mail me for more info. Gail Jørgensen (the Jørgensen courtesy of my husband) California, USA ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html to unsubscribe

Yes it was really their last name. Gail -----Original Message----- From: MARSHA K BANEY [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 7:59 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] Alois LUDWIG and Barbara ZAPP Was Ludwig really the last name? I thought that was a first name? Marsha Baney [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Gail E. Jorgensen Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 10:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BAVARIA] Alois LUDWIG and Barbara ZAPP I am writing to several list so excuse the cross posting if it affects you. I have very little on these folks so I just wanted to see if anyone else had them in their tree. Alois Ludwig b. 7 March 1825 Obenburg, Bavaria, Germany wife Barbara Zapp b. 26 May 1827 Bavaria Germany I think they married in Germany prior to coming to America. They settled in the NYC area. Their first child (that I know of right now) was born in NYC in about 1850/51. Ring any bells? if so, e-mail me for more info. Gail Jørgensen (the Jørgensen courtesy of my husband) California, USA ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html to unsubscribe ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html to unsubscribe

Noreen Right now none of those seem to fit BUT, I will keep the info in my files...you never know :) Gail -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 6:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] Hartmann/Hartman/Thiele/Kiernan, NY To Gail Jorgensen: Hello. I am a greatX3 granddaughter of Margaret HARTMAN(N)of Bavaria. She m. William Theodore and they came to US sometime @1854. Three other Theodore siblings came along with them, along with the patriarch. They were in Staten Island for at least a little while as that is where first daugher born in July 1854. They relocated to Lordville, Hancock, Delaware County,NY and siblings were in nearby Fremont Center, Sullivan County,NY by late 1850's. Margaret was born @1826 in Germany and died in Lordville (we think) in 1888. They are buried in ST. Lawrence cemetery in Gt. Bend, PA. We believe Margaret had two sisters, Genevieve and Madeline who both reportedly came to US. We can locate Madeline who married a Hirsch in Sullivan County in 1855, but we have never located Genevieve. We have no parent info on Margaret, but Bavaria has been listed as her birthplace. Does any of this connect to your Hartmann? Noreen (Alexander) Manzella ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html to unsubscribe

Janice Sorry for this delayed thanks....I appreciate your input. Gail -----Original Message----- From: Janice Danielson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 2:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BAVARIA] SCHINNERER in Bavaria?? Yes, there is a whole huge set of books called Germans To America, but there are only 2 CD's, 1850 to 1888. Too bad your ancestors came before the dates on the CD's. That's the way it always seems to work---either before or after what we are seeing in books or CD's!! You can check at your local library to see if there is a library in your area that has the set of books---then you could write to them and ask them to do a look-up. Or there is a place on here called something like "books we own" that does look-ups. Check the site for rootsweb to see where that site is if you are interested in using it. Or maybe someone can give you that address. Good luck!! Janice Danielson Sorry to burst your bubble, but the 1st CD only covers 1850--1874. It doesn't go back to 1840=49. Sorry!! Janice Someone wrote on one of the lists I belong to that there was either a CD or maybe a book with information before the CD #355. Ann ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation? Longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/BAVARIA.html to unsubscribe

I have a photo of a tombstone with some names in old German. is there anyone to whom I could e-mail the picture so that they could help me with the correct spelling? The family is from Bavaria originally. Gail Jørgensen (the Jørgensen courtesy of my husband) California, USA

I am writing to several list so excuse the cross posting if it affects you. I have very little on these folks so I just wanted to see if anyone else had them in their tree. Alois Ludwig b. 7 March 1825 Obenburg, Bavaria, Germany wife Barbara Zapp b. 26 May 1827 Bavaria Germany I think they married in Germany prior to coming to America. They settled in the NYC area. Their first child (that I know of right now) was born in NYC in about 1850/51. Ring any bells? if so, e-mail me for more info. Gail Jørgensen (the Jørgensen courtesy of my husband) California, USA

to Noreen (Alexander) Manzella, I have in my home page list several Hartmann emigrants. Hartmann is quite frequent and I have got more f them in my data base, not yet updated on the emigrant list. For the year of 1854 there are 1o Hartmann emigrants from different villages. Two of them I think are your Genevieve and Madeline: German spelling is Genoveva und Magdalena Hartmann, 1854. I can give you the name of their home town. Sincerely, Reinhard Hofer list of emigrants from Bavaria of 1824 - 1914 with ca. 6500 names. see my list at www.emigration-research.de.vu

To Gail Jorgensen: Hello. I am a greatX3 granddaughter of Margaret HARTMAN(N)of Bavaria. She m. William Theodore and they came to US sometime @1854. Three other Theodore siblings came along with them, along with the patriarch. They were in Staten Island for at least a little while as that is where first daugher born in July 1854. They relocated to Lordville, Hancock, Delaware County,NY and siblings were in nearby Fremont Center, Sullivan County,NY by late 1850's. Margaret was born @1826 in Germany and died in Lordville (we think) in 1888. They are buried in ST. Lawrence cemetery in Gt. Bend, PA. We believe Margaret had two sisters, Genevieve and Madeline who both reportedly came to US. We can locate Madeline who married a Hirsch in Sullivan County in 1855, but we have never located Genevieve. We have no parent info on Margaret, but Bavaria has been listed as her birthplace. Does any of this connect to your Hartmann? Noreen (Alexander) Manzella

Is there anyone who has any of these names in their trees? Michael Hartmann, b. 20 Aug 1837 Germany d. 29 May 1911, NY (Probably in the NYC area) buried in The Lutheran Cemetery in Middle Village, NY His wife Mary C. Hartmann, maiden name unknown, b. 13 Jul 1840 NY, d. 20 Feb 1886, NY (Probably in the NYC area) buried in The Lutheran Cemetery in Middle Village, NY Son Michael Joseph Hartman or Hartmann, b. 1875/1876 d. 27 Nov 1939, in either NY or NJ and buried probably in NJ First wife Susan Kiernan, probably of NY, second wife UNK. Michael and Susan's 2 sons Joseph M. Hartman b. b. 17 Jun 1896, NY, d. 24 Jun 1975, NY, buried in LI National cemetery, NY Charles HARTMAN b. 1898 d. 27 Jan 1951, NJ? buried in Hackensack Cemetery, NJ? Lastly John Hartman or Hartmann, probably relative to Michael (at top of this e-mail b. 1837) John was b. 24 Aug 1832, Germany Bavaria, d. 23 Dec 1889 NY (Probably in the NYC area) buried in The Lutheran Cemetery in Middle Village, NY His wife Kath. Thiele (maiden)Hartman b. 23 Oct 1834 Germany Bavaria, d. 12 Oct 1918 NY (Probably in the NYC area) buried in The Lutheran Cemetery in Middle Village, NY Their household in 1880 John HARTMAN Self M Male W 48 BAVARIA Truck Driver BAVARIA BAVARIA Kate HARTMAN Wife M Female W 45 BAVARIA Keeping House BAVARIA BAVARIA Tilly HARTMAN Dau S Female W 23 NY Jewelry Polisher BAVARIA BAVARIA Gertrude HARTMAN Dau S Female W 21 NY Jewelry Polisher BAVARIA BAVARIA Mary HARTMAN Dau S Female W 15 NY Hair Chains BAVARIA BAVARIA John HARTMAN Son S Male W 13 NY At School BAVARIA BAVARIA Frank HARTMAN Son S Male W 11 NY At School BAVARIA BAVARIA William THIELE Other S Male W 24 NY Watch Maker BAVARIA BAVARIA Emma WUDERMAN Other S Female W 24 IN Jewelry Polisher BAVARIA BAVARIA Gail Jørgensen (the Jørgensen courtesy of my husband) California, USA

Hello, The other castle is Hohenschwangau. Here is its url: http://www.germanworld.com/hohen.htm Enjoy! Mary Ann > Hello T.G., > > There is a second castle built near the lake of swans very near to > Ludwig's Neuschwanstein castle. There is a connection between the > two. The first one, whose name I can't remember right now, was > built by King Ludwig's father. It is closest to the nearest > village of Swangau. I have been there, been through both castles, > and visited the city hall in Schwangau because my maiden name is > SWANGO (Schwangau--Apparently there were no Schwangau families in > the town of Schwangau that anyone could ever remember, and nothing > on file!) We stayed in a great hotel right across from the castle > which Ludiwg's father built, could gaze at it from our hotel > window. We spent Christmas Eve there, watching the huge > snowflakes drift across the window of the hotel dining area (they > had a special German Christmas Eve dinner in the main area of the > hotel), with the castle in the background. The year we were there > Bavaria had the biggest snow in decades, trees and telephone lines > were b! > reaking form the weight of the snow. Everything looked like pictures from > a fairytale book. The lake right next to the hotel, right below the first > castle, was filled with swans. Ludwig's castle is higher up in the > mountains, but visible from the hotel. One would hope that the village of > Schwangau and most certainly those in trust of the castle (the government) > would have some kind of info on the staff at both castles. I bought a > book on Ludwig when I was there; he's a fascinating figure. I recall a > connection with Wagner--was it that he was very charmed by Wagner's music > and it influenced him in some way? Were the Wagner's you're researching > related at all to the musician? That would be interesting. > > There's probably some info on the Internet about whomever is > maintaining the castle now. There is also a major Bavarian Museum in > Munich. I talked with someone there about tracing my great > grandfather, who supposedly was a wallpaper designer in > Munich--thought maybe they would have some info on guild records. The > museum people were very helpful at that time. > > June Gibb > > > ==== BAVARIA Mailing List ==== > Sister or Brother, > Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html#personal > Mary Ann Allen Fat Cat Collectibles http://fatcatcollectibles.com/

Hello T.G., There is a second castle built near the lake of swans very near to Ludwig's Neuschwanstein castle. There is a connection between the two. The first one, whose name I can't remember right now, was built by King Ludwig's father. It is closest to the nearest village of Swangau. I have been there, been through both castles, and visited the city hall in Schwangau because my maiden name is SWANGO (Schwangau--Apparently there were no Schwangau families in the town of Schwangau that anyone could ever remember, and nothing on file!) We stayed in a great hotel right across from the castle which Ludiwg's father built, could gaze at it from our hotel window. We spent Christmas Eve there, watching the huge snowflakes drift across the window of the hotel dining area (they had a special German Christmas Eve dinner in the main area of the hotel), with the castle in the background. The year we were there Bavaria had the biggest snow in decades, trees and telephone lines were b! reaking form the weight of the snow. Everything looked like pictures from a fairytale book. The lake right next to the hotel, right below the first castle, was filled with swans. Ludwig's castle is higher up in the mountains, but visible from the hotel. One would hope that the village of Schwangau and most certainly those in trust of the castle (the government) would have some kind of info on the staff at both castles. I bought a book on Ludwig when I was there; he's a fascinating figure. I recall a connection with Wagner--was it that he was very charmed by Wagner's music and it influenced him in some way? Were the Wagner's you're researching related at all to the musician? That would be interesting. There's probably some info on the Internet about whomever is maintaining the castle now. There is also a major Bavarian Museum in Munich. I talked with someone there about tracing my great grandfather, who supposedly was a wallpaper designer in Munich--thought maybe they would have some info on guild records. The museum people were very helpful at that time. June Gibb

Hello Fellow listers, You may read this message twice. sorry I am wondering about Rheinland Preussen. Was it ever a part of Bavaria that became Rheilnd Pfalz? Thank you Ruth Curtis

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Grüss Gott; Ich suche Johann Gehringer geboren 26/Apr./1827 Bavaria. Er heiratete Margareth Margaret Wohlleben(Bavaria) um 1850. Ich weiss nicht wo! Sie ist meine Ur Gross Mutter. Sie hätten fünf Kindern, alle waren in Phila. Pa. USA geboren. Georg b 1856, Mary Dorethea b. 6/Mar/1860,(Grossmutter) John b 26/Nov/1862,Anna b 1/Jul/1866, Margaret b. 11/Sept./1872. Kannst jemand mir helfen? MFG, Albert

Gruß dich, Albert. übrigens... ich hätte erwähnt, einge meiner Vorfahren sind aus Bayern gekommen - aus dem Bayrischen Pfalz, ein Teil der heutzutage Saarland genannt wird. Bill in Denver Colorado.

Gruss dich, Albert: Bin Amerikaner und kann nur ein bisschen Deutsch, aber werde versuchen, dir ein bisschen u helfen. Diese Familie ist in Philadelphia in der 1880 Bevölkerungszahlung zu finden. Hier ist eine Link dazu: <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org./Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp">FamilySearch Internet - Search</A> Falls diese Link nicht klappt, probiere mal das Folgende www.familysearch.org. dann auf "Search" clicken dann auf 1880 U S Census clicken dann den Familiennamen eingeben unter Staat, "Pennsylvania" wählen/anclicken unter "Township, den Name "Philadelphia eingeben" dann an "Search" (Suche) anclicken Eine Liste mit 44 Personen wird erscheinen. Deine Familie ist dort zu finden. Nr. 10 bis Nr. 16 auf der Liste. Johann, geboren in "Bavaria" 1827, seine Frau 1829, und die Kinder sind alle in PA (die abkurzung von Pennsylvania) geboren, wie du bemerkt hast. Wenn man an den unterstrichenen Namen anklickt, findet er weitere Informationen wie den Beruf, zum Beispiel. Jetzt ist es auch möglich dass man ans Zensusblatt angucken darf. Man muss aber Mitglied bei Ancestry.com sein, glaube ich. Wenn du dich dafur interessierst, kann ich vielleicht das Image kopieren und weiterschicken. Viel Spaß und viel Glück beim Forschen. Bill in Denver, Colorado.