This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1gC.2ACEB/461.2.1 Message Board Post: These are two different families - see children. Also Johann Christian Bachmann who arrived in 1753 on the snow Good Hope probably had his wife Dorothea and the first two sons with him, but the record shows only his name and his signature. Wives and children apparently were not listed.